The Iron Law of power density and the myth of solar and wind energy .....

[2aguy]

If You Spell Mike "Mic," It's a Sign That Your Brain Has Gone on Stric

Since plants can't be eaten in the winter, man had to store carbohydrates as fat to avoid starvation until spring. Excess protein and fat are excreted, though.

Lying nutritionists, bribed by General Foods and Nabisco, use the Greek-derived terms "carbohydrates and protein," but, instead of using the Greek "lipids" for fat, these mercenary mentors use the English word just to make suckers think that eating dietary fat must make us fat.

It is interesting that you don't see a lot of the "Carnivore," diet enthusiasts, who eat only meat.....becoming politically aware, considering their source of nutrition is under direct attack by these left wing asshats.....

 

[Woodznutz]

If You Spell Mike "Mic," It's a Sign That Your Brain Has Gone on Stric

Mic drop - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[jc456]

jc456,
If you really want to be amused watch this video. The presenters stress the importance of protein in a healthy diet.

Hahaha the most protein is eggs and your experts warn against eating them!! Hahaha

 

[Woodznutz]

Hahaha the most protein is eggs and your experts warn against eating them!! Hahaha

It went completely over your head. They didn't mention dietary protein by name once.

The question is, how is it even possible for anyone claiming to know anything about health and nutrition to ignore the importance of protein in the diet of people who are obese?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

It is interesting that you don't see a lot of the "Carnivore," diet enthusiasts, who eat only meat.....becoming politically aware, considering their source of nutrition is under direct attack by these left wing asshats.....

Don't Do Hindu. Cast Away Caste.

Nature has a way of reinforcing itself. For most of human history, it took a lot of courage to hunt wild animals. Courage threatens tyranny. A sign of American cowardice is submission to hereditary power. A real man would challenge that, saying, "If we had to do it on our own, so must the brats of the rich."

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Mic drop - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

By Design, Ignorant, Unstructured, and Dysfunctional Language Leads to Ignorant, Unstructured, and Dysfunctional Thought

A permissive dictionary is a "contradiction in terms," which those who parrot the media's destruction of language would call an "oxymoron," which actually means practically the opposite of the way the On-Air AirHeads tell us to use it.

 

[Crick]

Don't Do Hindu. Cast Away Caste.

Nature has a way of reinforcing itself. For most of human history, it took a lot of courage to hunt wild animals. Courage threatens tyranny. A sign of American cowardice is submission to hereditary power. A real man would challenge that, saying, "If we had to do it on our own, so must the brats of the rich."

Just out of curiosity, why do you think being a "real man" requires being a bitter, shortsighted fool? Oh, wait, never mind.

 

[justoffal]

I think he ran off when he found out Farasan Island has 12,000 permanent residents.

Um.... That's not impressive at all...

 

[justoffal]

How many people on that island genius?

3 1/2

 

[justoffal]

Saudi Arabia’s first solar power station inaugurated on Farasan Island

<p>Saudi Arabia inaugurated its first solar power station on Sunday. It is located on Farasan Island and will produce 864,000 kilowatts.<br/><br/>The station, which contains 6,000 solar cells, was built by ...</br/></br/></p>

english.alarabiya.net

Are you serious?....all of that hardware and not even one Gig?

 

[Crick]

Good article that covers the myths of solar and wind energy......again, this isn't about creating cheap, reliable, plentiful energy...this is about reducing the availability of American energy so that the elite can dictate to us where we can live, what we can drive, how big our families are, what we can eat......

If you don't understand this, you don't know what is going on....

Wind and solar are remarkably inefficient, which means that they require enormous amounts of raw materials. Using wind and solar to supply the world’s energy needs is not possible, but even attempting it would require the biggest mining, manufacturing, transportation and construction project since the Industrial Revolution.

This chart shows the raw materials required by wind and solar compared with other energy sources:

Let me know when liberals are prepared to green light the enormous amount of mining needed to produce those minerals. These days, we can’t even build a dam.

But along with mineral resources, the land needed for wind and solar installations is an important constraint:

The Prophet of Power Density

That would be energy expert Robert Bryce. At Substack, he demolishes the Left’s latest “green” fantasies, beginning with the same Paul Krugman column that Steve noted here. None o…

www.powerlineblog.com

The Substack story this article is covering....


None of the claims in Krugman’s August 7 column are new. For years, academics from elite universities, climate activists, leaders of the anti-industry industry, and legacy media outlets (and the New York Times in particular) have been peddling shopworn claims about “all-gain-no-pain” renewables.

You’ve no doubt heard them: renewables are cheap and getting cheaper, wind and solar energy are the future, and the main reason that conservatives and knuckle-dragging rural landowners are opposing massive renewable projects all across America is that they don’t understand “science.”

That’s the spin. Here’s the reality: the conspiracy against wind and solar is one of basic math and simple physics. It’s not conservatives who are wrong on “science,” it’s liberals like Krugman and his myriad allies in the climate claque who refuse to recognize (or even discuss) the physical limits on our energy and power networks.
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Corn ethanol, wind, and solar are not only dependent on the weather, they are also cursed with low power density. (About 1 watt per square meter for wind and 10 watts per square meter for solar.) That means that like ethanol, they, too, require vast amounts of land. They also require vast amounts of copper, zinc, molybdenum, silicon, and rare earth elements like neodymium. With inflation hitting commodities of all kinds, the mineral intensity of wind and solar is hitting the bottom lines of the big renewable companies.
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Since Bruch’s TV appearance, the problems at Siemens Energy have worsened. Last week, the German company announced it lost $2.4 billion on its wind business in the latest quarter and it expects to lose $4.9 billion in 2023 due to costly fixes it will have to make to wind turbines it has sold. What happened? In the ongoing effort to wring more electricity from the diffused energy in wind, Siemens has made bigger and bigger machines with longer and longer blades. In doing so, they made the turbines more fragile and thus more likely to break. On August 7, the same day Krugman’s column was published in the Times, Reuters reported that in addition to the multi-billion-dollar loss the company:

The Power Of Power Density

Paul Krugman hypes renewables in the New York Times, but the Iron Law of Power Density won’t be repealed

robertbryce.substack.com

Just a couple comments off the top of my head. The active materials used in solar panels are lain down in a thin film. A typical solar panel is 65 x 39 inches with an active film 200 - 500 microns thick. That amounts to a total volume of about 35 cubic inches of material per panel. Just for visualization, you could produce 1,333 panels from one cubic yard of such material.

Wind turbines these days, produce 12-15 MWatts each. A typical gas-fired power plant produces about 500 MW. So about 40 turbines replaces one power plant. A 500 MW power plant is not an inconsequential thing.

For scale, near the middle of the right edge, you can see two or three automobiles

As you can see from the first photograph, there are four of these assemblies in the plant

The fuel farm and fueling jetty

If this plant were burning coal, it would consume 1.5 million metric tons per year.
If this plant were burning natural gas, it would consume 32,500,000 cubic feet of natural gas per year

I suspect the fuel outmasses the turbines, particularly over their 25 year lifespan.

 

[progressive hunter]

 

[Crick]

We've already seen this. Have you come up with a solution?

 

[progressive hunter]

We've already seen this. Have you come up with a solution?

first thing to do is not do things that dont work and then the government out if it and let the market decide,,

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Just a couple comments off the top of my head. The active materials used in solar panels are lain down in a thin film. A typical solar panel is 65 x 39 inches with an active film 200 - 500 microns thick. That amounts to a total volume of about 35 cubic inches of material per panel. Just for visualization, you could produce 1,333 panels from one cubic yard of such material.

Wind turbines these days, produce 12-15 MWatts each. A typical gas-fired power plant produces about 500 MW. So about 40 turbines replaces one power plant. A 500 MW power plant is not an inconsequential thing.
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For scale, near the middle of the right edge, you can see two or three automobiles
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As you can see from the first photograph, there are four of these assemblies in the plant
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The fuel farm and fueling jetty

If this plant were burning coal, it would consume 1.5 million metric tons per year.
If this plant were burning natural gas, it would consume 32,500,000 cubic feet of natural gas per year

I suspect the fuel outmasses the turbines, particularly over their 25 year lifespan.

Wind turbines these days, produce 12-15 MWatts each.

For how long? A few hours a day?

 

[ding]

Wind turbines these days, produce 12-15 MWatts each.

You sure about that?

Wind Turbines: the Bigger, the Better

Since the early 2000s, wind turbines have grown in size—in both height and blade lengths—and generate more energy. What’s driving this growth? Let’s take a closer look.

www.energy.gov

 

[Crick]

first thing to do is not do things that dont work

Quite obviously, wind and solar DO work and do so without producing GHGs.

and then the government out if it

If the government wasn't in it it wouldn't get done. We have to stop emitting GHGs and the market is not capable of accomplishing that.

and let the market decide

Sorry, but no. This isn't an option.

 

[progressive hunter]

Quite obviously, wind and solar DO work and do so without producing GHGs.

If the government wasn't in it it wouldn't get done. We have to stop emitting GHGs and the market is not capable of accomplishing that.

Sorry, but no. This isn't an option.

sure solar and wind work,, but when you consider the manufacuring,mantainance and disposal it doesnt amount to a net zero,, in some cases its dirtier than what we currently have with fossils,,

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You sure about that?

Wind Turbines: the Bigger, the Better

Since the early 2000s, wind turbines have grown in size—in both height and blade lengths—and generate more energy. What’s driving this growth? Let’s take a closer look.

www.energy.gov

Ouch!

Maybe he used Mike's Nature Trick?

It's been known to give bad data.

 

[ding]

Wind turbines these days, produce 12-15 MWatts each. A typical gas-fired power plant produces about 500 MW. So about 40 turbines replaces one power plant. A 500 MW power plant is not an inconsequential thing.

How many would that be at 3 MW each?