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What percentage of Islam are you failing to condemn? I would suggest to you that a higher percentage of Islamics SUPPORT such attacks than condemn them (as evidenced by the invisible backlash against these attacks from within Islam). You claim that these attacks do not represent mainstream islam. I'm asking you to provide proof of this statement.
Don't get pissy when someone asks you to back up your positions with evidence.
I'm getting "pissy" because I won't defend positions you make up and attribute to me? I don't think so. I have already said that I don't have any numbers. Do you know of a survey that's been done? If you have some evidence that contradicts my opinion I wouldn't mind seeing it, I am here to learn.
Or liberals...Evil babykillers without souls, of course.
Most Islamic studies teachers in public and private schools in Java oppose pluralism, tending toward radicalism and conservatism, according to a survey released in Jakarta on Tuesday.
The study shows 62.4 percent of the surveyed Islamic teachers, including those from Nahdlatul Ulama and Muhammadiyah the countrys two largest Muslim organizations reject the notion of having non-Muslim leaders.
The survey was conducted last month by the Center for Islamic and Society Studies (PPIM) at Syarif Hidayatullah State Islamic University in Jakarta, involving some 500 Islamic studies teachers throughout Java.
It reveals 68.6 percent of the respondents are opposed to non-Muslims becoming their school principle and 33.8 percent are opposed to having non-Muslim teachers at their schools.
Some 73.1 percent of the teachers dont want followers of other religions to build their houses of worship in their neighborhoods, it found.
Some 85.6 percent of the teachers prohibit their students from celebrating big events perceived as Western traditions, while 87 percent tell their students not to learn about other religions.
Some 48 percent of the teachers would prefer for female and male students to be separated into different classrooms.
PPIM director Jajat Burhanudin said the teachers anti-pluralist views would be reflected in their lessons and contribute to growing conservatism and radicalism among Muslims in the country.
So let me get this straight. Are you saying that all of the Muslim cabbies in line at our international airport who were seen high-fiving and whooping it up when the 9/11 news broke were all al Qaeda operatives?Here's a tip, Amanda. Google this phrase: "What percentage of Islamics are moderate" and see what you find. I know that internet research is a challenging way to spend one's afternoon, versus spewing namby pamby and unsubstantiated rhetoric about how the world should just hold hands and sing kumbaya, but try it. If you REALLY want to learn, that's the best way to do it, versus expecting other posters on an internet forum to do all your research for you.
here's a starting point:
Most Islamic studies teachers oppose pluralism, survey finds | The Jakarta Post
For the record, Indonesia is widely considered to be one of the most MODERATE of the Islamic countries.
Killing in the name of religion:
- Just under a third of Muslim students polled (32%) said killing in the name of religion can be justified the majority of these said killing could be justified if the religion was under attack, and 4% of all respondents supported killing in order to promote and preserve that religion.
- 60% of active members of campus Islamic societies said killing in the name of religion can be justified. By contrast, only 2% of non-Muslims agreed.
Apostasy:
- Half (50%) of Muslim students polled said they would be unsupportive of a friends decision to leave Islam. A quarter (25%) said they would be supportive.
- Almost half (45%) of Muslim students polled said that apostates should be encouraged to reconsider their decision by Muslim elders and people that care about them.
- A minority (6%) said that apostates should be punished in accordance with Sharia.
- Almost a quarter (24%) of Muslim student respondents do not feel that men and women are fully equal in the eyes of Allah.
- Female students (38%) were also more likely than males (27%) to perceive inequitable treatment of men and women in their local communities. While 37% of male Muslim students felt men and women were treated equally, only 26% of females felt the same.
- Two fifths (40%) of Muslim students polled supported the introduction of Sharia into British law for Muslims.
- A third (33%) of Muslim students polled supported the introduction of a worldwide Caliphate based on Sharia law. A majority (58%) of active members of campus Islamic Societies supported this idea.
I have no idea if it is the majority or minority of Islamists that are fundamental Jihadists...but with an estimated 1.4 Billion in the world today...do people honestly think that it is the majority?
So let me get this straight. Are you saying that all of the Muslim cabbies in line at our international airport who were seen high-fiving and whooping it up when the 9/11 news broke were all al Qaeda operatives?
Did I say that? Feel free to read up the thread. I'm quite certain I specifically addressed this point. You must have missed it.
If you were to take your statement "the overwhelming majority of modern terrorism is committed by Islamists" and change it to "the overwhelming majority of violent crime committed in the US is committed by blacks" would you draw the conclusion then that all blacks are bad people? I would hope not, but you seem to be making the same kind of leap.
I guess I did - why don't you try again? Were these just plain ole moderate Muslim cabbies that just enjoy it when America takes a hit? Or is my city just filled with terrorist cabbies?Did I say that? Feel free to read up the thread. I'm quite certain I specifically addressed this point. You must have missed it.
I will glady denounce all of Islam for the actions of a few when many on this board denounce all of Christianity and it's brutal history because of the actions of a few.
Christianity has a long history of inhumanity and human rights violations. Were we still living during the Inquisition and the Crusades, I'm quite certain I'd be atop a pile of burning faggots.
I guess I did - why don't you try again? Were these just plain ole moderate Muslim cabbies that just enjoy it when America takes a hit? Or is my city just filled with terrorist cabbies?
(Or maybe their all just liberals...)
So are you claiming that killing, torture, and human rights violations in the name of Christianity have stopped?
As would my family.Christianity has a long history of inhumanity and human rights violations. Were we still living during the Inquisition and the Crusades, I'm quite certain I'd be atop a pile of burning faggots.
There was peace between those 2? Since when?
And, here is a 126 page document you can read to learn about the opinions of Islamic college students in the UK, 33% of whom believed it was acceptable to kill in the name of their religion.
http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/pdf/IslamonCampus.pdf
here is the executive summary in case you can't be bothered to wade through all 126 pages: