The GOP is not Conservative

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    In an interview Wednesday, Mr. Dole said that the party would suffer “cataclysmic” and “wholesale losses” if Mr. Cruz was the nominee, and that Donald J. Trump would fare better.


    “I question his allegiance to the party,” Mr. Dole said of Mr. Cruz. “I don’t know how often you’ve heard him say the word ‘Republican’ — not very often.” Instead, Mr. Cruz uses the word “conservative,” Mr. Dole said, before offering up a different word for Mr. Cruz: “extremist.”

    “I don’t know how he’s going to deal with Congress,” he said. “Nobody likes him.”


    But Mr. Dole said he thought Mr. Trump could “probably work with Congress, because he’s, you know, he’s got the right personality and he’s kind of a deal-maker.”

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    BOB DOLE says a Cruz nomination will destroy the GOP… but he also said that of REAGAN!!



    Dole is right. Trump will make deals like a rhino. Cruz will stand up for what he believes. With Cruz, the GOP might go conservative. Sounds right to me.
     
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    "Conservative" is a philosophy; it can be "pure." "Republican" is a political organization; it must compromise occasionally to achieve the best outcomes, even if those compromises run contrary to the Conservative philosophy.

    It would be the correct "Conservative" action to abolish Social Security, which is both unwise, economically, and blatantly unconstitutional. But any political party that even mentioned abolishing SS would cease to exist in a heartbeat.

    Cruz is mainly "Conservative" in his positions on the issues, but he is a politician nonetheless, and goes along with those non-conservative programs and positions as are necessary to remain viable as a politician.

    Bob Dole was, from all reports, a pretty nice and pretty smart guy. But his opinion on the ramifications of a Cruz victory are just the opinions of one other pretty smart guy - no more and no less.
     
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    What you say is true, DGS49. And it seems to me, obvious. So obvious as to be condescending.

    As for Dole, I simply found it interesting that a non conservative republican came right out and said that Cruz doesn't play nice with the establishment whores as well as Trump probably will. Such candor is refreshing.
     
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    Trump is not a conservative. I find it weird no republican that likes him never mentions he would fight for a single payer healthcare after he gets elected..
    I mean, I understand you cant like someone 100%, 100% of the time. But it is worth mentioning..
     
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    Trump's not a conservative.

    The upside is higher with Trump but so is the downside.

    I'd never vote for Trump but I might for Cruz.
     
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    you said you would if it was between him and Hillary.
     
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    The tea party is a anarchist group of anti-government idiots. There's nothing conservative about it.
    -They don't promote two party family with a parent at home.
    -They don't promote rational government that spends money wisely. Hell, they don't promote any government and believe everything should go to hell.
    -They don't follow any conservative standards of morality seriously. They're foul mouthed pieces of shit just like the far left.


    Quite with this being conservative shit...You know you're not.
     
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    You've got the wrong picture. The Republican Establishment has accomplished nothing - Newt Gingrich was an establishment republican. Look at the damage he's done by doing nothing. John Bohner was an establishment republican and ditto for nothing, the Senate and House are chock full of establishment republicans and again - we've seen nothing. The Establishment Republican base has done everything but throw the kitchen sink at Trump. They have sided with leftist media and Democrats who have tried to stop Trump. They have implied the party would be destroyed if Trump won and that is precisely what the American people want. We are sick of the career politicians, the lobbyists and bankers they are catering too and are looking for someone who cannot be bought. That man is Donald Trump.

    Trump is the man who said we must put a ban (temporary) on Muslim immigration until we figure out what it is going on. Trump is the man that is going to win the nomination. Get on board or get left behind. That is the message and is resonating with the American people who actually know what conservative means. The Establishment Republicans despise Donald Trump which is why they have not missed the opportunity to vilify him and that includes their mouthpiece - FOX NEWS!

    I agree with many things you say (on other subjects), Compost, but for heaven's sake - WAKE UP!
     
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    I don't have the wrong picture. I recognize that the GOP that is in power is establishment and is not conservative. They are democrats pretending to be republicans. Dole is one of these. Maybe he can be honest now that he is retired but what he said is revealing. Cruz is not "liked" because he is a conservative and he actually (most of the time) sticks to his principles and doesn't "make deals" that go against what he promised he'd do in Washington.

    Maybe you need to "wake up" and see that what I said is true. The establishment GOP is a bunch of career politicians who talk a good game but are quick to make a deal rather than fight for what is right. (Paul Ryan is a good example.) Trump, if he is the nominee, I will vote for him over Hillary or Bernie. But if he wins, I will be surprized if he doesn't disappoint lots of people who voted for him because he makes deals rather than fight for what is right. I believe Cruz will fight because he has fought before. That the establishment choose Trump over Cruz indicates to me that they think they can work with him- which means- get him to make a deal and go along with them.
     
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    When will you hateful Leftists get it into your head that there IS NO SUCH THING AS A TEA PARTY???

    There are millions of fed up Americans who are stepping up to show their disdain for both parties. They will not be voting for the GOP - they will be voting for a true INDEPENDENT, Donald Trump.

    That's what the GOP establishment hates about him.
     

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