The Left's Unlikely Alliance with Islam

[Toro]

This article hits the nail right on the head in my estimation. What do you think?

I think it is idiotic. From the article.

The left's support for the Ground Zero mosque in New York is perplexing, as it would seem to go against many of their stated political goals.

The author is a moron. Supporting someone's right is not the same thing as supporting what they believe that arises from that right. There are many things from the conservative Right that go against my stated beliefs, but I fully support the Right's right to freedom of speech.

The author demonstrates his limited intellectual faculties by somehow equating the left's belief in freedom of religion as tolerance of the worst practices of totalitarian Islamic countries. That's tantamount to saying that because the Right supports free enterprise, it also supports the killing of union supporters in third world countries.

Beyond stupid.

 

[HUGGY]

The Left's Unlikely Alliance with Islam

Has there ever been more of an "alliance with Islam" than Bush's liplock with Saudi Princes?

 

[Rezonator]

I stand by my belief that Muslims are anything but victims. They play their Victim Card perfectly for the ignorant Left Wingers around the world because it works with them. I'm not a Left Winger though so i don't buy into their Muslim/Victim routine. Muslims are brutally massacring others around the world on a never before seen level. So Muslims are not victims. That's just Bull Chit in my opinion. Just look around the world and see for yourself what Muslims are doing to Non-Muslims. You will be shocked for sure. So be very wary of Muslims and Left Wingers whining about "Islamophobia." It's just a Trojan Horse invasion.

And they did so in WWII when they SIDED WITH THE NAZI FASCISTS

"Hitler was right to say what he said and to do what he did to the Jews." —Islamic Cleric Hussam Fawzi Jabar

"The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and adviser of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of this plan. ... He was one of Eichmann's best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures. I heard him say, accompanied by Eichmann, he had visited incognito the gas chamber of Auschwitz." —Adolf Eichmann's Deputy, Dieter Wisliceny, Nuremberg Trials

"The Hour [Resurrection] will not take place until the Muslims fight the Jews and the Muslims kill them, and the rock and the tree will say: 'Oh, Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, kill him!'" —Ismail Radwan

 

[LibocalypseNow]

I just don't believe Islam is compatible with Western values and beliefs. I know some,especially Left Wingers,still think it's possible for Muslims to assimilate but that's just them clinging to their fantasies in my opinion. For example,most Muslims in Great Britain consider themselves Muslims first and British Citizens second. It's the same sentiment for most Muslims in all Western Nations. Islam just isn't compatible with the West.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Thank you, lib, for finally to talk instead of shout. You do say, "For example,most Muslims in Great Britain consider themselves Muslims first and British Citizens second. It's the same sentiment for most Muslims in all Western Nations. Islam just isn't compatible with the West." Can you quantify and qualify terms like most Muslims in Great Britain as well as Muslim in all Western Nations not being compatible with Western values?

Using your analysis, I am beginning to wonder if evangelical Christians and their sects are compatible with a secularized, multi-cultural America. The numbers are against backward-looking evangelicals as America becomes younger, darker, and forward looking.

 

[Rezonator]

Can you quantify and qualify terms like most Muslims in Great Britain as well as Muslim in all Western Nations not being compatible with Western values?

"All the Muslims are brothers of one another and constitute one hand as against the non-Muslims. The blood of every one of them is equal to that of others and even the smallest among them can make a promise on behalf of others." —Muhammad, 630 A.D.

"The Believers are but a single brotherhood." —Quran 49:10

"A Muslim has no nationality except his belief." —Syed Qutb

"In compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims:

"The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies—civilians and military—is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it . . . We—with God's help—call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema [Muslim scholars], leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the Devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson." —World Islamic Front, signed by Shaykh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin, Ayman al-Zawahiri, Abu-Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, Shaykh Mir Hamzah, and Fazlul Rahman

"When you are called (by the Muslim ruler) for fighting, go forth immediately." —Hadith Sahih Bukhari 4:52:79:Narrated Ibn 'Abbas

"Mehrab [mosque] means the place of war, the place of fighting. Out of the mehrabs, wars should proceed. Just as all the wars of Islam proceeded out of the mehrabs. The prophet had sword to kill people. Our Holy Imams were quite militant. All of them were warriors. They used to wield swords. They used to kill people. We need a Caliph who would chop hands, cut throats, stone people. In the same way that the messenger of Allah used to chop hands, cut throats, and stone people." —Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him." —Quran 3:85

"I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.'" —Hadith Sahih Bukhari 4:52:196 Narrated Abu Huraira

"He who fights so that Allah's Word (Islam) should be superior, then he fights in Allah's cause." —Hadith Sahih Bukhari 1125 Narrated Abu Musa

"I asked the Prophet [Muhammad], 'What is the best deed?' He replied, 'To believe in Allah and to fight for His Cause.'" —Hadith Sahih Bukhari 3:46:694 Narrated Abu Dhar

"And fight them till there is no more affliction (i.e. no more worshiping of others along with Allah)". —Hadith Sahih Bukhari 6:60:40 Narrated Nafi'

"Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers." —Quran 3.151

"I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." —Quran 8:12

"Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know." —Quran 8:60

"O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them." —Quran 5:51

"Fight and slay the Unbelievers wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)" —Quran 9:5

"Islam wishes to destroy all states and governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and program of Islam regardless of the country or the nation which rules it. The purpose of Islam is to set up a State on the basis of its own ideology and program." —Syed Abul A'ala Maududi​

WTF is it with your reading and comprehension skills, StarkJerky? Were you mentally crippled in public school or something?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Thank you. Now give me all of the war sermons of the Catholic and Protestant leaders just from the Thirty Years War in Germany that killed half the population. Watch Omar Sharif and Michael Caine in "The Last Valley" for a touch of that. Or the war sermons of Brigham Young, George Smith, and Jediah Grant before the Mormon militia wiped out a wagon train in Utah in 1857. And I imagine you can come up with hundreds of such writings, particularly before the Puritans started killing Pequots or King Philip's War broke out or before General Winfield Scott had to round up the poor, damned Cherokee for the "Trail of Tears." To suggest that your quotations above characterize the great number of Muslims today is just wrong. You have to get over it if you are going to find peace in your life.

 

[Toro]

I just don't believe Islam is compatible with Western values and beliefs. I know some,especially Left Wingers,still think it's possible for Muslims to assimilate but that's just them clinging to their fantasies in my opinion. For example,most Muslims in Great Britain consider themselves Muslims first and British Citizens second. It's the same sentiment for most Muslims in all Western Nations. Islam just isn't compatible with the West.

Would most evangelicals think of themselves as Christians first or Americans first? I'm betting that a good number, maybe the majority, would think of themselves as Christians first.

I certainly agree that Islam, as practiced in many parts of the world, is incompatible with Western values. In that case, Western values in Western countries should always over-ride Islamic values. But that must be applied to any religion, Christianity included.

 

[JakeStarkey]

That is why the far Christian right's day politically is finished nationally in the U.S.

 

[Rezonator]

To suggest that your quotations above characterize the great number of Muslims today is just wrong.

Hmmmm.

"All the Muslims are brothers of one another and constitute one hand as against the non-Muslims. The blood of every one of them is equal to that of others and even the smallest among them can make a promise on behalf of others." —Muhammad, 630 A.D.​

So, you're saying Muhammad is just a liar, StarkJerky? That apparently is what you're saying. So just come right out and say it. Or are you chickenshit? I think you're chickenshit. I think you'll imply it—but are too cowardly to come out and say it.

I don't know why you would be. I mean, according to your theory, there would be no death penalty imposed on you for calling Muhammad a liar. So let's see you practice your "principles," and come out and say it, chickenshit holier-than-thou-boy.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Well since practicing Christians founded the United States of America,i don't feel i need to argue about whether or not Christianity is compatible with Western values and beliefs. The proof is there for you to investigate for yourself. Christianity has worked out just fine for the West. Islam is a whole other story though. I don't believe Islam is compatible with Western values and beliefs. This is my conclusion anyway.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The values of bloodshed and religion are quite the same for us as for the Muslims, and the U.S. used the concept of divinely-provided Manifest Destiny to sweep and disenfranchise the inhabitants of the West from their inheritance: Native Americans, Tejanos, Nuevo Mexicanos, Californios, and so on. The Muslims and we Christians are not much different that way.

Where we are different is that this nation, despite our failing as humans, managed to enfranchise the poor and the laborer and the peoples of color and the women. We were the first modern western nation to unlink a national church from the national government. I truly doubt that the Muslim Americans, who have lost some service personnel in Iraq and Afghanistan, are going to overthrow our values. The great majority have and will continue to embrace them. They are us.

 

[Rezonator]

Oh, StarkJerky: I can't heaaaaaaaaaar you. Speak up, boy. Cat got yer tongue? Or are you just the fucking hypocrite I thought you were? Here it is again...

To suggest that your quotations above characterize the great number of Muslims today is just wrong.

Hmmmm.

"All the Muslims are brothers of one another and constitute one hand as against the non-Muslims. The blood of every one of them is equal to that of others and even the smallest among them can make a promise on behalf of others." —Muhammad, 630 A.D.​

So, you're saying Muhammad is just a liar, StarkJerky? That apparently is what you're saying. So just come right out and say it. Or are you chickenshit? I think you're chickenshit. I think you'll imply it—but are too cowardly to come out and say it.

I don't know why you would be. I mean, according to your theory, there would be no death penalty imposed on you for calling Muhammad a liar. So let's see you practice your "principles," and come out and say it, chickenshit holier-than-thou-boy.

 

[Kalam]

Does anybody take this dipshit seriously?

 

[logical4u]

Yeah, those liberal bastards defending the freedom of religion!

Seriously, y'all are confusing (or purposely spinning that) defending a group against religious persecution and advocating their right to worship with condoning or even adhering to the belief set of said religion.

you know it's intentional. they're trash.

If it were Jews, Catholics, Buddhists, etc being similarly persecuted and systematically attacked by a large contingency in this country I would be standing up defending them just like I do Islam.

So you have logged your opposition to NYC preventing the Greek Orthodox Church rebuilding at ground zero?

 

[logical4u]

I have yet to see a lefty address the point of the OP.

Why do you guys do all you can to stick your thumb in the eye of Christianity, but will bend over and take it to defend Islam and apologize for it?

 

[Rezonator]

Does anybody take this dipshit seriously?

Why are you a slave?

And is this funny to you, slave?

 

[logical4u]

I read David Horowitz's book 'Unholy Alliance' awhile back and it really was fascinating. The Left around the world do seem to have a bizarre fascination with siding with Islam. Personally i believe it has to do with their irrational hate for Christians. They feel that an Islamic takeover would be very bad for Christianity hence it would be good for them. In reality,their philosophy is deeply flawed and childish. The reality is that Islamic teachings are far more harsh and intolerant towards Leftist beliefs than Christian teachings are. The Left is just so caught up in their frothing at the mouth hatred for Christians that they don't see this reality. Therefore they feel a need to to side with Islam. For the Left it's just all about hating those Christians at all cost. If that means siding with brutal terrorists than so be it. It really is incredibly bizarre. Check out the book 'Unholy Alliance.' I think you'll enjoy it.

I believe Putin (Russian) was quoted as saying he prefered muslims to Christians; they were easier to control.

 

[logical4u]

This article hits the nail right on the head in my estimation. What do you think?

Rest of the OP here: American Thinker: The Left's Unlikely Alliance with Islam

The religious Right is much closer to the values of traditional Islam than the secular Left, especially their shared hatred for homosexuals. As for the treatment of women, the Left (not the Right) supported the sexual revolution, as middle Americans cringed at feminist bra burners in the 60s.

Follow the money. The Right has been lobbied hard to keep America hooked on Arabian black crack.

In the late 70s, Carter and the Left started to move the world toward alternative energy and conservation; they called for a moonshot in the form of a slow decrease of oil consumption over the next 30 years, which decrease would not only allow America to save precious military dollars (used to stabilize the Gulf), but would also leave America less vulnerable to oil shocks. [The goal was not to get off oil or replace the combustion engine overnight (if ever); the goal wasn't even to get out of the Middle East completely; rather, the goal was to slowly increase conservation and alternative sources in order to decrease reliance on unstable regions]. Carter's point: Less oil = less dependence = less money going to terrorists.

Essentially, Carter did not want America to wake up one day in 2004 with $4 gas, trapped in an Iraqi-Afghanistan quagmire, attempting to stabilize something that could not be stabilized. He was trying to save the country from financial ruin.

Reagan and the Right, backed heavily by big oil, accused Carter of exaggerating problems so big brother could take over energy. Once elected, Reagan tore down the solar panels and reversed all of Carter's measures to decrease American dependence on the Middle East. Reagan increased support to Saudi Arabia, removed Iraq from the list of terrorist nations, and sold weapons to Iran -- he moved America much deeper into the terrorist orbit. Bush 41 & Howard Baker -- Sacred Cows of the GOP -- formed deep business partnerships with the Saudi Royals through things like the Carlye Group. Enron (Bush 43's largest contributor) was busy working with the Taliban to get oil through Afghanistan to India. This is to say nothing of Halliburton's (Chaney's) massive interest in the Middle Eastern oil market.

Any departure from middle east crude would destroy the people who currently run the GOP.

This OP proves only one thing. The Right has created a comprehensive information machine that uses wedge issues to distract people from underlying economic partnerships formed in order to ensure access to oil --partnerships which have made the most violent, radical parts of Islam stronger. The post-Nixon Right can be seen (in some ways) as a brilliant oil play. [Welcome to the travels of profit. Oil is the most profitable substance on earth: it is at the base of everything we do. Politicians like money] The last 30 years is the story of how oil profits entered the White House through Reagan and proceeded to build a vast infrastructure of electoral funding, money loops, and legislative/regulatory favors -- wrapped in a well funded information machine, used to distract the serfs with gay marriage and muslim evil-doers as they quietly propel the American lifestyle deeper into the terrorist petrol bosom.

The first electric car movement was killed for a reason. It was killed with every other attempt to decrease American dependence on terrorist nations. It was killed because Big Oil infiltrated America's greatest political party.

Attention Republicans: you've been lied to. You're just as dumb as the Left.

The sexual revolution: free love: you don't have to be a baby machine (now you can be a penis recepticle and kill your babies), the expansion of pornography, increase in in domestic violence, increase in child abuse, and if your man finds something better, it is easier to dump you. Did I say thank you for that whole "sexual revolution" thing?

Follow the money; would that be the George Soros money invested in Obama to get USA gov loans for his Brazilian OIL development? How much money do you think Obama will get in "kickbacks" off of that? Soros is also heavily invested in "alternative energies" (where the gov dumped a lot of stimulus money). Do you want to watch that money or are you going to pretend your man is squeaky clean, there too?

Yo genius! We have always used oil, before petroleum was 'refined', we used olive oil, and then whale oil. Oil is used for most products we use. It is relatively inexpensive, versitile, and 'fairly' easy to get (it beats killing whales and butchering them for blubber).

Until geniuses like you figure out how to make 'alternative' energy more economical, most of us will be thrilled with good ol' petro.

Yes we have been lied to, there is no distinction between islam the government and islam the religion. If you have one you have the other. It is a system of conquest and war. There are really good people that use the spiritual side, but they support jihad (it is a requirement of the the religion), financially if they donate to islamic cause. If you want to show me where "islam" improved any country, technically, technologically, socially, economically, I would love to see the stats.

 

[Kalam]

Does anybody take this dipshit seriously?

Why are you a slave?

And is this funny to you, slave?

All of your comically stupid posts are funny to me.

Please, continue...