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Israel was declared a state and the next day the Arabs attacked. You wanted a map of where the Arabs attacked from, as if to imply they didn't. And here is a map of the borders agreed and passed by the UN, which is less than what the Jews had actually agreed to. Jordan is Palestine.Tin-man your not helping yourself here....this is a debate you will not win
What is there to debate? Israel has no borders on that map.
The second contest began with the invasion of Palestine by the regular Arab armies on 15 May 1948.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:1948_Arab–Israeli_War
Over the next few days, Arab contingents from Egypt, Jordan, Irak and Syria intervened in Palestine and fought the Israelis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestine_War
The second contest began with the invasion of Palestine by the regular Arab armies on 15 May 1948.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:1948_Arab–Israeli_War
Over the next few days, Arab contingents from Egypt, Jordan, Irak and Syria intervened in Palestine and fought the Israelis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestine_War
The attacking Arab armies suffered a humiliating defeat. The victor established the boundaries.
What's the issue?
In the introduction to the cablegram[37] from the Secretary-General of the League of Arab States to the UN Secretary-General on 15 May 1948, the Arab League gave reaons for its intervention, On the occasion of the intervention of Arab States in Palestine to restore law and order and to prevent disturbances prevailing in Palestine from spreading into their territories and to check further bloodshed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab–Israeli_War
If an invading army is repelled by a defender with no strategic gains by the aggressor, the aggressor would be considered to have lost. That seem to be a fairly simple concept.The second contest began with the invasion of Palestine by the regular Arab armies on 15 May 1948.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:1948_Arab–Israeli_War
Over the next few days, Arab contingents from Egypt, Jordan, Irak and Syria intervened in Palestine and fought the Israelis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestine_War
The attacking Arab armies suffered a humiliating defeat. The victor established the boundaries.
What's the issue?
It was said that the Arab countries attacked Israel.
In the introduction to the cablegram[37] from the Secretary-General of the League of Arab States to the UN Secretary-General on 15 May 1948, the Arab League gave reaons for its intervention, On the occasion of the intervention of Arab States in Palestine to restore law and order and to prevent disturbances prevailing in Palestine from spreading into their territories and to check further bloodshed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab–Israeli_War
I can't find where there was any fighting inside Israel.
An armistice was called by UN Security Council resolution. Nobody lost that war. The borders for Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and Palestine were the same as they were in 1922.
If an invading army is repelled by a defender with no strategic gains by the aggressor, the aggressor would be considered to have lost. That seem to be a fairly simple concept.The attacking Arab armies suffered a humiliating defeat. The victor established the boundaries.
What's the issue?
It was said that the Arab countries attacked Israel.
In the introduction to the cablegram[37] from the Secretary-General of the League of Arab States to the UN Secretary-General on 15 May 1948, the Arab League gave reaons for its intervention, On the occasion of the intervention of Arab States in Palestine to restore law and order and to prevent disturbances prevailing in Palestine from spreading into their territories and to check further bloodshed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab–Israeli_War
I can't find where there was any fighting inside Israel.
An armistice was called by UN Security Council resolution. Nobody lost that war. The borders for Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and Palestine were the same as they were in 1922.
The borders defining the state of Israel have changed subject to the wars of aggression waged by Arab armies.
What's the issue?
they lost a war of aggression.If an invading army is repelled by a defender with no strategic gains by the aggressor, the aggressor would be considered to have lost. That seem to be a fairly simple concept.It was said that the Arab countries attacked Israel.
I can't find where there was any fighting inside Israel.
An armistice was called by UN Security Council resolution. Nobody lost that war. The borders for Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and Palestine were the same as they were in 1922.
The borders defining the state of Israel have changed subject to the wars of aggression waged by Arab armies.
What's the issue?
None of them lost any land. No borders were changed.
What did they lose?
they lost a war of aggression.If an invading army is repelled by a defender with no strategic gains by the aggressor, the aggressor would be considered to have lost. That seem to be a fairly simple concept.
The borders defining the state of Israel have changed subject to the wars of aggression waged by Arab armies.
What's the issue?
None of them lost any land. No borders were changed.
What did they lose?
I didn't happen to see any location of, or borders of Palestine on the map showing the points of attack for Arab armies.
Are you sure there was ever such a thing as "Palestine" as Arabs would have you believe?
UN documents also showed why the arabs attacked. They were coming to the aid of Palestinian's indigenous to that area who were being expelled and driven from their homes due to a zionist policy of "ethnic cleansing".Arab animals attacking the Jewish areas in the blue. Are you fucking blind? Arabs lost their quest to destroy the newly formed Jewish state. UN documents also confirm this aggression by the Arab savages. There was no such thing as a "Palestinian people". UN and historical documents confirm that as well.
So zionists came into that area with every intention of driving out the people who were already living there. Because of zionist policies, violence was inevitable. They drove out 750,000 Palestinian's from an area they've been living for generations and you've got to be brain damaged if you don't think that will create hostilities. Especially when zionist militia groups commit acts of terrorism against the civilian arab population as what happened in Deir Yassin, according to UN documents."... Between ourselves it must be clear that there is no room for both peoples together in this country ... We shall not achieve our goal of being an independent people with the Arabs in this small country. The only solution is a Palestine, at least western Palestine (west of the Jordan river) without Arabs ... And there is no other way than to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighbouring countries, to transfer all of them; not one village, not one tribe, should be left ... Only after this transfer will the country be able to absorb the millions of our own brethren. There is no other way out;..."
There was no reason for the attack which left 254 arab women and children dead. So don't talk to me about "arab animals" when you have "zionist animals" doing that kind of shit.One of the most notorious cases of the terrorizing of civilian population occurred, according to Palestinian and other sources, in April 1948 at Deir Yassin, a village near Jerusalem, situated in territory assigned to the Jewish State by the partition resolution. A former Israeli military governor of Jerusalem writes:
"We suffered a reverse of a different nature on April 9 when combined Etzel and Stern Gang units mounted a deliberate and unprovoked attack on the Arab village of Deir Yassin on the western edge of Jerusalem. There was no reason for the attack. It was a quiet village, which had denied entry to the volunteer Arab units from across the frontier and which had not been involved in any attacks on Jewish areas. The dissident groups chose it for strictly political reasons. It was a deliberate act of terrorism ...
"... Women and children had not been given time enough to evacuate the village, although warned to do so by loudspeaker, and there were many of them among the 254 persons reported by the Arab Higher Committee as killed.
"The event was a disaster in every way. The dissidents held the village for two days and then abandoned it. They earned the contempt of most Jews in Jerusalem, and an unequivocal public repudiation by the Jewish Agency. But they gave the Arabs a strong charge against us, and the words 'Deir Yassin' were used over and over again both to justify their own atrocities and to persuade Arab villagers to join the mass flight which was now taking place all over Palestine."
Except that the aggression was from the zionist side.they lost a war of aggression.
I didn't happen to see any location of, or borders of Palestine on the map showing the points of attack for Arab armies.
Are you sure there was ever such a thing as "Palestine" as Arabs would have you believe?
So much hossfeathers.UN documents also showed why the arabs attacked. They were coming to the aid of Palestinian's indigenous to that area who were being expelled and driven from their homes due to a zionist policy of "ethnic cleansing".Arab animals attacking the Jewish areas in the blue. Are you fucking blind? Arabs lost their quest to destroy the newly formed Jewish state. UN documents also confirm this aggression by the Arab savages. There was no such thing as a "Palestinian people". UN and historical documents confirm that as well.
This is confirmed in one of the zionist writings at the time...
So zionists came into that area with every intention of driving out the people who were already living there. Because of zionist policies, violence was inevitable. They drove out 750,000 Palestinian's from an area they've been living for generations and you've got to be brain damaged if you don't think that will create hostilities. Especially when zionist militia groups commit acts of terrorism against the civilian arab population as what happened in Deir Yassin, according to UN documents."... Between ourselves it must be clear that there is no room for both peoples together in this country ... We shall not achieve our goal of being an independent people with the Arabs in this small country. The only solution is a Palestine, at least western Palestine (west of the Jordan river) without Arabs ... And there is no other way than to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighbouring countries, to transfer all of them; not one village, not one tribe, should be left ... Only after this transfer will the country be able to absorb the millions of our own brethren. There is no other way out;..."
There was no reason for the attack which left 254 arab women and children dead. So don't talk to me about "arab animals" when you have "zionist animals" doing that kind of shit.One of the most notorious cases of the terrorizing of civilian population occurred, according to Palestinian and other sources, in April 1948 at Deir Yassin, a village near Jerusalem, situated in territory assigned to the Jewish State by the partition resolution. A former Israeli military governor of Jerusalem writes:
"We suffered a reverse of a different nature on April 9 when combined Etzel and Stern Gang units mounted a deliberate and unprovoked attack on the Arab village of Deir Yassin on the western edge of Jerusalem. There was no reason for the attack. It was a quiet village, which had denied entry to the volunteer Arab units from across the frontier and which had not been involved in any attacks on Jewish areas. The dissident groups chose it for strictly political reasons. It was a deliberate act of terrorism ...
"... Women and children had not been given time enough to evacuate the village, although warned to do so by loudspeaker, and there were many of them among the 254 persons reported by the Arab Higher Committee as killed.
"The event was a disaster in every way. The dissidents held the village for two days and then abandoned it. They earned the contempt of most Jews in Jerusalem, and an unequivocal public repudiation by the Jewish Agency. But they gave the Arabs a strong charge against us, and the words 'Deir Yassin' were used over and over again both to justify their own atrocities and to persuade Arab villagers to join the mass flight which was now taking place all over Palestine."
Bottom line is, the arab nations didn't all of a sudden attack just because zionists declared the state of Israel's independance. They attacked because zionists were not allowing indigenous Palestinian's their inalienable rights to self-determination.
What - makes - the - difference? It'll never come up again. It isn't even on the back burner.If an invading army is repelled by a defender with no strategic gains by the aggressor, the aggressor would be considered to have lost. That seem to be a fairly simple concept.It was said that the Arab countries attacked Israel.
I can't find where there was any fighting inside Israel.
An armistice was called by UN Security Council resolution. Nobody lost that war. The borders for Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and Palestine were the same as they were in 1922.
The borders defining the state of Israel have changed subject to the wars of aggression waged by Arab armies.
What's the issue?
None of them lost any land. No borders were changed.
What did they lose?
First you said you wanted to see where and how the Arabs attacked, then you asked to see Israel's borders from which it was attacked from.Israel was declared a state and the next day the Arabs attacked. You wanted a map of where the Arabs attacked from, as if to imply they didn't. And here is a map of the borders agreed and passed by the UN, which is less than what the Jews had actually agreed to. Jordan is Palestine.What is there to debate? Israel has no borders on that map.
That wasn't the question.
Arab animals had been massacring Jews way before that, case in point, the Hebron massacre of 1929.UN documents also showed why the arabs attacked. They were coming to the aid of Palestinian's indigenous to that area who were being expelled and driven from their homes due to a zionist policy of "ethnic cleansing".Arab animals attacking the Jewish areas in the blue. Are you fucking blind? Arabs lost their quest to destroy the newly formed Jewish state. UN documents also confirm this aggression by the Arab savages. There was no such thing as a "Palestinian people". UN and historical documents confirm that as well.
This is confirmed in one of the zionist writings at the time...
So zionists came into that area with every intention of driving out the people who were already living there. Because of zionist policies, violence was inevitable. They drove out 750,000 Palestinian's from an area they've been living for generations and you've got to be brain damaged if you don't think that will create hostilities. Especially when zionist militia groups commit acts of terrorism against the civilian arab population as what happened in Deir Yassin, according to UN documents."... Between ourselves it must be clear that there is no room for both peoples together in this country ... We shall not achieve our goal of being an independent people with the Arabs in this small country. The only solution is a Palestine, at least western Palestine (west of the Jordan river) without Arabs ... And there is no other way than to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighbouring countries, to transfer all of them; not one village, not one tribe, should be left ... Only after this transfer will the country be able to absorb the millions of our own brethren. There is no other way out;..."
There was no reason for the attack which left 254 arab women and children dead. So don't talk to me about "arab animals" when you have "zionist animals" doing that kind of shit.One of the most notorious cases of the terrorizing of civilian population occurred, according to Palestinian and other sources, in April 1948 at Deir Yassin, a village near Jerusalem, situated in territory assigned to the Jewish State by the partition resolution. A former Israeli military governor of Jerusalem writes:
"We suffered a reverse of a different nature on April 9 when combined Etzel and Stern Gang units mounted a deliberate and unprovoked attack on the Arab village of Deir Yassin on the western edge of Jerusalem. There was no reason for the attack. It was a quiet village, which had denied entry to the volunteer Arab units from across the frontier and which had not been involved in any attacks on Jewish areas. The dissident groups chose it for strictly political reasons. It was a deliberate act of terrorism ...
"... Women and children had not been given time enough to evacuate the village, although warned to do so by loudspeaker, and there were many of them among the 254 persons reported by the Arab Higher Committee as killed.
"The event was a disaster in every way. The dissidents held the village for two days and then abandoned it. They earned the contempt of most Jews in Jerusalem, and an unequivocal public repudiation by the Jewish Agency. But they gave the Arabs a strong charge against us, and the words 'Deir Yassin' were used over and over again both to justify their own atrocities and to persuade Arab villagers to join the mass flight which was now taking place all over Palestine."
Bottom line is, the arab nations didn't all of a sudden attack just because zionists declared the state of Israel's independance. They attacked because zionists were not allowing indigenous Palestinian's their inalienable rights to self-determination.
If zionists hadn't of come in with their racist, apartheid agendas, there would not have been all the violence we have seen to date."In less than 10 years three serious attacks have been made by Arabs on Jews. For 80 years before the first of these attacks there is no recorded instance of any similar incidents. It is obvious then that the relations between the two races during the past decade must have differed in some material respect from those which previously obtained. Of this we found ample evidence. The reports of the Military Court and of the local Commission which, in 1920 and in 1921 respectively, enquired into the disturbances of those years, drew attention to the change in the attitude of the Arab population towards the Jews in Palestine. This was borne out by the evidence tendered during our inquiry when representatives of all parties told us that before the War the Jews and Arabs lived side by side if not in amity, at least with tolerance, a quality which to-day is almost unknown in Palestine"
That was because you fuckers went over and declared the Wailing Wall yours, when in fact, it was shared by both religions and peoples. If you weren't so fuckin' selfish, there wouldn't of been a riot.Arab animals had been massacring Jews way before that, case in point, the Hebron massacre of 1929.
Borders that came to be after the Arabs attacked Israel? After the 1948 war, Jordan and Egypt ended controlling West Bank and Gaza for 20 years. Why didn't they they create a Palestine then? Because it wasn't about a fake Palestine, ever. But even those "armistice lines" weren't good enough, because Arab animals again attacked Israel in 1967 which led to them loosing West Bank and Gaza. And guess what? It wasn't about creating a Palestine, AGAIN, it was about destroying the Jewish state.they lost a war of aggression.None of them lost any land. No borders were changed.
What did they lose?
I didn't happen to see any location of, or borders of Palestine on the map showing the points of attack for Arab armies.
Are you sure there was ever such a thing as "Palestine" as Arabs would have you believe?
There are borders. Palestine borders Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt. Those borders are mentioned in the 1949 armistice agreements.
Israel does not engage in terrorism, nor is it listed as a terrorist country. IslamoNazis like to accuse others of things they themsleves are most guilty of. That's an old shtick and they need to get over. Nobody's buying their crap except other IslamoNazis.What about the victims of Israeli terrorism. There are many more of those.
Israel gets away with a lot of stuff that it shouldn't. The word is getting out. They won't be able to get away with it forever.
It was more like an arab response to zionist attacks against the civilian arab population. Let's get one thing straight, this was a war you fuckers started!Borders that came to be after the Arabs attacked Israel?
How could they create a sovereign nation when Israel controls everything going into (and out of) Gaza and the West Bank.After the 1948 war, Jordan and Egypt ended controlling West Bank and Gaza for 20 years. Why didn't they they create a Palestine then? Because it wasn't about a fake Palestine, ever.
The arabs didn't attack in 1967, it was Israel that launched the first strike in that war. And how many times does your fuckin' pea brain have to be told, it is against international law to hold onto land seized in a war. So they didn't lose anything. Israel has been occupying land that isn't theirs for the last 45 years.But even those "armistice lines" weren't good enough, because Arab animals again attacked Israel in 1967 which led to them loosing West Bank and Gaza.
Yeah, guess what? You ain't ever getting that land!And guess what?
No, it was not about destroying the Jewish state, you selfish asshole. It was about allowing the Palestinian's their inalienable right to self-determination. Something the continued illegal occupation by Israel is preventing them from having.It wasn't about creating a Palestine, AGAIN, it was about destroying the Jewish state.
Hamas has been moving away from armed conflict for some time now. Their leaders have publically stated they would accept a two-state solution, provided Israel ends the occupation. But you fuckers won't do that now, will you?Besides, your Hamas terrorist animals have declared verbally and in writing that the only acceptable outcome is the total destruction of Israel. So I don't see what you're whining and bitching about the "armistice lines" you FOOL.
No, but I could post a map of how much land the Palestinian's have lost since 1946.Could you post a 1948 map of Israel showing where those Arab countries crossed the border into Israel?
Now who's trying to wipe who out?
