The Gettysburg Address

[Rotagilla]

Yet Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation specifically exempted those areas under Federal control from freeing the first slave.

Only points scored are for rhetoric.

...and a president isn't allowed to subvert/evade congress by unilateral "proclamation".


Plus, lincoln's "proclamation" had no legal weight in the south as it was a sovereign nation in its' own right.

lincoln could have just as well "proclaimed" that the moon was made of cheese...meaningless.

what it DID do,, however, was inflame negroes in the south to resist and act as guerrilla fighters to undermine the south....and it served to isolate the south from france and england by painting a false picture that the south was fighting "for" slavery.


With all the men away fighting and no one to protect the property and women, the slaves, with no skills, no jobs and no place to go (the north DAMNED sure didn't want them there) went feral.

 

[Rotagilla]

That there's no civil war coming. Pack up your balls and go home.

That's what the romans said...that's what the french said in 1789....that's what the russians said in 1917, that's what the british said in 1776..etc...etc..etc..throughout history.

"Oh, it'll never happen here" they all said......LMAO...
All governments are born in revolution and bloodshed and they all die in revolution and bloodshed.
Read some history, mate.

 

[G.T.]

That there's no civil war coming. Pack up your balls and go home.

That's what the romans said...that's what the french said in 1789....that's what the russians said in 1917, that's what the british said in 1776..etc...etc..etc..throughout history.

"Oh, it'll never happen here" they all said......LMAO...
All governments are born in revolution and bloodshed and they all die in revolution and bloodshed.
Read some history, mate.

did they all say that?

good for them.

 

[paperview]

Yet Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation specifically exempted those areas under Federal control from freeing the first slave.

Only points scored are for rhetoric.

...and a president isn't allowed to subvert/evade congress by unilateral "proclamation".


Plus, lincoln's "proclamation" had no legal weight in the south as it was a sovereign nation in its' own right.

lincoln could have just as well "proclaimed" that the moon was made of cheese...meaningless.

what it DID do,, however, was inflame negroes in the south to resist and act as guerrilla fighters to undermine the south....and it served to isolate the south from france and england by painting a false picture that the south was fighting "for" slavery.


With all the men away fighting and no one to protect the property and women, the slaves, with no skills, no jobs and no place to go (the north DAMNED sure didn't want them there) went feral.

Er...

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[Rotagilla]

Er...

"Er", what?

 

[gipper]

Er...

"Er", what?

The Lincoln Cultist is incapable of seeing the truth...all they see is ending slavery. They see that as a worthy goal, which no one would dispute (though they regularly make straw-man arguments about those who criticize Dishonest Abe for his many tyrannical actions, and call us lovers of slavery).

The problem is Lincoln's war of aggression resulted in 850k deaths, destruction of half the nation, and acceleration of centralized power to DC. Of course, the cultist does not concern themselves with these terrible consequences. The fact that Lincoln ignored the Constitution, committed treason by warring on fellow Americans, and prosecuted a war merely for the benefit of Republican northern interests, is also of no concern to them.

With these kooky Lincoln cultists, the consequences be damned....ending slavery at all costs is all that mattered. Most of the western world ended slavery without violence. Many northern states terminated slavery without violence...these facts mean little to the cultist.

If Lincoln had the a-bomb and used on the South, the cultist would say good job Abe!!!

 

[Rotagilla]

That there's no civil war coming. Pack up your balls and go home.

That's what the romans said...that's what the french said in 1789....that's what the russians said in 1917, that's what the british said in 1776..etc...etc..etc..throughout history.

"Oh, it'll never happen here" they all said......LMAO...
All governments are born in revolution and bloodshed and they all die in revolution and bloodshed.
Read some history, mate.

did they all say that?

good for them.

By abandoning your position and changing the subject, I presume you agree with my examples of how oppressive governments historically end.

 

[G.T.]

That's what the romans said...that's what the french said in 1789....that's what the russians said in 1917, that's what the british said in 1776..etc...etc..etc..throughout history.

"Oh, it'll never happen here" they all said......LMAO...
All governments are born in revolution and bloodshed and they all die in revolution and bloodshed.
Read some history, mate.

did they all say that?

good for them.

By abandoning your position and changing the subject, I presume you agree with my examples of how oppressive governments historically end.

Abandoning what position?

Do you often talk to yourself?

 

[Rotagilla]

did they all say that?

good for them.

By abandoning your position and changing the subject, I presume you agree with my examples of how oppressive governments historically end.

Abandoning what position?

Do you often talk to yourself?

I'm typing. You're replying.
Anything you care to say about the topic or have you abandoned it completely now?

 

[Rotagilla]

Er...

"Er", what?

The Lincoln Cultist is incapable of seeing the truth...all they see is ending slavery. They see that as a worthy goal, which no one would dispute (though they regularly make straw-man arguments about those who criticize Dishonest Abe for his many tyrannical actions, and call us lovers of slavery).

The problem is Lincoln's war of aggression resulted in 850k deaths, destruction of half the nation, and acceleration of centralized power to DC. Of course, the cultist does not concern themselves with these terrible consequences. The fact that Lincoln ignored the Constitution, committed treason by warring on fellow Americans, and prosecuted a war merely for the benefit of Republican northern interests, is also of no concern to them.

With these kooky Lincoln cultists, the consequences be damned....ending slavery at all costs is all that mattered. Most of the western world ended slavery without violence. Many northern states terminated slavery without violence...these facts mean little to the cultist.

If Lincoln had the a-bomb and used on the South, the cultist would say good job Abe!!!

This is the one they always choke on.

LMAO

"Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world.Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people, that can may revolutionize and make their own of so many of the territory as they inhabit."

 

[G.T.]

By abandoning your position and changing the subject, I presume you agree with my examples of how oppressive governments historically end.

Abandoning what position?

Do you often talk to yourself?

I'm typing. You're replying.
Anything you care to say about the topic or have you abandoned it completely now?

Now I've abandoned the "topic," not my "position?"

Tell me, are you on crack?>

 

[Unkotare]

The problem is Lincoln's war of aggression ...

There was no such war. It was the American Civil War, and no amount of doublespeak will change the fact that traitorous southern rebels are responsible for every death that occurred. Ignorance and insistence do not have the power to alter reality.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Picaro is guilty of false equivalency with the photos suggesting the Union's black units were like the SS adjunct units.

It's not true, it's deliberately a lie, and it reveals a real hatred of people of color.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The south tried to peacefully secede. The south offered to pay for all federal facilities on their soil.

One, the South had no constitutional right to secede.

Two, Lincoln made it quite clear that the South could keep slavery as long as it recognized that it could not go into the territories and that federal property would be preserved and the results of electoral, constitutional process followed.

The South went to war, and Lincoln executed the South.

 

[Rotagilla]

The problem is Lincoln's war of aggression ...

There was no such war. It was the American Civil War, and no amount of doublespeak will change the fact that traitorous southern rebels are responsible for every death that occurred. Ignorance and insistence do not have the power to alter reality.

lincoln said in Congress;

"Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world.Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people that can, may revolutionize and make their own of so many of the territory as they inhabit."

The south tried to peacefully and legally secede.



The north invaded hoping to provoke shooting. lincoln himself said so.


The war of northern aggression was not fought to end or preserve slavery. lincoln himself said so.


These points have been demonstrated to you time and again and you continue to refuse to address any of them. If you did not understand them, go back and re-read them.

If you cannot keep pace with the debate, perhaps you should excuse yourself from it?

 

[JakeStarkey]

"Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better.

You don't do context well, do you? The criminal regime rose up and not having the power was executed.

 

[JakeStarkey]

"Plus, lincoln's "proclamation" had no legal weight in the south as it was a sovereign nation in its' own right."

False premise: the South was not a sovereign nation.

 

[Rotagilla]

One, the South had no constitutional right to secede.

Incorrect. The 10th amendment supports it.

lincoln himself even said;

"Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world.Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people that can, may revolutionize and make their own of so many of the territory as they inhabit."

Two, Lincoln made it quite clear that the South could keep slavery as long as it recognized that it could not go into the territories and that federal property would be preserved and the results of electoral, constitutional process followed.

The south wasn't fighting to preserve slavery. The north wasn't fighting to end it.
Everyone knew slavery was a dying practice because of the dawning of the industrial revolution. MAchines work better and are cheaper to maintain than farm animals. Everyone knows that.

The South went war, and Lincoln executed the South.

The southern states voted legally within their legislatures to peacefully secede and then attempted to do so.

lincoln illegally sent troops to reinforce a fort that was no longer federal property, (an invasion) knowing/hoping to provoke shooting so he could have his war.


The southern patriots defended their homeland.

 

[peach174]

You're a moron.

Slavery existed in the North as well as the South. The Constitution of the United States required the federal government to enforce the institution of slavery. If the South wasn't looking for self-determination, then neither was the federal government. So, once again, the Gettysburg Address is a fraud.

"Conceived in Liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal....."

Southern traitors need not apply

The federal government enforced slavery, you fucking moron.

No it didn't. They had outlawed slavery in 8 of the 13 colonies.
They passed the Northwest ordinance that outlawed slavery.

 

[Moonglow]

Er...

"Er", what?

The Lincoln Cultist is incapable of seeing the truth...all they see is ending slavery. They see that as a worthy goal, which no one would dispute (though they regularly make straw-man arguments about those who criticize Dishonest Abe for his many tyrannical actions, and call us lovers of slavery).

The problem is Lincoln's war of aggression resulted in 850k deaths, destruction of half the nation, and acceleration of centralized power to DC. Of course, the cultist does not concern themselves with these terrible consequences. The fact that Lincoln ignored the Constitution, committed treason by warring on fellow Americans, and prosecuted a war merely for the benefit of Republican northern interests, is also of no concern to them.

With these kooky Lincoln cultists, the consequences be damned....ending slavery at all costs is all that mattered. Most of the western world ended slavery without violence. Many northern states terminated slavery without violence...these facts mean little to the cultist.

If Lincoln had the a-bomb and used on the South, the cultist would say good job Abe!!!

Lincoln offered to buy the slaves from the southern people, drew up the legislation, had sold bonds for the purchase, but the south rejected the offer...