The entire coal industry employs fewer people than Arby’s

[anotherlife]

If that is their salary, the coal miners are way over paid.

Today's miners aren't the same as we seen in movies about the '30s. The entry-level jobs in mining are semi-skilled a two-year apprenticeships . Mine engineers are all degree holders.

Compare that to the skill level and education of an entry-level fast food worker.

They make more than teachers, who hold very skilled positions and who all have 4 year and 6 year degrees. It's absurd.

They make more than police officers ($61,000) and fireman ($47,000). Really absurd that coal miners would make more.

. Do you want everyone making the same pay like a true socialist/communist does ??

That's not the point. Are you really that dense? It's the value of the job. Teachers, policeman and fireman do far more for us than coal miners. The value of a coal miner's job is much less than that of others who are making less; as well, teachers are highly educated and police and fireman are highly skilled and risk their lives. They should all make more, not the same, as coal miners.

. You are still talking socialism, as you would like to determine the outcomes of incomes for private companies, and this is being based simply upon your views on life, and not upon what these individual industries can and do offer their employees. We have choices in life to go into any industry or job we want, but we don't get to dictate (after getting into these industries or jobs) their pay grade programs.. Only unless they are not being representative of at least a standard in which we as a government and a nation see as fit to require in that they uphold a decency standard line that shows they aren't engaging in exploitation of their employees, the abuse of their employees, the detriment of their employees, and so forth and so on.

Most employers pay as per tax brackets. So it is the government itself that limits and determine the statistics of pay grades in any industry.n

 

[deanrd]

The entire coal industry employs fewer people than Arby’s

“Like promoting tobacco at a cancer summit.”

If anything the numbers above over-estimate the jobs impact of coal relative to other industries. Since 2014 the coal industry has shrunk further according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, to 50,300 employees as of February 2017.

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Protesters sing disdain for US climate policy at UN climate talks
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What made me look this up was a discussion where they said when the US/Trump coal contingent got up to speak about the benefits of 18th century coal technology, the entire room of hundreds walked out.

I remember when the US used to be the world leader in so many areas. I would like say it was years ago, but it was only last year. The right wing says "good", but the rest of the US feels it's tragic.

The Hussein did his job well, shutting down 400 coal mines and 83,000 coal jobs lost.

Obama Kept His Promise, 83,000 Coal Jobs Lost And 400 Mines Shuttered

And yet, energy is so cheap.

The Cheap Energy Revolution Is Here, and Coal Won’t Cut It

Too late for the GOP to stop it now. We simply won't go back to the 18th century.

 

[beagle9]

The entire coal industry employs fewer people than Arby’s

“Like promoting tobacco at a cancer summit.”

If anything the numbers above over-estimate the jobs impact of coal relative to other industries. Since 2014 the coal industry has shrunk further according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, to 50,300 employees as of February 2017.

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Protesters sing disdain for US climate policy at UN climate talks
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What made me look this up was a discussion where they said when the US/Trump coal contingent got up to speak about the benefits of 18th century coal technology, the entire room of hundreds walked out.

I remember when the US used to be the world leader in so many areas. I would like say it was years ago, but it was only last year. The right wing says "good", but the rest of the US feels it's tragic.

The Hussein did his job well, shutting down 400 coal mines and 83,000 coal jobs lost.

Obama Kept His Promise, 83,000 Coal Jobs Lost And 400 Mines Shuttered

And yet, energy is so cheap.

The Cheap Energy Revolution Is Here, and Coal Won’t Cut It

Too late for the GOP to stop it now. We simply won't go back to the 18th century.

. We need all technologies available until a complete transition can be achieved, and at the minimum we should keep (what say maybe at the least 3) valid forms of primary and back up resources always available in order to insulate us from failure upon the grid. So far we've been playing around with alternatives, but it's not to the point where the nation can give up on viable proven energy resources that took decades to perfect.

 

[beagle9]

We have (what) 6 viable resources for the grid now ? 1. Hydro-electric 2.coal 3. nuclear 4. natural gas 5. solar, and 6. wind. I'm not sure why we aren't delving into more private ways for individual Americans to sustain themselves with their own resources invented, and then used. If I had alot of land like a farm or ranch, I would have a set up that would be a sustainable energy resource born upon the land, and not be subjected to resources that could control the outcomes of my production or my destiny. Why is it that ranchers and farmers aren't using their available resources as their primary source of energy, and using the grid as their back up ??? That just baffles the mind. Is it that the government doesn't allow it, and if it doesn't then why is that the case ?? Control maybe ? Is it that we have a government hell bent on controlling we the people's destinies in so it can drive us like cattle to a slaughter house when that call is made ?? Think about it people.

 

[Correll]

To be fair, more people deal with Arby's on a retail basis than coal companies.

The average salary of a coal worker is $75,000 per annum

The average salary of a fast food worker is $16,500 per annum.

So....

If that is their salary, the coal miners are way over paid.

It's is a dangerous, hard job that provides vast benefit to society.


How are they overpaid?

 

[anotherlife]

To be fair, more people deal with Arby's on a retail basis than coal companies.

The average salary of a coal worker is $75,000 per annum

The average salary of a fast food worker is $16,500 per annum.

So....

If that is their salary, the coal miners are way over paid.

Overpaid? There are more commodity traders that trade coal than miners who mine it. And those traders earn 10 times as much each than that miner salary.

 

[Esmeralda]

To be fair, more people deal with Arby's on a retail basis than coal companies.

The average salary of a coal worker is $75,000 per annum

The average salary of a fast food worker is $16,500 per annum.

So....

If that is their salary, the coal miners are way over paid.

It's is a dangerous, hard job that provides vast benefit to society.


How are they overpaid?

Being a policeman or fireman are also very dangerous occupations, and they provide far, far more benefit to society than coal miners. In fact, just what benefit to society do you imagine coal miners provide? We don't even need coal anymore.

 

[Correll]

To be fair, more people deal with Arby's on a retail basis than coal companies.

The average salary of a coal worker is $75,000 per annum

The average salary of a fast food worker is $16,500 per annum.

So....

If that is their salary, the coal miners are way over paid.

It's is a dangerous, hard job that provides vast benefit to society.


How are they overpaid?

Being a policeman or fireman are also very dangerous occupations, and they provide far, far more benefit to society than coal miners. In fact, just what benefit to society do you imagine coal miners provide? We don't even need coal anymore.

THe police I know are pretty well paid, and deservingly so. imo, firefighters should be paid more.


Coal currently produces 40% of the world's electricity and we need that.


As you read this on your computer built with and operated with electricity.

 

[Esmeralda]

To be fair, more people deal with Arby's on a retail basis than coal companies.

The average salary of a coal worker is $75,000 per annum

The average salary of a fast food worker is $16,500 per annum.

So....

If that is their salary, the coal miners are way over paid.

It's is a dangerous, hard job that provides vast benefit to society.


How are they overpaid?

Being a policeman or fireman are also very dangerous occupations, and they provide far, far more benefit to society than coal miners. In fact, just what benefit to society do you imagine coal miners provide? We don't even need coal anymore.

THe police I know are pretty well paid, and deservingly so. imo, firefighters should be paid more.


Coal currently produces 40% of the world's electricity and we need that.


As you read this on your computer built with and operated with electricity.

We have other better sources for producing electricity, ones that don't pollute the environment, and we should be developing those. You RWrs go on and on about Rhinos, well only a Rhino would hold on to outdated ideas such as coal.

Where I live now, Spain, 47 percent of electricity comes solely from renewable sources, as opposed to 15% in the US. Most of the renewable electricity being generated in Spain comes from wind. Between solar and wind, the world doesn't need to use coal at all. Only Rhinos cling to the old, damaging ways of doing things.

And don't give me the typical RW crap about not living in the US: about 9 million US citizens live outside the US, and we have as much right to care about and be involved in US issues as any other US citizen. I lived in the US for 51 years, btw, probably longer than you have.

 

[Correll]

To be fair, more people deal with Arby's on a retail basis than coal companies.

The average salary of a coal worker is $75,000 per annum

The average salary of a fast food worker is $16,500 per annum.

So....

If that is their salary, the coal miners are way over paid.

It's is a dangerous, hard job that provides vast benefit to society.


How are they overpaid?

Being a policeman or fireman are also very dangerous occupations, and they provide far, far more benefit to society than coal miners. In fact, just what benefit to society do you imagine coal miners provide? We don't even need coal anymore.

THe police I know are pretty well paid, and deservingly so. imo, firefighters should be paid more.


Coal currently produces 40% of the world's electricity and we need that.


As you read this on your computer built with and operated with electricity.

We have other better sources for producing electricity, ones that don't pollute the environment, and we should be developing those. You RWrs go on and on about Rinos, well only a Rino would hold on to outdated ideas such as coal.

Sure we do, but you lefties shit on nuclear too, so, coal it is.


Solar isn't there yet, neither is wind.

 

[Esmeralda]

If that is their salary, the coal miners are way over paid.

It's is a dangerous, hard job that provides vast benefit to society.


How are they overpaid?

Being a policeman or fireman are also very dangerous occupations, and they provide far, far more benefit to society than coal miners. In fact, just what benefit to society do you imagine coal miners provide? We don't even need coal anymore.

THe police I know are pretty well paid, and deservingly so. imo, firefighters should be paid more.


Coal currently produces 40% of the world's electricity and we need that.


As you read this on your computer built with and operated with electricity.

We have other better sources for producing electricity, ones that don't pollute the environment, and we should be developing those. You RWrs go on and on about Rinos, well only a Rino would hold on to outdated ideas such as coal.

Sure we do, but you lefties shit on nuclear too, so, coal it is.


Solar isn't there yet, neither is wind.

Spain is using solar and wind now. Why is the US so far behind? Instead of over paying coal miners, we should be putting our money into developing clean energy. Are you aware of the horrific problem with air pollution in India now? That's a result of coal. Yep, people are dying from the air pollution because of coal.

 

[beagle9]

To be fair, more people deal with Arby's on a retail basis than coal companies.

The average salary of a coal worker is $75,000 per annum

The average salary of a fast food worker is $16,500 per annum.

So....

If that is their salary, the coal miners are way over paid.

It's is a dangerous, hard job that provides vast benefit to society.


How are they overpaid?

Being a policeman or fireman are also very dangerous occupations, and they provide far, far more benefit to society than coal miners. In fact, just what benefit to society do you imagine coal miners provide? We don't even need coal anymore.

. Two different things altogether, because private industry sets the wage rates of coal miners not government. Government state and local sets the wage rates for government employees, and taxpayers are on the hook for it. So if want to change some things, then show up at council meetings etc. Vote in those who will have those people's back. Trying to bring down private industry by way of using government wage standards is ridiculous.

 

[Esmeralda]

To be fair, more people deal with Arby's on a retail basis than coal companies.

The average salary of a coal worker is $75,000 per annum

The average salary of a fast food worker is $16,500 per annum.

So....

If that is their salary, the coal miners are way over paid.

It's is a dangerous, hard job that provides vast benefit to society.


How are they overpaid?

Being a policeman or fireman are also very dangerous occupations, and they provide far, far more benefit to society than coal miners. In fact, just what benefit to society do you imagine coal miners provide? We don't even need coal anymore.

. Two different things altogether, because private industry sets the wage rates of coal miners not government. Government state and local sets the wage rates for government employees, and taxpayers are on the hook for it. So if want to change some things, then show up at council meetings etc. Vote in those who will have those people's back. Trying to bring down private industry by way of using government wage standards is ridiculous.

 

[Correll]

It's is a dangerous, hard job that provides vast benefit to society.


How are they overpaid?

Being a policeman or fireman are also very dangerous occupations, and they provide far, far more benefit to society than coal miners. In fact, just what benefit to society do you imagine coal miners provide? We don't even need coal anymore.

THe police I know are pretty well paid, and deservingly so. imo, firefighters should be paid more.


Coal currently produces 40% of the world's electricity and we need that.


As you read this on your computer built with and operated with electricity.

We have other better sources for producing electricity, ones that don't pollute the environment, and we should be developing those. You RWrs go on and on about Rinos, well only a Rino would hold on to outdated ideas such as coal.

Sure we do, but you lefties shit on nuclear too, so, coal it is.


Solar isn't there yet, neither is wind.

Spain is using solar and wind now. Why is the US so far behind? Instead of over paying coal miners, we should be putting our money into developing clean energy. Are you aware of the horrific problem with air pollution in India now? That's a result of coal. Yep, people are dying from the air pollution because of coal.

Renewable energy in Spain - Wikipedia




Sounds like a train wreck, not a model to follow.


Sure, in the shitty Third World. NOt our fault, and nothing to do with US.

 

[beagle9]

It's is a dangerous, hard job that provides vast benefit to society.


How are they overpaid?

Being a policeman or fireman are also very dangerous occupations, and they provide far, far more benefit to society than coal miners. In fact, just what benefit to society do you imagine coal miners provide? We don't even need coal anymore.

THe police I know are pretty well paid, and deservingly so. imo, firefighters should be paid more.


Coal currently produces 40% of the world's electricity and we need that.


As you read this on your computer built with and operated with electricity.

We have other better sources for producing electricity, ones that don't pollute the environment, and we should be developing those. You RWrs go on and on about Rinos, well only a Rino would hold on to outdated ideas such as coal.

Sure we do, but you lefties shit on nuclear too, so, coal it is.


Solar isn't there yet, neither is wind.

Spain is using solar and wind now. Why is the US so far behind? Instead of over paying coal miners, we should be putting our money into developing clean energy. Are you aware of the horrific problem with air pollution in India now? That's a result of coal. Yep, people are dying from the air pollution because of coal.

. You're comparing us with countries who don't have the same standards as we do, nor do they practice the same standards in pollution control or population control.. It is just highly unfair to judge us here in these ways, but it's what you on the left do.

 

[Esmeralda]

Being a policeman or fireman are also very dangerous occupations, and they provide far, far more benefit to society than coal miners. In fact, just what benefit to society do you imagine coal miners provide? We don't even need coal anymore.

THe police I know are pretty well paid, and deservingly so. imo, firefighters should be paid more.


Coal currently produces 40% of the world's electricity and we need that.


As you read this on your computer built with and operated with electricity.

We have other better sources for producing electricity, ones that don't pollute the environment, and we should be developing those. You RWrs go on and on about Rinos, well only a Rino would hold on to outdated ideas such as coal.

Sure we do, but you lefties shit on nuclear too, so, coal it is.


Solar isn't there yet, neither is wind.

Spain is using solar and wind now. Why is the US so far behind? Instead of over paying coal miners, we should be putting our money into developing clean energy. Are you aware of the horrific problem with air pollution in India now? That's a result of coal. Yep, people are dying from the air pollution because of coal.

Renewable energy in Spain - Wikipedia




Sounds like a train wreck, not a model to follow.


Sure, in the shitty Third World. NOt our fault, and nothing to do with US.

If you think Spain is the 3rd world, you are really ignorant: truly, deeply, very very deeply ignorant.

 

[Meathead]

The entire coal industry employs fewer people than Arby’s

“Like promoting tobacco at a cancer summit.”

If anything the numbers above over-estimate the jobs impact of coal relative to other industries. Since 2014 the coal industry has shrunk further according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, to 50,300 employees as of February 2017.

--------------------
Protesters sing disdain for US climate policy at UN climate talks
----------------------

What made me look this up was a discussion where they said when the US/Trump coal contingent got up to speak about the benefits of 18th century coal technology, the entire room of hundreds walked out.

I remember when the US used to be the world leader in so many areas. I would like say it was years ago, but it was only last year. The right wing says "good", but the rest of the US feels it's tragic.

Arby's didn't have the Clintons trying to put it out of work for the last 30 years.

 

[beagle9]

THe police I know are pretty well paid, and deservingly so. imo, firefighters should be paid more.


Coal currently produces 40% of the world's electricity and we need that.


As you read this on your computer built with and operated with electricity.

We have other better sources for producing electricity, ones that don't pollute the environment, and we should be developing those. You RWrs go on and on about Rinos, well only a Rino would hold on to outdated ideas such as coal.

Sure we do, but you lefties shit on nuclear too, so, coal it is.


Solar isn't there yet, neither is wind.

Spain is using solar and wind now. Why is the US so far behind? Instead of over paying coal miners, we should be putting our money into developing clean energy. Are you aware of the horrific problem with air pollution in India now? That's a result of coal. Yep, people are dying from the air pollution because of coal.

Renewable energy in Spain - Wikipedia




Sounds like a train wreck, not a model to follow.


Sure, in the shitty Third World. NOt our fault, and nothing to do with US.

If you think Spain is the 3rd world, you are really ignorant: truly, deeply, very very deeply ignorant.

. You used India, and that was highly ignorant.

 

[Esmeralda]

We have other better sources for producing electricity, ones that don't pollute the environment, and we should be developing those. You RWrs go on and on about Rinos, well only a Rino would hold on to outdated ideas such as coal.

Sure we do, but you lefties shit on nuclear too, so, coal it is.


Solar isn't there yet, neither is wind.

Spain is using solar and wind now. Why is the US so far behind? Instead of over paying coal miners, we should be putting our money into developing clean energy. Are you aware of the horrific problem with air pollution in India now? That's a result of coal. Yep, people are dying from the air pollution because of coal.

Renewable energy in Spain - Wikipedia




Sounds like a train wreck, not a model to follow.


Sure, in the shitty Third World. NOt our fault, and nothing to do with US.

If you think Spain is the 3rd world, you are really ignorant: truly, deeply, very very deeply ignorant.

. You used India, and that was highly ignorant.

Using coal is ignorant. Clinging to Rhino ideas about power sources is ignorant.

 

[Correll]

THe police I know are pretty well paid, and deservingly so. imo, firefighters should be paid more.


Coal currently produces 40% of the world's electricity and we need that.


As you read this on your computer built with and operated with electricity.

We have other better sources for producing electricity, ones that don't pollute the environment, and we should be developing those. You RWrs go on and on about Rinos, well only a Rino would hold on to outdated ideas such as coal.

Sure we do, but you lefties shit on nuclear too, so, coal it is.


Solar isn't there yet, neither is wind.

Spain is using solar and wind now. Why is the US so far behind? Instead of over paying coal miners, we should be putting our money into developing clean energy. Are you aware of the horrific problem with air pollution in India now? That's a result of coal. Yep, people are dying from the air pollution because of coal.

Renewable energy in Spain - Wikipedia




Sounds like a train wreck, not a model to follow.


Sure, in the shitty Third World. NOt our fault, and nothing to do with US.

If you think Spain is the 3rd world, you are really ignorant: truly, deeply, very very deeply ignorant.

Sorry, I meant to specify that the final statement was directed at your concerns about India.


I'm surprised that that was not obvious to you, in the context of your post.


Anyway, my points about both, stand.





Renewable energy in Spain - Wikipedia




Sounds like a train wreck, not a model to follow.


Sure, in India, ie the shitty Third World. NOt our fault, and nothing to do with US.[