The End of the Culture War

[AllieBaba]

Next to Jalu, of course.

You guys want a bee hive, move to China.

 

[DiamondDave]

Not all people are rational.

From my brief period here, you would seem to be one of the biggest offenders.

Did not take you long.... congrats on the realization of one of our chief, partisan, trolling assclowns

 

[Truthmatters]

More namecalling devoid of facts.

You people just want to prove me right about your irrational faction of the American public huh?

 

[AllieBaba]

The facts are in the article.

You can tell there are facts you want disregarded, because of the way you're pretending they aren't there. When a liberal calls for "facts" assume the point has already been proven.

 

[Truthmatters]

The facts are in the article.

You can tell there are facts you want disregarded, because of the way you're pretending they aren't there. When a liberal calls for "facts" assume the point has already been proven.

What article?

 

[doeton]

But, the very core of what our country was founded on comes fromt he belief that our RIGHTS are bestowed from a higher power, and not any individual, group, or governnment entity. If you start to say that individual rights stem from any form of human organization or thought, then you are taking out the very heart of what this country was founded on, and you're heading down a very dangerous road. This country was founded on the rights of the individual, period.

wrong.

this country was founded to escape religious persecution.



all that god crap came later...god in the oath, god in the pledge all later.

do some research.

 

[AllieBaba]

But, the very core of what our country was founded on comes fromt he belief that our RIGHTS are bestowed from a higher power, and not any individual, group, or governnment entity. If you start to say that individual rights stem from any form of human organization or thought, then you are taking out the very heart of what this country was founded on, and you're heading down a very dangerous road. This country was founded on the rights of the individual, period.

wrong.

this country was founded to escape religious persecution.



all that god crap came later...god in the oath, god in the pledge all later.

do some research.

No, you're wrong. Yes, the US was developed as a country where religious freedom was guaranteed, without a doubt, regardless of who you were...

And the people who want that the most are those who have been persecuted,and therefore are religious themselves.

THe founding fathers believed that rights were bestowed by God.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed BY THEIR CREATOR with certain inalienable Rights...."

Gosh, that reference to the "Creator" is right there in the Declaration of Independence.

 

[doeton]

more to the point.

if i get what the Great OHB is saying it's simply He is not going to waste his time with these little wedge issues.

He's moving on.

that doesn't mean the god fearing gun toting, alien fearing, flag waving have to stop doing their thing.

it's just you've been marginalized.

 

[AllieBaba]

You're just a small brained thing, aren't you?

 

[doeton]

"The 1796 treaty with Tripoli states that the United States was "in no sense founded on the Christian religion" (see below). This was not an idle statement, meant to satisfy muslims-- they believed it and meant it. This treaty was written under the presidency of George Washington and signed under the presidency of John Adams."

ouch huh?

 

[DiamondDave]

But, the very core of what our country was founded on comes fromt he belief that our RIGHTS are bestowed from a higher power, and not any individual, group, or governnment entity. If you start to say that individual rights stem from any form of human organization or thought, then you are taking out the very heart of what this country was founded on, and you're heading down a very dangerous road. This country was founded on the rights of the individual, period.

wrong.

this country was founded to escape religious persecution.



all that god crap came later...god in the oath, god in the pledge all later.

do some research.

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG

Why not do some research yourself

We has SOME settlers coming to the colonies using the 'new world' as a place that they hoped to have religious freedom from persecution.. the INDIVIDUAL RIGHT of religious freedom.... the Country of the United States was not founded on religious freedom, but the concept of having a free country where the core revolved around ensuring the individual freedoms of all

 

[doeton]

The "no religious test" clause of the United States Constitution is found in Article VI, section 3, and states that:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

This has been interpreted to mean that no federal employee, whether elected or appointed, "career" or "political," can be required to adhere to or accept any religion or belief. This clause immediately follows one requiring all federal and state officers to take an oath or affirmation of support to the Constitution. This implies that the requirement of an oath, even presumably one taken "So help me God" (not a part of the presidential oath, the only one spelled out in the Constitution, but traditionally almost always added to it), does not imply any requirement by those so sworn to accept a particular religion or a particular doctrine. Note that the option of giving an affirmation can be interpreted as not requiring any metaphysical belief.

The clause is cited by advocates of separation of church and state as an example of "original intent" of the Framers of the Constitution of avoiding any entanglement between church and state, or involving the government in any way as a determiner of religious beliefs or practices. This is important as this clause represents the words of the original Framers, even prior to the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

No religious test clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[doeton]

the concept of having a free country where the core revolved around ensuring the individual freedoms of all

sure. i agree with that.

 

[doeton]

Our Founding Fathers Were Not Christians

 

[AllieBaba]

"The 1796 treaty with Tripoli states that the United States was "in no sense founded on the Christian religion" (see below). This was not an idle statement, meant to satisfy muslims-- they believed it and meant it. This treaty was written under the presidency of George Washington and signed under the presidency of John Adams."

ouch huh?

No. The ouch goes to you, moron, for saying "God" came into the development of our country after it was already in existence, which was easily put to the lie with one quick look at the Declaration.

The fact that there's no reference to our Christianity or our God in a TREATY WITH FUCKING TRIPOLI does not support your initial inanity, and in fact quite disproves your (ridiculous) commentary. The fact that our founding fathers refer to God in the Declaration, but omit him (if it is true..I haven't read the entire thing, nothing is assumed) in a treaty with a Muslim country more than adequately proves they included references to God intentionally, and that they believed in God.

 

[DiamondDave]

Our Founding Fathers Were Not Christians

Please do not like that oft used opinion piece as any proof as to the religions held by the founding fathers....

Did the founding fathers want to ensure that there was not a state religion or similar freedom of and from forced specific religion in government? Yes... but this oft used piece of shit page jumps around like a cat on a wet floor with a mild electric short on it

 

[Newby]

The "no religious test" clause of the United States Constitution is found in Article VI, section 3, and states that:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

This has been interpreted to mean that no federal employee, whether elected or appointed, "career" or "political," can be required to adhere to or accept any religion or belief. This clause immediately follows one requiring all federal and state officers to take an oath or affirmation of support to the Constitution. This implies that the requirement of an oath, even presumably one taken "So help me God" (not a part of the presidential oath, the only one spelled out in the Constitution, but traditionally almost always added to it), does not imply any requirement by those so sworn to accept a particular religion or a particular doctrine. Note that the option of giving an affirmation can be interpreted as not requiring any metaphysical belief.

The clause is cited by advocates of separation of church and state as an example of "original intent" of the Framers of the Constitution of avoiding any entanglement between church and state, or involving the government in any way as a determiner of religious beliefs or practices. This is important as this clause represents the words of the original Framers, even prior to the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

No religious test clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Where do you believe your rights extend from? The government?

 

[doeton]

Where do you believe your rights extend from? The government?

they don't come from the christian god that's for sure.

 

[doeton]

Our Founding Fathers Were Not Christians

Please do not like that oft used opinion piece as any proof as to the religions held by the founding fathers....Did the founding fathers want to ensure that there was not a state religion or similar freedom of and from forced specific religion in government? Yes... but this oft used piece of shit page jumps around like a cat on a wet floor with a mild electric short on it

isn't the question were the founding father trying to build a CHRISTIAN nation?

and the answer is clearly no.

 

[AllieBaba]

Our Founding Fathers Were Not Christians

Please do not like that oft used opinion piece as any proof as to the religions held by the founding fathers....

Did the founding fathers want to ensure that there was not a state religion or similar freedom of and from forced specific religion in government? Yes... but this oft used piece of shit page jumps around like a cat on a wet floor with a mild electric short on it

A strange link to a weird little scrap...

I knew the link was crap, but I had no idea exactly how big a turd.

I can't believe I wasted time addressing it as if it meant something.