The Man Who Knew too much

[TheGreenHornet]

Richard Case Nagell - The Man Who Knew Too Much


On September 20, 1963, Richard Case Nagell walked into a bank in El Paso, Texas. He fired two shots into the wall near the ceiling, walked back out to his car, and waited to be arrested. Subsequently, Nagell would claim he was a double (or triple) agent of U.S. and the KGB, that he knew Lee Harvey Oswald and was monitoring the JFK assassination plot which involved Cuban exiles, and that he had been ordered to kill Oswald to prevent the plot from being carried out. He also maintained that he had sent a registered letter to FBI Director Hoover, warning him of the plot.
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Does this man have any credibility?

 

[gtopa1]

Dunno; you have a link? Sounds a bit fanciful ....er...BS actually.

Greg

 

[Meathead]

"Que sera, sera"

 

[TheGreenHornet]

Has no one on this thread ever heard of Richard Case Nagell?

He was a former Army Officer and intelligence operative.

 

[gipper]

Has no one on this thread ever heard of Richard Case Nagell?

He was a former Army Officer and intelligence operative.

Yeah. He was a bit strange. However, the manner of his sudden death immediately after the ARRB contacted him, does make one wonder. There were too many ‘witnesses’ who died suddenly just before spilling.

 

[TheGreenHornet]

When arrested Nagell had 27 cents in his pockets.

The contents of his wallet: A Ca. drivers license, some kind of U.S. Military certificate. There was also a mimeographed news-letter addressed to Richard Case Nagell from the fair play for Cuba Committee.

When he was being led to a waiting FBI car he turned to a police officer and said..."Why don't you check my car and get that machine gun out of there".

There was no machine gun but what they found were two briefcases filled with documents, and a 45-rpm record box which contained a tiny Minolta 16 millimeter camera and a small but complete film development lab. Also taken from the trunk was a dark brown suit jacket bearing the label of a store in Mexico City. Concealed inside the jacket's lining were two tourist cards for entry to Mexico.

On his way to be questioned Nagell only made one statement....."I would rather be arrested than to committ murder and treason".

Many years later....Jim Bundren retired from the police force would look back and say he knew what Nagell was doing was a diversionary tactic.

Bundren said Nagell had a very unusual look...penetrating eyes, a scar down one side of his face. He was sitting next to Nagell when he said....".I really did not want to be in Dallas."Bundren replied what do you mean by that...Nagell replied "Youll see soon enough"

 

[Soupnazi630]

Richard Case Nagell - The Man Who Knew Too Much


On September 20, 1963, Richard Case Nagell walked into a bank in El Paso, Texas. He fired two shots into the wall near the ceiling, walked back out to his car, and waited to be arrested. Subsequently, Nagell would claim he was a double (or triple) agent of U.S. and the KGB, that he knew Lee Harvey Oswald and was monitoring the JFK assassination plot which involved Cuban exiles, and that he had been ordered to kill Oswald to prevent the plot from being carried out. He also maintained that he had sent a registered letter to FBI Director Hoover, warning him of the plot.
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Does this man have any credibility?

He has none

 

[TheGreenHornet]

Nagell claimed that he knew Lee Harvey Oswald and was monitoring the JFK assassination plot which involved Cuban exiles, and that he had been ordered to kill Oswald to prevent the plot from being carried out. He also maintained that he had sent a registered letter to FBI Director Hoover, warning him of the plot.

Nagell was very guarded about what he knew, and some of his correspondence uses humorous pseudonyms for the various persons and organizations.

Who was Richard Case Nagell? A decorated Korean War veteran, Nagell was in a plane crash in 1954 which left him in a coma for weeks. Despite this, he was subsequently granted a Top Secret clearance and served for several years in CounterIntelligence in the Army. Was Nagell's later strange behavior a sign of brain damage or psychological difficulties, or was he "sheep dipped" for a role in undercover work?

The Nagell story is truly one of the weirdest in the JFK assassination literature, and critics of it point to Nagell's many inconsistencies---But some of his knowledge remains unexplained. The FBI inquired of the CIA about seven names found in a notebook in Nagell's possession at the time of his arrest. A review determined that all of them were involved in intelligence, and the CIA wrote back to the FBI asking "how the above names came into the possession of Nagell." The question was never answered.

A perhaps fitting if tragic denouement to the story occurred when the Assassination Records Review Board decided to contact Nagell. The ARRB sent a registered letter on October 31, 1995. One day after the letter was mailed, Nagell was found dead in his apartment, victim of an apparent heart attack.

Richard Case Nagell

Kennedys And King - The Life & Death of Richard Case Nagell

 

[TheGreenHornet]

 

[Soupnazi630]

Still no credibility

 

[sparky]

~S~

 

[TheGreenHornet]

Why would Nagell purposely get himself locked up?

What could have been his motive for that?....other than the one posited


and...................why would they keep him in prison for 5 yrs. for something which he obviously did not do?

 

[Soupnazi630]

Why would Nagell purposely get himself locked up?

What could have been his motive for that....other than the one posited.

Because he was a nut or fool or both

 

[TheGreenHornet]

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[Soupnazi630]

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I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean.

Jim Garrison was a crook who dragged an innocent man to court.

Oliver stone is an ass clown who made a fictional movie.

What evidence do you have of a conspiracy ?

 

[TheGreenHornet]

Almost 50 years after the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, his murder continues to haunt the American psyche and stands as a turning point in our nation's history.

Warren Commission rushed out its report in 1964, but questions continue to linger: Was there a conspiracy? Was there a coup at the highest levels of government?

On March 1, 1967, New Orleans district attorney Jim Garrison shocked the world by arresting local businessman Clay Shaw for conspiracy to murder the president. His alleged co-conspirator, David Ferrie, had been found dead a few days before. Garrison charged that elements of the United States government, in particular the CIA, were behind the crime. From the beginning, his probe was virulently attacked in the media and violently denounced from Washington. His office was infiltrated and sabotaged, and witnesses disappeared and died strangely. Eventually, Shaw was acquitted after the briefest of jury deliberation and the only prosecution ever brought for the murder of President Kennedy was over.

 

[TheGreenHornet]

On the secret life of CIA spymaster James Jesus Angleton – Alternet.org

It was in 1963 that Angleton and the CIA suffered that "epic counterintelligence failure"—Kennedy's assassination. The alleged perpetrator was Lee Harvey Oswald, a former Marine who had defected to the Soviet Union, only to return to the United States less than three years later. Angleton told the Warren Commission, which had been created to investigate the crime, that the CIA had just not paid much attention to the defector. That was an outright lie—probably the most revealing of his career.

As Morley makes clear, Oswald had been of "intense" interest to the agency, and Angleton had control of the growing file on him. The most charitable explanation for Angleton's actions is that he was hoping to catch one of those moles who, he was convinced, had infiltrated the agency. But was his involvement more sinister? Morley raises the possibility that Angleton "manipulated Oswald as part of an assassination plot," but admits we simply don't know. However, "he certainly abetted those who did. Whoever killed JFK, Angleton protected them. He masterminded the JFK conspiracy cover-up."

Preternaturally intelligent, ruthlessly amoral, intensely patriotic, destructively suspicious—what should be our final verdict on Angleton? Here his own words may provide the answer. "The founding fathers of U.S. intelligence were liars," he mused near the end of his life. "The better you lied and the more you betrayed, the more likely you were to be promoted." He called Dulles and a few others "grand masters," adding that "if you were in a room with them, you were in a room full of people that you had to believe would deservedly end up in hell. I guess I will see them there soon."

 

[rightwinger]

Grassy Knoll!

He also planned the controlled demo on 9-11

 

[TheGreenHornet]

Lisa Pease – James Jesus Angleton and The Warren Commission

Lisa Pease – James Jesus Angleton and The Warren Commission – Conspiracy Archive

 

[TheGreenHornet]

'In summary, what Nagell has chosen to reveal about his role in the conspiracy goes like this: Under contract to the CIA, he undertook an assignment as a "double agent" who would cooperate with Soviet intelligence beginning in the autumn of 1962. Under KGB instructions from Mexico City, for a year he monitored discussions among a group of embittered Cuban exiles who were seeking to assassinate Kennedy and make it look as though Fidel Castro's Cuba was behind it. He was simultaneously asked to keep an eye on Lee Harvey Oswald, recently returned to America after his alleged "defection" to the USSR.

Oswald was brought into the conspiracy in July 1963, deceived into thinking he was working for Castro. Soviet intelligence ordered Nagell either to convince Oswald he was being set up to take the rap--or to kill him in Mexico City before the assassination could transpire. While both U S and Soviet intelligence agencies were aware of the conspiracy, it was the KGB--not the CIA or FBI--that attempted to prevent it. The Soviets, who had reached a growing accommodation with Kennedy after the 1962 Cuban missile crisis, were also afraid that the assassination would falsely be blamed upon them or the Cubans.

Nagell, instead of carrying out his assignment, sent a registered letter to FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover (which he also served as a confidential informant) more than two months before the tragedy in Dallas, providing enough information to warrant the arrest of Oswald and two Cuban exiles. While the bureau says it cannot locate any such letter in its files, it is likely that Nagell kept a copy and the registered-mail receipt among his effects.

Also alerting CIA officials of the plot, Nagell then walked into a bank in El Paso, Texas, on September 20, 1963, fired two shots into the wall and intentionally had himself placed in federal custody. He hinted to me in a series of meetings that right-wing extremists, including wealthy Texas oil interests and CIA renegades, were ultimately behind the assassination.'

RICHARD CASE NAGELL