The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?

[rylah]

What it means is that nobody forces Israeli Arabs into IDF service, although many volunteer.
Army service is mandatory, but one can choose a civil service instead, Israeli Arabs and Jews do both.
Where does it say they're barred?

Q. Can a Jew become a member of parliament in Hamas or PA?

They can.

A Jew-free Gaza'istan would make a Jew in an islamic terrorist "parliament" unlikely.

Your alternate reality is quite a magical place.

There are no religious restrictions on running for office.

I don't know the immigration policies in Palestine. Perhaps you could enlighten us.

I can enlighten you on the travel restrictions. No Israeli Jew can visit Jew-free Bethlehem (where King David was born), Nablus (where Joseph's Tomb is located, except for once-a-month middle-of-the-night excursions), or Jericho (where an ancient synagogue was destroyed). The Tomb of Rachel now has an ugly fortress around it (it was attacked for 41 days in the last intifada, while Joseph's Tomb was completely destroyed).

Israelis are not welcome because they bring Israel with them.

Jews visit Palestine all of the time.

The PA demand a Jew free state, Hamas already has got one.
There's Jordan.

Arabs can explode in rage, but this tiny Jewish reservation will stay, they have whole countries ruled exclusively by their tribes in the Gulf, and practically the whole middle east.
Enough is enough.

 

[rylah]

What it means is that nobody forces Israeli Arabs into IDF service, although many volunteer.
Army service is mandatory, but one can choose a civil service instead, Israeli Arabs and Jews do both.
Where does it say they're barred?

Q. Can a Jew become a member of parliament in Hamas or PA?

They can.

A Jew-free Gaza'istan would make a Jew in an islamic terrorist "parliament" unlikely.

Your alternate reality is quite a magical place.

There are no religious restrictions on running for office.

I don't know the immigration policies in Palestine. Perhaps you could enlighten us.

I can enlighten you on the travel restrictions. No Israeli Jew can visit Jew-free Bethlehem (where King David was born), Nablus (where Joseph's Tomb is located, except for once-a-month middle-of-the-night excursions), or Jericho (where an ancient synagogue was destroyed). The Tomb of Rachel now has an ugly fortress around it (it was attacked for 41 days in the last intifada, while Joseph's Tomb was completely destroyed).

Israelis are not welcome because they bring Israel with them.

Jews visit Palestine all of the time.

But You demand the opposite from Israelis..
Which rights do Jews have under PA and Hamas rule that Arabs lack in Israel?

 

[Shusha]

This is law works in almost every nation.
Any Israeli who marries subjects of other countries goes through a long a difficult process of examination. Civil marriage alone is not enough to become a citizen, one has to prove this is not either a fraud or a scam to bring in a population hostile to the society.

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Stop insulting the intelligence of the reader. Jews from all over the world can come to Israel and be automatic citizens. It is only the Palestinian Arabs this law applies to in your discriminating, apartheid society.

Just like dozens of other countries where someone with a grandparent of that ethnicity/nationality can receive citizenship.

Palestinian Arabs can make up whatever citizenship rules they want in their own country. Including giving preference to people with Palestinian grandparents just like those dozens of other countries.

 

[Shusha]

Only foreigners who obtain citizenship can be denaturalized. Born citizens cannot.

That would depend on the citizenship laws of each country and whether citizenship is based on jus soli or jus sanguinis. However, generally a person can no be made stateless by the removal of their sole citizenship if they do not hold or are not eligible for another citizenship.

 

[Billo_Really]

What it means is that nobody forces Israeli Arabs into IDF service, although many volunteer.
Army service is mandatory, but one can choose a civil service instead, Israeli Arabs and Jews do both.
Where does it say they're barred?

Q. Can a Jew become a member of parliament in Hamas or PA?

Well thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Billo_Really]

No it doesn't.
In PA and Gaza dessent means You lose the head and get dragged in the street.

Without a link to confirm, I guess I'll have to take your word for it.

 

[Billo_Really]

Indigenous Palestinians already got their Casino and moved on...about a century forward...
Israel is nothing but a small casino that was left after Arabs got the most from the tiny reservation that was promised to the indigenous people.

Why can't you be nice to Palestinians and treat them with respect?

 

[Billo_Really]

Medics die in every confrontation and war.
Show me one country that doesn't .

The definition of indigenous has nothing to with it neither.

The medic didn't die, she was murdered. And that is a war crime.

 

[Billo_Really]

Just like dozens of other countries where someone with a grandparent of that ethnicity/nationality can receive citizenship.

Palestinian Arabs can make up whatever citizenship rules they want in their own country. Including giving preference to people with Palestinian grandparents just like those dozens of other countries.

We're talking about Arab-Israelis, twisted sister.

 

[rylah]

No it doesn't.
In PA and Gaza dessent means You lose the head and get dragged in the street.

Without a link to confirm, I guess I'll have to take your word for it.

Let's do the opposite, because what You ask is too easy:

I state a fact- "Hamas does public executions of its' citizens".

Let's see You find a link to contradict that.

This is Gaza under Hamas rule:

 

[rylah]

Medics die in every confrontation and war.
Show me one country that doesn't .

The definition of indigenous has nothing to with it neither.

The medic didn't die, she was murdered. And that is a war crime.

So Jews having an ethnic identity is called an apartheid, but demanding a Jew-free Arab state is ok .A medic dying during Hams provocation is a war crime, suicide bombing and open calls to go kill Jews and die together are all dandy.

You can shove Your judgment where the sun doesn't shine.

 

[rylah]

Indigenous Palestinians already got their Casino and moved on...about a century forward...
Israel is nothing but a small casino that was left after Arabs got the most from the tiny reservation that was promised to the indigenous people.

Why can't you be nice to Palestinians and treat them with respect?

It's the PA and Hamas themselves who keep their citizens in camps, not to mention the other Arab states in the neighborhood

What rights do Israeli Arabs lack that Jews are granted either under PA or Hamas?
Show me an example of an Arab country where Jews and Arabs have anywhere the same equality as in Israel. I have asked for that before, You didn't answer.

 

[rylah]

What it means is that nobody forces Israeli Arabs into IDF service, although many volunteer.
Army service is mandatory, but one can choose a civil service instead, Israeli Arabs and Jews do both.
Where does it say they're barred?

Q. Can a Jew become a member of parliament in Hamas or PA?

Well thanks for clearing that up.

Meanwhile:

So, you think it would be necessary to first transfer and remove every Jew—

"Absolutely. No, I’m not saying to transfer every Jew, I’m saying transfer Jews who, after an agreement with Israel, fall under the jurisdiction of a Palestinian state."

Any Jew who is inside the borders of Palestine will have to leave?

"Absolutely. I think this is a very necessary step, before we can allow the two states to somehow develop their separate national identities, and then maybe open up the doors for all kinds of cultural, social, political, economic exchanges, that freedom of movement of both citizens of Israelis and Palestinians from one area to another. You know you have to think of the day after."

MAEN RASHID AREIKAT
The Palestinian ambassador to Washington

Q. Can a Jew become a member of Hamas or PA government?

 

[Billo_Really]

Let's do the opposite, because what You ask is too easy:

I state a fact- "Hamas does public executions of its' citizens".

Let's see You find a link to contradict that.

I'm not arguing it doesn't. I'm just saying Israel conducts far more public executions than Hamas ever will. And that is pretty easy to prove as well.

This is Gaza under Hamas rule:

There are no executions in that picture.

 

[Billo_Really]

So Jews having an ethnic identity is called an apartheid, but demanding a Jew-free Arab state is ok .A medic dying during Hams provocation is a war crime, suicide bombing and open calls to go kill Jews and die together are all dandy.

You can shove Your judgment where the sun doesn't shine.

Treating Palestinians like they are subhuman, is racist. Making laws to back up your racism, is apartheid.

Hamas wasn't provoking anything. That was a grass roots protest from people who are sick of the way you've been treating them for the last 5 decades.

BTW, shooting a medic is a war crime under any conditions. Trying to justify the deliberate killing of someone giving care to the wounded, just shows your lack of humanity.

 

[Billo_Really]

It's the PA and Hamas themselves who keep their citizens in camps, not to mention the other Arab states in the neighborhood

What rights do Israeli Arabs lack that Jews are granted either under PA or Hamas?
Show me an example of an Arab country where Jews and Arabs have anywhere the same equality as in Israel. I have asked for that before, You didn't answer.

Show me an Israeli that takes responsibility for their own actions.

 

[Billo_Really]

Meanwhile:

So, you think it would be necessary to first transfer and remove every Jew—

"Absolutely. No, I’m not saying to transfer every Jew, I’m saying transfer Jews who, after an agreement with Israel, fall under the jurisdiction of a Palestinian state."

Any Jew who is inside the borders of Palestine will have to leave?

"Absolutely. I think this is a very necessary step, before we can allow the two states to somehow develop their separate national identities, and then maybe open up the doors for all kinds of cultural, social, political, economic exchanges, that freedom of movement of both citizens of Israelis and Palestinians from one area to another. You know you have to think of the day after."

MAEN RASHID AREIKAT
The Palestinian ambassador to Washington

Q. Can a Jew become a member of Hamas or PA government?

You are cherry-picking what he said. This is what he stated just before that comment...

When you imagine a future Palestinian state, do you imagine it being a place where Jews, if they wish to become Palestinian citizens, could own property, vote in elections, and practice their religion freely?

I remember in the mid-’90s, the late [PLO official] Faisal Husseini said repeatedly “OK, if Israelis choose to stay in a future Palestinian state, they are more than welcome to do that. But under one condition: They have to respect and obey Palestinian laws, they cannot be living as Israelis. They have to respect Palestinian laws and abide by them.”
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Here's a few other things he said...

We have seen at least, from the Palestinian side, since 1988, a clear acceptance of the existence of the State of Israel.
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Isn't that what you wanted?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?
※→ rylah, et al,

Yes, this question is interesting from a number of aspect angles.

Q. Can a Jew become a member of Hamas or PA government?

(COMMENT)

The dynamic range of this question moves from the actual relationship of today (Muslim Palestinian 'v' Jewish Palestinian) under the current political climate, → the relationship in some future post-Conflict atmosphere under a transitional period (where both sided actually communicate on in a permanent status of negotiations) → and towards a more lasting peace arrangement where each side accomplishes some level of necessary objectives → with the view towards an even more distant future where the vision is regional peace and stability on a more permanent basis.

Now, this sounds like it is totally unrelated to the question (membership in HAMAS or PA); but, it is actually a necessary precursor to the issue. As long as the political umbrella described by PLO Ambassador Maen Rashid Areikat exists, there will be no real movement towards any meaningful objective. What the Ambassador believes is not so radically different than the relocation taken in 1947 - 1948 of Arab Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?
※→ Billo_Really, et al,

OFF TOPIC: I'm not sure that I have ever heard of a public execution in Israel.

... I'm just saying Israel conducts far more public executions than Hamas ever will. And that is pretty easy to prove as well.

(COMMENT)

Executions in the Middle East and Persian Gulf States are not unusual.

v/r R

 

[rylah]

Let's do the opposite, because what You ask is too easy:

I state a fact- "Hamas does public executions of its' citizens".

Let's see You find a link to contradict that.

I'm not arguing it doesn't. I'm just saying Israel conducts far more public executions than Hamas ever will. And that is pretty easy to prove as well.

This is Gaza under Hamas rule:

There are no executions in that picture.

Let me see You prove Israel executes people without proving that Your country, does that even more.

I just wonder, by Your standards Hamas hanging people for mere suspicion of homosexuality is not public execution, shooting them in the public then dragging their bodies on the streets of Gaza neither does the job.But let the same Jihadis go to war against Israel, and all of a sudden every dead Gazan is "executed".

Anyway does that magically turn Arabs into the indigenous people of the land?