The first 15 reasons we have gun crime in the United States....and the list will grow all year...we have to stop democrat judges and prosecutors.

[SavannahMann]

What is it with you idiot democrats and raising taxes? All we need to do is stop wasting money, and use it for the purposes it was taken for.....

100 billion dollars in covid relief was stolen......

• Criminals have stolen close to $100 billion in pandemic relief funds, the U.S. Secret Service said Tuesday.
• The stolen funds were diverted by fraudsters from the Small Business Administration’s Paycheck Protection Program, the Economic Injury Disaster Loan program and a another program.

Criminals have stolen nearly $100 billion in Covid relief funds, Secret Service says

Criminals targeting pandemic relief funds have stolen close to $100 billion, the U.S. Secret Service said Tuesday.

www.cnbc.com

Hmmm....that is just stolen covid relief....imagine all the other money wasted by government.....we have more than enough money already, we don't need to give idiots like you even more money in taxes for you to waste or steal.....

A federal prison costs between 98 and 162 million to build....and can hold up to 2,500 prisoners......

We have more than enough money to hold the most violent criminals.....we just have to keep the democrats from letting them out over and over again...

https://oig.justice.gov/reports/BOP/a0232/final.pdf

Federal Prison Security Levels — Federal Prison Time

www.federalprisontime.com

they are letting the criminals out who serve their sentences. Idiot.

 

[2aguy]

they are letting the criminals out who serve their sentences. Idiot.

No...moron, they aren't.......

California Democrats hate the gun, not the gunman – Orange County Register

Now that Democrats have supermajorities in the California state Legislature, they’ve rolled into Sacramento with a zest for lowering the state’s prison population and have interpreted St. Augustine’s words of wisdom to mean, “Hate the gun, not the gunman.”

I say this because, once they finally took a break from preaching about the benefits of stricter gun control, the state Senate voted to loosen sentencing guidelines for criminals convicted of gun crimes.

Currently, California law requires anyone who uses a gun while committing a felony to have their sentence increased by 10 years or more in prison — on top of the normal criminal penalty. If enacted, Senate Bill 620 would eliminate that mandate.

The bill, which passed on a 22-14 party-line vote, with support only from Democrats, now heads to the state Assembly for consideration.

Republicans and the National Rifle Association have vowed to campaign against it.

Why have Democrats suddenly developed a soft spot for criminals convicted of gun crimes? The bill’s author, state Sen. Steve Bradford, D-Gardena, says that he was motivated to write the bill after a 17-year-old riding in a car involved in a drive-by shooting was sentenced to 25 years in prison, even though he claims that he wasn’t the one who pulled the trigger.

and for all those anti-gunners who want to know where criminals get guns....well...this law lowers the prison time for those who give guns to criminals.....

Why is that?

Prop. 57, for example, very deceptively and fundamentally changed the definition of what constitutes a “non-violent” offense.


supplying a firearm to a gang member,

l
felon obtaining a firearm,

discharging a firearm on school grounds
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5 gang members shooting at each other on a Chicago street, all caught on video by police cameras, two of them left on the ground with bullets in them.........and kim foxx, democrat State's Attorney refused to press charges

One person was killed and several others injured on Friday when a shootout broke out among alleged gang members in the Austin neighborhood that was caught on police cameras – but Foxx didn’t charge five suspects saying there was insufficient evidence.

Chicago mayor, State Attorney Kim Foxx clash over deadly shootout

Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot ripped Cook County’s State Attorney Kim Foxx for not bringing charges in a deadly West Side shooting – and Foxx is retaliating.

nypost.com

 

[SavannahMann]

No...moron, they aren't.......

California Democrats hate the gun, not the gunman – Orange County Register

Now that Democrats have supermajorities in the California state Legislature, they’ve rolled into Sacramento with a zest for lowering the state’s prison population and have interpreted St. Augustine’s words of wisdom to mean, “Hate the gun, not the gunman.”

I say this because, once they finally took a break from preaching about the benefits of stricter gun control, the state Senate voted to loosen sentencing guidelines for criminals convicted of gun crimes.

Currently, California law requires anyone who uses a gun while committing a felony to have their sentence increased by 10 years or more in prison — on top of the normal criminal penalty. If enacted, Senate Bill 620 would eliminate that mandate.

The bill, which passed on a 22-14 party-line vote, with support only from Democrats, now heads to the state Assembly for consideration.

Republicans and the National Rifle Association have vowed to campaign against it.

Why have Democrats suddenly developed a soft spot for criminals convicted of gun crimes? The bill’s author, state Sen. Steve Bradford, D-Gardena, says that he was motivated to write the bill after a 17-year-old riding in a car involved in a drive-by shooting was sentenced to 25 years in prison, even though he claims that he wasn’t the one who pulled the trigger.

and for all those anti-gunners who want to know where criminals get guns....well...this law lowers the prison time for those who give guns to criminals.....

Why is that?

Prop. 57, for example, very deceptively and fundamentally changed the definition of what constitutes a “non-violent” offense.


supplying a firearm to a gang member,

l
felon obtaining a firearm,

discharging a firearm on school grounds
=========

5 gang members shooting at each other on a Chicago street, all caught on video by police cameras, two of them left on the ground with bullets in them.........and kim foxx, democrat State's Attorney refused to press charges

One person was killed and several others injured on Friday when a shootout broke out among alleged gang members in the Austin neighborhood that was caught on police cameras – but Foxx didn’t charge five suspects saying there was insufficient evidence.

Chicago mayor, State Attorney Kim Foxx clash over deadly shootout

Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot ripped Cook County’s State Attorney Kim Foxx for not bringing charges in a deadly West Side shooting – and Foxx is retaliating.

nypost.com

And California Prisons are running at 137.5% of capacity.

California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation Exits Last Out-of-State Prison - News Releases

Out-of-state prisons had been in use since 2006 to ease prison overcrowding SACRAMENTO — In a major step toward fulfilling a promise made by Governor Gavin

www.cdcr.ca.gov

There is no money to build new prisons. It costs $100k a year to house a prisoner.

Legislative Analyst's Office

lao.ca.gov

There are 122k prisoners. Now. Get your calculator out and figure out how much California is spending on prisoners and prisons.

How much more do they need to spend? How much more do they need to raise taxes?

 

[2aguy]

And California Prisons are running at 137.5% of capacity.

California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation Exits Last Out-of-State Prison - News Releases

Out-of-state prisons had been in use since 2006 to ease prison overcrowding SACRAMENTO — In a major step toward fulfilling a promise made by Governor Gavin

www.cdcr.ca.gov

There is no money to build new prisons. It costs $100k a year to house a prisoner.

Legislative Analyst's Office

lao.ca.gov

There are 122k prisoners. Now. Get your calculator out and figure out how much California is spending on prisoners and prisons.

How much more do they need to spend? How much more do they need to raise taxes?

100,000 well spent...

Again, you doofus.........take back just a tiny amount from the waste, fraud and abuse and we have more than enough money to keep violent rapists and murderers in jail and prison...

 

[Vegasgiants]

100,000 well spent...

Again, you doofus.........take back just a tiny amount from the waste, fraud and abuse and we have more than enough money to keep violent rapists and murderers in jail and prison...

Alabana won't spend it

 

[SavannahMann]

100,000 well spent...

Again, you doofus.........take back just a tiny amount from the waste, fraud and abuse and we have more than enough money to keep violent rapists and murderers in jail and prison...

So by reducing the penalty for just having a gun they can focus on keeping the actual rapists in prison for the rape?

I see the problem. You are an idiot.

 

[Captain Caveman]

2aguy

In the data year 2010, per 100,000 population, rapes in the US were 27.31 and in the UK 27.29.

Rape Statistics by Country 2022

So just a very tiny difference between the two countries, yet you feel out of control gun distribution is what you guys need to solve your rape problem.

So guns against rape is a guise, guns for self defence is a guise.

 

[2aguy]

2aguy

In the data year 2010, per 100,000 population, rapes in the US were 27.31 and in the UK 27.29.

Rape Statistics by Country 2022

So just a very tiny difference between the two countries, yet you feel out of control gun distribution is what you guys need to solve your rape problem.

So guns against rape is a guise, guns for self defence is a guise.

And at that point, women were the smallest number of gun owners in this country......like many things, women have changed and are now the biggest sector of new gun owners.....

We have 330 million Americans, your island has 62 million........

Self defense by the numbers....you twit...can you understand numbers that are more than the total of your fingers and toes?

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

2021 national firearm survey, Prof. William English, PhD. designed by Deborah Azrael of Harvard T. Chan School of public policy, and Mathew Miller, Northeastern university.......1.67 million defensive uses annually.

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

2021 national firearms survey..

The survey was designed by Deborah Azrael of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and Matthew Miller of Northeastern University,
----
The survey further finds that approximately a third of gun owners (31.1%) have used a firearm to defend themselves or their property, often on more than one occasion, and it estimates that guns are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year. Handguns are the most common firearm employed for self-defense (used in 65.9% of defensive incidents), and in most defensive incidents (81.9%) no shot was fired. Approximately a quarter (25.2%) of defensive incidents occurred within the gun owner's home, and approximately half (53.9%) occurred outside their home, but on their property. About one out of ten (9.1%) defensive gun uses occurred in public, and about one out of twenty (4.8%) occurred at work.
2021 National Firearms Survey

 

[otto105]

_D.C……under total control by the democrat party…….likely the shooter has a criminal record a mile long, but we will see….and they have extreme gun control in the city……

Meanwhile, millions of normal gun owners didnt shoot at anyone and thousands used their legal guns to save lives.

Oh no....it's a conspiracy thing....

 

[Captain Caveman]

And at that point, women were the smallest number of gun owners in this country......like many things, women have changed and are now the biggest sector of new gun owners.....

We have 330 million Americans, your island has 62 million........

Self defense by the numbers....you twit...can you understand numbers that are more than the total of your fingers and toes?

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

2021 national firearm survey, Prof. William English, PhD. designed by Deborah Azrael of Harvard T. Chan School of public policy, and Mathew Miller, Northeastern university.......1.67 million defensive uses annually.

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

2021 national firearms survey..

The survey was designed by Deborah Azrael of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and Matthew Miller of Northeastern University,
----
The survey further finds that approximately a third of gun owners (31.1%) have used a firearm to defend themselves or their property, often on more than one occasion, and it estimates that guns are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year. Handguns are the most common firearm employed for self-defense (used in 65.9% of defensive incidents), and in most defensive incidents (81.9%) no shot was fired. Approximately a quarter (25.2%) of defensive incidents occurred within the gun owner's home, and approximately half (53.9%) occurred outside their home, but on their property. About one out of ten (9.1%) defensive gun uses occurred in public, and about one out of twenty (4.8%) occurred at work.
2021 National Firearms Survey

That's why the numbers quoted are per 100,000. So it doesn't matter if the population was a billion and the other country 1 million. To compare like for like, it's per 100,000. It's likely even less women in the UK own a gun, yet the stats are virtually the same between the US and UK so guns make no difference in the prevention of rape.

But good try Mr. Copy n Paste.

 

[Blues Man]

He seems pro-gun (any kind) for everybody(no matter who), anywhere, all the time. Sounds very much like the wild wild west of the late 1800s to when the population was 38 to 62 million people, but now we have about 330 million in the same space. Many do not need to be carrying in the best interests of society, for one reason or another, but we do not know who they are until after the fact. Then of course, they are easily identifiable. Juvenile delinquents and criminals are identified. These should never have weapons. For this, I like stop, frisk, confiscate and or incarcerate. That is just me. I have no problem with stop and frisk, as I am fully licensed, background checked, and do not carry or possess illegal weapons, or stolen weapons. I believe in training, certification, etc, but not in states that have used it as a money making scam to deprive normal citizens of their right, and yes, theses asshole states do exist. Constitutional carry is not a great idea, but where the state has so screwed up gun rights as to make it a hurdle for normal people, it is the easiest and quickest way to make it so, not only criminals can carry weapons defensively. Even with Republicans, it is quicker and cheaper to go with constitutional carry than to reign in the taxation and employment in place to maintain the hurdle system. Republicans only cut income taxes not state taxes and fees, benefitting state coffers of government employment positions.

The wild west wasn't very wild.

You might want to get your history from academic sources and not movies and TV

Ridiculous History: The Wild, Wild West Was Really the Mild, Mild West

We think the Wild West was a big shoot-'em-up, but statistically speaking, people of the wild frontier were more likely to encounter a handshake than a bullet.

history.howstuffworks.com

 

[Blues Man]

The real problem is giving the idiots that want a gun to shoot others under the guise of self defence.

You still spouting that bullshit.

Just because you think a person doesn't have the right to defend himself in no way means that he doesn't

Like I have told you umpteen times already our murder rate is what it is because the powers that be want it that way.

 

[Blues Man]

Most shootings are between gangs and criminals themselves. All other incidents are miniscule in the grand scheme of things, and as you pointed out, most gun deaths are by suicide and not from the bizarre idea of self defence. If someone feels the need to shoot someone, the 2 amendment gave the right to both who were willing to shoot one another a firearm. Willing to shoot someone makes that's person a bad choice to have a firearm.

Why does insulting people you disagree with make you feel better about yourself?

M14 Shooter

And why is that?

It's because the fucking government doesn;t enforce the gun laws we have on the books that's why. It has nothing to do with people who own guns legally

 

[Blues Man]

They serve their sentences. And if released early are done so primarily because of overcrowding.

So we need more prisons. And that means more money. And that means we need to collect more taxes. Cutting waste won’t get a tenth of what we need. Just as higher MPG ratings don’t create a single ounce of oil.

We do not need more prisons. We need to reserve prisons for violent offenders and implement alternate sentencing for nonviolent and drug offenses

 

[Captain Caveman]

And why is that?

It's because the fucking government doesn;t enforce the gun laws we have on the books that's why. It has nothing to do with people who own guns legally

Because gang members and criminals are scum retards. It's two things, law enforcement enforcing the laws, and those who own guns legally, have been checked that they're suitable in owning a gun, and that gun is a suitable size/calibre etc..

It's a cultural change and gun nuts definitely hate change.

 

[Blues Man]

Because gang members and criminals are scum retards. It's two things, law enforcement enforcing the laws, and those who own guns legally, have been checked that they're suitable in owning a gun, and that gun is a suitable size/calibre etc..

It's a cultural change and gun nuts definitely hate change.

Don't let the FACTS get in the way.

The vast majority of those who LEGALLY own guns are not the problem so restricting those people from their ability to own firearms won't do JACK SHIT to lower the murder rate

 

[AZrailwhale]

Would the lack of prison space to house all the shooters be a reason that would cover all the others as secondary reasons?

Suppose all shooters, including the Rittenhouses, were jailed and that increased the number of beds needed by double the current number.

Would the taxpayers be willing to foot the bill, or would it be necessary to up the penalty to death for minor bullet injuries?

Or would there be any support for imposing the death penalty on all black shooters?

First, for the millionth time, Rittenhouse did nothing illegal or even morally wrong. Second, move the low level offenders and drug users to a minimum security setup similar to a military basic training base to free up space in real penitentiaries for violent criminals.

 

[AZrailwhale]

The death penalty has never been proven to be a deterrent.

No punishment is a deterrent. What the death penalty does is permanently remove someone from society who has proven he will not abide by the rules of a civil society. Done properly it’s cheap and effective. The only reason it’s expensive is that we have allowed a anti-death penalty industry to evolve that goes to incredible lengths to prevent executions.

 

[AZrailwhale]

What we need to do is increase taxes. Doubling them is probably a good start.

This money would be spent on prisons. Since it costs between $60k a year and $100k a year to hold an inmate in prison, and you want all these people locked up for pretty much ever. Well we need more prisons. And that is going to cost a ton of money. Have to raise taxes.

So which Hard Core Conservative is going to campaign on higher taxes to keep criminals locked up?

Make the convicts work to pay for their keep. Prison industry used to make all the furniture the federal government used and many prisons had farms to grow much of their own food.

 

[AZrailwhale]

They serve their sentences. And if released early are done so primarily because of overcrowding.

So we need more prisons. And that means more money. And that means we need to collect more taxes. Cutting waste won’t get a tenth of what we need. Just as higher MPG ratings don’t create a single ounce of oil.

Or we need judges that don’t care if criminals are uncomfortable serving their sentences. As far as I’m concerned, prisons should be as uncomfortable as possible. No TV, no movies, no libraries, no law libraries, no workout areas just cells with concrete beds and foam rubber pads to speed on.