The Impossibility of the Democrat Fantasy Electric World

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Snow go for NYC’s electric garbage trucks that can’t handle winter weather​

Don’t count on seeing electric garbage trucks plowing snow from city streets any time soon.

The city Department of Sanitation's goals to become carbon neutral are clashing with the limits of electric-powered vehicles.

The department aims to switch all 6,000 vehicles in its fleet from gas to electric as part of the state’s goal to reduce emissions by 2040. But city officials say they haven’t found electric garbage trucks that are powerful enough to plow snow.

The department has ordered seven electric rear loader garbage trucks, custom-made by Mack and costing more than $523,000 each, with delivery slated for the spring. Used for curbside trash collection, the department’s current rear loader truck fleet runs on diesel and is outfitted with plows to clear streets during snow season.

But officials say previous electric trucks tested by sanitation have not lasted longer than four hours plowing snow before running out of power, and the new electric trucks will be used for trash collection but not plowing snow.

“We found that they could not plow the snow effectively – they basically conked out after four hours. We need them to go 12 hours,” Sanitation Commissioner Jessica Tisch told the City Council last month. “Given the current state of the technology, I don't see today a path forward to fully electrifying the rear loader portion of the fleet by 2040.

Snow go for NYC’s electric garbage trucks that can’t handle winter weather

The Sanitation Department’s carbon neutral goals face the limits of electric-powered vehicles.

gothamist.com

This came as a surprise to far too many people, I am sure.

Or… democrats are retarded baboons.

 

[hadit]

I never thought you were thinking. Your posts are made up shit.

Then stop pretending you know what someone is thinking.

 

[Mac-7]

The only way anyone can survive off the grid IS WITH renewables.

Not so

Biogas can replace solar or propane but its labor intensive

 

[Dagosa]

Not so

Biogas can replace solar or propane but its labor intensive

Bio gas ? Ha ha ha ha

That requires so much work it’s not even feasible. You have to “ mine it” like you do other fossil fuels. Renewables…..Once a source is found, there is little to no on going labor after set up, just maintenance as there would be for any generation. ITS FREE after 5hat.
BTW, propane is a fossil fuel That has to be processed from natural gas it is found with….
solar, wind, thermal, hydro….all produce energy that’s converted to electricity IMMEDIATELY with no processing.

 

[Mac-7]

That requires so much work it’s not even feasible.

You are too late

I already said its labor intensive

But you want to live off grid so what else do you have to do all day?

 

[Dagosa]

You are too late

I already said its labor intensive

But you want to live off grid so what else do you have to do all day?

Really, you don’t think you can still have a life ?
Living off the area and national grid is something many states are working for NOW. You're confused.

Some are towns in the US are already independent and many, like our state, is producing so much renewable with so little labor, they are selling it during surplus production.
They are “off the grid“ as far as use is concerned.
Its getting easier and easier with renewables.
42k people in Vt

• 1. Burlington, VT, America’s First 100% Renewable City Back in 2014, Burlington, the most populous city in Vermont (42,000 inhabitants), set the stage and became the first US city to run on 100% renewables. ...
• 2. Greensburg, KS, Rising Green From the Ashes ...
• 3. Aspen, CO, Third on the Clean Power Podium ...
• 4. Scituate, MA, Follows in the Steps ...
• 5. Las Vegas, NV. ...

Invest and play your cards right, it becomes your retirement income. Don’t and keep depending on fossil fuels…and you pay plenty The rest of your life.

 

[Mac-7]

Really, you don’t think you can still have a life ?
Living off the area and national grid is something many states are working for NOW. You're confused.

Some are towns in the US are already independent and many, like our state, is producing so much renewable with so little labor, they are selling it during surplus production.
They are “off the grid“ as far as use is concerned.
Its getting easier and easier with renewables.
42k people in Vt

• 1. Burlington, VT, America’s First 100% Renewable City Back in 2014, Burlington, the most populous city in Vermont (42,000 inhabitants), set the stage and became the first US city to run on 100% renewables. ...
• 2. Greensburg, KS, Rising Green From the Ashes ...
• 3. Aspen, CO, Third on the Clean Power Podium ...
• 4. Scituate, MA, Follows in the Steps ...
• 5. Las Vegas, NV. ...

You misuse the term “living off the grid”

 

[Dagosa]

You misuse the term “living off the grid”

Not me, you do. When entire towns become renewable, their independent residents can choose to live off the grid, more easily. The only reason you'd every want to be connected to the grid, is to make money. You seem to be under the impression that renewables are only a way to avoid fossil fuels.

Depending upon your location, it used to be only the independents were those who sat on an oil deposited in Texas. Now, it’s anyone with access to deep water wells, a stream, abundant sunlight, wind, ocean frontage ….etc. renewable energy is accessible to the majority, not the minority….they will all have the option of living of the grid.

 

[Dagosa]

Snow go for NYC’s electric garbage trucks that can’t handle winter weather​

Don’t count on seeing electric garbage trucks plowing snow from city streets any time soon.

The city Department of Sanitation's goals to become carbon neutral are clashing with the limits of electric-powered vehicles.

The department aims to switch all 6,000 vehicles in its fleet from gas to electric as part of the state’s goal to reduce emissions by 2040. But city officials say they haven’t found electric garbage trucks that are powerful enough to plow snow.

The department has ordered seven electric rear loader garbage trucks, custom-made by Mack and costing more than $523,000 each, with delivery slated for the spring. Used for curbside trash collection, the department’s current rear loader truck fleet runs on diesel and is outfitted with plows to clear streets during snow season.

But officials say previous electric trucks tested by sanitation have not lasted longer than four hours plowing snow before running out of power, and the new electric trucks will be used for trash collection but not plowing snow.

“We found that they could not plow the snow effectively – they basically conked out after four hours. We need them to go 12 hours,” Sanitation Commissioner Jessica Tisch told the City Council last month. “Given the current state of the technology, I don't see today a path forward to fully electrifying the rear loader portion of the fleet by 2040.

Snow go for NYC’s electric garbage trucks that can’t handle winter weather

The Sanitation Department’s carbon neutral goals face the limits of electric-powered vehicles.

gothamist.com

This came as a surprise to far too many people, I am sure.

Ha ha. Not really. Any fool knows that batteries don’t have the energy density of gasoline or diesel. Towing and push are not EVs forte yet. But they will be. In the meantime, their use is restricted.

 

[ChemEngineer]

no. i wouldn't say that but they're not the problem the left wants you to think they are. Nature made pollution like volcanoes are the bigger polluters. Do ya think God would create a world that did not have the capacity to 'clean' itself. You do know that oil leaks in the ocean all the time, dontcha? Nature has the capacity to clean up oil spills. Look at the major oil spills over the last 40 to 50 years but then, left media doesn't really want you knowing all that.

you do realize how poisonous evs are to the environment? like the big windmills that produce 'oh so much energy' are bird killers...but then who cares about that when big business and big gov't are the culprits.

The Green Energy Push is pure bullshit. It's a scam. Just like everything else the left pushes.

You are wasting your brilliant, beautiful time on a gullible totalitarian who cannot learn
because he does not want to. Please, ignore it.

 

[Dagosa]

You are wasting your brilliant, beautiful time on a gullible totalitarian who cannot learn
because he does not want to. Please, ignore it.

Everyone should be ignoring ChemEngineer

 

[Vrenn]

You are wasting your brilliant, beautiful time on a gullible totalitarian who cannot learn
because he does not want to. Please, ignore it.

Th original Green Scam started out with Eisenhower, continued with Nixon and by 1973, we had air we could breathe and the snow was no longer black. Other parts of the US started having live fish instead of the oily fish as before. You MAGAts all want to go back to those days? Sure and make sure you build your house at the bottom of a mountain so that you can get first hand experience in the mudslides.

 

[Dagosa]

Th original Green Scam started out with Eisenhower, continued with Nixon and by 1973, we had air we could breathe and the snow was no longer black. Other parts of the US started having live fish instead of the oily fish as before. You MAGAts all want to go back to those days? Sure and make sure you build your house at the bottom of a mountain so that you can get first hand experience in the mudslides.

And whale oil…We’ve yet to figure out when America was greater. When more people are dying of black lung then covid, then, America will be great again.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Hilarious, the sun is sbsolulty FREE. The sun is absolutely reliable. When was the last time the sun went out ?
Now you’re saying we can’t store electricity ? Are you that stupid ? We do it now everytime a fossil fuel plant breaks down or is shut down for repairs. Hydro power gives out more electricity iggy then NUKES do now .

You are foolish. . We store and shift sources of electricity already. We don’t store the sun dufus. .

The sun is absolutely reliable...really? Because I just went four DAYS without seeing it. (This is nothing remarkable in this area in January.) I won't see it tomorrow. By the end of the week, I expect another 3 days with zero sun.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Always using the term "efficient" when the real issue is solar powers intermittency.

The dam power runs 24-7. Solar does not.

It's a matter of religious zealotry for him.

Amazing, you think the sun is unreliable. The very same sun that-brought you your fossil fuels and drops more radiant energy on earth in an hour then mankind needs in a year. Let’s instead fight more wars over fossil fuels. Great idea by the dufus clan of science illiterates.

No matter how loudly you screech your dogma, it's still horseshit.

But I agree with one point: no more fossil fuel electricity. Long past time to get cracking on a few dozen advanced, fourth-generation nuclear power plants.

Snow go for NYC’s electric garbage trucks that can’t handle winter weather​

Don’t count on seeing electric garbage trucks plowing snow from city streets any time soon.

The city Department of Sanitation's goals to become carbon neutral are clashing with the limits of electric-powered vehicles.

The department aims to switch all 6,000 vehicles in its fleet from gas to electric as part of the state’s goal to reduce emissions by 2040. But city officials say they haven’t found electric garbage trucks that are powerful enough to plow snow.

The department has ordered seven electric rear loader garbage trucks, custom-made by Mack and costing more than $523,000 each, with delivery slated for the spring. Used for curbside trash collection, the department’s current rear loader truck fleet runs on diesel and is outfitted with plows to clear streets during snow season.

But officials say previous electric trucks tested by sanitation have not lasted longer than four hours plowing snow before running out of power, and the new electric trucks will be used for trash collection but not plowing snow.

“We found that they could not plow the snow effectively – they basically conked out after four hours. We need them to go 12 hours,” Sanitation Commissioner Jessica Tisch told the City Council last month. “Given the current state of the technology, I don't see today a path forward to fully electrifying the rear loader portion of the fleet by 2040.

Snow go for NYC’s electric garbage trucks that can’t handle winter weather

The Sanitation Department’s carbon neutral goals face the limits of electric-powered vehicles.

gothamist.com

This came as a surprise to far too many people, I am sure.

City trash pickup is probably the BEST possible application for a CNG-electric hybrid truck.

 

[Dagosa]

It's a matter of religious zealotry for him.

Whether solar energy is intermittent or not, it’s immaterial.
We store electricity. That’s not solar energy. We convert solar energy to electricity then we store it. We convert fossil fuel energy to electricity too, and we store it as well as we shift it from one area to another during heavy use. It’s a pretty stupid debate on the other side.

 

[Dagosa]

It's a matter of religious zealotry for him.



No matter how loudly you screech your dogma, it's still horseshit.

But I agree with one point: no more fossil fuel electricity. Long past time to get cracking on a few dozen advanced, fourth-generation nuclear power plants.



City trash pickup is probably the BEST possible application for a CNG-electric hybrid truck.

Until the energy density improves substantially in batteries , and it will within 5-10 years, hybrids are a more suitable application for electric power use in vehicles that engage in heavy use.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Whether solar energy is intermittent or not, it’s immaterial.
We store electricity. That’s not solar energy. We convert solar energy to electricity then we store it. We convert fossil fuel energy to electricity too, and we store it as well as we shift it from one area to another during heavy use. It’s a pretty stupid debate on the other side.

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ESG’s perverse, narrow, fraudulent ethical principles

Failure of basic fiduciary duties to investors is just the tip of ESG fraud iceberg

Paul Driessen

Warning: Your retirement fund may have been Shanghaied by BlackRock or other Wall Street asset managers who’ve unilaterally decided that the tens of trillions of dollars of other people’s money they control should be used to advance political causes they favor – to “make the world a better place.”

As most people know, ESG stands for Environmental protection, Social justice, and Governance of corporate and societal affairs. They’re all noble-sounding causes. However, under ESG they’re centered around progressive, woke agendas, with prevention of “manmade climate cataclysms” uppermost. Fund assets are used to drive “net zero” climate agendas and punish or de-fund fossil fuel companies.

That narrow focus creates serious problems. Those trillions of dollars are supposed to be passively invested in index and other funds, under fiduciary obligations to secure maximum returns in support of state, local, corporate and personal retirement and investment accounts. Under ESG, however, strong returns are too often sacrificed to serve politicized agendas, often in collusion with governments, activists and other financial institutions, and thus also in violation of antitrust laws and basic ethical principles.

That’s why Asset manager Vanguard recently left the UN-sponsored “Glasgow Financial Alliance for Net Zero.” Meanwhile, Arizona, Florida, Kentucky, Louisiana, Missouri, North Carolina, Texas, West Virginia and other states are pulling tens of billions of dollars out of BlackRock, State Street and other Wall Street asset management firms, for violating fiduciary duties. It’s just the tip of the fraud iceberg.

Woke ESG practitioners also employ narrow ES&G definitions to virtue-signal, pontificate and impose prescriptive agendas with little or no regard for the consequences. When the “existential threat of manmade climate change” is the primary arbiter, enormous problems associated with replacing fossil fuels with “clean renewable energy” are simply ignored, suppressed and censored out of the analysis.

People and planet realities absolutely have to be included in any ethical ESG analysis.

Environmental protection. Rather than looking only at the temperatures, storms, droughts, rising seas and other environmental costs that climate models falsely blame on fossil fuel emissions – any accurate and honest ESG scorecard must also assess the enormous ecological impacts from wind-solar-battery (WSB) energy systems that will supposedly replace oil, gas and coal.

WSB systems and associated transmission lines do not appear spontaneously, via Materials Acquisition for Global Industrial Change (MAGIC). They require mining on unprecedented scales. President Biden’s initial batch of offshore wind turbines alone would require 110,000 tons of copper, refined from 25,000,000 tons of ore, after removing 40,000,000 tons of overburden – plus millions of tons of iron, manganese, aluminum, nickel, concrete, plastics and other materials ... from billions of tons of ores.

Replacing all U.S. coal and gas electricity generation with WSB – plus gasoline vehicles and gas stoves and furnaces – would require tens of thousands of wind turbines, billions of solar panels, billions of battery modules for vehicles and backup electricity storage, and thousands of miles of new transmission lines. Has BlackRock calculated the ore body and mining requirements for that? For a global transition?

All those turbines, panels, modules, transmission lines, mines, processing plants and factories have to be located somewhere. Have the ESG potentates determined in whose backyards they will go? (Probably not Larry Fink’s or John Kerry’s.) Have they assessed the impacts on scenery, habitats, raptors and other wildlife? the air and water pollution from the mines and other operations? the likelihood that endangered right whaleswould be driven to extinction by wind turbine installations off the U.S. Atlantic Coast?

Do all these WSB mines, foundries, factories and impacts even get (obviously negative) ESG scores?

Social justice. ESG theology holds that the poor and people of color suffer most from climate change. In reality, they benefit most from having abundant, reliable, affordable fuels and electricity – for cars, jobs, modern homes, cooking, heat and air conditioning. In fact, the poor and people of color are not faring all that well in Britain and Europe, where the “transition to green energy” is well underway.

Over seven million British households have fallen into “fuel poverty” this winter, and special “warm rooms” have been set up to help people survive freezing weather. Recent headlines warn that Britain could have nationwide blackouts and extensive factory shutdowns and layoffs this winter. In Germany, families are stocking up on candles, so that they can at least read while they shiver jobless in their homes.

People are dying – who would have survived illnesses and preexisting health conditions if they hadn’t been so impoverished, cold and malnourished. In the USA, 14% of seniors have skipped meals and 10% delayed or canceled medical procedures or rationed prescription medications in 2022 because of sharply rising energy, food and other prices. Honest ESG scores would factor all this in, as well.

Developing countries desperately need dependable, affordable electricity to create jobs, lift families out of poverty, modernize homes, schools and hospitals, provide clean water, and replace wood and animal dung for cooking and heating. Even today, millions of parents and children die from respiratory and intestinal diseases that are unheard of in wealthy countries, because they don’t have electricity.

ESG scoring ignores all of this, actively stymies investment in fossil fuel power plants in African and other countries, and attempts to limit financing to wind and solar energy and whatever jobs and living standards this limited, weather-dependent energy can support. That’s hardly ethical or socially responsible.

Governance of corporate and societal affairs. ESG activists and financial institutions coopt and collude with corporate, federal, state and local governments to serve the climate crisis agenda, and drive investment out of fossil fuel endeavors and into “renewable” energy. In essence, this is fascism, an economic system in which government doesn’t own the means of production, but controls them through laws, policies and arrangements with financial institutions, corporations, activists, media and academia.

Equally troublesome, ESG inevitably results in modern industrialized nations de-developing, as their factories and jobs migrate to China, India and other countries that are not obligated under climate agreements to reduce their coal and natural gas use anytime soon, have no intention of doing so, and are burning record amounts of coal to ensure reliable and affordable electricity.

This also raises disturbing national security concerns, as the United States and its allies become ever more dependent on Chinese factories and Chinese controlled supply chains for wind, solar, battery, transformer, communication, computing, healthcare and even defense/weaponry raw materials and technologies.

ESG advocates minimize these concerns, even as they ignore how soaring raw material demands under Net Zero agendas would trigger skyrocketing prices for increasingly scarce commodities, and thus imperil the energy infrastructures and economies of nations across the globe.

The words scam and fraud come to mind. But an even better term has its origins in China – Shanghaied: using trickery, intimidation or violence to force someone to serve your navy ... or company. In this case, ESG pressures are forcing investors, companies and countries to serve the interest of China’s government and corporate sectors, which control supply chains and manufacturing for technologies of every description, especially in the energy sector. ESG scorecards pay no attention to this, either.

In fact, BlackRock, State Street, other ESG stalwarts, and their government and environmentalist allies seem intent on destroying our planet with “green” energy, to save it from fossil fuel calamities that exist in climate models and fevered imaginations (as in “Earth has a fever”) ... but not in the Real World.

This Christmas or Hanukkah, let’s all give our friends, relatives and financial institutions the gift of wise, honest, accurate and insightful Environmental, Social and Governance principles.”

 

[martybegan]

Whether solar energy is intermittent or not, it’s immaterial.
We store electricity. That’s not solar energy. We convert solar energy to electricity then we store it. We convert fossil fuel energy to electricity too, and we store it as well as we shift it from one area to another during heavy use. It’s a pretty stupid debate on the other side.

We actually "store" zero electricity in the grid, power is used as it is generated. This shows you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Any storage has to be in the form of capacitors, batteries, or potential energy from sources like water pumped from one elevation to another.

 

[ChemEngineer]

Any storage has to be in the form of capacitors, batteries, or potential energy from sources like water pumped from one elevation to another.

Dams convert FALLING water, NOT "pumped" water. Pumps require electricity or fossil fuel to pump water vertically or horizontally. Please don't waste any more time responding to the giggling troll. He never adds information to any discussion. If you were to put him into a vacuum chamber, it would become emptier.