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The RW can demonize the OWS all they want to, but when you have people like Cantor and Ryan suddenly talking about income inequality, you know that the message is resonating AND that the corporatists are scared.
The RW can demonize the OWS all they want to, but when you have people like Cantor and Ryan suddenly talking about income inequality, you know that the message is resonating AND that the corporatists are scared.
Interesting....one thread on OWS talks about the message being "income equality" and another OWS thread talks about the message being "corporations not controlling washington"
The RW can demonize the OWS all they want to, but when you have people like Cantor and Ryan suddenly talking about income inequality, you know that the message is resonating AND that the corporatists are scared.
Interesting....one thread on OWS talks about the message being "income equality" and another OWS thread talks about the message being "corporations not controlling washington"
They go hand in hand.
OWS has changed the dialogue to what is should be.
There is a tidal shift occuring in American politics.
The Republicans have run out of bullets. Their bullshit won't fly anymore.
Interesting....one thread on OWS talks about the message being "income equality" and another OWS thread talks about the message being "corporations not controlling washington"
They go hand in hand.
OWS has changed the dialogue to what is should be.
There is a tidal shift occuring in American politics.
The Republicans have run out of bullets. Their bullshit won't fly anymore.
So you're saying the Democrats have hijacked the OWS movement? That makes sense, given the union involvement and other orgs.
Of course now that they are rioting they are losing whatever sympathy they may have enjoyed with average voting Americans.
Interesting....one thread on OWS talks about the message being "income equality" and another OWS thread talks about the message being "corporations not controlling washington"
They go hand in hand.
OWS has changed the dialogue to what is should be.
There is a tidal shift occuring in American politics.
The Republicans have run out of bullets. Their bullshit won't fly anymore.
So you're saying the Democrats have hijacked the OWS movement? That makes sense, given the union involvement and other orgs.
Of course now that they are rioting they are losing whatever sympathy they may have enjoyed with average voting Americans.
Whatever or whoever started it is irrelevant, IMO.
Then your opinion is not only wrong, you are being dishonest with yourself. When a boycott is organized (which is what this was), and the boycott succeeds in changing behavior, to say that the organizers of the boycott had nothing to do with it is absurd.
You wouldn't even make such a claim in any other circumstance.
CAPITALISM and the MARKET were used to make the change. The exact same things OWS is protesting against.
Irony.
"Capitalism and the market" are NOT what Occupy is protesting against. Corruption of government by corporate money, excessive inequality, and the declining middle class are what Occupy is protesting against.
Only a minority of Occupy participants, probably a small minority, are socialists. Most are believers in capitalism, believing that with proper oversight by a non-corrupt government it can work for the people.
There is nothing ironic about this in the least.
The RW can demonize the OWS all they want to, but when you have people like Cantor and Ryan suddenly talking about income inequality, you know that the message is resonating AND that the corporatists are scared.
The RW can demonize the OWS all they want to, but when you have people like Cantor and Ryan suddenly talking about income inequality, you know that the message is resonating AND that the corporatists are scared.
Replace RW with LW and OWS with TEA and income inequality with too much govt spending and welcome to 1.5 years ago
They go hand in hand.
OWS has changed the dialogue to what is should be.
There is a tidal shift occuring in American politics.
The Republicans have run out of bullets. Their bullshit won't fly anymore.
So you're saying the Democrats have hijacked the OWS movement? That makes sense, given the union involvement and other orgs.
Of course now that they are rioting they are losing whatever sympathy they may have enjoyed with average voting Americans.
I know it will be troubling to you, but you have now lost the dialogue and the next election.
Thanks to these brave souls the focus is now where it belongs, on the corrupting influence of big money on American politics.
They go hand in hand.
OWS has changed the dialogue to what is should be.
There is a tidal shift occuring in American politics.
The Republicans have run out of bullets. Their bullshit won't fly anymore.
So you're saying the Democrats have hijacked the OWS movement? That makes sense, given the union involvement and other orgs.
Of course now that they are rioting they are losing whatever sympathy they may have enjoyed with average voting Americans.
I know it will be troubling to you, but you have now lost the dialogue and the next election.
Thanks to these brave souls the focus is now where it belongs, on the corrupting influence of big money on American politics.
So you're saying the Democrats have hijacked the OWS movement? That makes sense, given the union involvement and other orgs.
Of course now that they are rioting they are losing whatever sympathy they may have enjoyed with average voting Americans.
I know it will be troubling to you, but you have now lost the dialogue and the next election.
Thanks to these brave souls the focus is now where it belongs, on the corrupting influence of big money on American politics.
you see, that is where you and I differ...and not to sound insulting but I am one that believes in personal responsibility...I never blame anyone for my actions or the result of my actions.
You however....you seem to blame the corporations for the actions of congress.....why? COngress is to blame for allowing corporate money to dictate their decision making. How can you blame the corporations?
If congress didnt take the money, the corporations have no influence....
So you're saying the Democrats have hijacked the OWS movement? That makes sense, given the union involvement and other orgs.
Of course now that they are rioting they are losing whatever sympathy they may have enjoyed with average voting Americans.
I know it will be troubling to you, but you have now lost the dialogue and the next election.
Thanks to these brave souls the focus is now where it belongs, on the corrupting influence of big money on American politics.
Is it corrupt to give large donations and hope for favors in return...
or...
Is it corrupt to take large donations and give favors in return?
Oh, ok, so their goal was not to improve the lives of the 99% but to deflect from the very real issues to a socialist agenda. And there was me beginning to believe the 'their not puppets for Soros'.
COngress is to blame for allowing corporate money to dictate their decision making. How can you blame the corporations?
If congress didnt take the money, the corporations have no influence....
I know it will be troubling to you, but you have now lost the dialogue and the next election.
Thanks to these brave souls the focus is now where it belongs, on the corrupting influence of big money on American politics.
Is it corrupt to give large donations and hope for favors in return...
or...
Is it corrupt to take large donations and give favors in return?
Yes
COngress is to blame for allowing corporate money to dictate their decision making. How can you blame the corporations?
If congress didnt take the money, the corporations have no influence....
It's an interesting situation. The problem here with assigning blame is that neither "Congress" nor "the corporations" exists as a decision-maker. Individual Congresscritters and individual businesses do. As do the Congresscritters' political opponents.
If you were a Congressman, and you were faced with a reelection challenge next year, you would need to raise a lot of money in order to campaign effectively. If you chose not to take corporate donations, you would put yourself at a severe disadvantage and likely be replaced by your better-funded challenger.
At the same time, if you are a business with the means to maintain lobbying efforts on K Street, and you choose not to out of principle, you will lose out on government largesse accrued by your competitors and/or other industries, and suffer accordingly.
Thus, no individual on either end of the process can properly be "blamed." At the same time, though, blame is something our primitive little mammal brains insist on, so focusing ire on big business is still a useful political tool. Not because it's logical (see above), but simply because we tend to one of two illogical responses, anti-big-business or pro-big-business, as is natural (again, due to our primitive mammal brains) regarding anything with power.
Since the OWS movement has started, the conversation has shifted from the debt and deficit to JOBS and income inequality. Even the unctuous little twerp, Eric Cantor and the Budget Munster, Paul Ryan have been discussing income inequality. That can only be seen as a victory for the OWS movement.
Another victory for OWS comes from Bank of America who have decided NOT to charge people a ridiculous fee for using their debit cards.
Keep the pressure on!!!
BoA changed their minds due to OWES? Link?
Do you honestly believe it wasn't a factor? Really?
Bank of America fee retraction shows effect of consumer rage
So why is there an effort to go after the ones who are not breaking the law nor are they doing anything inappropriate? They are donating money...the reasons they are donating the money is irrelevant.
Why not go after the ones who we are supposed to trust becuase they are our employees yet they are allowing their own greed to dictate their decisioon making?