The History of Walls and Do They Work?

[Third Party]

Walls work-check out a National Geographic documentary on them. Will a wall do what we want is the real question. A wall keeps things in, keeps things out, and also redirects people and traffic to specific points of entry-which is what I think we all want.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

I spent 9 1/2 years in the Air Force, 2 of those years was at Hahn AB Germany. My job at the time, was to get all the jets up into the sky then bend over and kiss my ass goodbye because "rolling thunder" of the USSR was going to steam roll US till the next wall of jets were going up in France and Spain. Then England, and by that time, our own local jets in the US would be on a better footing against the Socialists. I knew at that time, we didnt want an invading horde to come into our territory as then our life would be treated like shit, same thing was happening under Obozo. I am so fed up with you commies, and how you treat the rest of US.

Once again, you dont like it here in the US, got take your sorry Socialist ass to Cuba, spend the rest of your life in the Socialist Paradise you so want.. We the People of the United States, dont like you, and soon, you will push US too far...

Nah, we commies luv it here. It is you who hate it. You even claim America isn't great - it needs to be made great again. LOL

So get out - leave - take your own advise and go tell your bullshit war stories to somebody who actually cares.

I dont hate my country or its constitution, but sure as hell hate shitfucks like you, because all the time I wasted over there, just to keep your sorry ass free over here. As I said, go live in Cuba, see what Socialism is like, then get back to me with your report. I will be glad to hear your great story of how FAIR life is. But you wont, because you know how fucked up it is, and want to FORCE the rest of US to live like the worthless fucks like you. Cant wait for the day, when it is open season. Coming to a country real soon..

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Sorry pal but we have all been watching and over the last two months the agents have been supporting a wall....and tech....and new laws.....so take your lies elsewhere...

sorry by White House emails and White House Spokespeople/FOX News do not tell the truth

Time to put you on ignore with the rest of the liberal ignorant fuckers. Buh Bye.

 

[toobfreak]

I'll start right off the bat with Berlin...

BULLSHIT thread.

BULLSHIT poll.

BULLSHIT OP.

thanks for making a case - for my side

Here, take a case of THIS, ass-wipe. Your threads are as your polls are WORTHLESS. Your polls offers no legitimate choices other than to either bash Trump, the wall or BOTH because goons like you can't survive in an open debate with two sides and facts.

 

[whitehall]

We aren't talking about biblical time or military occupation or prisons or freaking tank traps. The question should relate to whether Americans support strong borders. A wall wouldn't be be guaranteed to be an absolute solution to illegal entry into the U.S southern border but it would stop the almost casual illegal entry we have been experiencing for the last quarter century and it would stand as a symbol of America's determination to secure the borders and prosecute illegal alien criminals The ironic thing is that democrats voted for it before they voted against it. The issue ain't about borders or the chump change it would cost to build the wall. The issue is about preventing the President of the United States from fulfilling his campaign promise just because democrats are angry about the two year old election.

 

[skye]

go and ask these people OP........

go and ask them if their walls work or not.

What hypocrites, my God!

 

[JBvM]

go and ask these people OP........

go and ask them if their walls work or not.

What hypocrites, my God!

How silly is that? Why would people compare walls (btw, many of those in your stupid fuckin gif/meme are bs and proven wrong LOL) with property/home perimeter fencing/walls?

Trump or the General - Who would/do you believe and why?

Long ago in a time and place far, far away from Tweet-land there was a man many accused of lying at an extraordinary pace - man who when confronted with lies would double down , but later admit it with an 'Ok, but so what?' -- and that man, that proven lair was pitted against a military careerist, a General - [ John Francis Kelly (born May 11, 1950) is a retired U.S. Marine Corps general who served as the White House Chief of Staff for President Donald Trump from July 31, 2017 to January 2, 2019. He had previously served as Secretary of Homeland Security in the Trump administration. ]

In a previous job, as the head of the U.S. Southern Command, Kelly had spoken measuredly about the complex causes of mass migration in Central America. And as he prepared to take his position at D.H.S., which enforces federal immigration laws, he showed other signs of independence. He reportedly fought the Administration to prevent Kris Kobach, a Trump adviser and notorious hard-liner, from becoming his deputy. At his confirmation hearings, in January, he declared that Trump’s signature campaign proposal—a giant wall on the U.S.-Mexico border—“will not do the job.”​

We know the article in the New Yorker has a few errors regarding Kelly's tenure at DHS - forever the loyal soldier (not always a quality we want to see in a man trusted to protect the US and not his immediate boss) - took a few hits for Trump, for the Team (especially actions of Jeff Beauregard Cracker Sessions). But that is to be expected when White House sources fear being caught speaking out (it was terrible under Obama too - but wingnuts and haters are clueless).

But we have a choice: Trump says one thing, Kelly says another -- who would you and/or who do you trust to be telling the truth?
Evaluating John Kelly’s Record at Homeland Security

pp

“To be honest, it’s not a wall,” Mr. Kelly told The Los Angeles Times.

Mr. Kelly, whose last day in his role is Monday, said he had sought advice from Customs and Border Protection officials early in 2017, when he was the homeland security secretary. Mr. Kelly said he was told that “we need a physical barrier in certain places, we need technology across the board, and we need more people.”

He went on: “The president still says ‘wall’ — oftentimes frankly he’ll say ‘barrier’ or ‘fencing,’ now he’s tended toward steel slats. But we left a solid concrete wall early on in the administration, when we asked people what they needed and where they needed it.”​

Kelly, on His Way Out, Says Administration Long Ago Abandoned Idea of Concrete Wall

ppp

 

[petro]

It must be honor and honesty that keeps inmates in our prisons so they won't simply walk away.
Good thing they don't waste money on walls.
That would be silly.

 

[JBvM]

It must be honor and honesty that keeps inmates in our prisons so they won't simply walk away.
Good thing they don't waste money on walls.
That would be silly.

Prisons keep people in - dangerous people -- and prison walls only work because the state is willing to kill people trying to get over or around them

are you advocating killing people who try to enter the USA illegally?

 

[petro]

It must be honor and honesty that keeps inmates in our prisons so they won't simply walk away.
Good thing they don't waste money on walls.
That would be silly.

Prisons keep people in - dangerous people -- and prison walls only work because the state is willing to kill people trying to get over or around them

are you advocating killing people who try to enter the USA illegally?

Are you advocating for not defending your territory when an intruder enters?

 

[JBvM]

are you advocating killing people who try to enter the USA illegally?

Are you advocating for not defending your territory when an intruder enters?

Defending against intruders? You make it sound like an armed invading military. We are talking about immigrants and asylum seekers, not military forces.

but why avoid a seriously simple and straightforward question: are you advocating killing people who try to enter the USA illegally?

No one advocates not defending US territory from hostile forces?

 

[JBvM]

Poor petro

we hardly knew yee .. before you ran away

 

[petro]

are you advocating killing people who try to enter the USA illegally?

Are you advocating for not defending your territory when an intruder enters?

Defending against intruders? You make it sound like an armed invading military. We are talking about immigrants and asylum seekers, not military forces.

but why avoid a seriously simple and straightforward question: are you advocating killing people who try to enter the USA illegally?

No one advocates not defending US territory from hostile forces?

So many questions answered with questions.
Only one talking about killing is you. Not playing your games nor taking the moronic poll that lacks the choice...OP is an idiot.

Enjoy the shutdown.

 

[JBvM]

So many questions answered with questions.
Only one talking about killing is you. Not playing your games nor taking the moronic poll that lacks the choice...OP is an idiot.

Enjoy the shutdown.

so you fear answering: are you advocating killing people who try to enter the USA illegally?

ok

coward

 

[petro]

So many questions answered with questions.
Only one talking about killing is you. Not playing your games nor taking the moronic poll that lacks the choice...OP is an idiot.

Enjoy the shutdown.

so you fear answering: are you advocating killing people who try to enter the USA illegally?

ok

coward

Christ. You are a special kind of stupid.
Appreciate the stalking. Creepy, but I enjoy negative attention.

 

[JBvM]

go back petro and ask yourself: Why am I afraid to answer a simple question?

 

[petro]

go back petro and ask yourself: Why am I afraid to answer a simple question?

Go back and look at when you said no one gives two shits what I say.
Yet you feel so compelled to know what I say.

 

[flacaltenn]

Sorry pal but we have all been watching and over the last two months the agents have been supporting a wall....and tech....and new laws.....so take your lies elsewhere...

sorry by White House emails and White House Spokespeople/FOX News do not tell the truth

Yeah especially when they LET former Heads of Customs/Border come on speak.. Fox must be FORCING them to ask for more extensive barriers RIGHT? Or edit the audio tracks... Get real.. Even OBAMA'S head of CBorderP said that extensive barriers were needed.

You don't GET interviews like that on MSNBC....

 

[flacaltenn]

go and ask these people OP........

go and ask them if their walls work or not.

What hypocrites, my God!

How silly is that? Why would people compare walls (btw, many of those in your stupid fuckin gif/meme are bs and proven wrong LOL) with property/home perimeter fencing/walls?

Trump or the General - Who would/do you believe and why?

Long ago in a time and place far, far away from Tweet-land there was a man many accused of lying at an extraordinary pace - man who when confronted with lies would double down , but later admit it with an 'Ok, but so what?' -- and that man, that proven lair was pitted against a military careerist, a General - [ John Francis Kelly (born May 11, 1950) is a retired U.S. Marine Corps general who served as the White House Chief of Staff for President Donald Trump from July 31, 2017 to January 2, 2019. He had previously served as Secretary of Homeland Security in the Trump administration. ]

In a previous job, as the head of the U.S. Southern Command, Kelly had spoken measuredly about the complex causes of mass migration in Central America. And as he prepared to take his position at D.H.S., which enforces federal immigration laws, he showed other signs of independence. He reportedly fought the Administration to prevent Kris Kobach, a Trump adviser and notorious hard-liner, from becoming his deputy. At his confirmation hearings, in January, he declared that Trump’s signature campaign proposal—a giant wall on the U.S.-Mexico border—“will not do the job.”​

We know the article in the New Yorker has a few errors regarding Kelly's tenure at DHS - forever the loyal soldier (not always a quality we want to see in a man trusted to protect the US and not his immediate boss) - took a few hits for Trump, for the Team (especially actions of Jeff Beauregard Cracker Sessions). But that is to be expected when White House sources fear being caught speaking out (it was terrible under Obama too - but wingnuts and haters are clueless).

But we have a choice: Trump says one thing, Kelly says another -- who would you and/or who do you trust to be telling the truth?
Evaluating John Kelly’s Record at Homeland Security

pp

“To be honest, it’s not a wall,” Mr. Kelly told The Los Angeles Times.

Mr. Kelly, whose last day in his role is Monday, said he had sought advice from Customs and Border Protection officials early in 2017, when he was the homeland security secretary. Mr. Kelly said he was told that “we need a physical barrier in certain places, we need technology across the board, and we need more people.”

He went on: “The president still says ‘wall’ — oftentimes frankly he’ll say ‘barrier’ or ‘fencing,’ now he’s tended toward steel slats. But we left a solid concrete wall early on in the administration, when we asked people what they needed and where they needed it.”​

Kelly, on His Way Out, Says Administration Long Ago Abandoned Idea of Concrete Wall

ppp

So in a nutshell.. CBP NEEDS barriers. And Trump LISTENED to their needs, abandoned his fantasy of a 30 ft wall and approved a 20 ft steel slat fence-wall. So what? sounds smart and responsive to input...

 

[JBvM]

Sorry pal but we have all been watching and over the last two months the agents have been supporting a wall....and tech....and new laws.....so take your lies elsewhere...

sorry by White House emails and White House Spokespeople/FOX News do not tell the truth

Yeah especially when they LET former Heads of Customs/Border come on speak.. Fox must be FORCING them to ask for more extensive barriers RIGHT? Or edit the audio tracks... Get real.. Even OBAMA'S head of CBorderP said that extensive barriers were needed.

You don't GET interviews like that on MSNBC....

FOX has a history of regular guests being exposed as frauds and more..