The essence of the facts

[jillian]

Muslims worship a God that is different from the one worshipped by Christians and Jews.
This might be due to the fact that Muslims often refer to God as "Allah". This concept is false, since "Allah" is simply the Arabic word for the One true "God" Who created the universe and all humanity. Let there be no doubt - Muslims worship the God of Noah, Abraham, Moses, David and Jesus. However, it is certainly true that Jews, Christians and Muslims all have different concepts of Almighty God. For example, Muslims - like Jews - reject the Christian beliefs of the Trinity and the Divine Incarnation.

This, however, does not mean that each of these three religions worships a different God - because, as we have already said, there is only One True God. Judaism, Christianity and Islam all claim to be “Abrahamic Faiths”, and all of them are also classified as “monotheistic.” However, Islam teaches that other religions have, in one way or another, distorted and nullified a pure and proper belief in Almighty God by neglecting His true teachings and mixing them with man-made ideas. Islam calls upon people to return to the one true God and to worship and obey Him alone. Islam teaches that God should be approached without intermediaries. That is because the merciful all-knowing God is completely in control of everything that exists and that He can bestow His grace and mercy on His creatures as He pleases; therefore no intercession, atonement or incarnation is necessary.




Arabic speaking people of all religions refer to God as "Allah". For example, if you pick up an Arabic translation of the Christian Bible you will see the word "Allah" where "God" is used in English. Therefore, Allah is not the god of only the Muslims, but the same God worshipped by all monotheistic faiths. This idea that "Allah" is different from "God" is illogical since it is tantamount to saying that the French worship a different "god" because they use the word "Dieu", that Spaniards worship a different "god" because they say "Dios" or that the Hebrews worshipped a different "god" because they called Him "Yahweh"!

The Quran, which is the divine scripture of Muslims, was revealed in the Arabic language, so Muslims use the word "Allah" for "God", even when they are speaking other languages. A more literal translation of "Allah" into English might be "the one- and-only God" or "the one true God".

It should be clearly understood that what Islam is primarily concerned with is correcting humankind's concept of Almighty God. What people are ultimately going to be held accountable for at the end of Day of Judgment is not whether they preferred the word "Allah" or the word "God", but what their concept of Him is. The true concept of God is clarified only within the message revealed by Him. The last message sent by God, or Allah, is the Quran.

بروفيسورة تتحدى ذاكر نايك وتقول له اثبت انني على خطأ وسوف ادخل الاسلام .. تحدي خطير جداً !!




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same G-d... .different ways of talking to them.

there are a LOT of misguided fundamentalists..... of all persuasions.

 

[jillian]

I don't know-----how old was she? King David placed his rival in romance in a dangerous position so that he would die------and Samuel
never let him forget that breach of ethics--------he is-----for those who learned their high school literature stuff-----a TRAGIC HERO -----in
the classical greek way of doing literature.
I read the Koran about 50 years ago. I read lots of ancient literature.
In all cases "sin" catches up with the sinners-------as it did with David----
As I read the Koran I was waiting to know how the MANY SINS of
muhummad would "catch up" with him. It never happened. He remains "sinless" in the minds of the brainless

I don't know , but I imagine younger than him, boy marries girl. Jasher 45


21 And Jacob sent to Aram, the son of Zoba, the son of Terah, and he took for his son Benjamin Mechalia the daughter of Aram, and she came to the land of Canaan to the house of Jacob; and Benjamin was ten years old when he took Mechalia the daughter of Aram for a wife.

yeah? so? How did it go for the
young couple? Benjamin was considerably younger than was
Joseph and the whole Jacob household moved to Egypt ---to
Goshen when Benjamin was still a kid. Based on that sort of reckoning it seems that the marriage took place before they all went
to Goshen. -----two kids, Mechalia and little Benjamin----honeymoon
in Goshen. How old was Mechalia? very romantic

Benny had 5 boys with her and got married again at age 18 and had 5 more boys, according to Jasher, which is referenced in the OT, the day the sun stood still. Joshua 10:12 taken right from Jasher.

So the sun stood still,
and the moon stopped,
till the nation avenged itself on its enemies,

as it is written in the Book of Jashar.

The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day. 14 There has never been a day like it before or since, a day when the Lord listened to a human being. Surely the Lord was fighting for Israel!

Yeah? so? Jasher is a book (well actually scroll) written by some
literate person LONG AGO------when your illiterate ancestors were living in trees.
Why does this particular book so FASCINATE YOU?. I have to admit---
BOOKS do fascinate me. -----most books. Even idiotic crude primitive crap like "Beowulf" I did enjoy the stories about ROBIN HOOD----
he lived at about the same time as did Maimonides

Well I infer must of the OT was copied from Jasher.

The books of Jasher were written AFTER biblical times.

 

[irosie91]

I don't know , but I imagine younger than him, boy marries girl. Jasher 45


21 And Jacob sent to Aram, the son of Zoba, the son of Terah, and he took for his son Benjamin Mechalia the daughter of Aram, and she came to the land of Canaan to the house of Jacob; and Benjamin was ten years old when he took Mechalia the daughter of Aram for a wife.

yeah? so? How did it go for the
young couple? Benjamin was considerably younger than was
Joseph and the whole Jacob household moved to Egypt ---to
Goshen when Benjamin was still a kid. Based on that sort of reckoning it seems that the marriage took place before they all went
to Goshen. -----two kids, Mechalia and little Benjamin----honeymoon
in Goshen. How old was Mechalia? very romantic

Benny had 5 boys with her and got married again at age 18 and had 5 more boys, according to Jasher, which is referenced in the OT, the day the sun stood still. Joshua 10:12 taken right from Jasher.

So the sun stood still,
and the moon stopped,
till the nation avenged itself on its enemies,

as it is written in the Book of Jashar.

The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day. 14 There has never been a day like it before or since, a day when the Lord listened to a human being. Surely the Lord was fighting for Israel!

Yeah? so? Jasher is a book (well actually scroll) written by some
literate person LONG AGO------when your illiterate ancestors were living in trees.
Why does this particular book so FASCINATE YOU?. I have to admit---
BOOKS do fascinate me. -----most books. Even idiotic crude primitive crap like "Beowulf" I did enjoy the stories about ROBIN HOOD----
he lived at about the same time as did Maimonides

Well I infer must of the OT was copied from Jasher.

The books of Jasher were written AFTER biblical times.

what are we calling "biblical times"?

 

[Penelope]

I don't know , but I imagine younger than him, boy marries girl. Jasher 45


21 And Jacob sent to Aram, the son of Zoba, the son of Terah, and he took for his son Benjamin Mechalia the daughter of Aram, and she came to the land of Canaan to the house of Jacob; and Benjamin was ten years old when he took Mechalia the daughter of Aram for a wife.

yeah? so? How did it go for the
young couple? Benjamin was considerably younger than was
Joseph and the whole Jacob household moved to Egypt ---to
Goshen when Benjamin was still a kid. Based on that sort of reckoning it seems that the marriage took place before they all went
to Goshen. -----two kids, Mechalia and little Benjamin----honeymoon
in Goshen. How old was Mechalia? very romantic

Benny had 5 boys with her and got married again at age 18 and had 5 more boys, according to Jasher, which is referenced in the OT, the day the sun stood still. Joshua 10:12 taken right from Jasher.

So the sun stood still,
and the moon stopped,
till the nation avenged itself on its enemies,

as it is written in the Book of Jashar.

The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day. 14 There has never been a day like it before or since, a day when the Lord listened to a human being. Surely the Lord was fighting for Israel!

Yeah? so? Jasher is a book (well actually scroll) written by some
literate person LONG AGO------when your illiterate ancestors were living in trees.
Why does this particular book so FASCINATE YOU?. I have to admit---
BOOKS do fascinate me. -----most books. Even idiotic crude primitive crap like "Beowulf" I did enjoy the stories about ROBIN HOOD----
he lived at about the same time as did Maimonides

Well I infer must of the OT was copied from Jasher.

The books of Jasher were written AFTER biblical times.

How did Joshua know about it then?

 

[irosie91]

how did Richard know about robin hood?

 

[Penelope]

how did Richard know about robin hood?

Richard who?

 

[irosie91]

how did Richard know about robin hood?

Richard who?

RICHARD THE LION HEARTED---one of your big time heroes.
That cast of characters------Richard, Robin, Maid Marian,
Friar Tuck, Salaadin, Maimonides ----were contemporaries
<I think-----don't quote me> The books of Jasher consist of
legendary stories-----not to be taken as firm history IMO-----
MIDRASH useful for parable type stuff

 

[Penelope]

how did Richard know about robin hood?

Richard who?

RICHARD THE LION HEARTED---one of your big time heroes.
That cast of characters------Richard, Robin, Maid Marian,
Friar Tuck, Salaadin, Maimonides ----were contemporaries
<I think-----don't quote me> The books of Jasher consist of
legendary stories-----not to be taken as firm history IMO-----
MIDRASH useful for parable type stuff

I guess Jasher is right, even the movies depict him as just a young boy when he met Joseph.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/2947-benjamin

Benjamin, until that time spoken of as "a child" (Gen. xlii. 13, xliv. 20), moved to Egypt with his father, Jacob, himself being the father of ten sons (Gen. xlvi. 21)

 

[ding]

how did Richard know about robin hood?

Richard who?

RICHARD THE LION HEARTED---one of your big time heroes.
That cast of characters------Richard, Robin, Maid Marian,
Friar Tuck, Salaadin, Maimonides ----were contemporaries
<I think-----don't quote me> The books of Jasher consist of
legendary stories-----not to be taken as firm history IMO-----
MIDRASH useful for parable type stuff

Do you even believe in God?

 

[irosie91]

how did Richard know about robin hood?

Richard who?

RICHARD THE LION HEARTED---one of your big time heroes.
That cast of characters------Richard, Robin, Maid Marian,
Friar Tuck, Salaadin, Maimonides ----were contemporaries
<I think-----don't quote me> The books of Jasher consist of
legendary stories-----not to be taken as firm history IMO-----
MIDRASH useful for parable type stuff

Do you even believe in God?

Do you believe in Robin Hood?

 

[rylah]

Muslims worship a God that is different from the one worshipped by Christians and Jews.
This might be due to the fact that Muslims often refer to God as "Allah". This concept is false, since "Allah" is simply the Arabic word for the One true "God" Who created the universe and all humanity. Let there be no doubt - Muslims worship the God of Noah, Abraham, Moses, David and Jesus. However, it is certainly true that Jews, Christians and Muslims all have different concepts of Almighty God. For example, Muslims - like Jews - reject the Christian beliefs of the Trinity and the Divine Incarnation.

This, however, does not mean that each of these three religions worships a different God - because, as we have already said, there is only One True God. Judaism, Christianity and Islam all claim to be “Abrahamic Faiths”, and all of them are also classified as “monotheistic.” However, Islam teaches that other religions have, in one way or another, distorted and nullified a pure and proper belief in Almighty God by neglecting His true teachings and mixing them with man-made ideas. Islam calls upon people to return to the one true God and to worship and obey Him alone. Islam teaches that God should be approached without intermediaries. That is because the merciful all-knowing God is completely in control of everything that exists and that He can bestow His grace and mercy on His creatures as He pleases; therefore no intercession, atonement or incarnation is necessary.




Arabic speaking people of all religions refer to God as "Allah". For example, if you pick up an Arabic translation of the Christian Bible you will see the word "Allah" where "God" is used in English. Therefore, Allah is not the god of only the Muslims, but the same God worshipped by all monotheistic faiths. This idea that "Allah" is different from "God" is illogical since it is tantamount to saying that the French worship a different "god" because they use the word "Dieu", that Spaniards worship a different "god" because they say "Dios" or that the Hebrews worshipped a different "god" because they called Him "Yahweh"!

The Quran, which is the divine scripture of Muslims, was revealed in the Arabic language, so Muslims use the word "Allah" for "God", even when they are speaking other languages. A more literal translation of "Allah" into English might be "the one- and-only God" or "the one true God".

It should be clearly understood that what Islam is primarily concerned with is correcting humankind's concept of Almighty God. What people are ultimately going to be held accountable for at the end of Day of Judgment is not whether they preferred the word "Allah" or the word "God", but what their concept of Him is. The true concept of God is clarified only within the message revealed by Him. The last message sent by God, or Allah, is the Quran.

بروفيسورة تتحدى ذاكر نايك وتقول له اثبت انني على خطأ وسوف ادخل الاسلام .. تحدي خطير جداً !!




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Moohammed was the founder of Islam. He was also a murderer and a pedophile. Enough said.

Benjamin got married at age 10, how old do you think his wife was, and King David was a murderer and adulterer.

I don't know-----how old was she? King David placed his rival in romance in a dangerous position so that he would die------and Samuel
never let him forget that breach of ethics--------he is-----for those who learned their high school literature stuff-----a TRAGIC HERO -----in
the classical greek way of doing literature.
I read the Koran about 50 years ago. I read lots of ancient literature.
In all cases "sin" catches up with the sinners-------as it did with David----
As I read the Koran I was waiting to know how the MANY SINS of
muhummad would "catch up" with him. It never happened. He remains "sinless" in the minds of the brainless

I don't know , but I imagine younger than him, boy marries girl. Jasher 45


21 And Jacob sent to Aram, the son of Zoba, the son of Terah, and he took for his son Benjamin Mechalia the daughter of Aram, and she came to the land of Canaan to the house of Jacob; and Benjamin was ten years old when he took Mechalia the daughter of Aram for a wife.

I couldn't find that verse in the Hebrew version.
But anyway "Sefer HaYashar" is Genesis.

 

[irosie91]

Muslims worship a God that is different from the one worshipped by Christians and Jews.
This might be due to the fact that Muslims often refer to God as "Allah". This concept is false, since "Allah" is simply the Arabic word for the One true "God" Who created the universe and all humanity. Let there be no doubt - Muslims worship the God of Noah, Abraham, Moses, David and Jesus. However, it is certainly true that Jews, Christians and Muslims all have different concepts of Almighty God. For example, Muslims - like Jews - reject the Christian beliefs of the Trinity and the Divine Incarnation.

This, however, does not mean that each of these three religions worships a different God - because, as we have already said, there is only One True God. Judaism, Christianity and Islam all claim to be “Abrahamic Faiths”, and all of them are also classified as “monotheistic.” However, Islam teaches that other religions have, in one way or another, distorted and nullified a pure and proper belief in Almighty God by neglecting His true teachings and mixing them with man-made ideas. Islam calls upon people to return to the one true God and to worship and obey Him alone. Islam teaches that God should be approached without intermediaries. That is because the merciful all-knowing God is completely in control of everything that exists and that He can bestow His grace and mercy on His creatures as He pleases; therefore no intercession, atonement or incarnation is necessary.




Arabic speaking people of all religions refer to God as "Allah". For example, if you pick up an Arabic translation of the Christian Bible you will see the word "Allah" where "God" is used in English. Therefore, Allah is not the god of only the Muslims, but the same God worshipped by all monotheistic faiths. This idea that "Allah" is different from "God" is illogical since it is tantamount to saying that the French worship a different "god" because they use the word "Dieu", that Spaniards worship a different "god" because they say "Dios" or that the Hebrews worshipped a different "god" because they called Him "Yahweh"!

The Quran, which is the divine scripture of Muslims, was revealed in the Arabic language, so Muslims use the word "Allah" for "God", even when they are speaking other languages. A more literal translation of "Allah" into English might be "the one- and-only God" or "the one true God".

It should be clearly understood that what Islam is primarily concerned with is correcting humankind's concept of Almighty God. What people are ultimately going to be held accountable for at the end of Day of Judgment is not whether they preferred the word "Allah" or the word "God", but what their concept of Him is. The true concept of God is clarified only within the message revealed by Him. The last message sent by God, or Allah, is the Quran.

بروفيسورة تتحدى ذاكر نايك وتقول له اثبت انني على خطأ وسوف ادخل الاسلام .. تحدي خطير جداً !!




Amazing Vid | British-Angolan Footballer Converts to Muslim-Part 1-'LIVE'






Christian Converts to Islam. Must See Ending -'Live' Street Dawah

Moohammed was the founder of Islam. He was also a murderer and a pedophile. Enough said.

Benjamin got married at age 10, how old do you think his wife was, and King David was a murderer and adulterer.

I don't know-----how old was she? King David placed his rival in romance in a dangerous position so that he would die------and Samuel
never let him forget that breach of ethics--------he is-----for those who learned their high school literature stuff-----a TRAGIC HERO -----in
the classical greek way of doing literature.
I read the Koran about 50 years ago. I read lots of ancient literature.
In all cases "sin" catches up with the sinners-------as it did with David----
As I read the Koran I was waiting to know how the MANY SINS of
muhummad would "catch up" with him. It never happened. He remains "sinless" in the minds of the brainless

I don't know , but I imagine younger than him, boy marries girl. Jasher 45


21 And Jacob sent to Aram, the son of Zoba, the son of Terah, and he took for his son Benjamin Mechalia the daughter of Aram, and she came to the land of Canaan to the house of Jacob; and Benjamin was ten years old when he took Mechalia the daughter of Aram for a wife.

I couldn't find that verse in the Hebrew version.
But anyway "Sefer HaYashar" is Genesis.

??? I think it is midrashic writing referring to the time of Genesis

 

[toty5]

Allah sent the prophets as a mercy to the slaves and supported them with miracles to indicate the truthfulness of their message. Of all the prophets, our Prophet, Muhammad, was blessed with the most miracles. Al-Isra 'and al-Mi ^ raj are among the many miracles of Prophet Muhammad.

The miracle of al-Isra 'is confirmed in the Qur'an. In Surat al-Isra ', Ayah 1, Allah said:


which means: [Praise be to Allah Who enabled His slave, Muhammad, to make the journey at night from Masjid al-Haram in Makkah to Masjid al-Aqsa in Jerusalem, which is surrounded a blessed land.] This journey is also confirmed in the sahih hadith. As such, there is scholarly consensus (ijma ^) Prophet Muhammad journeyed in body and soul the night of al-Isra 'from Masjid al-Haram in Makkah to Masjid al-Aqsain Jerusalem. Moreover, these scholars indicated the person who denies al-Isra 'is a blasphemer for belying the explicit text of the Qur'an.



Al-isra And Al-miraj ....... )scenes From Paradise And Fire


1- On Prophet Muhammad's journey from Masjid al-Haram to Masjid al-Aqsa, Allah enabled him to see some of His wondrous creations. Allah enabled the Prophet to see the world (dunya) like an old woman. However, this old woman was wearing a great deal of jewelry, and in this there is an indication signifying the reality of the world.


2- Allah enabled the Prophet to see Iblis. The Prophet saw something on the side of the road which did not dare to stand in his way or speak to him. What the Prophet saw was Iblis. Originally, Iblis was a believer and lived with the angels in Paradise. When Allah ordered the angels to prostrate (sujud) to Prophet Adam, Iblis was ordered to prostrate to him as well. The angels prostrated to Adam in obedience to Allah, because angels do not disobey Allah. However, Iblis did not obey, and he objected to the order of Allah. He said, "You created me out of fire, and You created him out of clay. How do You order me to prostrate to him?" So this objection by Iblis to the order of Allah was the first blasphemy he committed.


3- On his journey, the Prophet smelled a very nice odor. He asked Jibril about this pleasant scent and Jibril informed him this good smell was coming from the grave of the woman whose duty used to be to comb Pharaoh's daughter's hair. This woman was a good, pious believer. One day, as she was combing Pharaoh's daughter's hair, the comb fell from her hand.


At this she said, ""Bismillah. "Pharaoh's daughter asked her, "Do you have a god other than my father?" The woman said, "Yes. My Lord and the Lord of your father is Allah." Pharaoh's daughter told her father what had happened. Pharaoh demanded this woman blaspheme and leave Islam, but she refused. At that, Pharaoh threatened to kill her children. He brought a great pot of water and built a great fire under it. When the water boiled, Pharaoh brought her children and started to drop them into that pot one after the other.


Throughout all this, the woman remained steadfast to Islam, even when Pharaoh reached her youngest child--a little boy still bosom feeding--but she felt pity for him. At that, Allah enabled this child to speak. He said to his mother, "O Mother, be patient. The torture of the Hereafter is far more severe than the torture of this life, and do not be reluctant, because you are right." At this the woman requested Pharaoh collect her bones and the bones of her children and bury them in the same grave. Pharaoh promised her that--then dropped her into that boiling water. She died as a martyr. The good odor the Prophet smelled coming from her grave is an indication of her high status.



4- During his trip, the Prophet saw people who were planting and reaping in two days. Jibril told the Prophet, "These were the people who fight for the sake of Allah (mujahidun). "wink."


5- The Prophet also saw people whose lips and tongues were clipped with scissors made of fire. Jibril told the Prophet, "These are the speakers of sedition (fitna) who call people to misguidance."


6- He also saw a bull which exited a very small outlet, then was trying in vain to return through that small outlet. Jibril told the Prophet, "This is the example of the bad word--once spoken, it cannot be returned."



7- The Prophet saw people grazing like animals, with very little clothing on their private parts. Jibril told the Prophet, "These are the ones who refused to pay zakat. "."


8- The Prophet saw angels smashing some people's heads with rocks. These heads would return to the shape they had been, and then the angels would smash their heads again--and so on. Jibril told the Prophet, "These are the ones whose heads felt too heavy to perform prayer--the ones who used to sleep without praying."


9- On his journey the Prophet saw people who were competing to eat some rotten meat--ignoring meat that was sliced and unspoiled. Jibril told the Prophet, "These are people from your nation who leave out that which is permissible (halal), and consume that which is forbidden ((haram). "This reference was to the fornicators, that is, the ones who left out the permissible (marriage) and committed sins (fornication).


10- Also, the Prophet saw people who were drinking from the fluid coming from the bodies of the fornicators, (water mixed with blood). Jibril indicated to the Prophet these were the ones who were drinking the alcohol which is prohibited in this world.


11- The Prophet saw people scratching their faces and chests with brass finger nails. Jibril said, "These are the examples of those who commit gossip ((ghibah). "




ISRA MI'RAJ

 

[The Professor]

The Islamic belief about Jesus demystifies for us who the real Jesus was. Jesus in Islam was an extraordinary individual, chosen by God as a Prophet and sent to the Jewish people. He never preached that he himself was God or the actual son of God. He was miraculously born without a father, and he performed many amazing miracles such as healing the blind and the lepers and raising the dead – all by God’s permission. Muslims believe that Jesus will return before the day of Judgement to bring justice and peace to the world. This Islamic belief about Jesus is similar to the belief of some of the early Christians. In the Quran, God addresses the Christians about Jesus in the following way:

I am not convinced that the Qur'an speaks of the Virgin Birth with specificity and clarity. The Qur'an is clear on one thing: Jesus is not the son of God. Regarding the conception of Jesus, here is what the Qur'an says (M.H. Shakir Translation, verse numbers removed for easier reading):

“And mention Marium in the Book when she drew aside from her family to an eastern place; So she took a veil (to screen herself) from them; then We sent to her Our spirit, and there appeared to her a well-made man. She said: Surely I fly for refuge from you to the Beneficent God, if you are one guarding (against evil). He said: I am only a messenger of your Lord: That I will give you a pure boy. She said: When shall I have a boy and no mortal has yet touched me, nor have I been unchaste? He said: Even so; your Lord says: It is easy to Me: and that We may make him a sign to men and a mercy from Us, and it is a matter which has been decreed. So she conceived him; then withdrew herself with him to a remote place” (Marium, Sura 19:16-22, M.H. Shakir Translation, highlights my own).

The above scripture has been interpreted by some to mean that the father of Jesus was a man, a man sent by God but a man none the less. I can only opine – based upon my rather limited knowledge of the Qur'an - that such an interpretation is not unreasonable. I will yield to the the Islamic scholars on this site for a more thorough analysis of the birth of Jesus.

 

[irosie91]

The Islamic belief about Jesus demystifies for us who the real Jesus was. Jesus in Islam was an extraordinary individual, chosen by God as a Prophet and sent to the Jewish people. He never preached that he himself was God or the actual son of God. He was miraculously born without a father, and he performed many amazing miracles such as healing the blind and the lepers and raising the dead – all by God’s permission. Muslims believe that Jesus will return before the day of Judgement to bring justice and peace to the world. This Islamic belief about Jesus is similar to the belief of some of the early Christians. In the Quran, God addresses the Christians about Jesus in the following way:

I am not convinced that the Qur'an speaks of the Virgin Birth with specificity and clarity. The Qur'an is clear on one thing: Jesus is not the son of God. Regarding the conception of Jesus, here is what the Qur'an says (M.H. Shakir Translation, verse numbers removed for easier reading):

“And mention Marium in the Book when she drew aside from her family to an eastern place; So she took a veil (to screen herself) from them; then We sent to her Our spirit, and there appeared to her a well-made man. She said: Surely I fly for refuge from you to the Beneficent God, if you are one guarding (against evil). He said: I am only a messenger of your Lord: That I will give you a pure boy. She said: When shall I have a boy and no mortal has yet touched me, nor have I been unchaste? He said: Even so; your Lord says: It is easy to Me: and that We may make him a sign to men and a mercy from Us, and it is a matter which has been decreed. So she conceived him; then withdrew herself with him to a remote place” (Marium, Sura 19:16-22, M.H. Shakir Translation, highlights my own).

The above scripture has been interpreted by some to mean that the father of Jesus was a man, a man sent by God but a man none the less. I can only opine – based upon my rather limited knowledge of the Qur'an - that such an interpretation is not unreasonable. I will yield to the the Islamic scholars on this site for a more thorough analysis of the birth of Jesus.

when I read the Koran-----LONG LONG ago (pickthal), My impression from the translation was that "allah" appeared to Mary as a GOOD LOOKING GUY ------kinda like the way Greek gods impregnated "mortals"-------impregnated Mary. I found it a really naïve take on the story of the "virgin"------legally at that time Mary would be committing adultery with an "angel". The koranic account
debases the scriptural account of Mary. Beyond that story----it SEEMS to me that muslims who wrote that account want to reduce
the conception of Jesus as a "virgin" gives birth "MIRACLE"
wrought by an "angel" (or GINNI) and that's it. It's on the level
of turning water into wine and Muhummad flying around on a winged
horse. silly

 

[toty5]

the Quran describes how Mary, the mother of Jesus, was approached by an angel from God, bringing her tidings she had never imagined: that she will give birth to a son, a Messiah, who will be of the righteous and will be a prophet of God, calling the Children of Israel (the Israelites) to the straight path of God.


“(And mention) when the angels said, ‘O Mary, indeed God gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary – distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near (to God). He will speak to the people in the cradle and in maturity and will be of the righteous.” (Quran 3:45-46)


Naturally, for Mary, this news was both strange and seemingly impossible.


“She said, ‘My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?’ (The angel) said, “Such is God; He creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, ‘Be,’ and it is. And He will teach him writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel.” (Quran 3:47-48)


The very nature of Jesus is so special, that God compares the uniqueness of His creation to that of the first man and prophet, Adam.


“Indeed, the example of Jesus to God is like that of Adam. He created him from dust; then He said to him, ‘Be,’ and he was.” (Quran 3:59)

Jesus and His Miracles


Jesus became one of the greatest prophets of God, and was sent to the Children of Israel in order to confirm the teachings of his predecessor, the Prophet Moses. His birth was a miracle, and, like all prophets of God, he was granted several miracles. He approached his people, telling them:


“And (make him) a messenger to the Children of Israel, (who will say), ‘Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord’ in that I design for you from the clay (that which is) like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of God. And I cure the blind (from birth) and the leper, and I give life to the dead – by permission of God. And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers. And (I have come) confirming what was before me of the Torah and to make lawful for you some of what was forbidden to you. And I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so fear God and obey me. Indeed, God is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is the straight path.” (Quran 3:49-51)

Jesus’s Followers


The Quran continues the story of Jesus by relating several incidents of his life and his disciples.


“But when Jesus felt (persistence in) disbelief from them, he said, ‘Who are my supporters for (the cause of) God?’ The disciples said,” We are supporters for God. We have believed in God and testify that we are Muslims (submitting to Him.) Our Lord, we have believed in what You revealed and have followed the messenger (i.e., Jesus), so register us among the witnesses (to truth).” (Quran 3:52-53)


In another incident, after which an entire surah (chapter) of the Quran is named, the disciples of Jesus asked him for another miracle.


“(And remember) when the disciples said, ‘O Jesus, Son of Mary, can your Lord send down to us a table (spread with food) from the heaven?’ (Jesus) said, ‘Fear God, if you should be believers.’ They said, ‘We wish to eat from it and let our hearts be reassured and know that you have been truthful to us and be among its witnesses.’ Said Jesus, the son of Mary, ‘O God, our Lord, send down to us a table (spread with food) from the heaven to be for us a festival for the first of us and the last of us and a sign from You. And provide for us, and You are the best of providers.’” (Quran 5:112-114)


God sent them the table they had asked for, but not without a warning.


“God said, ‘Indeed, I will sent it down to you, but whoever disbelieves afterwards from among you – then indeed will I punish him with a punishment by which I have not punished anyone among the worlds.’” (Quran 5:115)

The End of the Story?


The story of Jesus never really ends in the Quran, as we are told that Jesus was not killed, but that rather, God raised His beloved prophet up to Him.


“(Mention) when God said, ‘O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify (i.e., free) you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you (in submission to God alone) superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ. And as for those who disbelieved, I will punish them with a severe punishment in this world and the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers.’ But as for those who believed and did righteous deeds, He will give them in full their rewards, and God does not like the wrongdoers.” (Quran 3:55-57)


The Quran also points out that Jesus was neither killed nor crucified. Speaking of the Children of Israel, God faults their accusations against Mary as well as their claim that they killed Jesus.


“And (We cursed them) for their disbelief and their saying against Mary a great slander. And (for) their saying, ‘Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of God.’ And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but (another) was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain. Rather, God raised him to Himself. And ever is God Exalted in Might and Wise.” (Quran 4:156-158)


The Quran confirms that Jesus was raised up by God, and the Prophet Muhammad, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, reassured us that Jesus will be sent down to earth once again before the Day of Judgment. In a saying of Prophet Muhammad, narrated by Abu Hurairah, the Prophet said:


“By the One in Whose hand is my self, definitely the son of Maryam will soon descend among you as a just judge, and he will break the cross, kill the pig, and abolish the jizyah (tribute), and wealth will be so abundant that no one will accept it, until a single prostration will be better than the world and everything in it.” (Saheeh Al-Bukhari)

 

[toty5]

1. Bible Says that God is not Man

The Bible says:


Numbers 23:19 “God is not a man…”


Hosea 11:9 “...For I am God, and not man...”


Jesus is called a man many times in the Bible:


John 8:40 “…a man who has told you the truth…”


Acts 2:22 “Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know.”


Acts 17:31 “He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed”


1. Tim. 2:5 “…the man Christ Jesus.”


God is not a man, but Jesus, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, was a man, therefore, Jesus was not God.


2. The Bible Says that God Is Not a Son of Man


Numbers 23:19 “God is not a man...nor a son of man…”


The Bible often calls Jesus “a son of man” or “the son of man.”


Matthew 12:40 “…so will the son of man be…”


Matthew 16:27 “For the son of man is going to come…”


Matthew 28 “…until they see the son of man coming in His kingdom.”


Mark 2:10 “But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority…”


John 5:27 “…because He is the son of man.”


In the Hebrew Scriptures, the “son of man” is also used many times speaking of people (Job 25:6; Psalm 80:17; 144:3; Ezekiel 2:1; 2:3; 2:6; 2:8; 3:1; 3:3; 3:4; 3:10; 3:17; 3:25).


Since God would not contradict Himself by first saying He is not the son of a man, then becoming a human being who was called “the son of man”, he would not have done so. Remember God is not the author of confusion. Also, human beings, including Jesus, are called “son of man” specifically to distinguish them from God, who is not a “son of man” according to the Bible.


3. The Bible Says that Jesus Denied He is God


Luke 18:19 Jesus spoke to a man who had called him “good,” asking him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.”


Matthew 19:17 And he said to him, “Why are you asking me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.”


Jesus did not teach people that he was God. If Jesus had been telling people that he was God, he would have complimented the man. Instead, Jesus rebuked him, denying he was good, that is, Jesus denied he was God.


4. The Bible Says that God is Greater than Jesus


John 14:28 “My Father is greater than I.”


John 10:29 “My father is greater than all.”


Jesus can not be God if God is greater than him. The Christian belief that the Father and son are equal is in direct contrast to the clear words from Jesus.


5. Jesus Never Instructed His Disciples to Worship Himself or the Holy Ghost, but God and God Only


Luke 11:2 “When you pray, say Our Father which art in heaven.”


John 16:23 “In that day, you shall ask me nothing. Whatsoever you ask of the Father in my name.”


John 4:23 “The hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him.”


If Jesus was God, he would have sought worship for himself. Since he didn’t, instead he sought worship for God in the heavens, therefore, he was not God.


6. The Bible Says that Jesus Recognized, Prayed, & Worshipped the Only True God


Jesus prayed to God with the words:


John 17:3 “…that they might know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.”


Jesus prayed to God all night:


Luke 6:12 “he continued all night in prayer to God.”


…because:


Matthew 20:28: Just as the son of man did not come to be served, but to serve.


How did Jesus pray to God?


Matthew 26:39 ‘…he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, ‘My Father…”


Even Paul said:


Hebrews 5:7 “During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.”


Who was Jesus praying to when he fell on his face with loud cries and petitions? Was it himself? Was Jesus crying in tears to himself pleading to be saved from death? No man, sane or insane, prays to himself! Surely the answer must be a resounding ‘No.’ Jesus was praying to “the only true God.” Jesus was the servant of the One Who sent him. Can there be a clearer proof that Jesus was not God?


The Quran confirms that Jesus called for the worship of the Only True God:


“Truly, God is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him (alone). This is the straight path.” (Quran 3:51

Sheikh Ahmed Deedat vs Sjoberg - Is Jesus God? [Debate]

 

[irosie91]

the only people who can interpret a scriptural writing are the people who PRODUCED IT. It is really idiotic for an "imam" to try to interpret either
the "old testament" or the "new testament"------especially one not knowing
the Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek of the times. Imams do a good job on the
Koran. I read pickthall long long ago------I did not conclude from that reading
that I KNEW islam any more than I knew Hinduism because of a reading in
English of The Bhagavad Gita. ----the people in the videos are silly. Islam for
non muslims consists of what muslims do and the DETAILS of the shariah law.
as INTERPRETED BY ISLAMIC SCHOLARS and also as experienced by
non muslims living under its depravity
living under that vile system

 

[RWNJ]

1. Bible Says that God is not Man

The Bible says:


Numbers 23:19 “God is not a man…”


Hosea 11:9 “...For I am God, and not man...”


Jesus is called a man many times in the Bible:


John 8:40 “…a man who has told you the truth…”


Acts 2:22 “Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know.”


Acts 17:31 “He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed”


1. Tim. 2:5 “…the man Christ Jesus.”


God is not a man, but Jesus, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, was a man, therefore, Jesus was not God.


2. The Bible Says that God Is Not a Son of Man


Numbers 23:19 “God is not a man...nor a son of man…”


The Bible often calls Jesus “a son of man” or “the son of man.”


Matthew 12:40 “…so will the son of man be…”


Matthew 16:27 “For the son of man is going to come…”


Matthew 28 “…until they see the son of man coming in His kingdom.”


Mark 2:10 “But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority…”


John 5:27 “…because He is the son of man.”


In the Hebrew Scriptures, the “son of man” is also used many times speaking of people (Job 25:6; Psalm 80:17; 144:3; Ezekiel 2:1; 2:3; 2:6; 2:8; 3:1; 3:3; 3:4; 3:10; 3:17; 3:25).


Since God would not contradict Himself by first saying He is not the son of a man, then becoming a human being who was called “the son of man”, he would not have done so. Remember God is not the author of confusion. Also, human beings, including Jesus, are called “son of man” specifically to distinguish them from God, who is not a “son of man” according to the Bible.


3. The Bible Says that Jesus Denied He is God


Luke 18:19 Jesus spoke to a man who had called him “good,” asking him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.”


Matthew 19:17 And he said to him, “Why are you asking me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.”


Jesus did not teach people that he was God. If Jesus had been telling people that he was God, he would have complimented the man. Instead, Jesus rebuked him, denying he was good, that is, Jesus denied he was God.


4. The Bible Says that God is Greater than Jesus


John 14:28 “My Father is greater than I.”


John 10:29 “My father is greater than all.”


Jesus can not be God if God is greater than him. The Christian belief that the Father and son are equal is in direct contrast to the clear words from Jesus.


5. Jesus Never Instructed His Disciples to Worship Himself or the Holy Ghost, but God and God Only


Luke 11:2 “When you pray, say Our Father which art in heaven.”


John 16:23 “In that day, you shall ask me nothing. Whatsoever you ask of the Father in my name.”


John 4:23 “The hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him.”


If Jesus was God, he would have sought worship for himself. Since he didn’t, instead he sought worship for God in the heavens, therefore, he was not God.


6. The Bible Says that Jesus Recognized, Prayed, & Worshipped the Only True God


Jesus prayed to God with the words:


John 17:3 “…that they might know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.”


Jesus prayed to God all night:


Luke 6:12 “he continued all night in prayer to God.”


…because:


Matthew 20:28: Just as the son of man did not come to be served, but to serve.


How did Jesus pray to God?


Matthew 26:39 ‘…he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, ‘My Father…”


Even Paul said:


Hebrews 5:7 “During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.”


Who was Jesus praying to when he fell on his face with loud cries and petitions? Was it himself? Was Jesus crying in tears to himself pleading to be saved from death? No man, sane or insane, prays to himself! Surely the answer must be a resounding ‘No.’ Jesus was praying to “the only true God.” Jesus was the servant of the One Who sent him. Can there be a clearer proof that Jesus was not God?


The Quran confirms that Jesus called for the worship of the Only True God:


“Truly, God is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him (alone). This is the straight path.” (Quran 3:51

Sheikh Ahmed Deedat vs Sjoberg - Is Jesus God? [Debate]

John 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Answer me this. How could a man have created everything? All things were created through Jesus.
This invalidates everything you posted. Jesus is God. The Alpha and Omega. The beginning and the end.

 

[irosie91]

1. Bible Says that God is not Man

The Bible says:


Numbers 23:19 “God is not a man…”


Hosea 11:9 “...For I am God, and not man...”


Jesus is called a man many times in the Bible:


John 8:40 “…a man who has told you the truth…”


Acts 2:22 “Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know.”


Acts 17:31 “He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed”


1. Tim. 2:5 “…the man Christ Jesus.”


God is not a man, but Jesus, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, was a man, therefore, Jesus was not God.


2. The Bible Says that God Is Not a Son of Man


Numbers 23:19 “God is not a man...nor a son of man…”


The Bible often calls Jesus “a son of man” or “the son of man.”


Matthew 12:40 “…so will the son of man be…”


Matthew 16:27 “For the son of man is going to come…”


Matthew 28 “…until they see the son of man coming in His kingdom.”


Mark 2:10 “But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority…”


John 5:27 “…because He is the son of man.”


In the Hebrew Scriptures, the “son of man” is also used many times speaking of people (Job 25:6; Psalm 80:17; 144:3; Ezekiel 2:1; 2:3; 2:6; 2:8; 3:1; 3:3; 3:4; 3:10; 3:17; 3:25).


Since God would not contradict Himself by first saying He is not the son of a man, then becoming a human being who was called “the son of man”, he would not have done so. Remember God is not the author of confusion. Also, human beings, including Jesus, are called “son of man” specifically to distinguish them from God, who is not a “son of man” according to the Bible.


3. The Bible Says that Jesus Denied He is God


Luke 18:19 Jesus spoke to a man who had called him “good,” asking him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.”


Matthew 19:17 And he said to him, “Why are you asking me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.”


Jesus did not teach people that he was God. If Jesus had been telling people that he was God, he would have complimented the man. Instead, Jesus rebuked him, denying he was good, that is, Jesus denied he was God.


4. The Bible Says that God is Greater than Jesus


John 14:28 “My Father is greater than I.”


John 10:29 “My father is greater than all.”


Jesus can not be God if God is greater than him. The Christian belief that the Father and son are equal is in direct contrast to the clear words from Jesus.


5. Jesus Never Instructed His Disciples to Worship Himself or the Holy Ghost, but God and God Only


Luke 11:2 “When you pray, say Our Father which art in heaven.”


John 16:23 “In that day, you shall ask me nothing. Whatsoever you ask of the Father in my name.”


John 4:23 “The hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him.”


If Jesus was God, he would have sought worship for himself. Since he didn’t, instead he sought worship for God in the heavens, therefore, he was not God.


6. The Bible Says that Jesus Recognized, Prayed, & Worshipped the Only True God


Jesus prayed to God with the words:


John 17:3 “…that they might know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.”


Jesus prayed to God all night:


Luke 6:12 “he continued all night in prayer to God.”


…because:


Matthew 20:28: Just as the son of man did not come to be served, but to serve.


How did Jesus pray to God?


Matthew 26:39 ‘…he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, ‘My Father…”


Even Paul said:


Hebrews 5:7 “During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.”


Who was Jesus praying to when he fell on his face with loud cries and petitions? Was it himself? Was Jesus crying in tears to himself pleading to be saved from death? No man, sane or insane, prays to himself! Surely the answer must be a resounding ‘No.’ Jesus was praying to “the only true God.” Jesus was the servant of the One Who sent him. Can there be a clearer proof that Jesus was not God?


The Quran confirms that Jesus called for the worship of the Only True God:


“Truly, God is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him (alone). This is the straight path.” (Quran 3:51

Sheikh Ahmed Deedat vs Sjoberg - Is Jesus God? [Debate]

John 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Answer me this. How could a man have created everything? All things were created through Jesus.
This invalidates everything you posted. Jesus is God. The Alpha and Omega. The beginning and the end.

I will help you understand DA TRUTH RWNJ ----in my
youth I worked (and sorta socialized) with lots of muslims---
got invited to mosques and read the Koran. HERE IS THE
answer------the bible----New testament in this case---that you
quote is a PILE OF LIES----written by perverse Christians who are the ENEMEEEEEES OF ISLAAAAAAM. The entire
reason that the New Testament (and the 'old') has been
corrupted and altered has been MALICE TOWARD ISLAM.
see? now you know.