The End of the Culture War

[DiamondDave]

Great discusssion on NPR. The gist of it is that President Obama wants to take the country toward what unifies us, rather than the politics of individuality.

I'll see if I can find a link to the article. Here it is:

The End of the Culture Wars - The Daily Beast

Oh great

Yeah... individualism and the right of the individual means nothing in the face of collectivism...

You will be assimilated

 

[Skull Pilot]

resistance is futile

 

[editec]

But on culture? Here Obama goes mute. When was the last time you heard him speak unprompted about abortion or gay rights or gun control?

Praise Je-Zeus...finally a DEMOCRAT who got it!

I'd been calling for the Dems to ignore this tripe for a mighty long time. I did it here and I did it for years on the cybersoapbox, too

This nation has been torn asunder by those three issues which are, in the greater scheme of things nationally, bearly important to most sane Americans

We have always had bigger fish to fry than those minnows, but with so many idiots focused on these issues we weren't paying attention while the masters were systematically draining the treasury.

And that is EXACTLY why those issues were brought to the fore, too -- misdirection.

 

[Sky Dancer]

But on culture? Here Obama goes mute. When was the last time you heard him speak unprompted about abortion or gay rights or gun control?

Praise Je-Zeus...finally a DEMOCRAT who got it!

I'd been calling for the Dems to ignore this tripe for a mighty long time. I did it here and I did it for years on the cybersoapbox, too

This nation has been torn asunder by those three issues which are, in the greater scheme of things nationally, bearly important to most sane Americans

We have always had bigger fish to fry than those minnows, but with so many idiots focused on these issues we weren't paying attention while the masters were systematically draining the treasury.

And that is EXACTLY why those issues were brought to the fore, too -- misdirection.

I'm proud of Obama for taking this course of action.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Great discusssion on NPR. The gist of it is that President Obama wants to take the country toward what unifies us, rather than the politics of individuality.

I'll see if I can find a link to the article. Here it is:

The End of the Culture Wars - The Daily Beast

There will NEVER be an end to the culture war. Not in THIS Nation. There are several divides that xist that it does not behoove one or both or more sides to bridge, and someone's political rhetoric sure isn't going to do it.

Figures some unrealistic junk like this would come from NPR.

Never ? Nonsense. Your cynicism is just that. Cynicism and negativity. If you're that depressed try medication.

There are plenty of culture war issues that we can compromise on and get back to what's really important that we all have stake in. Frankly, we can ignore the culture war issues for four years and really make some headway on what's really important. The economy, healthcare, diplomatic relations, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and a plan to contain and end terrorism.

Roll up the collective sleeves and get to work.

I don't think the founders intended our country to run on the politics of individualism. What is the collective good we can all get behind?

Who really gives a shit about whether gays get married or have civil unions as long as the rights and responsibilites are equal.

As to abortion? Let's focus on making sure there are less of them. We can all agree on that goal. Abortion decisions are personal tragedies.
Let's make sure there are less abortions.

Let's put some pizzazz back into education--particularly in the sciences.

Let's save our environment for our children and grandchildren.

Cynics--get out of the way of the rest of us who want to see the country move forward into health, peace and prosperity.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Ravioli--

There will always be die hard haters that want to keep the game going. President Obama isn't going to give them the time of day, and I don't think we should either.

The die hard haters are the people currently in charge.

You call yourself a patriot? Try getting off your duff and doing something to help.

Culture wars do end. In the 1920s, immigration, Darwinism, and the Ku Klux Klan dominated political debate, but in the 1930s, they receded as Washington turned its attention to the Depression and the specter of war. It is no surprise that the end of the last culture war coincided with a shift from conservative to liberal dominance. If Obama can end this one, liberals may be in power for a very long time.

 

[AllieBaba]

Obama's just making communism palatable for the masses.

Essentially what he's saying is individuality is bad, we should all be the same.

Screw that. This was America last I heard.

 

[Sky Dancer]

"Obama promises to do much better by infusing his rhetoric (and this aspect of the culture war is largely about rhetoric) with a more genuinely civic form of religiosity. That means fewer scriptural references, less emphasis on the divisive sexual teachings associated with traditionalist religious groups, a greater effort to highlight moral commonalities and downplay disagreements, and a commitment not to insist on the theological basis of the nation's principles (that is, the president should talk about liberty and equality, but he should let Americans decide for themselves whether our rights are founded in nature or reason or faith -- and if faith, which faith). In short, no more talk about a chasm separating a "culture of life" and a "culture of death" that just so happens to align with the country's two major political parties. Obama's already shown himself to be a master of speaking the language of civic inclusivity, and I suspect this talent will help him over the coming years to de-radicalize not-insignificant numbers of culture warriors."

How to End the Culture War - Damon Linker

 

[DiamondDave]

The collective good we can all get behind?

The collective good is the individual freedoms we are afforded by living in this country... THAT is what the founding fathers intended for this country to run on... not some fucking bee hive collective

 

[Sky Dancer]

Obama's just making communism palatable for the masses.

Essentially what he's saying is individuality is bad, we should all be the same.
Screw that. This was America last I heard.

Isn't that what the culture war is about? We should all be the same?

Isn't that what YOU want? Everyone taking your way or the highway?

 

[Sky Dancer]

The collective good we can all get behind?

The collective good is the individual freedoms we are afforded by living in this country... THAT is what the founding fathers intended for this country to run on... not some fucking bee hive collective

Diehard culture warrior fine. Knock yourself out.

Most Americans want to see us move the economy long. We want to restore our respect and power in the world and see solutions to real problems.

If you'd rather picket gay night clubs have fun with that.

 

[DiamondDave]

The collective good we can all get behind?

The collective good is the individual freedoms we are afforded by living in this country... THAT is what the founding fathers intended for this country to run on... not some fucking bee hive collective

Diehard culture warrior fine. Knock lyourself out.

Most Americans want to see us move the economy long. We want to restore our respect and power in the world and see solutions to real problems.

If you'd rather picket gay night clubs have fun with that.

If you want to picket them.. if you want to go to them.. or you want to ignore them... it is your FREEDOM and CHOICE to do so..

Again.. the founding fathers did not intend for this to be a collectivism haven or fucking bee hive mentality nation... it was a country set up on the preservation of individual freedoms which we defend above all things

 

[Zoom-boing]

Obama's just making communism palatable for the masses.

Essentially what he's saying is individuality is bad, we should all be the same.
Screw that. This was America last I heard.

Isn't that what the culture war is about? We should all be the same?

Isn't that what YOU want? Everyone taking your way or the highway?

Obama's equality is the socialist's view of equality. Government will take care of you, cradle to grave; the 'common good' outweighs any 'individual' good. Obama subscribes to the Saul Alinsky (Rules for Radicals) 'world as it should be' POV. Why just today I read that he wants to put pay caps on executives of the bailout. It's nothing more than government butting it's nose in where it doesn't belong and taking control of what they should not even be involved in in the first place.

 

[Newby]

"Obama promises to do much better by infusing his rhetoric (and this aspect of the culture war is largely about rhetoric) with a more genuinely civic form of religiosity. That means fewer scriptural references, less emphasis on the divisive sexual teachings associated with traditionalist religious groups, a greater effort to highlight moral commonalities and downplay disagreements, and a commitment not to insist on the theological basis of the nation's principles (that is, the president should talk about liberty and equality, but he should let Americans decide for themselves whether our rights are founded in nature or reason or faith -- and if faith, which faith). In short, no more talk about a chasm separating a "culture of life" and a "culture of death" that just so happens to align with the country's two major political parties. Obama's already shown himself to be a master of speaking the language of civic inclusivity, and I suspect this talent will help him over the coming years to de-radicalize not-insignificant numbers of culture warriors."

But, the very core of what our country was founded on comes fromt he belief that our RIGHTS are bestowed from a higher power, and not any individual, group, or governnment entity. If you start to say that individual rights stem from any form of human organization or thought, then you are taking out the very heart of what this country was founded on, and you're heading down a very dangerous road. This country was founded on the rights of the individual, period.

 

[AllieBaba]

Obama's just making communism palatable for the masses.

Essentially what he's saying is individuality is bad, we should all be the same.
Screw that. This was America last I heard.

Isn't that what the culture war is about? We should all be the same?

Isn't that what YOU want? Everyone taking your way or the highway?

No, you commie toad. What I'm saying is that we have the right to individuality. In other words, pretty much the opposite of what you just said.

What YOU are saying is that it should be your way or the highway.

I know it's confusing. When one lies all the time, one gets caught up in it, doesn't one?

 

[Truthmatters]

There will always be a small minority who dont want the country to come together.

Many of these people answering this thread daily told us to "stop whining" when we questioned the government of Bush.

They now question everything the president does. Fine with me. They will hate him no matter what he does. When his policies succeed they will hate him more. They also loved Bush the more he divided the country. They dont want a united states, they want a divided states.


Some people cant get along with anyone who doesnt agree with them wether they are wrong or right.
They want it THEIR way even when their way distroys anything of value.

Not all people are rational.

 

[AllieBaba]

Look around you. It's not a "small minority" who disagree with you. It's a vociferous majority.

We are not a communist country, and never will be. Give it fucking up.

 

[Truthmatters]

No one I know wants a communist country.

You are creating a straw man to flail at.

You can say it a million times and its still a lie.


You and your policies are what gave this country the mess its in.

Why would anyone think you have any answers that can help this country.

You are in a tiny minority whether you are aware of it or not.

 

[Newby]

Not all people are rational.

From my brief period here, you would seem to be one of the biggest offenders.

 

[Truthmatters]

Because you are irrational



http://www.usmessageboard.com/curre...weeks-things-you-didnt-hear-in-the-press.html


You post clap trap like this.

The main stream is the people who elected Obama and the dems, yet somehow in your mind the mainstream is the R who held onto their seats because they live in R entrenched districts.

The fact that Obama won the election on the back of his policy ideas just goes right over your head and you try to pretend the mainstream is you.

very irrational thinking.