The Israel lobby IS far TOO powerful.

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One would think that the people who run this message board, the ones who have the US flag, and the Constitution of the US in its banner, would be the ones who protect all points of view. Including those of two professors who have taken the dangerous plunge into writing about the ultimate taboo,, the almighty Jewish Lobby in Washington, D.C..

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"In this paper, John J. Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago's Department of Political Science and Stephen M.Walt of Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government contend that the centerpiece of U.S. Middle East policy is its intimate relationship with Israel."

(( Highlight "intimate relationship with Israel",, my spin on this::: "The Lobby" has got the Congress bent over a chair and is having its way with the members, at will, and with consent)) :dev2:

I understand that the two fear for their lives as the Jewish Lobby hunts them (in terms of destroying careers) down as though they, the professors (US citizens, who thought they were protected by the First Amendment to the US Constitution) were members of the Nazi Regime.

Although I have not read the entire document, but plan on doing so, I have seen enough of it to say,, so what is new?? All of what they have said, at least what I have read, was part of that US Congressional Report that I asked assistance from YOU beauties in locating. In that report, many of the issues that the two men wrote about can be found as fact,,, if you grant that the government's document was evidently paid for with US taxpayers dollars, and printed up, and stored in, a US governmental agency. That being The Congressional Library.

OK, so what ever. I would expect anyone who is critical of Israel, or the Jews who make up THE MOST POWERFUL lobbying group,,, aka The Jewish Lobby, would be viciously attacked by that same lobby. Since they are, everything seems pretty normal. But, that doesn't make it right.

John J. Mearsheimer, and Stephen Walt are true heroes!
Their courage is far beyond mine, and perhaps many who post their words of wit on this message forum, and who hide in their anonymous state. Protected by their "username" and firewalls. Mearsheimer and Walt exposed themselves as true warriors and put their "packages" on the table. Real men do things like this. That is why they are leaders, and not followers. Colin Powell showed a smidgeon of this "right stuff".. George Bush, the senior did too.

If you people think you are so smart, here is another challenge for you. Go back to 1992, even 1990. Research the voter approval from the beginning of the 1990, into 1991 with GW senior. Then check out the media reporting to see if it was consistent with the polls. As you approach the summer of 1992, check out the archives for the meetings held by AIPAC, and the Jewish Democratic Convention. Stuart Eisenstat was the leader of the group at the time; see what his remarks were when he had his arm around that senior Democrat HOSEBAG from Texas, Ann Richards. Then,, when you personally witness this information, you come back and tell me that the two professors were wrong.

The reason I make these challenges is so that the skeptics can see for themselves, after checking the FACTS, that on some issues I am probably more correct than not.

PS.. I wasn't going to bother posting on this board until after the November elections. But, this story is way too important to ignore, or let get shoved under the carpet.

I have little doubt that the Republicans are going to get their asses handed to them. And at that time I will regretfully have to tell you that I TOLD YOU SO!!
 
A bit more about it:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/24/AR2006032402147_pf.html


Of Israel, Harvard and David Duke

Sunday, March 26, 2006; B05

International relations scholars John J. Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago and Stephen M. Walt of Harvard University ignited a furious debate last week with their lengthy essay "The Israel Lobby," appearing in the London Review of Books. Their argument -- that the influence of a powerful pro-Israel lobby in the United States threatens U.S. national security -- has reverberated through academic and policy circles, the media and the blogosphere. A sampling of their article and the ongoing controversy:

THE ESSAY

"Since the October War in 1973, Washington has provided Israel with a level of support dwarfing that given to any other state. It has been the largest annual recipient of direct economic and military assistance since 1976, and is the largest recipient in total since World War II, to the tune of well over $140 billion (in 2004 dollars). Israel receives about $3 billion in direct assistance each year, roughly one-fifth of the foreign aid budget, and worth about $500 a year for every Israeli. . . .

Other recipients get their money in quarterly installments, but Israel receives its entire appropriation at the beginning of each fiscal year and can thus earn interest on it. Most recipients of aid given for military purposes are required to spend all of it in the U.S., but Israel is allowed to use roughly 25 percent of its allocation to subsidize its own defense industry. It is the only recipient that does not have to account for how the aid is spent, which makes it virtually impossible to prevent the money from being used for purposes the U.S. opposes, such as building settlements on the West Bank. Moreover, the U.S. has provided Israel with nearly $3 billion to develop weapons systems, and given it access to such top-drawer weaponry as Blackhawk helicopters and F-16 jets. Finally, the U.S. gives Israel access to intelligence it denies to its NATO allies and has turned a blind eye to Israel's acquisition of nuclear weapons. . . .

Since 1982, the U.S. has vetoed 32 Security Council resolutions critical of Israel, more than the total number of vetoes cast by all the other Security Council members. . . .

aying that Israel and the U.S. are united by a shared terrorist threat has the causal relationship backwards: The U.S. has a terrorism problem in good part because it is so closely allied with Israel, not the other way around. . . .

[T]he Lobby's campaign for regime change in Iran and Syria could lead the U.S. to attack those countries, with potentially disastrous effects. We don't need another Iraq. . . ."
THE CONTROVERSY

Harvard Law professor Alan M. Dershowitz: "These are two serious scholars and you need to expose what they have done as ignorant propaganda." (Jerusalem Post)

Juancole.com: "Political scientists John Mearsheimer (University of Chicago) and Stephen Walt (Harvard) bravely take on the issue of the pro-Israel lobby in Washington and the way it distorts U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Most American Jews deeply disagree with the policies advocated by the American Enterprise Institute, the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs, etc., but a sliver of the political spectrum, falsely insisting that it represents all American Jews, manages to skew U.S. politics and reporting on the issue of Palestine."

Dennis Ross, President Clinton's Middle East envoy: "It is basically a series of assertions. They quote only those people who basically have this point of view and don't take a serious look at anything in a more profound way. It is masquerading as scholarship." (New York Sun)

Rosner's Blog: "The new study . . . presents an interesting dilemma to the writer: Do you ignore it -- having concluded it is biased, one-sided, foolish, repetitive, and most of all, has nothing new to offer -- or do you write about it, knowing that the 'Harvard,' 'Chicago,' 'professors,' 'Kennedy School' labels will make it acceptable anyway, even newsworthy, in the eyes of many. In short: Does one need cooperate with the advancement of the cause of academic garbage?" (Haaretz.com)

David Duke: "It is quite satisfying to see a body in the premier American university essentially come out and validate every major point I have been making since even before the war even started." (New York Sun)

Danieldrezner.com : "Walt and Mearsheimer should not be criticized as anti-Semites, because that's patently false. They should be criticized for doing piss-poor, monocausal social science."

Ruth R. Wisse: "t would be a mistake to treat this article on the 'Israel Lobby' as an attack on Israel alone, or on its Jewish defenders, or on the organizations and individuals it singles out for condemnation. Its true target is the American public, which now supports Israel with higher levels of confidence than ever before." (Wall Street Journal)

Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America: "Even a cursory examination of 'The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy' reveals that it is riddled with errors of fact, logic and omission, has inaccurate citations, displays extremely poor judgment regarding sources, and, contrary to basic scholarly standards, ignores previous serious work on the subject."

THE FALLOUT

Mearsheimer and Walt's study appeared earlier this month as an 83-page "Faculty Research Working Paper" on the Web site of Harvard's John F. Kennedy School of Government, where Walt serves as academic dean. Following the uproar, the Kennedy School discreetly removed its logo from the paper, and the document now features a more detailed and prominent disclaimer: "The two authors of this Working Paper are solely responsible for the views expressed in it. As academic institutions, Harvard University and the University of Chicago do not take positions on the scholarship of individual faculty, and this article should not be interpreted or portrayed as reflecting the official position of either institution."
 
These two basically did a great summarizing what we already knew, and showed us why the media cannot discuss this fairly.

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How do we exert power? Via fear. Do you ever wonder why both Democrats and Republicans fall all over themselves to kiss up to Israel? Odd, since Israel is the size of Rhode Island… The fact is, many of our politicians – on both sides – have been compromised by CIA and Mossad for years. It’s actually not admiration they are expressing for Israel, but fear. Notice Lindsay Graham and Chuck Schumer repeating the same salute when it comes to Israel. How does that even happen? The American people are finally seeing that there is no two-party system, but one big shadow Government pretending we have political dichotomy.

Q. So PedoGate is real and “they” have to get Americans to disbelieve it?

A. Let me explain how threatening PedoGate is… Who wins? Trump. Putin. Americans. Russians. The world…. Who loses? Israel, since they no longer can blackmail our politicians, the same goes for the CIA. The Shadow Government loses. But, the people win.

Q. Can you give me specific instances of politicians being compromised by Israel?

A. Sure. Lolita Island. Jeffery Epstein, a billionaire convicted of pedophilia received a soft sentence. His island was rigged with video recorders. Many politicians have been compromised. It was a Mossad/CIA operation. Contact ex-senior CIA CCS, Robert David Steele. Bob knows and has even spoken about this with numerous reporters.

Q. So an ex-CIA senior agent named Robert Steele is on record saying Epstein’s island was a honey trap to lure our most powerful politicians into a extortion scheme?

A. Yes. There are videos of some of the most powerful players in the most humiliating positions. If this gets out, not only are the politicians ruined, but the extortion game is over and suddenly, the influence CIA and Mossad wield over Washington, is gone.

DHS Insider Warns "It's Spy Versus Spy" | Zero Hedge
 
How do we exert power? Via fear. Do you ever wonder why both Democrats and Republicans fall all over themselves to kiss up to Israel? Odd, since Israel is the size of Rhode Island… The fact is, many of our politicians – on both sides – have been compromised by CIA and Mossad for years. It’s actually not admiration they are expressing for Israel, but fear. Notice Lindsay Graham and Chuck Schumer repeating the same salute when it comes to Israel. How does that even happen? The American people are finally seeing that there is no two-party system, but one big shadow Government pretending we have political dichotomy.

Q. So PedoGate is real and “they” have to get Americans to disbelieve it?

A. Let me explain how threatening PedoGate is… Who wins? Trump. Putin. Americans. Russians. The world…. Who loses? Israel, since they no longer can blackmail our politicians, the same goes for the CIA. The Shadow Government loses. But, the people win.

Q. Can you give me specific instances of politicians being compromised by Israel?

A. Sure. Lolita Island. Jeffery Epstein, a billionaire convicted of pedophilia received a soft sentence. His island was rigged with video recorders. Many politicians have been compromised. It was a Mossad/CIA operation. Contact ex-senior CIA CCS, Robert David Steele. Bob knows and has even spoken about this with numerous reporters.

Q. So an ex-CIA senior agent named Robert Steele is on record saying Epstein’s island was a honey trap to lure our most powerful politicians into a extortion scheme?

A. Yes. There are videos of some of the most powerful players in the most humiliating positions. If this gets out, not only are the politicians ruined, but the extortion game is over and suddenly, the influence CIA and Mossad wield over Washington, is gone.

DHS Insider Warns "It's Spy Versus Spy" | Zero Hedge

These long, conspiracy theory laden cut and paste articles from obscure blogs are hilarious.
 
The wealthy Jews control the world, in their hands lies the fate of governments and nations. They set governments one against the other. When the wealthy Jews play, the nations and the rulers dance. One way or the other, they get rich.” — Theodore Herzl
 
How do we exert power? Via fear. Do you ever wonder why both Democrats and Republicans fall all over themselves to kiss up to Israel? Odd, since Israel is the size of Rhode Island… The fact is, many of our politicians – on both sides – have been compromised by CIA and Mossad for years. It’s actually not admiration they are expressing for Israel, but fear. Notice Lindsay Graham and Chuck Schumer repeating the same salute when it comes to Israel. How does that even happen? The American people are finally seeing that there is no two-party system, but one big shadow Government pretending we have political dichotomy.

Q. So PedoGate is real and “they” have to get Americans to disbelieve it?

A. Let me explain how threatening PedoGate is… Who wins? Trump. Putin. Americans. Russians. The world…. Who loses? Israel, since they no longer can blackmail our politicians, the same goes for the CIA. The Shadow Government loses. But, the people win.

Q. Can you give me specific instances of politicians being compromised by Israel?

A. Sure. Lolita Island. Jeffery Epstein, a billionaire convicted of pedophilia received a soft sentence. His island was rigged with video recorders. Many politicians have been compromised. It was a Mossad/CIA operation. Contact ex-senior CIA CCS, Robert David Steele. Bob knows and has even spoken about this with numerous reporters.

Q. So an ex-CIA senior agent named Robert Steele is on record saying Epstein’s island was a honey trap to lure our most powerful politicians into a extortion scheme?

A. Yes. There are videos of some of the most powerful players in the most humiliating positions. If this gets out, not only are the politicians ruined, but the extortion game is over and suddenly, the influence CIA and Mossad wield over Washington, is gone.

DHS Insider Warns "It's Spy Versus Spy" | Zero Hedge

These long, conspiracy theory laden cut and paste articles from obscure blogs are hilarious.
Hilarious they may appear to you as a jew but as an American are you not: embarrassed by a foreign power entrapping your political leaders?
 
It always has been! Israel has way too much influence over US policy! We need separation between the two countries. Remember "America First " not "Israel First "
 
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How do we exert power? Via fear. Do you ever wonder why both Democrats and Republicans fall all over themselves to kiss up to Israel? Odd, since Israel is the size of Rhode Island… The fact is, many of our politicians – on both sides – have been compromised by CIA and Mossad for years. It’s actually not admiration they are expressing for Israel, but fear. Notice Lindsay Graham and Chuck Schumer repeating the same salute when it comes to Israel. How does that even happen? The American people are finally seeing that there is no two-party system, but one big shadow Government pretending we have political dichotomy.

Q. So PedoGate is real and “they” have to get Americans to disbelieve it?

A. Let me explain how threatening PedoGate is… Who wins? Trump. Putin. Americans. Russians. The world…. Who loses? Israel, since they no longer can blackmail our politicians, the same goes for the CIA. The Shadow Government loses. But, the people win.

Q. Can you give me specific instances of politicians being compromised by Israel?

A. Sure. Lolita Island. Jeffery Epstein, a billionaire convicted of pedophilia received a soft sentence. His island was rigged with video recorders. Many politicians have been compromised. It was a Mossad/CIA operation. Contact ex-senior CIA CCS, Robert David Steele. Bob knows and has even spoken about this with numerous reporters.

Q. So an ex-CIA senior agent named Robert Steele is on record saying Epstein’s island was a honey trap to lure our most powerful politicians into a extortion scheme?

A. Yes. There are videos of some of the most powerful players in the most humiliating positions. If this gets out, not only are the politicians ruined, but the extortion game is over and suddenly, the influence CIA and Mossad wield over Washington, is gone.

DHS Insider Warns "It's Spy Versus Spy" | Zero Hedge

These long, conspiracy theory laden cut and paste articles from obscure blogs are hilarious.
Hilarious they may appear to you as a jew but as an American are you not: embarrassed by a foreign power entrapping your political leaders?

Another conspiracy theory?
 
This board is infested with American Israel Firster "Useful Idiots" non-Jews, American Jew Israel Firsters, and Israeli right wingers. Some of whom are Hasbara trained agents. All will accuse American patriots that see through the Israeli/Zionist propaganda of being Antisemitic. So, be ready for the personal attacks.

Unless they are dual US/Israeli citizens, one can't fault the Israeli right-wingers that post here. They are Israeli patriots and the interests of Israel should reign supreme with them, but non-Jewish American "Useful Idiots", American citizen Jews, and dual citizen Israel Firsters are a despicable bunch. Just imagine if another hyphenated American group, e.g. Turkish-Americans were so strident in their support for Turkey's interests in their oppression of the Kurds.
 
This board is infested with American Israel Firster "Useful Idiots" non-Jews, American Jew Israel Firsters, and Israeli right wingers. Some of whom are Hasbara trained agents. All will accuse American patriots that see through the Israeli/Zionist propaganda of being Antisemitic. So, be ready for the personal attacks.

Unless they are dual US/Israeli citizens, one can't fault the Israeli right-wingers that post here. They are Israeli patriots and the interests of Israel should reign supreme with them, but non-Jewish American "Useful Idiots", American citizen Jews, and dual citizen Israel Firsters are a despicable bunch. Just imagine if another hyphenated American group, e.g. Turkish-Americans were so strident in their support for Turkey's interests in their oppression of the Kurds.

Coming from one of the CAIR-firsts, that was pretty funny.
 
This board is infested with American Israel Firster "Useful Idiots" non-Jews, American Jew Israel Firsters, and Israeli right wingers. Some of whom are Hasbara trained agents. All will accuse American patriots that see through the Israeli/Zionist propaganda of being Antisemitic. So, be ready for the personal attacks.

Unless they are dual US/Israeli citizens, one can't fault the Israeli right-wingers that post here. They are Israeli patriots and the interests of Israel should reign supreme with them, but non-Jewish American "Useful Idiots", American citizen Jews, and dual citizen Israel Firsters are a despicable bunch. Just imagine if another hyphenated American group, e.g. Turkish-Americans were so strident in their support for Turkey's interests in their oppression of the Kurds.

Coming from one of the CAIR-firsts, that was pretty funny.

What is CAIR?
 
This board is infested with American Israel Firster "Useful Idiots" non-Jews, American Jew Israel Firsters, and Israeli right wingers. Some of whom are Hasbara trained agents. All will accuse American patriots that see through the Israeli/Zionist propaganda of being Antisemitic. So, be ready for the personal attacks.

Unless they are dual US/Israeli citizens, one can't fault the Israeli right-wingers that post here. They are Israeli patriots and the interests of Israel should reign supreme with them, but non-Jewish American "Useful Idiots", American citizen Jews, and dual citizen Israel Firsters are a despicable bunch. Just imagine if another hyphenated American group, e.g. Turkish-Americans were so strident in their support for Turkey's interests in their oppression of the Kurds.

Coming from one of the CAIR-firsts, that was pretty funny.

What is CAIR?

C.A.I.R. is an anti American Muslim terrorist supporting organization posing as a charity.

FBI Cuts Off CAIR Over Hamas Questions
 

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