The Liberal Version of Civil Rights

[PoliticalChic]

leviticus and romans

First no one lives according the mosses law, so no stoning today, if we did 3/4 of the globe pop would be stoned and the rest with no eyes, or hands. Tel Aviv is the go to homosexual place so Jews do not even live under it.

Second of all:
25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised.Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over' to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death,'> they not only continue to do these very things but also approve'> of those who practice them.

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Paul letters to Romans, now Paul suggested not even to marry unless one couldn't control their urges, IN OTHER words, only get married for sex.

So homosexuals have been around for centuries, do you know why it became legal, to get the benefits of marriage , SS, inheritance, health insurance, VA benefits, etc.

I have no problems with gay marriage. In fact, i completely support it.
But to say its not in the bible is a damn lie.

People who are not Christians love to tell people who are Christians how they should live out their faith. Kind of like members of the Elks telling Masons how to run their ceremonies.

Was this baker not allowed to pray to his God, was he not allowed to go to a church of his choice, did he bake and décor a cake for a serial rapist and murderer, when was he made judge and jury of who he can serve and who he can't if he is the owner of a public business.

Religious rights end when it interferes with others rights.

No one has a right to anothers property.
Maybe you need to figure out what "right" means

Very perceptive.

I have plans to explain exactly what the 'rights' means later in the thread.

 

[Penelope]

Where?

leviticus and romans

First no one lives according the mosses law, so no stoning today, if we did 3/4 of the globe pop would be stoned and the rest with no eyes, or hands. Tel Aviv is the go to homosexual place so Jews do not even live under it.

Second of all:
25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised.Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over' to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death,'> they not only continue to do these very things but also approve'> of those who practice them.

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Paul letters to Romans, now Paul suggested not even to marry unless one couldn't control their urges, IN OTHER words, only get married for sex.

So homosexuals have been around for centuries, do you know why it became legal, to get the benefits of marriage , SS, inheritance, health insurance, VA benefits, etc.

I have no problems with gay marriage. In fact, i completely support it.
But to say its not in the bible is a damn lie.

People who are not Christians love to tell people who are Christians how they should live out their faith. Kind of like members of the Elks telling Masons how to run their ceremonies.

Tocqueville did his best to educate you two centuries ago.....

Let's see if it works now:



Although Christianity in its many varieties was the religion of the original colonies, Christianity does not preach operational dominance over the body politic in America.

Tocqueville compared this aspect to Islam: “Mohammed professed to derive from Heaven, and has inserted in the Koran, not only religious doctrines, but political maxims, civil and criminal laws, and theories of science. The Gospel, on the contrary, speaks only of the general relations of men to God and to each other, beyond which it inculcates and imposes no point of faith. This alone, besides a thousand other reasons, would suffice to prove that the former of these religions will never long predominate in a cultivated and democratic age, while the latter is destined to retain its sway at these as at all other periods.”
Tocqueville, “Democracy in America,” vol.2, p. 23.

According the the right we are not a "democracy".

 

[PoliticalChic]

9. The hatred by the Left of the Judeo-Christian faith on which this nation was founded, is on display in this case: the baker has religious grounds protected by the Constitution….the same-sex couple, only political grounds.



What should be the government’s role vis-à-vis religion?

“…Justice Anthony Kennedy concluded: "The commission's hostility was inconsistent with the First Amendment's guarantee that our laws be applied in a manner that is neutral toward religion. ... “ Supreme Court: Be Polite When You Violate Others' Rights





The following written by Chief Justice William Rehnquist
472 U.S. 38

" It is impossible to build sound constitutional doctrine upon a mistaken understanding of constitutional history, but unfortunately the Establishment Clause has been expressly freighted with Jefferson's misleading metaphor for nearly 40 years. Thomas Jefferson was of course in France at the time the constitutional Amendments known as the Bill of Rights were passed by Congress and ratified by the States.

His letter to the Danbury Baptist Association was a short note of courtesy, written 14 years after the Amendments were passed by Congress. He would seem to any detached observer as a less than ideal source of contemporary history as to the meaning of the Religion Clauses of the First Amendment.

The Framers intended the Establishment Clause to prohibit the designation of any’s church as a "national" one. The Clause was also designed to stop the Federal Government from asserting a preference for one religious denomination or sect over others.

Given the "incorporation" of the Establishment Clause as against the States via the Fourteenth Amendment in Everson, States are prohibited as well from establishing a religion or discriminating between sects. As its history abundantly shows, however, nothing in the Establishment Clause requires government to be strictly neutral between religion and irreligion, nor does that Clause prohibit Congress or the States from pursuing legitimate secular ends through nondiscriminatory sectarian means."

From Chief Justice Wm. Rehnquist dissent in
WALLACE V. JAFFREE
472 U.S. 38, 105 S.Ct. 2479 (1985)
Nos. 83-812, 83-929.
Argued Dec. 4, 1984.
Decided June 4, 1985.

 

[deanrd]

1.Hmmmm….the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the Colorado baker, who declined to use his facilities to promote gay marriage.
I have often been disappointed in the Court’s decisions…..but not this time.

2.Based on his religious beliefs, the baker said he couldn’t participate in the celebration of the marriage of two same-sex individuals.

3.The Justices determined that the foaming-mouthed rabid Liberals on that Colorado Civil Rights Commission had pretty much decided that the baker had no civil rights when it came to his conscience.





4.As is so often the case with Liberals, the Colorado Civil Rights Commission carefully and sympathetically took the rights of the gay couple into consideration….but were dripping with contempt when it came to the right of the Christian folks.

5.There are all sorts of examples of the Liberals/Progressives treating the First Amendment like a doormat, specifically the free speech portion….but this corrupt ‘Civil Rights Commission’ treated the part about the free expression of one’s religion in the same fashion.

6. “Freedom of religion and religion has been used to justify all kinds of discrimination throughout history,” said Colorado Civil Rights Commissioner Diann Rice, “whether it be slavery, whether it be the Holocaust, whether it be …” Here she trailed off.

“We can list hundreds of situations where freedom of religion has been used to justify discrimination,” she picked up again. “And to me it is one of the most despicable pieces of rhetoric that people can use to — to use their religion to hurt others.”

Given the prevalence of this anti-religious attitude, it was heartening to see that three of the Supreme Court’s five most liberal justices — and seven justices in all — not only rejected Rice’s view, but actually found its utterance during Phillips’ legal proceeding to be clear evidence of the show trial’s unfairness. The Phillips ruling had to be thrown out, seven justices decided, because no reasonable person could defend the promulgation of such ignorant anti-religious bigotry in an official setting."
Religious freedom lives to fight another day




"...Justice Anthony Kennedy concluded: "The commission's hostility was inconsistent with the First Amendment's guarantee that our laws be applied in a manner that is neutral toward religion. ... " Supreme Court: Be Polite When You Violate Others' Rights


Only two of the Justices, Bader-Ginsburg and Sotomayor, gave in to their inner Fascism.

Religion is why Republicans think slavery is OK!

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.(Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

 

[SSGT Bags]

Where in the Bible does it say gays should not marry?? No where.

Oh please. It clearly speaks ill of homosexuality. Marriage or not.

Where?

To name a few;
Genesis 19
Leviticus 18 & 20
Romans 1:18-32
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
1 Timothy 1:8-10

Christians do not go by the OT and law of Moses, and 1 Cor:
neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Read EZE 16 to find out why God destroyed S & G.

Tim is quoting Cor: but anyway here goes:
1 Timothy 1:8-10 New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)
We know that the law is good, provided that one uses it as law,9 with the understanding that law is meant not for a righteous person but for the lawless and unruly, the godless and sinful, the unholy and profane, those who kill their fathers or mothers, murderers, 10 the unchaste, sodomites, kidnappers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is opposed to sound teaching,

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The Trump Admin has become kidnappers now.

Christians do not go by the OT and law of Moses, and 1 Cor:
LIAR

Really?
Just showing your ignorance.
I attended an all male Catholic High School
Religion every semester, and it was all old testament.
We had Jewish boys in the school, and would they have attended if New Testament was taught?
If you libs can't defend yourself with facts, you just make up your own facts, now I am more than finished with you so just STFU!

 

[Penelope]

Where in the Bible does it say gays should not marry?? No where.

Oh please. It clearly speaks ill of homosexuality. Marriage or not.

Where?

To name a few;
Genesis 19
Leviticus 18 & 20
Romans 1:18-32
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
1 Timothy 1:8-10

Christians do not go by the OT and law of Moses, and 1 Cor:
neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Read EZE 16 to find out why God destroyed S & G.

Tim is quoting Cor: but anyway here goes:
1 Timothy 1:8-10 New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)
We know that the law is good, provided that one uses it as law,9 with the understanding that law is meant not for a righteous person but for the lawless and unruly, the godless and sinful, the unholy and profane, those who kill their fathers or mothers, murderers, 10 the unchaste, sodomites, kidnappers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is opposed to sound teaching,

------------------------------
The Trump Admin has become kidnappers now.

Christians do not go by the OT and law of Moses, and 1 Cor:
LIAR

Really?
Just showing your ignorance.
I attended an all male Catholic High School
Religion every semester, and it was all old testament.
We had Jewish boys in the school, and would they have attended if New Testament was taught?
If you libs can't defend yourself with facts, you just make up your own facts, now I am more than finished with you so just STFU!

I'm a cradle RC and no we do not go by the law of Moses, even jews do not. I'm not going to call you a liar, I'm just calling you grossly uninformed.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1.Hmmmm….the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the Colorado baker, who declined to use his facilities to promote gay marriage.
I have often been disappointed in the Court’s decisions…..but not this time.

2.Based on his religious beliefs, the baker said he couldn’t participate in the celebration of the marriage of two same-sex individuals.

3.The Justices determined that the foaming-mouthed rabid Liberals on that Colorado Civil Rights Commission had pretty much decided that the baker had no civil rights when it came to his conscience.





4.As is so often the case with Liberals, the Colorado Civil Rights Commission carefully and sympathetically took the rights of the gay couple into consideration….but were dripping with contempt when it came to the right of the Christian folks.

5.There are all sorts of examples of the Liberals/Progressives treating the First Amendment like a doormat, specifically the free speech portion….but this corrupt ‘Civil Rights Commission’ treated the part about the free expression of one’s religion in the same fashion.

6. “Freedom of religion and religion has been used to justify all kinds of discrimination throughout history,” said Colorado Civil Rights Commissioner Diann Rice, “whether it be slavery, whether it be the Holocaust, whether it be …” Here she trailed off.

“We can list hundreds of situations where freedom of religion has been used to justify discrimination,” she picked up again. “And to me it is one of the most despicable pieces of rhetoric that people can use to — to use their religion to hurt others.”

Given the prevalence of this anti-religious attitude, it was heartening to see that three of the Supreme Court’s five most liberal justices — and seven justices in all — not only rejected Rice’s view, but actually found its utterance during Phillips’ legal proceeding to be clear evidence of the show trial’s unfairness. The Phillips ruling had to be thrown out, seven justices decided, because no reasonable person could defend the promulgation of such ignorant anti-religious bigotry in an official setting."
Religious freedom lives to fight another day




"...Justice Anthony Kennedy concluded: "The commission's hostility was inconsistent with the First Amendment's guarantee that our laws be applied in a manner that is neutral toward religion. ... " Supreme Court: Be Polite When You Violate Others' Rights


Only two of the Justices, Bader-Ginsburg and Sotomayor, gave in to their inner Fascism.

Religion is why Republicans think slavery is OK!

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.(Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

"Religion is why Republicans think slavery is OK!"


To see how deeply embarrassed Liberals/Democrat are their history of supporting slavery and segregation, simply note how they try to blame the side that pried their slaves away from them.



Here is a brief history of your Democrat Party:


1. The Democrats are, and have always been, the party of slavery, segregation, and second-class citizenship, the party that stood in schoolhouse doors to block black school children….until Republicans sent in the 101st airborne

2. It is the party of Jefferson Davis, the KKK, Planned Parenthood, concentration camps for American citizens, and restrictions on free speech.

3. It is the party of Mao ornaments on the White House Christmas tree, and of James Hodgkinson, and of Communist Bernie Sanders, of pretend genders.

4. The Democrat Party is the oldest racist organization in America, the trail of tears, the author of Jim Crow and the bigotry of low expectations, filibustered against women getting the vote and killed every anti-lynching bill to get to Congress

5. The Democrat Party is the number one funder of the Islamic Revolution in Tehran….to the tune of $100 billion to the Ayatollahs….and gave Hezbollah the go-ahead to sell cocaine in America.

6. It is the party of anti-Semitism and Louis Farrakhan, and of the first Cabinet member ever to be held in contempt of Congress.

7. It is the party that admits its future depends on flooding the country with illegal aliens, and telling them to vote.

8. It is the party that couldn't suck up to the Castro Brothers enough, and treats the Bill of Rights like a Chinese menu..

9. The Democrats got us into the Civil War…Jefferson Davis .... Woodrow Wilson, WWI….FDR, WWII……Truman, Korean War….VietNam, JFK and LBJ…..yet they want to weaken our military.

10. The Democrats are the party that looks at the mayhem their gun laws have produced in Chicago, ……and this is their model for the nation.




Disgusting, isn't it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

10. In actuality, the Left’s hostility to religion is an echo of some earlier Leftists, such as Lenin and Stalin. But they use something that Jefferson said, and take it out of it’s actual meaning.

“This bigotry hides behind a twisted notion of secularism: the notion that people are to keep their religious beliefs to themselves, such that they influence only their Sabbath worship and never guide their actions in public. Nobody believes this about all moral judgments, but many on the Left today believe that moral judgments deserve lower regard if they are tied to religion. They start with a motto, "separation of church and state," and end with a radical notion that religious beliefs need to be locked out of the public square.” Religious freedom lives to fight another day





One of the many lies that the Left must imbed is that Jefferson demanded a ‘wall’ be built between government and any display related to religion.

He did no such thing. He simply assured that the government would not enforce a federal religion, as so many states had, and that the Danbury Baptists could go forth choosing their own faith.



In short....Jefferson, at no time, suggested that religion be excluded from our government.

Only KKKer Hugo Black did that.
"... Black was head of new members for the largest Klan cell in the South. New members of the KKK had to pledge their allegiance to the “eternal separation of Church and State.”... Separation was a crucial part of the KKK’s jurisprudential agenda. It was included in the Klansman’s ‘Creed..."
http://egnorance.blogspot.com/2011/10/hugo-black-and-real-history-of-wall-of.html]

Oh....and Hugh Black was Franklin Roosevelt's very first choice for the Supreme Court.




Separation of church and state?
One more of the lies one must believe to be a Liberal.

 

[Penelope]

1.Hmmmm….the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the Colorado baker, who declined to use his facilities to promote gay marriage.
I have often been disappointed in the Court’s decisions…..but not this time.

2.Based on his religious beliefs, the baker said he couldn’t participate in the celebration of the marriage of two same-sex individuals.

3.The Justices determined that the foaming-mouthed rabid Liberals on that Colorado Civil Rights Commission had pretty much decided that the baker had no civil rights when it came to his conscience.





4.As is so often the case with Liberals, the Colorado Civil Rights Commission carefully and sympathetically took the rights of the gay couple into consideration….but were dripping with contempt when it came to the right of the Christian folks.

5.There are all sorts of examples of the Liberals/Progressives treating the First Amendment like a doormat, specifically the free speech portion….but this corrupt ‘Civil Rights Commission’ treated the part about the free expression of one’s religion in the same fashion.

6. “Freedom of religion and religion has been used to justify all kinds of discrimination throughout history,” said Colorado Civil Rights Commissioner Diann Rice, “whether it be slavery, whether it be the Holocaust, whether it be …” Here she trailed off.

“We can list hundreds of situations where freedom of religion has been used to justify discrimination,” she picked up again. “And to me it is one of the most despicable pieces of rhetoric that people can use to — to use their religion to hurt others.”

Given the prevalence of this anti-religious attitude, it was heartening to see that three of the Supreme Court’s five most liberal justices — and seven justices in all — not only rejected Rice’s view, but actually found its utterance during Phillips’ legal proceeding to be clear evidence of the show trial’s unfairness. The Phillips ruling had to be thrown out, seven justices decided, because no reasonable person could defend the promulgation of such ignorant anti-religious bigotry in an official setting."
Religious freedom lives to fight another day




"...Justice Anthony Kennedy concluded: "The commission's hostility was inconsistent with the First Amendment's guarantee that our laws be applied in a manner that is neutral toward religion. ... " Supreme Court: Be Polite When You Violate Others' Rights


Only two of the Justices, Bader-Ginsburg and Sotomayor, gave in to their inner Fascism.

Religion is why Republicans think slavery is OK!

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.(Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

"Religion is why Republicans think slavery is OK!"


To see how deeply embarrassed Liberals/Democrat are their history of supporting slavery and segregation, simply note how they try to blame the side that pried their slaves away from them.



Here is a brief history of your Democrat Party:


1. The Democrats are, and have always been, the party of slavery, segregation, and second-class citizenship, the party that stood in schoolhouse doors to block black school children….until Republicans sent in the 101st airborne

2. It is the party of Jefferson Davis, the KKK, Planned Parenthood, concentration camps for American citizens, and restrictions on free speech.

3. It is the party of Mao ornaments on the White House Christmas tree, and of James Hodgkinson, and of Communist Bernie Sanders, of pretend genders.

4. The Democrat Party is the oldest racist organization in America, the trail of tears, the author of Jim Crow and the bigotry of low expectations, filibustered against women getting the vote and killed every anti-lynching bill to get to Congress

5. The Democrat Party is the number one funder of the Islamic Revolution in Tehran….to the tune of $100 billion to the Ayatollahs….and gave Hezbollah the go-ahead to sell cocaine in America.

6. It is the party of anti-Semitism and Louis Farrakhan, and of the first Cabinet member ever to be held in contempt of Congress.

7. It is the party that admits its future depends on flooding the country with illegal aliens, and telling them to vote.

8. It is the party that couldn't suck up to the Castro Brothers enough, and treats the Bill of Rights like a Chinese menu..

9. The Democrats got us into the Civil War…Jefferson Davis .... Woodrow Wilson, WWI….FDR, WWII……Truman, Korean War….VietNam, JFK and LBJ…..yet they want to weaken our military.

10. The Democrats are the party that looks at the mayhem their gun laws have produced in Chicago, ……and this is their model for the nation.




Disgusting, isn't it.

I guess you are not aware of Eisenhower or John Dulles, both republicans.


In February 1955, Eisenhower dispatched the first American soldiers to Vietnam as military advisors to Diem's army. After Diem announced the formation of the Republic of Vietnam (RVN, commonly known as South Vietnam) in October, Eisenhower immediately recognized the new state and offered military, economic, and technical assistance.[191]

 

[Penelope]

10. In actuality, the Left’s hostility to religion is an echo of some earlier Leftists, such as Lenin and Stalin. But they use something that Jefferson said, and take it out of it’s actual meaning.

“This bigotry hides behind a twisted notion of secularism: the notion that people are to keep their religious beliefs to themselves, such that they influence only their Sabbath worship and never guide their actions in public. Nobody believes this about all moral judgments, but many on the Left today believe that moral judgments deserve lower regard if they are tied to religion. They start with a motto, "separation of church and state," and end with a radical notion that religious beliefs need to be locked out of the public square.” Religious freedom lives to fight another day





One of the many lies that the Left must imbed is that Jefferson demanded a ‘wall’ be built between government and any display related to religion.

He did no such thing. He simply assured that the government would not enforce a federal religion, as so many states had, and that the Danbury Baptists could go forth choosing their own faith.



In short....Jefferson, at no time, suggested that religion be excluded from our government.

Only KKKer Hugo Black did that.
"... Black was head of new members for the largest Klan cell in the South. New members of the KKK had to pledge their allegiance to the “eternal separation of Church and State.”... Separation was a crucial part of the KKK’s jurisprudential agenda. It was included in the Klansman’s ‘Creed..."
http://egnorance.blogspot.com/2011/10/hugo-black-and-real-history-of-wall-of.html]

Oh....and Hugh Black was Franklin Roosevelt's very first choice for the Supreme Court.




Separation of church and state?
One more of the lies one must believe to be a Liberal.

There is a separation of church and state, most of the founders did not believe in the trinity, were deists or Unitarians. Jefferson didn't believe in the virgin birth or the miracles or resurrection.

History: there was no judeo Christian till 1950.

 

[PoliticalChic]

10. In actuality, the Left’s hostility to religion is an echo of some earlier Leftists, such as Lenin and Stalin. But they use something that Jefferson said, and take it out of it’s actual meaning.

“This bigotry hides behind a twisted notion of secularism: the notion that people are to keep their religious beliefs to themselves, such that they influence only their Sabbath worship and never guide their actions in public. Nobody believes this about all moral judgments, but many on the Left today believe that moral judgments deserve lower regard if they are tied to religion. They start with a motto, "separation of church and state," and end with a radical notion that religious beliefs need to be locked out of the public square.” Religious freedom lives to fight another day





One of the many lies that the Left must imbed is that Jefferson demanded a ‘wall’ be built between government and any display related to religion.

He did no such thing. He simply assured that the government would not enforce a federal religion, as so many states had, and that the Danbury Baptists could go forth choosing their own faith.



In short....Jefferson, at no time, suggested that religion be excluded from our government.

Only KKKer Hugo Black did that.
"... Black was head of new members for the largest Klan cell in the South. New members of the KKK had to pledge their allegiance to the “eternal separation of Church and State.”... Separation was a crucial part of the KKK’s jurisprudential agenda. It was included in the Klansman’s ‘Creed..."
http://egnorance.blogspot.com/2011/10/hugo-black-and-real-history-of-wall-of.html]

Oh....and Hugh Black was Franklin Roosevelt's very first choice for the Supreme Court.




Separation of church and state?
One more of the lies one must believe to be a Liberal.

There is a separation of church and state, most of the founders did not believe in the trinity, were deists or Unitarians. Jefferson didn't believe in the virgin birth or the miracles or resurrection.

History: there was no judeo Christian till 1950.

You couldn't be more wrong.

You could attempt to be, but you would be unsuccessful.



1.“52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html Believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost


2. There were no Deists.
...we find Liberals, Progressives, Democrats claiming that America is not based on a Judeo-Christian foundation, and that our Founder were otherwise than steeped in those same orthodox and traditional views.
Let's shine the light of truth on the this despicable fiction.



The truth about American's founders is..."all of whom, even if some did not individually adhere to orthodox Christianity, were steeped in the Judeo-Christian tradition.

Here’s what we can say for certain about their religious beliefs.

a) All of the Founders believed in a transcendent God, that is, a Creator who exists outside of nature.
b) All the Founders believed in a God who imposes moral obligations on human beings
c) All the Founders believed in a God who punishes bad behavior and rewards good behavior in an afterlife."







Were the Founders Religious?

As the dupes of the Left throw around terms to make their case, let's see what "Deist" actually means.

4. As there is far, far too much evidence for the Judeo-Christian basis of our nation, those on the Left....desiring to adhere to Marx's doctrines....attempt to call the Founders 'deists' to attempt to pry them from being called 'religious.'

de•ism
noun
belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe. The term is used chiefly of an intellectual movement of the 17th and 18th centuries that accepted the existence of a creator on the basis of reason but rejected belief in a supernatural deity who interacts with humankind. Google




5. "The notion that any of the Founders believed in an impersonal deity who merely created the universe and then left it to itself is false. All of them believed in a God who, as Franklin said at the Constitutional Convention, “governs in the affairs of men.”


Let’s start with George Washington.

Washington’s writings, both public and private, are full of references to the Bible. This is certainly true during his eight years as the first President of the United States.

Here is Washington at his first Inaugural:
“The propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right, which Heaven itself has ordained.”
In all likelihood, Washington was an orthodox Christian.


Like Washington, Benjamin Franklin also referenced Bible verses, stories, and metaphors throughout his life. His calls for prayer at the Constitutional Convention were typical of his attitude. Franklin, who had his own unorthodox views, summed up his faith this way: “That the soul of man is immortal, and will be treated with justice in another life respecting its conduct in this.”

Clearly not a view of God ignoring his creations.


6. When it comes to John Adams, the Leftwing sophists have a field day!

"Adams referred to himself as a Christian throughout his life, but did not believe in traditional Christian doctrines such as the trinity or the divinity of Jesus.... [but] before, during and after his tenure as President, Adams repeatedly asserted his admiration for the Christian faith... Adams spoke of his great respect for the Bible. “[T]he Bible is the best book in the world. It contains more of my… philosophy than all the libraries I have seen…”


a. Those who suggest that Adams was in any way against religion like to quote from a letter he wrote to Thomas Jefferson in which he said, “This would be the best of all possible worlds if there was no religion in it.”

Seems to be a perfect spokesman for Marx or Lenin, no?

Definitely, no.



Unfortunately, those who cite this line never quote the lines that immediately follow “But in this exclamation, I should have been as fanatical as [the skeptics of religion]. Without religion, this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company—I mean hell.”

So, those who quote the first line without quoting the subsequent lines are either unaware of the full comment or are deliberately misleading people as to Adams’s beliefs."
Ibid.


7. "Like Adams, Thomas Jefferson did not adhere to orthodox doctrine. Yet he often declared himself to be a Christian. “I am a Christian, he said, “in the only sense he [Jesus] wished anyone to be: sincerely attached to his doctrines...”

As one of the leaders of the American Revolution, his views are well known. After all, this is the man who wrote in the Declaration of Independence that “all men… are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” You can’t get a much more explicit statement of belief than that.



These four founders – Washington, Adams, Jefferson and Franklin – were practical men with a sober view of human nature. They understood that man is morally weak and that religion provides the best encouragement and incentive to be good.

It does so, first and foremost, by teaching that choices have consequences. Not necessarily in the here and now, but most certainly in the hereafter – meted out by a just God.


It should come as no surprise, then, that Jefferson, in his second inaugural, asked for, “The favor of that Being in whose hands we are, who led our forefathers, as Israel of old, from their native land.”
Were the Founders Religious?

 

[PoliticalChic]

11. The rights of the same-sex couple should be protected….but so should the rights of religious folks.

Here is what ‘rights’ are.

1. A right is something an individual has by virtue of being human.
   1. Human beings are the only entities that have rights.
2. Rights belong to each human individually.
3. Rights are exercised by individuals, and are not given nor ascribed by any person of group, especially governments.
4. Rights are voluntary, in that individuals may choose whether to either exercise them or to ignore them.
5. Individual cannot have a right that infringes upon or diminishes the rights of others.

6. To be clear, ‘benefits’ such as education, shelter, or a job require resources from somewhere else, and therefore, cannot be given or protected without restricting another’s right to the property of his hands or mind.

7. It is a grave error to believe that rights evolve due to societal changes, and expand to include free education, shelter, a minimum wage, healthcare…even wireless Internet access.

8.Whereas the right to bear arms and free expression require nothing but governmental promise of protection, fake rights entail government coercive redirection of private resources.

Thus, material benefits do not meet the basic standards of a right.


9.Realize, expanding the concept of a right to cover desires represents theft, peculation, as the natural and timeless rights of people must be subordinated to the power of government.

10.One way of hiding the theft is to invent the cover of ‘collective rights.” It is the favored method of the Left, co-opt the language.
Richard Lorenc, “Reinventing The Right,” p.33-34.





Only a Liberal would imagine that any one person has a 'right' to force another to act against their conscience.

 

[Cecilie1200]

1.Hmmmm….the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the Colorado baker, who declined to use his facilities to promote gay marriage.
I have often been disappointed in the Court’s decisions…..but not this time.

2.Based on his religious beliefs, the baker said he couldn’t participate in the celebration of the marriage of two same-sex individuals.

3.The Justices determined that the foaming-mouthed rabid Liberals on that Colorado Civil Rights Commission had pretty much decided that the baker had no civil rights when it came to his conscience.





4.As is so often the case with Liberals, the Colorado Civil Rights Commission carefully and sympathetically took the rights of the gay couple into consideration….but were dripping with contempt when it came to the right of the Christian folks.

5.There are all sorts of examples of the Liberals/Progressives treating the First Amendment like a doormat, specifically the free speech portion….but this corrupt ‘Civil Rights Commission’ treated the part about the free expression of one’s religion in the same fashion.

6. “Freedom of religion and religion has been used to justify all kinds of discrimination throughout history,” said Colorado Civil Rights Commissioner Diann Rice, “whether it be slavery, whether it be the Holocaust, whether it be …” Here she trailed off.

“We can list hundreds of situations where freedom of religion has been used to justify discrimination,” she picked up again. “And to me it is one of the most despicable pieces of rhetoric that people can use to — to use their religion to hurt others.”

Given the prevalence of this anti-religious attitude, it was heartening to see that three of the Supreme Court’s five most liberal justices — and seven justices in all — not only rejected Rice’s view, but actually found its utterance during Phillips’ legal proceeding to be clear evidence of the show trial’s unfairness. The Phillips ruling had to be thrown out, seven justices decided, because no reasonable person could defend the promulgation of such ignorant anti-religious bigotry in an official setting."
Religious freedom lives to fight another day




"...Justice Anthony Kennedy concluded: "The commission's hostility was inconsistent with the First Amendment's guarantee that our laws be applied in a manner that is neutral toward religion. ... " Supreme Court: Be Polite When You Violate Others' Rights


Only two of the Justices, Bader-Ginsburg and Sotomayor, gave in to their inner Fascism.

Honestly, while I'm pleased with the overall outcome, I was very disappointed in the decision itself and the reasoning on which it was based. It seemed very cowardly, and is guaranteed to keep the issue open and festering, and returning to the courts until a better, more decisive statement is issued.

They basically avoided truly addressing the key issues in the case: freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and freedom of association. Instead, to quote Ben Shapiro, "the court ruled that the baker didn't have to bake the cake because the members of the Colorado Civil Rights Commission were unduly mean." Well, no, he doesn't have to bake the cake because he has multiple Constitutional rights not to do so.

All this means is that we're going to be right back in the same place in a few months, with another case where THIS time, the government was a little more polite about violating people's rights.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Why do religious people get to be bigots and not everyone else?
Why cant i refuse to bake a cake to gays if i dont want to?
Anti-Discrimination laws are discrimination.
PA laws are bullshit.

You're not wrong. I always had a problem with the arguments that made it narrowly about religion, or "artistic expression", as if they had to find an excuse that made THIS time special. The truth is, we all have every right to associate, or not associate, with whomever we choose, and any law that says otherwise is wrong and Unconstitutional.

We don't forfeit our rights because someone else doesn't like the way we choose to exercise them.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Where in the Bible does it say gays should not marry?? No where.

Oh please. It clearly speaks ill of homosexuality. Marriage or not.

Where?

To name a few;
Genesis 19
Leviticus 18 & 20
Romans 1:18-32
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
1 Timothy 1:8-10

Still stoning folks to death over blasphemy?
Still only eating animals with a split hoof?
Still making animal sacrifices at the temple?

Know of any places in the New Testament that abrogate homosexual acts being a sin?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Where in the Bible does it say gays should not marry?? No where.

This isn’t about what the Bible says about gay marriage, it’s about individual religions liberty.

Individual religious liberty was not taken away from the baker. His bakery is not a church. Why not honor FGM , while we allow jewish sucking circumcision.

I wonder if religious people could sue gay people for discriminating against their beliefs?

Like, say....for not coming to church????



That's funny, Marky

Gay and lesbians are kicked out of churches, yes the religious assholes like to hate folks base on what they do. Unless you are an adulterer, robber, murder, sneak thief, child molester, etc, etc.

Show us where a homosexual was "kicked out of church", please.

You have no idea what a yawn this whole "Anything I don't agree with is HATE!" It's more hateful than any of the shit you rant about.

 

[Cecilie1200]

1.Hmmmm….the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the Colorado baker, who declined to use his facilities to promote gay marriage.
I have often been disappointed in the Court’s decisions…..but not this time.

2.Based on his religious beliefs, the baker said he couldn’t participate in the celebration of the marriage of two same-sex individuals.

3.The Justices determined that the foaming-mouthed rabid Liberals on that Colorado Civil Rights Commission had pretty much decided that the baker had no civil rights when it came to his conscience.





4.As is so often the case with Liberals, the Colorado Civil Rights Commission carefully and sympathetically took the rights of the gay couple into consideration….but were dripping with contempt when it came to the right of the Christian folks.

5.There are all sorts of examples of the Liberals/Progressives treating the First Amendment like a doormat, specifically the free speech portion….but this corrupt ‘Civil Rights Commission’ treated the part about the free expression of one’s religion in the same fashion.

6. “Freedom of religion and religion has been used to justify all kinds of discrimination throughout history,” said Colorado Civil Rights Commissioner Diann Rice, “whether it be slavery, whether it be the Holocaust, whether it be …” Here she trailed off.

“We can list hundreds of situations where freedom of religion has been used to justify discrimination,” she picked up again. “And to me it is one of the most despicable pieces of rhetoric that people can use to — to use their religion to hurt others.”

Given the prevalence of this anti-religious attitude, it was heartening to see that three of the Supreme Court’s five most liberal justices — and seven justices in all — not only rejected Rice’s view, but actually found its utterance during Phillips’ legal proceeding to be clear evidence of the show trial’s unfairness. The Phillips ruling had to be thrown out, seven justices decided, because no reasonable person could defend the promulgation of such ignorant anti-religious bigotry in an official setting."
Religious freedom lives to fight another day




"...Justice Anthony Kennedy concluded: "The commission's hostility was inconsistent with the First Amendment's guarantee that our laws be applied in a manner that is neutral toward religion. ... " Supreme Court: Be Polite When You Violate Others' Rights


Only two of the Justices, Bader-Ginsburg and Sotomayor, gave in to their inner Fascism.

Religion is why Republicans think slavery is OK!

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.(Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

Religious bigotry is why Democrats think stupidity is brilliance!

[insert any quote from any deanrd post here]

 

[Penelope]

I think righty's need a "Come to Jesus moment", oh wait they had a moment. It passed and now they are on a hate parade again.

 

[hadit]

leviticus and romans

First no one lives according the mosses law, so no stoning today, if we did 3/4 of the globe pop would be stoned and the rest with no eyes, or hands. Tel Aviv is the go to homosexual place so Jews do not even live under it.

Second of all:
25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised.Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over' to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death,'> they not only continue to do these very things but also approve'> of those who practice them.

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Paul letters to Romans, now Paul suggested not even to marry unless one couldn't control their urges, IN OTHER words, only get married for sex.

So homosexuals have been around for centuries, do you know why it became legal, to get the benefits of marriage , SS, inheritance, health insurance, VA benefits, etc.

I have no problems with gay marriage. In fact, i completely support it.
But to say its not in the bible is a damn lie.

People who are not Christians love to tell people who are Christians how they should live out their faith. Kind of like members of the Elks telling Masons how to run their ceremonies.

Tocqueville did his best to educate you two centuries ago.....

Let's see if it works now:



Although Christianity in its many varieties was the religion of the original colonies, Christianity does not preach operational dominance over the body politic in America.

Tocqueville compared this aspect to Islam: “Mohammed professed to derive from Heaven, and has inserted in the Koran, not only religious doctrines, but political maxims, civil and criminal laws, and theories of science. The Gospel, on the contrary, speaks only of the general relations of men to God and to each other, beyond which it inculcates and imposes no point of faith. This alone, besides a thousand other reasons, would suffice to prove that the former of these religions will never long predominate in a cultivated and democratic age, while the latter is destined to retain its sway at these as at all other periods.”
Tocqueville, “Democracy in America,” vol.2, p. 23.

According the the right we are not a "democracy".

According to the Constitution we're not a democracy.

 

[LuckyDuck]

1.Hmmmm….the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the Colorado baker, who declined to use his facilities to promote gay marriage.
I have often been disappointed in the Court’s decisions…..but not this time.

2.Based on his religious beliefs, the baker said he couldn’t participate in the celebration of the marriage of two same-sex individuals.

3.The Justices determined that the foaming-mouthed rabid Liberals on that Colorado Civil Rights Commission had pretty much decided that the baker had no civil rights when it came to his conscience.





4.As is so often the case with Liberals, the Colorado Civil Rights Commission carefully and sympathetically took the rights of the gay couple into consideration….but were dripping with contempt when it came to the right of the Christian folks.

5.There are all sorts of examples of the Liberals/Progressives treating the First Amendment like a doormat, specifically the free speech portion….but this corrupt ‘Civil Rights Commission’ treated the part about the free expression of one’s religion in the same fashion.

6. “Freedom of religion and religion has been used to justify all kinds of discrimination throughout history,” said Colorado Civil Rights Commissioner Diann Rice, “whether it be slavery, whether it be the Holocaust, whether it be …” Here she trailed off.

“We can list hundreds of situations where freedom of religion has been used to justify discrimination,” she picked up again. “And to me it is one of the most despicable pieces of rhetoric that people can use to — to use their religion to hurt others.”

Given the prevalence of this anti-religious attitude, it was heartening to see that three of the Supreme Court’s five most liberal justices — and seven justices in all — not only rejected Rice’s view, but actually found its utterance during Phillips’ legal proceeding to be clear evidence of the show trial’s unfairness. The Phillips ruling had to be thrown out, seven justices decided, because no reasonable person could defend the promulgation of such ignorant anti-religious bigotry in an official setting."
Religious freedom lives to fight another day




"...Justice Anthony Kennedy concluded: "The commission's hostility was inconsistent with the First Amendment's guarantee that our laws be applied in a manner that is neutral toward religion. ... " Supreme Court: Be Polite When You Violate Others' Rights


Only two of the Justices, Bader-Ginsburg and Sotomayor, gave in to their inner Fascism.

The "New" Liberal version of civil rights: Marxism.