The idea that no solution exists never occurs to them & in this lies their strength

[SFC Ollie]

Ideas? I suggest the're platitudes. Spending was out of control under Bush&Co, he wanted, the R's in control gave.
Now the R's say we are REALLY fiscally responsible (the first decade of this new century was an anomily), Trust us.
IMHO your post and their words are total bull shit. The R party supports Corporte America - the elite of the R party don't give a shit about middle class America.

Well someone better get fiscally responsible damned quick. And I certainly didn't see it in the last Administration and damned sure not in this one.

How do you define "fiscally responisble"? I define it as putting a new roof on the house before a storm destroys the house, even if I have to borrow the money.,
As I suggested, the R's and the self defined 'conservatives' have a different approach.
What say you?

I planned ahead and saved for the new roof so I didn't have to borrow money I didn't have. Same as replacing 18 110 year old windows, a few at a time. I know I cannot do everything at once. When the last 7 windows are in, then we'll look at the next big project.

That is fiscal responsibility. Not borrowing on the next Generations future.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Ideas? I suggest the're platitudes. Spending was out of control under Bush&Co, he wanted, the R's in control gave.
Now the R's say we are REALLY fiscally responsible (the first decade of this new century was an anomily), Trust us.
IMHO your post and their words are total bull shit. The R party supports Corporte America - the elite of the R party don't give a shit about middle class America.

Well someone better get fiscally responsible damned quick. And I certainly didn't see it in the last Administration and damned sure not in this one.

They are only platitudes if you say them but don't actually do it.

Like I said I will not defend the Republicans who have were in power. They did not behave in anyway like true conservatives, and we are paying for that now.

However that does not make the fact that the Dems are spending even more, and expanding federal power even more, any better for us all.

Sorry, I disagree.
When the R's controlled the WH and the Congress they were not "true conservativbes"; on this we agree.
However, when the R's were in power, they did nothing, NOTHING, to solve the myriad of problems facing our nation post Clinton.
In my analogy, I suggested the R's ignored the roof, and relied on ideology to repair it. Sadly it not only leaked, it collapsed.
IMHO anyone who supports the neo-Repubicans does so out of greed, not patriotism.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Well someone better get fiscally responsible damned quick. And I certainly didn't see it in the last Administration and damned sure not in this one.

How do you define "fiscally responisble"? I define it as putting a new roof on the house before a storm destroys the house, even if I have to borrow the money.,
As I suggested, the R's and the self defined 'conservatives' have a different approach.
What say you?

I planned ahead and saved for the new roof so I didn't have to borrow money I didn't have. Same as replacing 18 110 year old windows, a few at a time. I know I cannot do everything at once. When the last 7 windows are in, then we'll look at the next big project.

That is fiscal responsibility. Not borrowing on the next Generations future.

You're not as dumb as I suspected.

 

[Zoom-boing]

How do you define "fiscally responisble"? I define it as putting a new roof on the house before a storm destroys the house, even if I have to borrow the money.,
As I suggested, the R's and the self defined 'conservatives' have a different approach.
What say you?

I'd be pissed if a storm came and destroyed my house that I had just put a new roof on (with borrowed money, no less). I'd be out a house, a new roof plus the borrowed money. If you knew the roof was going to need replacing, why didn't you save for the roof to begin with so you wouldn't have to borrow the money?

Fiscal responsibility is saving for what you want before buying it. Fiscal responsibility is using credit wisely and taking advantage of 'no interest' offers. Fiscal responsibility is doing without until you can afford it. Wanna know what's not fiscally responsible? Thinking you can spend your way out of debt with borrowed money.

 

[Avatar4321]

How do you define "fiscally responisble"? I define it as putting a new roof on the house before a storm destroys the house, even if I have to borrow the money.,
As I suggested, the R's and the self defined 'conservatives' have a different approach.
What say you?

I planned ahead and saved for the new roof so I didn't have to borrow money I didn't have. Same as replacing 18 110 year old windows, a few at a time. I know I cannot do everything at once. When the last 7 windows are in, then we'll look at the next big project.

That is fiscal responsibility. Not borrowing on the next Generations future.

You're not as dumb as I suspected.

You'll find that most people aren't as dumb as you suspected when you get over yourself.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I planned ahead and saved for the new roof so I didn't have to borrow money I didn't have. Same as replacing 18 110 year old windows, a few at a time. I know I cannot do everything at once. When the last 7 windows are in, then we'll look at the next big project.

That is fiscal responsibility. Not borrowing on the next Generations future.

You're not as dumb as I suspected.

You'll find that most people aren't as dumb as you suspected when you get over yourself.

When I get over myself? The fact is most people are dumb (at least half of our countrymen are below average intellignece).

 

[Quantum Windbag]

There is always a solution.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

There is a reason why we always encourage our leaders to live by the principles of thrift and cut spending and taxes. Because it works.

The Deepest Depression of the United States happened in 1920. We were out of it within a year because of tax cuts and across the board spending cuts.

The Great Depression of 1930, we spent more than ever and taxed more than ever. And shocker, it lasted until World War II.

Another Depression was predicted after World War II. It didn't happen. Why? Because we cut spending and taxes and paid off our debt.

It's not a coincidence that tax and spending cuts lead to economic booms. Or that higher taxes and higher spending lead to long recession/depression.

Excellent all around!

We need to make sure that our legislators are aware of this!

 

[jeffrockit]

At risk of being called arrogant and consescending I suggest this thread best characterizes both the Tea Party and neo-Republican Party adherents.
It seems each has come down to this pharse, "aint't it awful".
The former oppose government, and there is no doubt there is reason to be disgusted with how those elected officials in government today have performed, and the latter oppose Demcorats, claiming they will be different (this time, even though they helped create the mess).
But neither the Tea Party nor neo-Republicans offer an alternative, at least one that is viable and a practical soluton to the mess made by Washington.
Ain't if awful Obama...
Ain't if awful Pelosi...
Ain't if awfu Reid...
Whiners all.

Its the same ole same ole from the bigots on the right-"Cut spending, lower taxes"- as if thats any sort of solution to our economic crisis. Obama, Pelosi, and Reid, with their willingness to spend more in wise, productive ways, and their embrace of realistic (and yes higher) taxes are a breah of fresh air.

Here is a "wise" quote from Pelosi:
“It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name.”
Pelosi: Unemployment Checks Fastest Way to Create Jobs

And this from Reid...very wise and productive, if you are a union thug:
ALL ACROSS America, state and local governments are struggling with recession-induced budget crises … Many public employees have been promised pay, pensions and health benefits that tax bases cannot sustain even in good times. As a result, voters and political leaders of both parties are rethinking the costs and benefits of public-sector unionism.
Except in Congress, it seems. Senate Majority Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) is pushing to federalize labor relations between state and local governments and some public-sector unions. … the bill is supported not only by Mr. Reid but also by Republicans, including the soon-to-retire Sen. Judd Gregg (N.H.). It has a good chance of passing if the Senate can fit it on its busy calendar.
Harry Reid - Big Government

And there are just too many to list with Obama but a big one is this:
Economists: Stimulus Not Working, Obama Must Rein in Spending.
Economists: Stimulus Not Working, Obama Must Rein in Spending - Peter Roff (usnews.com)

Their ideas are "wise" and "productive" if you are a big government liberal.

 

[Wry Catcher]

At risk of being called arrogant and consescending I suggest this thread best characterizes both the Tea Party and neo-Republican Party adherents.
It seems each has come down to this pharse, "aint't it awful".
The former oppose government, and there is no doubt there is reason to be disgusted with how those elected officials in government today have performed, and the latter oppose Demcorats, claiming they will be different (this time, even though they helped create the mess).
But neither the Tea Party nor neo-Republicans offer an alternative, at least one that is viable and a practical soluton to the mess made by Washington.
Ain't if awful Obama...
Ain't if awful Pelosi...
Ain't if awfu Reid...
Whiners all.

Its the same ole same ole from the bigots on the right-"Cut spending, lower taxes"- as if thats any sort of solution to our economic crisis. Obama, Pelosi, and Reid, with their willingness to spend more in wise, productive ways, and their embrace of realistic (and yes higher) taxes are a breah of fresh air.

Here is a "wise" quote from Pelosi:
“It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name.”
Pelosi: Unemployment Checks Fastest Way to Create Jobs

And this from Reid...very wise and productive, if you are a union thug:
ALL ACROSS America, state and local governments are struggling with recession-induced budget crises … Many public employees have been promised pay, pensions and health benefits that tax bases cannot sustain even in good times. As a result, voters and political leaders of both parties are rethinking the costs and benefits of public-sector unionism.
Except in Congress, it seems. Senate Majority Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) is pushing to federalize labor relations between state and local governments and some public-sector unions. … the bill is supported not only by Mr. Reid but also by Republicans, including the soon-to-retire Sen. Judd Gregg (N.H.). It has a good chance of passing if the Senate can fit it on its busy calendar.
Harry Reid - Big Government

And there are just too many to list with Obama but a big one is this:
Economists: Stimulus Not Working, Obama Must Rein in Spending.
Economists: Stimulus Not Working, Obama Must Rein in Spending - Peter Roff (usnews.com)

Their ideas are "wise" and "productive" if you are a big government liberal.

And what are your ideas?

 

[jeffrockit]

Its the same ole same ole from the bigots on the right-"Cut spending, lower taxes"- as if thats any sort of solution to our economic crisis. Obama, Pelosi, and Reid, with their willingness to spend more in wise, productive ways, and their embrace of realistic (and yes higher) taxes are a breah of fresh air.

Here is a "wise" quote from Pelosi:
“It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name.”
Pelosi: Unemployment Checks Fastest Way to Create Jobs

And this from Reid...very wise and productive, if you are a union thug:
ALL ACROSS America, state and local governments are struggling with recession-induced budget crises … Many public employees have been promised pay, pensions and health benefits that tax bases cannot sustain even in good times. As a result, voters and political leaders of both parties are rethinking the costs and benefits of public-sector unionism.
Except in Congress, it seems. Senate Majority Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) is pushing to federalize labor relations between state and local governments and some public-sector unions. … the bill is supported not only by Mr. Reid but also by Republicans, including the soon-to-retire Sen. Judd Gregg (N.H.). It has a good chance of passing if the Senate can fit it on its busy calendar.
Harry Reid - Big Government

And there are just too many to list with Obama but a big one is this:
Economists: Stimulus Not Working, Obama Must Rein in Spending.
Economists: Stimulus Not Working, Obama Must Rein in Spending - Peter Roff (usnews.com)

Their ideas are "wise" and "productive" if you are a big government liberal.

And what are your ideas?

End all Pork in bills, cut entitlement spending where it can be cut, go after fraud in all entitlement programs. Here is just 1 insane example of no oversight:

MIAMI – A federal program designed to help impoverished families heat and cool their homes wasted more than $100 million paying the electric bills of thousands of applicants who were dead, in prison or living in million-dollar mansions, according to a government investigation.
Feds wasted millions in utilities program for poor - Yahoo! News

Cut wasteful spending in politician's travel and etc budgets.

Even the gap between govt jobs and private sector jobs (identical jobs, way different pay). Govt jobs can only pay more with better benefits because they do not have to make a profit. They have an endless supply of taxpayer funding.

These are just a few off the top of my head. There are many, many more though.

 

[Nosmo King]

At risk of being called arrogant and consescending I suggest this thread best characterizes both the Tea Party and neo-Republican Party adherents.
It seems each has come down to this pharse, "aint't it awful".
The former oppose government, and there is no doubt there is reason to be disgusted with how those elected officials in government today have performed, and the latter oppose Demcorats, claiming they will be different (this time, even though they helped create the mess).
But neither the Tea Party nor neo-Republicans offer an alternative, at least one that is viable and a practical soluton to the mess made by Washington.
Ain't if awful Obama...
Ain't if awful Pelosi...
Ain't if awfu Reid...
Whiners all.

It's the "in this lies their strength" part that is the fulcrum to the lever here. Populist movements like the Tea partiers rely on anger and fear rather than cold logic.

First it was the fear and anger over electing a black president. Otherwise, the tea partiers would have been just as vocal and just as aroused when the whole mess started under their boy Bush.

We heard and continue to hear a lot of 'take our country back' talk. Back from who? Democrats? Try an election first. Liberal democrats? Look no farther than the previous few congresses and blame the republicans as they were in charge. From the black man in the White House? That level of racism burns out too hot and quickly to sustain an angry populist cause like this.

No solution exists? kinda scary, ain't it?

And in this lies their strength.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Cold Logic: Hope. Change. Yes We Can.

LOL

 

[editec]

The debate of the clueless slaves​

My master is better!

No, my master is better!​

You're dumb!

No, you're dumb!​

Am not!

Are too!​

 

[Nosmo King]

Cold Logic: Hope. Change. Yes We Can.

LOL

Hope. Change. Yes we can, election slogans.

Spend money to start the economy. Prime the pump as the credit market has tanked and the banks are failing by the dozen. Those are sound, proven economic practices never considered by the typical Tea bagger.

Not enough angst to keep interest up. Seems you can't gather political strength through sound policies in times like these. You need anger, not solutions.

 

[The T]

Cold Logic: Hope. Change. Yes We Can.

LOL

Hope. Change. Yes we can, election slogans.

Spend money to start the economy. Prime the pump as the credit market has tanked and the banks are failing by the dozen. Those are sound, proven economic practices never considered by the typical Tea bagger.

Not enough angst to keep interest up. Seems you can't gather political strength through sound policies in times like these. You need anger, not solutions.

It would help if the politicians would get the Hell out of the way. They've got the people in an unrelenting stranglehold using punitive taxation for control, and their Socialist visions over this Republic.

It's gotta stop.

 

[geauxtohell]

At risk of being called arrogant and consescending I suggest this thread best characterizes both the Tea Party and neo-Republican Party adherents.
It seems each has come down to this pharse, "aint't it awful".
The former oppose government, and there is no doubt there is reason to be disgusted with how those elected officials in government today have performed, and the latter oppose Demcorats, claiming they will be different (this time, even though they helped create the mess).
But neither the Tea Party nor neo-Republicans offer an alternative, at least one that is viable and a practical soluton to the mess made by Washington.
Ain't if awful Obama...
Ain't if awful Pelosi...
Ain't if awfu Reid...
Whiners all.

That about sums it up. The tea party is only going to be able to do so much before it has to develop it's own platform (a real platform that consists of more than platitudes).

 

[daveman]

Cold Logic: Hope. Change. Yes We Can.

LOL

And the best piece of "logic" of all:

It's Time.

 

[Oddball]

Really? You cut taxes after 2001. How did that work?

You had your chance to cut spending, what did you do?

You had your chance to reduce the size of government, what did you do?

Have we any reason to believe anything you say?

See?...Even doddering old fools like you can see that the ideas of really lower taxes (not those piddling little sops the Shrub got passed), drastically reduced spending and seriously pared back bureaucracy haven't even honestly been tried yet.

 

[Immanuel]

At risk of being called arrogant and consescending I suggest this thread best characterizes both the Tea Party and neo-Republican Party adherents.
It seems each has come down to this pharse, "aint't it awful".
The former oppose government, and there is no doubt there is reason to be disgusted with how those elected officials in government today have performed, and the latter oppose Demcorats, claiming they will be different (this time, even though they helped create the mess).
But neither the Tea Party nor neo-Republicans offer an alternative, at least one that is viable and a practical soluton to the mess made by Washington.
Ain't if awful Obama...
Ain't if awful Pelosi...
Ain't if awfu Reid...
Whiners all.

Why you arrogant, condescending... wait a minute... I'll come up with something... ah... progressive?

By the way, looking at all the red underlines (spell checking) and knowing that you usually do a better job than that, were you drinking when you typed this?

Immie