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    This clown is all over the internet peddling this crap. My advice would be to not feed the trolls.
     
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    that was entertaining jibberish.
     
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    17. Islam permit polygamy
    Polygamy is a form of marriage wherein a person has more than one spouse. Polygamy can be of two types. The first type is called polygyny, where a man marries more than one woman, and the other is polyandry, where a woman marries more than one man. In Islam, a limited form of polygyny is permitted, whereas polyandry is completely prohibited.


    In contrast to Islam, one will not find a limit for the number of wives in the Jewish Talmud or the Christian Bible. According to these scriptures, there is no limit to how many women a man may marry. Therefore, polygyny is not something exclusive to Islam but was practiced by early Christians and Jews as well. According to the Talmud, Abraham had three wives, while King Solomon had hundreds of wives. The practice of polygyny continued in Judaism until Rabbi Gershom ben Yehudah (955-1030 CE) issued an edict against it.


    The Jewish Sephardic communities continued the practice until as late as 1950, when an Act of the Chief Rabbinate of Israel extended the ban on marrying more than one wife, thus prohibiting the practice for all Jews. In the early teachings of Christianity, men were permitted to take as many wives as they wished, since the Bible placed no limit on the number of wives a man could marry. It was only in recent centuries that the Church limited the number of wives to one.
    At a time when men were permitted an unlimited number of wives, Islam limited the number to a maximum of four. Before the Quran was revealed, there was no upper limit for polygyny and many men had scores of wives. It gives a man permission to marry two, three or four women, on the condition that he deals with all of them equitably, benevolently and justly, as indicated by Allah's statement “Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one” (Quran 4:3)


    It is not incumbent upon Muslims to practice polygyny. In Islam, taking an additional wife is neither encouraged nor prohibited. Furthermore, a Muslim who has two, three or four wives may not be a better Muslim as compared to a Muslim who has only one wife.
    John Esposito, a professor of religion and international affairs and Islamic studies at Georgetown University, writes: "Although it is found in many religious and cultural traditions, polygamy is most often identified with Islam in the minds of Westerners. In fact, the Quran and Islamic Law sought to control and regulate the number of spouses rather than give free license." He continues: "The Quran allows a man to marry up to four wives, provided he can support and treat them all equally. Muslims regard this Quranic command as strengthening the status of women and the family, for it sought to ensure the welfare of single women and widows in a society whose male population was diminished by warfare, and to curb unrestricted polygamy." (John Esposito, Islam: The Straight Path)
    There are certain circumstances which warrant the taking of another wife. For example, if there is a surplus of unmarried women in society, especially during times of war when widows are in need of shelter and care. Infant mortality rates among males are higher when compared to that of females. During wars, there are usually more men killed than women. Statistically, more men die due to accidents and diseases than women. The average life span of females is also generally longer than that of males. As a result at any given time in practically any given place, there is a shortage of men in comparison to women. Therefore, even if every single man got married to one woman, there would be millions of women who would still not be able to find a husband.



    In Western society, it is not uncommon for a man to have girlfriends, or if he is married, to have extramarital affairs. Seldom is this practice scorned, despite the harms that stem from it. At the same time, polygyny is banned in western society although it produces none of these adverse effects; rather it preserves the honor and chastity of women. Within a second, third or fourth marriage the woman is a wife, not a mistress; she has a husband who is obligated by Islamic law to provide for her and her children, not a “boyfriend” who may one day cast her aside or deny knowing her if she becomes pregnant.

    There is no doubt that a second wife who is lawfully married and treated with honor is better off than a mistress without any legal rights or social respect. Islam strictly prohibits and penalizes prostitution, fornication, and adultery and permits polygyny under strict conditions.







     
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    for the record----islam allows muslim men an unlimited number of sex slaves----either bought or captured of simply confiscated from non muslims under the vile and disgusting perversity of the "DHIMMI ORPHAN LAW". My own mother-in-law was RESCUED from that particular filth------not 1400 years ago------but in the late 1930s. It wasn't easy----The "law" has never been repudiated by"koranic scholars" and accounts for the enslavement of thousands of girls in Nigeria,
    Iraq -----and-----wherever there are non muslims liable to that stink. Prostitution ---is, in fact, rampant in Islamic societies. Women who wander are executed. Sheeesh, Toty----try to be
    honest
     
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    Someone told me



    A question for you (sorry if I have asked before & forgotten your reply):


    Some Islamophobes on this forum (and elsewhere) say Islam is suppressive towards women. Yet, it has been conclusively proven that 70% of all new converts to Islam both in the USA and in Europe are women. This would be indicative that it is not suppressive but highly solicitous of women.

    What do you say to those critics who insist that Islam suppresses women in light of that fact?


    If I read you correctly, you are saying that Islam provides spiritual comforts and dimensions that other religions/teachings do not. That it is more than religious teaching but includes lifestyle alteration and attitudes which is what appeals to women.



     
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    18. A man is permitted to have more than one wife, then why can’t a woman have more than one husband?
    Islam teaches that Allah has created men and women as equals, but not as identical beings. They are different, physically, biologically and physiologically and each have different capabilities. Their roles and responsibilities are therefore different but they complement one another.

    Some may object to a man having the right to more than one wife by insisting that, in fairness, women should also be able to practice polyandry. However, the following few points could be part of the reason behind its prohibition by God:
    a) One of the benefits of polygyny is that it solves the problem of women outnumbering men.

    b) In general, men are polygamous by nature while women are not.
    c) Islam assigns great importance to the recognition of parents, both the mother and father. When a man has more than one wife, the parents of children born in such marriages can easily be identified. But in the case of a woman marrying more than one husband, only the mother of children born within the marriage would be known without resorting to laboratory tests. Psychologists tell us that children who do not know their parents, the father in particular, undergo severe mental disturbances and trauma, and often have unhappy childhoods.

    Ahmed Deedat Answer - Why do you claim Islam to be the true religion?

    Dr.Zakir Naik- Russian girl strong argument ends up in accepting Islam.


    Dr Zakir Naik Urdu Speech And Challenging Question Answers 16 April 2017

     
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    for those who do not know----"dawah" means, for all intents and purposes, PROSELYTIZING. In Islamic law and custom, muslims are encouraged to proselytize amongst non muslims---
    so much so that a SAUDI provides the funds for each and everyone of you to have a FREE COPY of the Koran----I have
    three----in different versions, Picthal, Ali Yusuf----and some guy named DAWOOD (that's Arabic version of david).
    Proselytizing muslims OUT of islam is a capital crime in the filth of shariah law. The impact of that "LAW" is so impressive that people born in shariah shit holes-----WOULD NEVER CONSIDER giving a bible to a muslim------such an action "back home" could result in a pogrom that would knock out the WHOLE NON-MUSLIM VILLAGE. I hide my copies from hubby---he was rescued in infancy from the shariah shit hole in which he was born-----A BON FIDE DHIMMI----under the pact of omar at his birth. I have no doubt that he would toss them into the garbage. Bibles are confiscated in Saudi Arabia-----even from guest workers if they happen to have more than ONE------more than one indicates "INTENT".
    A young army girl complained to me that her mother's easter cards were SHREDDED in the Saudi Post office----when she
    was stationed in that miserable hole. I consider the DAWA thing-----as practiced by muslims in the USA to be----VULGAR in lite of the experiences of non muslims in muslim countries
     
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    my dear brother
    - Islam is a religion of the utmost ease and compassion
    Do not do more of your energy
    In anything

    The original
    Holy Qur'an and the Hadith
    See inside them well
    Your life will completely upright
    Honesty - maintaining secretariats - high morals - help others - away from adultery - murder - drinking alcohol - gambling - treason - honoring one's parents - kinship - the right of the neighbor - and so on .....
    This is Islam

    Muslim life always
    Tied about the Qur'an Quran and Hadith
    This constitution for life

    Separation between religion and life, something is wrong
    This is already happening in other religions

    So
    Society is going in the way of deviation
    Adultery - murder - robbery - drinking alcohol - international attacks - family disintegration ......

    In your point of view

    Why is this happening?

    This is the result away from the teachings of God and the prophets and messengers

    Narrated 'Ubada Ibn-As−Samit: who took part in the battle of Badr and was a Naqib (a person heading a group of six persons), on the night of Al−`Aqaba pledge: Allah's Apostle said while a group of his companions were around him, " Swear allegiance to me for: 1- Not to join anything in worship along with Allah. 2- Not to steal. 3- Not to commit illegal sexual intercourse. 4- Not to kill your children. 5- Not to accuse an innocent person (to spread such an accusation among people). 6- Not to be disobedient (when ordered) to do good deed ." The Prophet added: " Whoever among you fulfills his pledge will be rewarded by Allah. And whoever indulges in any one of them (except the ascription of partners to Allah) and gets the punishment in this world, that punishment will be an expiation for that sin. And if one indulges in any of them, and Allah conceals his sin, it is up to Him to forgive or punish him (in the Hereafter) ." 'Ubada bin As−Samit added: "So we swore allegiance for these." (points to Allah's Apostle

    Sahih al-Bukhary, The Book of Faith, Hadith Number:18, Narrated by: Obada Ibnus-Samit


    so


    Islam came with mercy for all creation through the beauty of the islamic legislation which establishes justice, fairness and advocate, the grounds for security and stability in communities. Allah The Most High says in the Holy Quran :


    " But seek, through that which Allah has given you, the home of the Hereafter; and [yet], do not forget your share of the world. And do good as Allah has done good to you. And desire not corruption in the land, Allah does not like corrupters." [Al-Qasas: 77].


    In this Ayah Allah The Most High, orders His slaves to seek the blessing given from Allah, but do not forget their share of the world, and His also orders to good deed, but forbids to corrupt or do destruction, because it can cause instability in life.


    In another Ayah Allah The Most High, says :


    " Indeed, Allah orders justice and good conduct and giving to relatives and forbids immorality and bad conduct and oppression. He admonishes you that perhaps you will be reminded." [An-Nahl: 90].


    Immorality includes; every greater sin likes shirk, killing another illegally, sexual act without married, looting, arrogant, humiliate to the others. Bad conduct includes every sin and wickedness related to the rights of Allah. Oppression includes every act oppresses to the life being, to the soul, to the property and their honors.


    Those Ayahs tell us that Islam is full of Mercy and far from oppression. Let us take a look on sunnah as a second basic rule after Quran. From Abu Hurairah May Allah pleased him, The Prophet May Peace be upon him said :


    "Whomsoever not to love another, thus will not be loved".[reported by Bukhari].
    allah guided you




     
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