doeton
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The fact that there's no reference to our Christianity or our God in a TREATY WITH FUCKING TRIPOLI does not support your initial inanity,
oh it support my inanity.
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The fact that there's no reference to our Christianity or our God in a TREATY WITH FUCKING TRIPOLI does not support your initial inanity,
oh it support my inanity.
"We, therefore, the Representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the SUPREME JUDGE OF THE WORLD for the rectitude of our intentions....."
it's the inability for so many people to listen and work together with those who disagree that weakens us.
You're right about the creator bit but wrong to assume they meant a particular God. Those tricky bastards, always playing around with language.But, the very core of what our country was founded on comes fromt he belief that our RIGHTS are bestowed from a higher power, and not any individual, group, or governnment entity. If you start to say that individual rights stem from any form of human organization or thought, then you are taking out the very heart of what this country was founded on, and you're heading down a very dangerous road. This country was founded on the rights of the individual, period.
wrong.
this country was founded to escape religious persecution.
all that god crap came later...god in the oath, god in the pledge all later.
do some research.
No, you're wrong. Yes, the US was developed as a country where religious freedom was guaranteed, without a doubt, regardless of who you were...
And the people who want that the most are those who have been persecuted,and therefore are religious themselves.
THe founding fathers believed that rights were bestowed by God.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed BY THEIR CREATOR with certain inalienable Rights...."
Gosh, that reference to the "Creator" is right there in the Declaration of Independence.
it's the inability for so many people to listen and work together with those who disagree that weakens us.
did you miss the part about it being A WAR?
Please do not like that oft used opinion piece as any proof as to the religions held by the founding fathers....Did the founding fathers want to ensure that there was not a state religion or similar freedom of and from forced specific religion in government? Yes... but this oft used piece of shit page jumps around like a cat on a wet floor with a mild electric short on it
isn't the question were the founding father trying to build a CHRISTIAN nation?
and the answer is clearly no.
You're right about the creator bit but wrong to assume they meant a particular God. Those tricky bastards, always playing around with language.wrong.
this country was founded to escape religious persecution.
all that god crap came later...god in the oath, god in the pledge all later.
do some research.
No, you're wrong. Yes, the US was developed as a country where religious freedom was guaranteed, without a doubt, regardless of who you were...
And the people who want that the most are those who have been persecuted,and therefore are religious themselves.
THe founding fathers believed that rights were bestowed by God.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed BY THEIR CREATOR with certain inalienable Rights...."
Gosh, that reference to the "Creator" is right there in the Declaration of Independence.
Where do you believe your rights extend from? The government?
they don't come from the christian god that's for sure.
Where do they come from then? You're trying to turn this into a religious discussion when what I said has nothing to do with religion, but has everything to do with limiting the power of the federal government. You just don't get it apparently. I don't care what religion you are or what your beliefs are, but as soon as you determine that man or an organization of man has power over your individual rights, you have given up all of your power to that organization. The point of the founding fathers stating that rights are endowed by man's creator was to protect those rights from being changed or taken away by man or any of his institutions, it has nothing to do with religion.
Where do they come from then?
There will always be a small minority who dont want the country to come together.
Many of these people answering this thread daily told us to "stop whining" when we questioned the government of Bush.
They now question everything the president does. Fine with me. They will hate him no matter what he does. When his policies succeed they will hate him more. They also loved Bush the more he divided the country. They dont want a united states, they want a divided states.
Some people cant get along with anyone who doesnt agree with them wether they are wrong or right.
They want it THEIR way even when their way distroys anything of value.
Not all people are rational.
Where do they come from then?
seriously?
us?
it's pretty fricking obvious to me.
shit you think George washington could have just sat back and god would taken care of it.
the fxcking german? the japs?
shxt we the people.
that's were our rights come from.
hello.
isn't part of it too that the prior to the u.s. kings claimed to derive their power directly from the almighty.
The founders simply took smaller step of saying the people rights come directly from the God.
Which going back to Newby's original statement I'll admit is on the face of it correct.
It's just that I don't think it was as much to we get our rights from God as some original idea, but rather simply to say we don't need a king
There will always be a small minority who dont want the country to come together.
Many of these people answering this thread daily told us to "stop whining" when we questioned the government of Bush.
They now question everything the president does. Fine with me. They will hate him no matter what he does. When his policies succeed they will hate him more. They also loved Bush the more he divided the country. They dont want a united states, they want a divided states.
Some people cant get along with anyone who doesnt agree with them wether they are wrong or right.
They want it THEIR way even when their way distroys anything of value.
Not all people are rational.
It's interesting how few people are actually interested in pulling together to tackle the big jobs--the economy--healthcare--the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan--international relations--immigration--terrorism--education.
They just want to bicker about abortion and gay rights and what if any holiday greetings to say.
You simply are not comprehending what I am saying, so we'll just call it quits I think.