The End of the Netanyahu doctrine?

[Roudy]

Bullshit, anti Zionism is exactly the same thing as antisemitism. The movement of Jews from Europe back to the ME was never a threat to the Arabs, yet from 1920 on, the Arabs have been set on the eradication of the Jews even to the detriment of their own welfare. You are trying to say there was a rational basis for all of this hostility toward Jews, which is exactly what western antisemites say.

Antizionism by definition is antisemitism.

 

[Roudy]

Between being corrupt and getting caught with his pants down, Netanyahu's days as prime minister are coming to an end.

However, depending on how this ends, Netanyahu’s name can be etched in history as among the world’s greatest leaders that faced evil and defeated it, a modern day Churchill.

 

[surada]

How much of the Middle East was stolen by Arab imperialism?
Land, people, civilizations ruined, and mass illiteracy spread...

The Arabs were always in the. Middle East . See Akkadian Empire.

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[surada]

Antizionism by definition is antisemitism.

There are many semites. It's a language group.

 

[Roudy]

The Arabs were always in the. Middle East . See Akkadian Empire.

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Why don’t you ever tell the truth. Of course there were people in the Middle East, just like everywhere else in the world throughout human history. However, they started identifying themselves as “Arabs” once the warrior Arab prophet of Islam from Saudi Arabia and his followers invaded these lands and forced people and nations to convert to their religion, language, culture and laws at the point of the sword.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

My OP deals with Netanyahu’s policy of dividing and oppressing non-Jewish Palestinians in the conquored terrorories of the West Bank and Gaza — even to the extent of having tolerated and politically preferred Hamas rule in Gaza right up to the recent past.

This policy seems to some to have backfired terribly, though others would perhaps deny that. Most Zionists here seem unwilling to discuss the OP thread topic. Indeed, they seem anxious to discuss anything but this policy, sometimes referred to as “the Netanyahu Doctrine.”

My belief is that by considering carefully the contradictory and symbiotic relationship between modern Zionist policies and mad bloody-minded Hamas terrorism, we can gain some meaningful insight into the present predicament of Israel and “Zionism,” and perhaps also into the aims of its leaders’ present policy of “collective punishment” being carried out in Gaza.

Errors of Zionist policy notwithstanding, Hamas terrorism and its bloody suicidal desire for revenge, its aim to somehow unite Muslims to wipe out the Zionist state, is essentially itself both self-defeating and genocidal. It can only bring more suffering to Palestinians and to all the peoples living in the Near East.

 

[surada]

Why don’t you ever tell the truth. Of course there were people in the Middle East, just like everywhere else in the world throughout human history. However, they started identifying themselves as “Arabs” once the warrior Arab prophet of Islam from Saudi Arabia and his followers invaded these lands and forced people and nations to convert to their religion, language, culture and laws at the point of the sword.

They were Arabs long before Islam. Sargon2 settled four Arab tribes in Samaria during the Babylonian exile.

Benjamin Netanyahu's Long History of Crying Wolf About Iran's Nuclear Weapons

The Israeli Prime Minister is expected to warn the U.S. Congress an Iranian bomb is imminent — just as he warned in 1992, 1995, 2002, 2009, and 2012.

theintercept.com

 

[Roudy]

They were Arabs long before Islam. Sargon2 settled four Arab tribes in Samaria during the Babylonian exile.

Benjamin Netanyahu's Long History of Crying Wolf About Iran's Nuclear Weapons

The Israeli Prime Minister is expected to warn the U.S. Congress an Iranian bomb is imminent — just as he warned in 1992, 1995, 2002, 2009, and 2012.

theintercept.com

Same stupid record you play over and over as if it makes any difference. Who cares! Over 2000 years after Judaism and Jews inhabiting Israel, and 1400 years after Christianity, your prophet Mohammed appeared in Saudi Arabia and shoved Islam down the throats of the moon god idol worshipping Arabs there, and proceeded to then shove Islam and the Arabic language and culture through invasions, violence, rape, murder, looting and destruction throughout the region and rest of the world.

Even your prophet Mohammad acknowledged that Israel belongs to the tribe of bani-Israel, the Jews. If Islam thought these mythical Palestinians or land of Palestine existed, it would have been recorded and mentioned by Mohammad and or the caliphates or followers over 1400 years ago. But not a mention of it anywhere.

You Jihadi wanna be Pali-propagandists need to understand, you can bray, holler, chant, whine, lie annd commit barbaric terrorist acts all that you want. Israel is not going anywhere. You can swarm cities all over the world like ants and chant your pro Hamas destruction of Israel chants. ”Palestine” is yet another Islamic terrorist shithole state the Islamists have been trying to create in the region. In fact every single one of your so called Palestinian leaders has been a corrupt genocidal terrorist thief that sacrificed his people and stole their money in one form or another.

This conflict has never been about “land”, it has always been about Muslim inability to coexist as EQUAL to non Muslims, or allow land to be under the control of non Muslims. It’s as simple as that.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Now that the old “Netanyahu Doctrine” of preferring Hamas rule to PLO secular rule in the Gaza Strip has backfired tragically, the question arises as to what new policy the Israeli State intends to pursue, besides “destroying Hamas.”

This article (from a left-wing source) quotes a recent leaked Israeli Military Intelligence document proposing that Israel seek to drive residents out of Gaza entirely and into new tent cities in Egypt’s Sinai. Of course at present this is not “officially” Israel’s goal and it is opposed by both Egypt and the Biden Administration.


New Document Leak on Plan to Expel Gaza Population

October 30, 2023

A leaked document … in an Israeli news site on Monday lays out a plan to transfer more than 2 million Palestinians from Gaza to Egypt’s Sinai desert, reports Joe Lauria..

The document from the Ministry of Intelligence is being downplayed by Israeli officials, who are saying it is not being actively considered while the ground operation is underway. The document was first published in Hebrew by the news website Sicha Mekomit. The article’s blurb says:

“A document on behalf of the Ministry of Intelligence, the full content of which is published here for the first time, recommends the forced transfer of the population of the Gaza Strip to Sinai permanently, and calls for the international community to be harnessed for the move. The document also suggests promoting a ‘dedicated campaign’ for the residents of Gaza that will ‘motivate them to agree to the plan.'”…

New Document Leak on Plan to Expel Gaza Population

 

[toomuchtime_]

Now that the old “Netanyahu Doctrine” of preferring Hamas rule to PLO secular rule in the Gaza Strip has backfired tragically, the question arises as to what new policy the Israeli State intends to pursue, besides “destroying Hamas.”

This article (from a left-wing source) quotes a recent leaked Israeli Military Intelligence document proposing that Israel seek to drive residents out of Gaza entirely and into new tent cities in Egypt’s Sinai. Of course at present this is not “officially” Israel’s goal and it is opposed by both Egypt and the Biden Administration.


New Document Leak on Plan to Expel Gaza Population

October 30, 2023

A leaked document … in an Israeli news site on Monday lays out a plan to transfer more than 2 million Palestinians from Gaza to Egypt’s Sinai desert, reports Joe Lauria..

The document from the Ministry of Intelligence is being downplayed by Israeli officials, who are saying it is not being actively considered while the ground operation is underway. The document was first published in Hebrew by the news website Sicha Mekomit. The article’s blurb says:

“A document on behalf of the Ministry of Intelligence, the full content of which is published here for the first time, recommends the forced transfer of the population of the Gaza Strip to Sinai permanently, and calls for the international community to be harnessed for the move. The document also suggests promoting a ‘dedicated campaign’ for the residents of Gaza that will ‘motivate them to agree to the plan.'”…

New Document Leak on Plan to Expel Gaza Population

At least you are no longer pretending to a reasonable person trying to understand the situation.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

At least you are no longer pretending to a reasonable person trying to understand the situation.

A reasonable person pays attention — not to Gateway Pundit or Fox TV or Israeli Government or MSNBC propaganda — but to real documents and real actions of political actors. That is ultimately how we can learn about and make sense of complicated political reality.

This document is otherwise not available to English readers, so mentioning it here is a useful service. Of course it “proves” little, but does show the aims of at least some elements in the Israeli intelligence establishment.

Your problem is you only see two extreme sides of every issue — good guys and bad guys, MAGA Repubs & “socialist” Democrats, terrorists like Hamas and totally well-intentioned Zionists, etc. That way you will remain a sucker for one line of propaganda or another … forever.

 

[toomuchtime_]

A reasonable person pays attention — not to Gateway Pundit or Fox TV or Israeli Government or MSNBC propaganda — but to real documents and real actions of political actors. That is ultimately how we can learn about and make sense of complicated political reality.

This document is otherwise not available to English readers, so mentioning it here is a useful service. Of course it “proves” little, but does show the aims of at least some elements in the Israeli intelligence establishment.

Your problem is you only see two extreme sides of every issue — good guys and bad guys, MAGA Repubs & “socialist” Democrats, terrorists like Hamas and totally well-intentioned Zionists, etc. That way you will remain a sucker of one line of propaganda or another forever.

Disabuse yourself of the notion you are being clever. Time and again you have shown yourself to be a fraud and a liar. It's probably time for you to take a new identity if you want to be taken seriously.

 

[Roudy]

Now that the old “Netanyahu Doctrine” of preferring Hamas rule to PLO secular rule in the Gaza Strip has backfired tragically, the question arises as to what new policy the Israeli State intends to pursue, besides “destroying Hamas.”

This article (from a left-wing source) quotes a recent leaked Israeli Military Intelligence document proposing that Israel seek to drive residents out of Gaza entirely and into new tent cities in Egypt’s Sinai. Of course at present this is not “officially” Israel’s goal and it is opposed by both Egypt and the Biden Administration.


New Document Leak on Plan to Expel Gaza Population

October 30, 2023

A leaked document … in an Israeli news site on Monday lays out a plan to transfer more than 2 million Palestinians from Gaza to Egypt’s Sinai desert, reports Joe Lauria..

The document from the Ministry of Intelligence is being downplayed by Israeli officials, who are saying it is not being actively considered while the ground operation is underway. The document was first published in Hebrew by the news website Sicha Mekomit. The article’s blurb says:

“A document on behalf of the Ministry of Intelligence, the full content of which is published here for the first time, recommends the forced transfer of the population of the Gaza Strip to Sinai permanently, and calls for the international community to be harnessed for the move. The document also suggests promoting a ‘dedicated campaign’ for the residents of Gaza that will ‘motivate them to agree to the plan.'”…

New Document Leak on Plan to Expel Gaza Population

Arabs \ Muslims and their supporters are very slow leaners. They seem to ignore that every time in history that Israel has been attacked by the subhuman genocidal animals, Israel has defeated them sounded and ended up with more territory. In this case, Palestinians can kiss one half of Gaza, the northern half, goodbye. In about two to three weeks it will be officially Israeli territory.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

The Times of Israel quoted a US official saying Benjamin Netanyahu’s government had agreed to allow 100 trucks of humanitarian aid into Gaza each day, which would be a dramatic increase from the current thin trickle….

Some Israelis oppose any aid for Gaza. However, Israel’s security chiefs now support expanding humanitarian aid because they wish to keep international support for a military offensive that they expect to last a month, the commentator Nadav Eyal wrote in the newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth….

“In order to allow the IDF to operate over time, some form of regular life will have to be created in the southern Gaza Strip near Rafah,” he said. “Legitimacy equals time, that is the formula that the Israeli security establishment has come to adopt.”

Israel targets Hamas tunnels amid hopes more aid will reach civilians in Gaza

My comment: We shall see. I don’t expect extra aid allowed in will reach anything remotely resembling a normal or sufficient level for weeks … unless there is a breakthrough where the hostages held by Hamas are released en masse, something I think is unfortunately very unlikely at this point.

 

[surada]

Arabs \ Muslims and their supporters are very slow leaners. They seem to ignore that every time in history that Israel has been attacked by the subhuman genocidal animals, Israel has defeated them sounded and ended up with more territory. In this case, Palestinians can kiss one half of Gaza, the northern half, goodbye. In about two to three weeks it will be officially Israeli territory.

That was the plan all along.

 

[surada]

Excerpts from an article worth reading. It basically asks the question: “Is Israel preparing for a new “Nakba” of Palestinians living in the Gaza Strip?”

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Why does Egypt fear evacuating Gaza?

Cairo worries that, instead of saving lives, a 'humanitarian corridor' could be a pretense to permanently exile Palestinians …

The Israeli army ordered the evacuation of the entire north half of Gaza, home to 1 million people, on Thursday night… The United Nations said that the evacuation order — which originally gave Palestinians only 24 hours to leave — was impossible to fulfill …

Egyptian president Abdel Fattah al-Sisi said in a speech late on Thursday that Egypt was committed to providing humanitarian aid to Gaza, but that Palestinians must “remain on their land” because their removal from Gaza would bring “the elimination of the [Palestinian] cause.” He had earlier claimed that “Egypt will not allow the Palestinian cause to be settled at the expense of other parties.”

The Biden administration is working to set up a “humanitarian corridor” for Palestinian civilians in Gaza to flee to Egypt, but Cairo is signaling that it will not accept a solution that forces Palestinians to leave Gaza without any hope of return.

Reuters reported on Wednesday that Egypt rejected the idea of evacuations in order to protect Palestinians’ right to stay on their land. A chorus of Egyptian officials, media personalities, and religious authorities have stated over the past two days — with almost exactly the same wording — that Egypt will not tolerate Israel pushing Palestinians into Egypt at the expense of “Egyptian sovereignty.”

Speaking anonymously to Cairo News, high-level officials denounced the “calls for a mass exodus” from “some parties,” which are a “proxy for emptying the [Gaza] Strip of its inhabitants and liquidating the Palestinian issue itself.” The statement seemed aimed at Israeli member of parliament Ariel Kallner, who called for the ethnic cleansing of Gaza this week.

Egypt’s prestigious Al-Azhar seminary, meanwhile, put out a statement on Wednesday urging Palestinians to remain “steadfast,” because “leaving your land is the death of your cause and will cause the disappearance of your land forever.”

Israel, reeling from the murder of hundreds of Israeli civilians by Hamas guerrillas, has begun an intense retribution campaign against Gaza, the Palestinian enclave ruled by Hamas. The Israeli military has cut off food, water, and electricity to Gaza while bombing the area more intensely than ever before.

Hundreds of Palestinians have been killed, and Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu is widely expected to launch a ground invasion. International calls for a “humanitarian corridor” have mounted as food rations dry up and hospitals run low on vital supplies. However, different parties have very different visions in mind. The World Health Organization is demanding that medicine be allowed into Gaza, while the Biden administration has apparently focused on evacuating civilians out of Gaza.

It is unclear whether the Biden administration would pressure Israel to allow Palestinians to return to Gaza after the war is over. U.S. officials have publicly called on Israel to respect the laws of war.

The situation resembles the siege of Karabakh over the past few months. Azerbaijani authorities had cut off food supplies to the Armenian enclave of Karabakh for several months, leading to mass starvation. Last month, the Azerbaijani military began a campaign to retake Karabakh, while advertising a “humanitarian corridor” — in those exact words — for locals to flee to Armenia.

Almost the entire population of Karabakh fled and are unlikely to return. Many critics, from Armenian prime minister Nikol Pashinyan to prominent American columnists, have called the emptying of Karabakh an act of ethnic cleansing.

Israeli politicians have indicated that they prefer a similar solution in Gaza, and perhaps the entire Palestinian territories. The idea of solving the Palestinian issue through “population transfer” has grown more popular with the Israeli public over the past few years. Bezalel Smotrich, the Israeli minister in charge of the West Bank, once proposed a “Decisive Plan” that would give Palestinians a choice between accepting permanent Israeli rule or emigrating.

Kallner, the Israeli member of parliament, wrote on social media that Israel should have “one goal: Nakba! A Nakba that will overshadow the Nakba of 48. Nakba in Gaza and Nakba to anyone who dares to join!”

The Nakba refers to the mass exile of Palestinians during the Israeli war of independence in 1948. Around 700,000 people left their homes, with many fleeing to Gaza, then under Egyptian control.

Egypt relinquished its claim to Gaza in the Egyptian-Israeli peace treaty of 1978. The treaty, known as the Camp David Accords, called for Israel to establish Palestinian self-rule in the territory instead. Jordan agreed to a similar principle in the 1980s, giving up its claims on the West Bank in favor of the Palestinian independence movement.

Jordanian leaders often say that their goal was to prevent Israel from trying to create an “alternative [Palestinian] homeland” on Jordanian soil. Khaled el Gendy, an official with Egypt’s ministry of religion, brought up the same specter in a Tuesday speech.

“Now some calls have appeared to push the Palestinians out of their land and put them into the Sinai to create an alternative homeland,” he said, referring to Egypt’s Sinai Peninsula. “This cannot happen, ever.”

The Israeli ambassador in Cairo stated on social media that Israel has no designs on taking the Sinai from Egypt.

Of course, it is possible to evacuate civilians from Gaza without Egypt's involvement. Israeli authorities could allow Palestinians to travel from Gaza to the West Bank — or they could set up refugee camps within Israel proper. Such a solution would assuage concerns that Israel plans to permanently depopulate Gaza.

However, Israel does not appear interested in taking in Palestinian refugees. All checkpoints controlling access to the West Bank are also under complete lockdown.

Why does Egypt fear evacuating Gaza?

They would never be allowed to return to Gaza.

Chaim Wisemann tried this in 1950. He approached Aramco and ibn Saud about forcibly relocating the rest of the Palestinians to Arabia.

 

[Mac-7]

Yes, we both agree that Israelis are lying, cruel and against the Lord Commandments.
Because this is what/who they are

The Israeli’s are fighting for survival

There can never be peace between the Palestinians and the Jews

Ever

Hamas or something even more militant than Hamas will win any election in Gaza or the West Bank and that means war

So whats the solution?

There is no solution

 

[surada]

The Israeli’s are fighting for survival

There can never be peace between the Palestinians and the Jews

Ever

Hamas or something even more militant than Hamas will win any election in Gaza or the West Bank and that means war

So whats the solution?

There is no solution

There was peace for 2 thousand years. This isn't about Arabs and Jews or religion. .. The Jews fought the crusaders alongside the Muslims.

 

[Mac-7]

There was peace for 2 thousand years. This isn't about Arabs and Jews or religion. .. The Jews fought the crusaders alongside the Muslims.

Two objects cannot occupy the same space at the same time

Iran is determined to use Palestine arabs to drive Jews into the sea

But God wont allow that to happen

 

[surada]

Two objects cannot occupy the same space at the same time

Iran is determined to use Palestine arabs to drive Jews into the sea

But God wont allow that to happen

Israel used to buy all their oil from Iran.

Iran had 250,000 Jews when I was a kid. They'd been there since the Babylonian exile so they were well assimilated and prosperous. The Zionists wrecked that. Took them 30 years, but they did it.