The History behind Normalizing Homosexuality...

[mal]

"The entire process, from the first confrontation organized by gay demonstrators to the referendum demanded by the orthodox psychiatrists, seemed to violate the most basic expectations about how questions of science should be resolved.

Instead of being engaged in sober discussion of data, psychiatrists were swept up in a political controversy. The result was not a conclusion based on an approximation of the scientific truth as dictated by reason, but was instead an action demanded by the ideological temper of the times."

Dr. Ronald Bayer, author of the book Homosexuality and American Psychiatry

Wasn't the incoming President of the APA in 1973 a Closeted Homosexual?...



peace...

 

[Inevitable]

It is a Mental Disorder

You keep repeating this, but you have nothing to back it up with. ...

1 in 4 Homosexual Men being HIV Infected in San Francisco according to the CDC 30 years after Knowing just how NOT to get it is an example of a REALLY High Percentage of them being Dangerously Wreckless and it having a Direct Impact on Society.

This doesn't prove it's a mental disorder, just that promiscuity has it's risk.

You can Dismiss the Fact that they are Designed by Nature and Equipped to Couple with the Opposite Sex and that is Exactly why they Exist at all, but it doesn't change that Fact.

Argumentum ad naturam is logical fallacy.

There are MANY Mental Disorders that People have and who Function in Society.

Homosexuality isn't one of them.

I've asked Repeatedly and it has NEVER been Provided

I asked you something and you didn't even acknowledge it. See below.
Also I did provide something that you completely ignored. I will link it again.

Homosexuality and Mental Health

What was the APA's Justification for their Reversal after Decades of Study and Conclusions regarding Homosexuals having a Mental Issue?

What decades of study? What conclusions?

It's funny though... Even the APA to this latest Statement on Homosexuality can't say with any Certainty what causes Sexual Orientation.

Should they justjump to conclusions? Is that how science works?

You can't explain why you think it's a mental disorder, you can't reference any of these studiesand conclusions that you insist the APA had. Or why they werecorrect in your opinion.

"The American Psychiatric Association believes
that the causes of sexual orientation (whether homosexual
or heterosexual) are not known at this time and likely are
multifactorial including biological and behavioral roots
which may vary between different individuals and may
even vary over time."

I really like to see the last Statement they made before Reversing their position and the first one when they did reverse their position.

If you look in the link provided you would see that the APA Didn't really have a reason to call it a mental disorderinthe first place.

Bottom line of you want this crap about the APA being politically influenced youhave to comeup with something better than the fallacy you have posted.

 

[NLT]

dirty sock says what

 

[Inevitable]

"The entire process, from the first confrontation organized by gay demonstrators to the referendum demanded by the orthodox psychiatrists, seemed to violate the most basic expectations about how questions of science should be resolved.

Instead of being engaged in sober discussion of data, psychiatrists were swept up in a political controversy. The result was not a conclusion based on an approximation of the scientific truth as dictated by reason, but was instead an action demanded by the ideological temper of the times."

Dr. Ronald Bayer, author of the book Homosexuality and American Psychiatry

Wasn't the incoming President of the APA in 1973 a Closeted Homosexual?.

This wouldn't have had any real bearing on the dicision.

Look, explain why they just up and decided to make it a mental disorder in 1952? Was it politically motivated then? If not why?

What makes homosexual a mental disorder?

 

[mal]

It is a Mental Disorder

You keep repeating this, but you have nothing to back it up with. ...

1 in 4 Homosexual Men being HIV Infected in San Francisco according to the CDC 30 years after Knowing just how NOT to get it is an example of a REALLY High Percentage of them being Dangerously Wreckless and it having a Direct Impact on Society.

This doesn't prove it's a mental disorder, just that promiscuity has it's risk.

Argumentum ad naturam is logical fallacy.

Homosexuality isn't one of them.

I asked you something and you didn't even acknowledge it. See below.
Also I did provide something that you completely ignored. I will link it again.

Homosexuality and Mental Health

What decades of study? What conclusions?

It's funny though... Even the APA to this latest Statement on Homosexuality can't say with any Certainty what causes Sexual Orientation.

Should they justjump to conclusions? Is that how science works?

You can't explain why you think it's a mental disorder, you can't reference any of these studiesand conclusions that you insist the APA had. Or why they werecorrect in your opinion.

"The American Psychiatric Association believes
that the causes of sexual orientation (whether homosexual
or heterosexual) are not known at this time and likely are
multifactorial including biological and behavioral roots
which may vary between different individuals and may
even vary over time."

I really like to see the last Statement they made before Reversing their position and the first one when they did reverse their position.

If you look in the link provided you would see that the APA Didn't really have a reason to call it a mental disorderinthe first place.

Bottom line of you want this crap about the APA being politically influenced youhave to comeup with something better than the fallacy you have posted.

I disagree with that... They did have reasoning... The APA writes and writes and writes... And they selectively hide a lot of shit.

You can't find what their rationalization was for calling it a Mental Disorder prior to 1973 because they don't want you to see it and they don't want to Debate their Data and Studies.

They Reversed Course in 1973 without Debate and without anything Resembling an Extensive Explanation of their Reversal of DECADES of other Conclusions.

The Protests at their Meetings and the Infiltration of Gays into the Industry including the Closet Case who was about to become the head of the APA was why they did it.

Should Homosexuality be a Crime?... No.

Should it be called completely Normal?... No.

Is Man/Woman equal to Man/Man or Woman/Woman?... Factually NO.



peace...

 

[mal]

"The entire process, from the first confrontation organized by gay demonstrators to the referendum demanded by the orthodox psychiatrists, seemed to violate the most basic expectations about how questions of science should be resolved.

Instead of being engaged in sober discussion of data, psychiatrists were swept up in a political controversy. The result was not a conclusion based on an approximation of the scientific truth as dictated by reason, but was instead an action demanded by the ideological temper of the times."

Dr. Ronald Bayer, author of the book Homosexuality and American Psychiatry

Wasn't the incoming President of the APA in 1973 a Closeted Homosexual?.

This wouldn't have had any real bearing on the dicision.

Look, explain why they just up and decided to make it a mental disorder in 1952? Was it politically motivated then? If not why?

What makes homosexual a mental disorder?

It's a Defiance of one's Natural Existence and Design by Nature.

Something in the Brain ain't agreeing with what Physically and Naturally is.

Mostly that is Harmless, but to say it's Normal is Absurd.

Being "Born that way" ain't a Justification because if it is, it Justifies a LOT of shit.



peace...

 

[mal]

Homosexuality: The Mental Illness That Went AwayAn alternative perspective on mental disorders | PHILIP HICKEY, PH.D.

According to the American Psychiatric Association, until 1974 homosexuality was a mental illness. Freud had alluded to homosexuality numerous times in his writings, and had concluded that paranoia and homosexuality were inseparable. Other psychiatrists wrote copiously on the subject, and homosexuality was “treated” on a wide basis. There was little or no suggestion within the psychiatric community that homosexuality might be conceptualized as anything other than a mental illness that needed to be treated. And, of course, homosexuality was listed as a mental illness in DSM-II.

Then in 1970 gay activists protested against the APA convention in San Francisco. These scenes were repeated in 1971, and as people came out of the “closet” and felt empowered politically and socially, the APA directorate became increasingly uncomfortable with their stance. In 1973 the APA’s nomenclature task force recommended that homosexuality be declared normal. The trustees were not prepared to go that far, but they did vote to remove homosexuality from the list of mental illnesses by a vote of 13 to 0, with 2 abstentions. This decision was confirmed by a vote of the APA membership, and homosexuality was no longer listed in the seventh edition of DSM-II, which was issued in 1974.

What’s noteworthy about this is that the removal of homosexuality from the list of mental illnesses was not triggered by some scientific breakthrough. There was no new fact or set of facts that stimulated this major change. Rather, it was the simple reality that gay people started to kick up a fuss. They gained a voice and began to make themselves heard. And the APA reacted with truly astonishing speed. And with good reason. They realized intuitively that a protracted battle would have drawn increasing attention to the spurious nature of their entire taxonomy. So they quickly “cut loose” the gay community and forestalled any radical scrutiny of the DSM system generally.

Also noteworthy is the fact that the vote of the membership was by no means unanimous. Only about 55% of the members who voted favored the change.

Of course, the APA put the best spin they could on these events. The fact is that they altered their taxonomy because of intense pressure from the gay community, but they claimed that the change was prompted by research findings.

So all the people who had this terrible “illness” were “cured” overnight – by a vote!
Read MOAR!:

Mental Health Diagnoses Decided by Vote, Not Discovery

And if you don't Believe this Doctor's Claims about the Protests, would you Believe Gays themselves?...

"The May 1971 Scene: A Bad Time for a Conference in Washington DC
The American Psychiatric Association (APA) held its annual convention in Washington DC during the first week of May 1971, amidst the turmoil and congestion of the MayDay antiwar demonstrations and at a time when the Gay MayDay contingent in those demonstrations had drawn large numbers of gay men and lesbians to the city. The convention was held at the Shoreham Hotel which backed up on Rock Creek Park. The scene in the city was chaotic: protestors, estimated at more than 10,000, (the remnants of an initial contingent of nearly 50,000) had spent the mornings of Monday May 3rd and Tuesday May 4th disrupting traffic, blocking roads and bridges, and trying to bring the normal business of government to a halt in protest against the Vietnam War. An even larger federal force, some 13,000, of soldiers (Marines and US Army), National Guardsmen, and police fought off the protestors. More than 10,000 were arrested. Tear gas and smoke were in the air in downtown Washington DC. The streets around the APA convention were patrolled

Following disruption by gay activists at the 1970 convention in San Francisco, the APA offered a conference panel discussion to be organized by Dr. Kameny, who invited Barbara Gittings, Jack Baker and others to participate in a discussion entitled "Lifestyles of Nonpatient Homosexuals", which ensured the panelists admittance to all of the convention's activities including the annual Convocation of Fellows."

1971: Zapping the APA Convention


The best part about this History is that at this time Gay Organizations were Directly in Line with and Marching with NAMBLA... Fact not Fiction.

It wasn't until 1994 that the Gay Community was finally "outed" regarding their Ties to NAMBLA when the ILGA was removed from the World Conference on Population and Disease for it.

Since that year, they have been Smart enough to Avoid their old Friends...

But not always:

University of Minnesota Press book challenges anxiety about pedophilia

Mark O'Keefe Newhouse News Service
Published Mar 26, 2002

Source: StarTribune.com: News, weather, sports from Minneapolis, St. Paul and Minnesota (Link has since been Purged by the Star... Of course... But I have the entire thing here)

Sex between adults and children has been a societal taboo so strong that it's considered one of our few unquestioned moral principles. But arguments have emerged in academic journals, books and online that at least some such sex should be acceptable, especially when children consent to it...

With more research, some scholars say, it may be only a matter of time before modern society accepts adult-child sex, just as it has learned to accept premarital sex and homosexual sex.

"Children are the last bastion of the old sexual morality," wrote one of the trailblazers for this view, Harris Mirkin, an associate professor of political science at the University of Missouri-Kansas City...

Mirkin, whose academic specialty is the politics of sex, wrote in a 1999 article published in The Journal of Homosexuality that society perceives youths as seduced, abused victims and not "partners or initiators or willing participants" in sex with adults, "even if they are hustlers."

In an interview, Mirkin said the outrage surrounding the Roman Catholic Church's pedophilia scandal illustrates how the public views acts of intergenerational contact as "one big blur" of child abuse when it's likely "very, very mild stuff."

"We say if someone touches or molests or diddles or whatever a kid it will ruin the rest of their life. I don't believe it. I think kids are more likely to laugh at it more than anything else -- unless the whole culture says this is the most horrible thing that can happen to you."

Mirkin is not alone in questioning whether children are harmed by sexual contact with adults. The March 2002 American Psychologist devotes its entire issue to the ongoing fallout of a journal article that did just that.

The piece, in the July 1998 issue of Psychological Bulletin, was written by Bruce Rind, then an assistant professor of psychology at Temple University; Robert Bauserman, a lecturer then with the department of psychology at the University of Michigan; and Philip Tromovitch, then pursuing a doctorate at the University of Pennsylvania.

The trio reviewed 59 studies of college students who, as children, had sexual interaction with significantly older people or were coerced into sexual activity with someone of their own age. They concluded that negative effects "were neither pervasive nor typically intense, and that men reacted much less negatively than women." It recommended that a child's "willing encounter with positive reactions" be called "adult-child sex" instead of "abuse."

A soon-to-be-released book, "Harmful to Minors: The Perils of Protecting Children From Sex," is being advertised by its publisher, University of Minnesota Press, as challenging widespread anxieties about pedophilia.

In an interview, the book's author, journalist Judith Levine, praised the Rind study as evidence that "doesn't line up with the ideology that it's always harmful for kids to have sexual relationships with adults."

She said the pedophilia among Roman Catholic priests is complicated to analyze, because it's almost always secret, considered forbidden and involves an authority figure.

She added, however, that, "yes, conceivably, absolutely" a boy's sexual experience with a priest could be positive."...

You can read MOAR at the link under the headline.

Of course I will be Attacked for Observing what is... But what I have Posted is 100% True.

And if you Doubt for a Minute that the Pedo's are the Gays of the 50's and 60's right now to the Gay Community, then you are kidding yourselves.

The ONLY Reason most of them Distances themselves from NAMBLA and the others is because they got Caught and it Harmed their own Agenda.

History is what it is... If you want to be Angry about History then so be it.

I'm just an Observer.



peace...

And it's Difficult to Dismiss the FACT that the National Organization of Gays back at the same time the APA was Suddenly saying Gay is OK were Demanding in their Charter that Age of Consent Laws be Abolished while they Marched Actively with Pedophiles.

They learned over the next few Decades that their Pals in NAMBLA were harming their Cause and moved away from them.

History is still History and MANY in the APA's World don't believe that Adult/Child Sex is all that Harmful or Unnatural.

That is coming next.



peace...

 

[Inevitable]

I disagree with that... They did have reasoning... The APA writes and writes and writes... And they selectively hide a lot of shit.

What did they hide? That sounds like a bitofa conspiracy theory and they didn't really hide anything.

You can't find what their rationalization was for calling it a Mental Disorder prior to 1973 because they don't want you to see it and they don't want to Debate their Data and Studies.

So how do you know it exists if they have hidden it from you? And they didn't hide it from me, it's right here.
Homosexuality and Mental Health

They Reversed Course in 1973 without Debate and without anything Resembling an Extensive Explanation of their Reversal of DECADES of other Conclusions.

There was 20 years of debate from the time they decided to call it a mental disorder in 1952 until the time they removed it. What conclusions are you talking about?

The Protests at their Meetings and the Infiltration of Gays into the Industry including the Closet Case who was about to become the head of the APA was why they did it.

*It doesn't explain why they decided to call it a mental disorder in the first place. Perhaps it was bias from the heterosexuals that were on the APA at the time. That is just as preposterous as thinking that a homosexual would taint the outcome.

Should it be called completely Normal?... No.

You will likely never think it's normal so who cares what you call it.

Is Man/Woman equal to Man/Man or Woman/Woman?... Factually NO.

Factually they are actually gaining equality so seems you have your facts skewed.

 

[mal]

I disagree with that... They did have reasoning... The APA writes and writes and writes... And they selectively hide a lot of shit.

What did they hide? That sounds like a bitofa conspiracy theory and they didn't really hide anything.

So how do you know it exists if they have hidden it from you? And they didn't hide it from me, it's right here.
Homosexuality and Mental Health


There was 20 years of debate from the time they decided to call it a mental disorder in 1952 until the time they removed it. What conclusions are you talking about?

*It doesn't explain why they decided to call it a mental disorder in the first place. Perhaps it was bias from the heterosexuals that were on the APA at the time. That is just as preposterous as thinking that a homosexual would taint the outcome.

You will likely never think it's normal so who cares what you call it.

Factually they are actually gaining equality so seems you have your facts skewed.

The link that's in your link don't Function.

Page Not Found

The APA isn't letting people see their shit.



peace...

 

[Inevitable]

And it's Difficult to Dismiss the FACT that the National Organization of Gays back at the same time the APA was Suddenly saying Gay is OK were Demanding in their Charter that Age of Consent Laws be Abolished while they Marched Actively with Pedophiles.

Back then, yes the national organization of gays were wrong.

They learned over the next few Decades that their Pals in NAMBLA were harming their Cause and moved away from them.

Or maybe they realized that they weren't onthe same page. But that can't possibly be true can it?

History is still History and MANY in the APA's World don't believe that Adult/Child Sex is all that Harmful or Unnatural.

Yes there are some wackos in every group.

That is coming next.

Ah the slippery slope fallacy. It isn't very rational to believe that, the laws have been getting stricter on child molesters as they have laxed on homosexuality.

 

[Inevitable]

The link that's in your link don't Function.

Page Not Found

The APA isn't letting people see their shit.

That isn't the link I posted "http://www.apa.org" I didn't post anything from the APA. If you can'tget the link to work copy and paste the url

Homosexuality and Mental Health

 

[mal]

The link that's in your link don't Function.

Page Not Found

The APA isn't letting people see their shit.

That isn't the link I posted "http://www.apa.org" I didn't post anything from the APA. If you can'tget the link to work copy and paste the url

Homosexuality and Mental Health

Good Fucking Allah... YOUR Link works... The Link inside your Link to APA Source does not.

In that... I got nothing from your Link in that Regard.



peace...

 

[Seawytch]

Ah the slippery slope fallacy. It isn't very rational to believe that, the laws have been getting stricter on child molesters as they have laxed on homosexuality.

You haven't figured out by now that Mal is far from rational?

Not only have laws been getting stricter, the age of consent has done nothing but gone UP in this country. Personally, I'd support an across the board Federal age of consent law set at 18...with Romeo and Juliet exemptions. (or Romeo and Romeo, Juliet and Juliet, of course)

 

[mal]

Ah the slippery slope fallacy. It isn't very rational to believe that, the laws have been getting stricter on child molesters as they have laxed on homosexuality.

You haven't figured out by now that Mal is far from rational?

Not only have laws been getting stricter, the age of consent has done nothing but gone UP in this country. Personally, I'd support an across the board Federal age of consent law set at 18...with Romeo and Juliet exemptions. (or Romeo and Romeo, Juliet and Juliet, of course)

I was only Quoting Members of the APA and their Sympathies and Arguments FOR Adult/Child Sex...

As for the Homosexual/Pedophile Movement's History...

It's Documented.



peace...

 

[Inevitable]

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Good Fucking Allah... YOUR Link works... The Link inside your Link to APA Source does not.

In that... I got nothing from your Link in that Regard.

Well youprobably didn't read it, likely because it would completely destroy your rather flimsy conspiracy theory.

The APA conveniently hid everything that would prove your argument. Seems you are up a creek.

 

[Inevitable]

You haven't figured out by now that Mal is far from rational?

The whole "The Apa hid everything that would prove my argument because they were taken over by some cloak and dagger bullshit homosexual conspiracy" claim provedthat beyond all doubt.

Not only have laws been getting stricter, the age of consent has done nothing but gone UP in this country.

You see the slippery slope fallacy is the only thing that some people have to stand on.

 

[Seawytch]

Oddly...the states with the lowest age of consent laws are the least likely to have marriage equality...

That "Fagtopia", California is 18 while Alabama is 16. How interesting...

Even MORE interesting, in Texas the age of consent for marriage (with parental permission) is 14. Are they fucking kidding? 14?!?!?

 

[Howey]

Lol [MENTION=18755]mal[/MENTION] for dredging up failed talking points after getting Butt raped on failed talking points.

The kook, btw, who wrote this OP ed also believes that psychiatry isn't a science and that psychotherapy is a scam.

 

[Inevitable]

Oddly...the states with the lowest age of consent laws are the least likely to have marriage equality...

That "Fagtopia", California is 18 while Alabama is 16. How interesting...

Even MORE interesting, in Texas the age of consent for marriage (with parental permission) is 14. Are they fucking kidding? 14?!?!?

Texas is an odd place. Our age of consent here is 17 bit even that isa greyarea.

 

[Seawytch]

Oddly...the states with the lowest age of consent laws are the least likely to have marriage equality...

That "Fagtopia", California is 18 while Alabama is 16. How interesting...

Even MORE interesting, in Texas the age of consent for marriage (with parental permission) is 14. Are they fucking kidding? 14?!?!?

Texas is an odd place. Our age of consent here is 17 bit even that isa greyarea.

Odd? 14! I have a 14 year old son and I know what he and his friends are like. OMFG...14?!? Jesus, Rick Oops Perry...that's what you need to work on, not spending taxpayer funds on voodoo "conversion" therapy. Fuck.