The End of the Netanyahu doctrine?

[Roudy]

Oh and Syria's Assad's father loved Palestinians too! Eh...move along, this is what Muslims do, as long as it isn't Jews defending themselves against these savages, nothing to write home about!

Palestinians tortured to death by Assad regime

The number of Palestinians in Syria who have been tortured to death by the regime of Bashar Al-Assad has risen to 631, a rights group has revealed. According to the...

www.middleeastmonitor.com

3,196 Syrian Palestinians Were Killed by Syrian Regime Forces, including 491 Due to Torture, Between March 2011 and July 2020, and 49 Appeared in Caesar Photos | Syrian Network for Human Rights

2,663 of Syrian Palestinians Imprisoned by the Syrian Regime Between March 2011 and July 2020 Are Still Detained or Forcibly Disappeared, with Death Certificates for 37 of Those Forcibly Disappeared Issued by the Civil Registry (Link below to download full report) Press release: The Syrian...

snhr.org

 

[Roudy]

Now Kuwaitis were big fans of these G-d forsaken people, especially when they sided with Sadam Hussien during the invasion of Kuwait.

Kuwait Expels Thousands of Palestinians

Much has been made of the Palestinian exodus of 1948. Yet during their decades of dispersal, the Palestinians have experienced no less traumatic ordeals at the hands of their Arab brothers. As early as the mid-1950s, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Libya

www.meforum.org

 

[Roudy]

Yes. We can always depend on you to make the most obvious and boring observations.

In fact Egypt and Jordan are bankrupt states, and both can manage increased immigration of Palestinians only with great difficulty and at risk of disrupting the fragile domestic “peace” their ruling regimes have maintained with Israel. Both at times have resorted to using very coercive measures, and both are dependent on funds from the West and a few rich Arab oil states.

Not so good observation from Mr. Pain in the Membrane. They aren’t taking the Palestinians because of who they are and what they’ve done in these Arab countries. Not because of their economic conditions. In fact Israel would be more than happy if they stepped up and took them in. After all, these same 5 Arab countries are responsible for the plight of the so called Palestinians, which are basically refugees created by their many failed attempts to destroy Israel.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

But you see nobody mentioned those crimes, because eh, it's Muslims vs Muslims, let them slaughter each other, that's like a hobby for them.

Black September (Arabic: أيلول الأسود Aylūl al-ʾAswad), also known as the Jordanian Civil War,[9] was an armed conflict between Jordan, led by King Hussein …

Oh and Syria’s Assad’s father loved Palestinians too! Eh … move along, this is what Muslims do, as long as it isn’t Jews defending themselves against these savages, nothing to write home about!

Palestinians tortured to death by Assad regime

The number of Palestinians in Syria who have been tortured to death by the regime of Bashar Al-Assad has risen to 631, a rights group has revealed. According to the...

www.middleeastmonitor.com

“Nobody mentions crimes of Muslims vs. Muslims” ???

What utter bullshit!

Nobody ever mentions the historic Saudi-Iranian Sunni-Shia division or the present Saudi-Houthi conflict? How about the 8-year Iraq-Iran War the U.S. encouraged in the 1980s? Or the Syrian Civil War? Or the Fight against ISIS and Al Qaeda in Iraq and Syria?

We are talking here of the horrible Hamas-initiated attack on Israel (and the Israeli government’s inevitable retaliation) aimed in large part to disrupt the Saudi-Israel rapprochement. Try to make some positive contribution to this discussion for a change!

By the way, anybody who DOESN’T already know about “Black September” has no business even discussing Palestinian-Israeli-Jordanian relations. But knowing “about” things doesn’t mean understanding them. All you do is act the fool denigrating Palestinians, Arabs, Democrats, or whoever you hate as “savages” or “traitors,” acting “tough” (in defense of Israel) with your boring regurgitation of one sided histories and your calls for liquidating “god-forsaken” people “on the bottom of the totem pole.” You are sick and totally unreliable, as here when you link to (without even mentioning) what seems to be a Muslim Brotherhood “pro-Palestinian” article published by a Qatari-funded source.

This OP is not a simple-minded partisan pos. Please go elsewhere if you only seek to troll.

 

[Roudy]

“Nobody mentions crimes of Muslims vs. Muslims” ???

What utter bullshit!

Nobody ever mentions the historic Saudi-Iranian Sunni-Shia division or the present Saudi-Houthi conflict? How about the 8-year Iraq-Iran War the U.S. encouraged in the 1980s? Or the Syrian Civil War? Or the Fight against ISIS and Al Qaeda in Iraq and Syria?

We are talking here of the horrible Hamas-initiated attack on Israel (and the Israeli government’s inevitable retaliation) aimed in large part to disrupt the Saudi-Israel rapprochement. Try to make some positive contribution to this discussion for a change!

By the way, anybody who DOESN’T already know about “Black September” has no business even discussing Palestinian-Israeli-Jordanian relations. But knowing “about” things doesn’t mean understanding them. All you do is act the fool denigrating Palestinians, Arabs, Democrats, or whoever you hate as “savages” or “traitors,” acting “tough” (in defense of Israel) with your boring regurgitation of one sided histories and your calls for liquidating “god-forsaken” people “on the bottom of the totem pole.” You are sick and totally unreliable, as here when you link to (without even mentioning) what seems to be a Muslim Brotherhood “pro-Palestinian” article published by a Qatari-funded source.

This OP is not a simple-minded partisan pos. Please go elsewhere if you only seek to troll.

Nah, it’s fun watching ignoramuses like you have hissy fits of Jew hate.

Non of those things are emphasized, most people DON’T know about Black September or the other bloody confrontations between Palesinians and other neighboring Arab nations, because it’s non of our business. Well actually some of them are gullible and indoctrinated, and too young in the first place.

You seem upset over the side that is being hidden from the public. All we hear is the Arab countries refusing to take the Palestinians in, but most people don’t know the WHY. It isn’t because of their fragile economies or not wanting to disturb the peace with Israel, which you lied about. So all that happened was I called you on your lies and propaganda and you are busy whining about it.

The greatest hoax ever perpetrated on humanity is the one where refugees that where created as a result of failed Arab aggressions towards the Israel, which started calling themselves “Palestinians” circa 1960’s, were actually residents of a sovereign nation called Palestine, which the Jews invaded and stole from them.

 

[surada]

No actually all of them have let them in before and know exactly who and what "Palestinians" are. Whey do you think when Egypt and Jordan controlled the land for about 20 years, until 1967, no Palestine was ever created? The concept was a JOKE to them. Actually the current king of Jordan knows them too well, his father literally mowed down thousands of Palestinian man, woman and child with machine guns from helicopters (well, it's heli-coBter for Palestinians) when their prophet Ara-fart tried to create a Palestine in Jordan. Same thing happened in Egypt, Syria and Kuwait, when they tried to create a Palestine in those countries too. But you see nobody mentioned those crimes, because eh, it's Muslims vs Muslims, let them slaughter each other, that's like a hobby for them.

Black September (Arabic: أيلول الأسود Aylūl al-ʾAswad), also known as the Jordanian Civil War,[9] was an armed conflict between Jordan, led by King Hussein, and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), led by chairman Yasser Arafat. The main phase of the fighting took place between 16 and 27 September 1970, though certain aspects of the conflict continued until 17 July 1971.

I went to Palestine for 3 two week trips before 1967. I remember what was going on quite well . The Zionists were refugees too and they were turned away several times before and during WW2.

Refugee populations are a problem.

King Abdullah bin Al-Hussein (1882-1951)

Zionist Aspirations in Palestine - 20.07

Atlantic Unbound: The Atlantic Monthly Magazine Online

www.theatlantic.com

 

[surada]

Nah, it’s fun watching ignoramuses like you have hissy fits of Jew hate.

Non of those things are emphasized, most people DON’T know about Black September or the other bloody confrontations between Palesinians and other neighboring Arab nations, because it’s non of our business. Well actually some of them are gullible and indoctrinated, and too young in the first place.

You seem upset over the side that is being hidden from the public. All we hear is the Arab countries refusing to take the Palestinians in, but most people don’t know the WHY. It isn’t because of their fragile economies or not wanting to disturb the peace with Israel, which you lied about. So all that happened was I called you on your lies and propaganda and you are busy whining about it.

The greatest hoax ever perpetrated on humanity is the one where refugees that where created as a result of failed Arab aggressions towards the Israel, which started calling themselves “Palestinians” circa 1960’s, were actually residents of a sovereign nation called Palestine, which the Jews invaded and stole from them.

They were called Palestinians in Arabia in 1950. Lots of them worked there.

King Abdullah bin Al-Hussein (1882-1951)

Zionist Aspirations in Palestine - 20.07

Atlantic Unbound: The Atlantic Monthly Magazine Online

www.theatlantic.com

 

[watchingfromafar]

Nah, it’s fun watching ignoramuses like you have hissy fits of Jew hate.

Here is who you are defending, child slayers (murder)

I do not hate the Jewish people but I do detest, loath and find repugnant The Israelites who use their IDF sniper teams to pick out and murder Palestinian children.
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Invisible killings: Israel's daily toll of Palestinian children | The ...

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Convincing the Israeli adults in control of this weaponry in civilian areas that they should not be using it to kill children who are merely stone throwers should not ...

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Israel has killed more than 3,000 children since 28 September 2000 when the Second Intifada began until the end of April 2017, a new report ...
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12 yr old boy SHOT DEAD in front of your eyes
http://www.themodernreligion.com/jihad/sniper.html

Gaza girl said killed
By Amos Harel and Nir Hasson, Haaretz Correspondents,
and Haaretz Service
IDF troops shot and killed an 8-year-old Palestinian girl who was on her way to school in a Gaza Strip refugee camp
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/494672.html

Photos of a 12 year old palestinian boy being shot by Israeli soldiers and the ambulance driver who tried to save him also being shot and killed.
http://www.palestine-net.com/misc/durra/

Three-year-old Rawan Abu Zeid, who took bullets in the neck and dead while buying candy with her friends.
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article2785.shtml

12-year old Hoda Darwish was hit in the head by a bullet fired Two 10 year-old school children were shot in the al-Omaria school run by UNRWA in Rafah, when an Israeli tank fired into their classroom.

Bullets fired from the tank flew through the classroom window, hitting Mahmoud Hamad in the neck and Hisham al Habil in the head. The boys had not even been sitting by the windows but in the middle of the room.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/index.html

An eight-year-old Palestinian girl shot dead by Israeli troops in the central Gaza Strip was killed while showing off her new school uniform to friends
http://tinyurl.com/99kh8zk
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[toomuchtime_]

They were called Palestinians in Arabia in 1950. Lots of them worked there.

King Abdullah bin Al-Hussein (1882-1951)

Zionist Aspirations in Palestine - 20.07

Atlantic Unbound: The Atlantic Monthly Magazine Online

www.theatlantic.com

There is a principle in economics that says resources go to their most highly valued use. Clearly, the land is more productive under the Jews than it was under the Arabs, and still is today, and that's why the creation of Israel was a success.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

It’s fun watching ignoramuses like you have hissy fits of Jew hate.

It is important that ultra-right Zionists who are only here to troll and slander be recognized. There are many like Roudy … as there are also many decent and thoughtful defenders of Israel, and likewise decent people opposed to unlimited U.S. aid to Israel (or Ukraine). Indeed, we also have open anti-Semites here who defend Hamas and apologize for its bloody attack!

Even those like myself who denounce Hamas and wish to see it destroyed utterly — because it is a danger both to Palestinians and Israelis — must be accused by people like Roudy of “Jew Hate.” That is the natural expression of his own pro-Zionist little “hissy fit.”

 

[surada]

There is a principle in economics that says resources go to their most highly valued use. Clearly, the land is more productive under the Jews than it was under the Arabs, and still is today, and that's why the creation of Israel was a success.

You still don't steal from others

 

[surada]

Video: Ex-Saudi intel chief accuses Israel of 'funnelling' Qatari money to Hamas

Saudi Arabia's former Intelligence Chief Prince Turki al-Faisal accused Israel of funnelling Qatari money to the Hamas terrorist group, even as he condemned both sides for the ongoing war. He said that there are no heroes in the current situation, but only victims.

www.indiatoday.in

 

[toomuchtime_]

You still don't steal from others

Nothing was stolen.

 

[rylah]

You still don't steal from others

How much of the Middle East was stolen by Arab imperialism?
Land, people, civilizations ruined, and mass illiteracy spread...

 

[Roudy]

It is important that ultra-right Zionists who are only here to troll and slander be recognized. There are many like Roudy … as there are also many decent and thoughtful defenders of Israel, and likewise decent people opposed to unlimited U.S. aid to Israel (or Ukraine). Indeed, we also have open anti-Semites here who defend Hamas and apologize for its bloody attack!

Even those like myself who denounce Hamas and wish to see it destroyed utterly — because it is a danger both to Palestinians and Israelis — must be accused by people like Roudy of “Jew Hate.” That is the natural expression of his own pro-Zionist little “hissy fit.”

Oh so just because you pretend to not support Hamas, you aren’t an antisemite. A few months ago I bet you called them brave freedumb fighters.

Nothing wrong with being a pro Zionist. Zionism by Definition is the right of the Jewish people to have their own homeland in the ancestral, cultural and religious land of Israel. Since anti Zionism = anti semitism, then by definition that makes you just another garden variety antisemite.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Oh so just because you pretend to not support Hamas, you aren’t an antisemite. A few months ago I bet you called them brave freedumb fighters.

Nothing wrong with being a pro Zionist. Zionism by Definition is the right of the Jewish people to have their own homeland in the ancestral, cultural and religious land of Israel. Since anti Zionism = anti semitism, then by definition that makes you just another garden variety antisemite.

Stop trolling and acting like a “garden variety” jerk. There is certainly nothing wrong with being Jewish, Zionist or a patriotic Israeli. Just as there is not anything wrong with criticizing wrong-headed and extremist Zionist policies … or U.S. policies.

Nor is there anything wrong with being or identifying as a Palestinian. Millions know full well that they and their families were uprooted from their original homes and villages in Israel. Gazans know they can probably never return so long as Israel exists, are trapped there at present, and their very lives are threatened by the Israeli siege and air strikes. It is not the fault of children that they were born and stuck in Gaza suffering and dying for the crimes of others.

“Anti-Zionism” is by no means the same as anti-Semitism either — this is just a convenient short-hand and simple-minded slogan used by arrogant Zionist propagandists. But we all know you will keep lying about everything and everyone who challenges your own views.

 

[Roudy]

Stop trolling and acting like a “garden variety” jerk. There is certainly nothing wrong with being Jewish, Zionist or a patriotic Israeli. Just as there is not anything wrong with criticizing wrong-headed and extremist Zionist policies … or U.S. policies.

Nor is there anything wrong with being or identifying as a Palestinian. Millions know full well that they and their families were uprooted from their original homes and villages in Israel. Gazans know they can probably never return so long as Israel exists, are trapped there at present, and their very lives are threatened by the Israeli siege and air strikes. It is not the fault of children that they were born and stuck in Gaza suffering and dying for the crimes of others.

“Anti-Zionism” is by no means the same as anti-Semitism either — this is just a convenient short-hand and simple-minded slogan used by arrogant Zionist propagandists. But we all know you will keep lying about everything and everyone who challenges your own views.

Do you even know what Zionism means? The right for the Jewish people to establish a homeland in the ancestral, religious and cultural land of Israel. The word Zion which literally means Israel is mentioned hundreds of times in the Jewish Torah and almost the same amount in the New Testament. Jesus was a Zionist Jew. You cannot call yourself a Jew and not be a Zionist.

So yes, antizionism mean antisemitism. Only ignorant hatefilled morons would disagree with that.

 

[Roudy]

Do you even know what Zionism means? The right for the Jewish people to establish a homeland in the ancestral, religious and cultural land of Israel. The word Zion which literally means Israel is mentioned hundreds of times in the Jewish Torah and almost the same amount in the New Testament. Jesus was a Zionist Jew. You cannot call yourself a Jew and not be a Zionist.

So yes, antizionism mean antisemitism. Only ignorant hatefilled morons would disagree with that.

What Is the Meaning of Zion in the Bible?​

The ancient Hebrew word Tsiyon (Zion) is “a Canaanite hill fortress in Jerusalem captured by David and called in the Bible ‘City of David.’" Zion can refer to one of three places: the hill where the most ancient areas of Jerusalem stood; the city of Jerusalem itself; or the dwelling place of God.
CANDICE LUCEY
CONTRIBUTING WRITER

Zion | History, Significance, Map, & Facts

Zion, in the Old Testament, the easternmost of the two hills of ancient Jerusalem. It was the site of the Jebusite city captured by David, king of Israel and Judah, in the 10th century bce (2 Samuel 5:6–9) and established by him as his royal capital. Some scholars believe that the name also

www.britannica.com

Zion, in the Old Testament, the easternmost of the two hills of ancient Jerusalem. It was the site of the Jebusite city captured by David, king of Israel and Judah, in the 10th century BCE (2 Samuel 5:6–9) and established by him as his royal capital. Some scholars believe that the name also belonged to the “stronghold of Zion” taken by David (2 Samuel 5:7), which may have been the fortress of the city. The Jewish historian Josephus, in the 1st century CE, identified Zion with the western hill of Jerusalem, where most of the city lay in his day.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Stop trolling and acting like a “garden variety” jerk. There is certainly nothing wrong with being Jewish, Zionist or a patriotic Israeli. Just as there is not anything wrong with criticizing wrong-headed and extremist Zionist policies … or U.S. policies.

Nor is there anything wrong with being or identifying as a Palestinian. Millions know full well that they and their families were uprooted from their original homes and villages in Israel. Gazans know they can probably never return so long as Israel exists, are trapped there at present, and their very lives are threatened by the Israeli siege and air strikes. It is not the fault of children that they were born and stuck in Gaza suffering and dying for the crimes of others.

“Anti-Zionism” is by no means the same as anti-Semitism either — this is just a convenient short-hand and simple-minded slogan used by arrogant Zionist propagandists. But we all know you will keep lying about everything and everyone who challenges your own views.

Bullshit, anti Zionism is exactly the same thing as antisemitism. The movement of Jews from Europe back to the ME was never a threat to the Arabs, yet from 1920 on, the Arabs have been set on the eradication of the Jews even to the detriment of their own welfare. You are trying to say there was a rational basis for all of this hostility toward Jews, which is exactly what western antisemites say.

 

[lennypartiv]

Between being corrupt and getting caught with his pants down, Netanyahu's days as prime minister are coming to an end.