The definitive documents of the 1948 war

[Toddsterpatriot]

Today is just like 1948. What Obama Can Learn From Truman | The New Republic

Remember they thought Dewey Beat Truman? They even printed papers saying so?

Harry Truman’s campaign for reelection in 1948—successful, despite a poor economic climate, and a polarized electorate—offers a promising path for Obama’s reelection.

Plenty of parallels. Most prominently, both were hampered by crippling midterm elections, fueled largely by anger about the poor state of the economy, which produced sweeping and across-the-board loss of seats for their party in Congress.

The Congress of 1947 and 1948 record on domestic policy was like today. “they veered so sharply to the right that they alienated one segment of the electorate after another. Pushing the anti-union Taft-Hartley legislation over Truman’s veto, they drove a labor movement furious with Truman back into the president’s arms.

In what will no doubt sound familiar to watchers of the current Congress, the sweeping GOP victories in 1946 convinced many Republicans that they had achieved a lasting ideological victory—that the American public had finished with the liberalism and embraced their brand of conservatism. They were wrong. Voters had reacted to short-term economic conditions, and to a post-war mood for change, but not for a new right-wing ideology.

Truman seized upon the conservative over-reaching and openly fought against what he dubbed the “Do-Nothing Eightieth Congress.” That rhetorical strategy paid dividends.

Not only was Truman reelected, Democrats picked up nine seats in the Senate and a full 75 in the House to recapture both bodies. “The luckiest thing that ever happened to me,” Truman remarked years later, “was the Eightieth Congress.”

Barack Obama ought to be able to leverage his own recalcitrant Congress for political gain. The sitting 112th Congress, like Truman’s 80th, is dominated by a Republican House that believes that its sweeping victory reflected a huge public mandate to dismantle government as we know it. They are wrong again.

Problems with your "promising path".
Dems hold the Senate.
Economic growth sucks.
There are still fewer employed than when Obama took office.
The deficit is $4.7 trillion higher, 3 years after he took office.
Obamacare is less popular than ever.

 

[sealybobo]

Today is just like 1948. What Obama Can Learn From Truman | The New Republic

Remember they thought Dewey Beat Truman? They even printed papers saying so?

Harry Truman’s campaign for reelection in 1948—successful, despite a poor economic climate, and a polarized electorate—offers a promising path for Obama’s reelection.

Plenty of parallels. Most prominently, both were hampered by crippling midterm elections, fueled largely by anger about the poor state of the economy, which produced sweeping and across-the-board loss of seats for their party in Congress.

The Congress of 1947 and 1948 record on domestic policy was like today. “they veered so sharply to the right that they alienated one segment of the electorate after another. Pushing the anti-union Taft-Hartley legislation over Truman’s veto, they drove a labor movement furious with Truman back into the president’s arms.

In what will no doubt sound familiar to watchers of the current Congress, the sweeping GOP victories in 1946 convinced many Republicans that they had achieved a lasting ideological victory—that the American public had finished with the liberalism and embraced their brand of conservatism. They were wrong. Voters had reacted to short-term economic conditions, and to a post-war mood for change, but not for a new right-wing ideology.

Truman seized upon the conservative over-reaching and openly fought against what he dubbed the “Do-Nothing Eightieth Congress.” That rhetorical strategy paid dividends.

Not only was Truman reelected, Democrats picked up nine seats in the Senate and a full 75 in the House to recapture both bodies. “The luckiest thing that ever happened to me,” Truman remarked years later, “was the Eightieth Congress.”

Barack Obama ought to be able to leverage his own recalcitrant Congress for political gain. The sitting 112th Congress, like Truman’s 80th, is dominated by a Republican House that believes that its sweeping victory reflected a huge public mandate to dismantle government as we know it. They are wrong again.

Problems with your "promising path".
Dems hold the Senate.
Economic growth sucks.
There are still fewer employed than when Obama took office.
The deficit is $4.7 trillion higher, 3 years after he took office.
Obamacare is less popular than ever.

Sorry things are EXACTLY the same. Pretty damn close if you ask me.

And we will keep control of the Senate too.

Bush was bleeding 7 million jobs. Obama adding 300,000 a month. Not good enough for you? You know nothing will be good enough for you. Check recent surveys. I'd rather be holding Obama's cards right now than Mitts.

Encumbant
Ended the Iraq and Afgan occupations
Got Bin Ladin
Economy going in the right direction finally

On day one of Obama's admin you guys couldn't wait to saddle him with Bush's mess, including the debt. Survey says most people still blame Bush and the GOP for that. And they are right. You know it. Or do you still say it was fanny mae that brought down the global economy. LOL.

PS. Romney invented Obamacare. There will not be a big turnout for him because evangelicals hate Romney. Why do you think he lost to McCain? Now you think he will beat Obama? HA! OK.

 

[sealybobo]

The GOP attacked unions in Wisconsin, now Walker's getting recalled. You think those people are going to vote with Mitt? Mitt agreed with Walker.

70% of voters in Ohio said not to end collective bargaining for union workers, Romney said he agreed that it should be taken away. How's he gonna win Ohio?

And Romney said he would have let GM and Chrysler go bankrupt. You think he'll win Michigan?

Pushing the anti-union Taft-Hartley legislation over Truman’s veto, they drove a labor movement furious with Truman back into the president’s arms.

Yea, nothing like today. LOL.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Today is just like 1948. What Obama Can Learn From Truman | The New Republic

Remember they thought Dewey Beat Truman? They even printed papers saying so?

Harry Truman’s campaign for reelection in 1948—successful, despite a poor economic climate, and a polarized electorate—offers a promising path for Obama’s reelection.

Plenty of parallels. Most prominently, both were hampered by crippling midterm elections, fueled largely by anger about the poor state of the economy, which produced sweeping and across-the-board loss of seats for their party in Congress.

The Congress of 1947 and 1948 record on domestic policy was like today. “they veered so sharply to the right that they alienated one segment of the electorate after another. Pushing the anti-union Taft-Hartley legislation over Truman’s veto, they drove a labor movement furious with Truman back into the president’s arms.

In what will no doubt sound familiar to watchers of the current Congress, the sweeping GOP victories in 1946 convinced many Republicans that they had achieved a lasting ideological victory—that the American public had finished with the liberalism and embraced their brand of conservatism. They were wrong. Voters had reacted to short-term economic conditions, and to a post-war mood for change, but not for a new right-wing ideology.

Truman seized upon the conservative over-reaching and openly fought against what he dubbed the “Do-Nothing Eightieth Congress.” That rhetorical strategy paid dividends.

Not only was Truman reelected, Democrats picked up nine seats in the Senate and a full 75 in the House to recapture both bodies. “The luckiest thing that ever happened to me,” Truman remarked years later, “was the Eightieth Congress.”

Barack Obama ought to be able to leverage his own recalcitrant Congress for political gain. The sitting 112th Congress, like Truman’s 80th, is dominated by a Republican House that believes that its sweeping victory reflected a huge public mandate to dismantle government as we know it. They are wrong again.

Problems with your "promising path".
Dems hold the Senate.
Economic growth sucks.
There are still fewer employed than when Obama took office.
The deficit is $4.7 trillion higher, 3 years after he took office.
Obamacare is less popular than ever.

Sorry things are EXACTLY the same. Pretty damn close if you ask me.

And we will keep control of the Senate too.

Bush was bleeding 7 million jobs. Obama adding 300,000 a month. Not good enough for you? You know nothing will be good enough for you. Check recent surveys. I'd rather be holding Obama's cards right now than Mitts.

Encumbant
Ended the Iraq and Afgan occupations
Got Bin Ladin
Economy going in the right direction finally

On day one of Obama's admin you guys couldn't wait to saddle him with Bush's mess, including the debt. Survey says most people still blame Bush and the GOP for that. And they are right. You know it. Or do you still say it was fanny mae that brought down the global economy. LOL.

PS. Romney invented Obamacare. There will not be a big turnout for him because evangelicals hate Romney. Why do you think he lost to McCain? Now you think he will beat Obama? HA! OK.

Added 300,000 jobs a month? When?
As far as the economy going in the right direction, GHW Bush had real economic growth before the election and he lost. His was much higher than Obama's.
Obama can't get idiots to vote for him by saying, "Hope and Change", he actually has a (shitty) record to defend.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestine border mentioned 4 times.
Israel 0

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

Palestine border mentioned 1
Israel 0

The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949

Palestine border mentioned 2
Israel 0

The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

Palestine border mentioned 1
Israel 0

The Avalon Project : Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949

 

[P F Tinmore]

The issues are not small. Abbas wants to enshrine the 1967 boundary as sacrosanct, even though that line was merely a military demarcation after the war that ended in 1949 and had never been recognized by the Palestinians or anyone else as a legal border.

The Mideast Peace Deal You Haven't Heard About :: Middle East Forum

 

[docmauser1]

Palestine border mentioned 4 times.
Israel 0 The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949, etc..

Cool, so, who signed them documents?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestine border mentioned 4 times.
Israel 0 The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949, etc..

Cool, so, who signed them documents?

The Israeli government a foreign military force occupying Palestine.

 

[docmauser1]

Palestine border mentioned 4 times.
Israel 0 The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949, etc..

Cool, so, who signed them documents?

The Israeli government a foreign military force occupying Palestine.

So, who was that sheikh, emir, sultan, shakh, efendi, president, prime-minister of that "palestine"?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Cool, so, who signed them documents?

The Israeli government a foreign military force occupying Palestine.

So, who was that sheikh, emir, sultan, shakh, efendi, president, prime-minister of that "palestine"?

The people are sovereign not a government.

 

[docmauser1]

The Israeli government a foreign military force occupying Palestine.

So, who was that sheikh, emir, sultan, shakh, efendi, president, prime-minister of that "palestine"?

The people are sovereign not a government.

Oh! Then jews are the sovereign of all the real estate! Cool.

 

[P F Tinmore]

So, who was that sheikh, emir, sultan, shakh, efendi, president, prime-minister of that "palestine"?

The people are sovereign not a government.

Oh! Then jews are the sovereign of all the real estate! Cool.

The Palestinians have the right to self determination in Palestine.

Foreigners have no such right.

 

[docmauser1]

The people are sovereign not a government.

Oh! Then jews are the sovereign of all the real estate! Cool.

The Palestinians have the right to self determination in Palestine. Foreigners have no such right.

That is why "palestinians" "have no such right", of course.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Oh! Then jews are the sovereign of all the real estate! Cool.

The Palestinians have the right to self determination in Palestine. Foreigners have no such right.

That is why "palestinians" "have no such right", of course.

Of the 37 people who signed Israel's declaration of independence only one was born in Palestine and he was the son of immigrants.

The Zionists imported settlers by the boatload to populate its planned state.

I think it is obvious who were the foreigners.

 

[JStone]

Tashbih Sayyed, Muslim Pakistani Scholar, Journalist, Author and Former Editor in Chief of Our Times, Pakistan Today, and The Muslim World Today

Blinded by their anti-Semitism, Arabs ignore the fact that neither are they an indigenous group nor is the Jewish nationhood a new phenomenon in Palestine; the Jewish nation was born during 40 years of wandering in the Sinai more than five thousand years ago and has remained connected with Palestine ever since. “Even after the destruction of the last Jewish commonwealth in the first century, the Jewish people maintained their own autonomous political and legal institutions: the Davidic dynasty was preserved in Baghdad until the thirteenth century through the rule of the Exilarch (Resh Galuta), while the return to Zion was incorporated into the most widely practiced Jewish traditions, including the end of the Yom Kippur service and the Passover Seder, as well as in everyday prayers. Thus, Jewish historic rights were kept alive in Jewish historical consciousness.

It is a matter of record that the Arabs owe their presence in Palestine to the Ottomans who settled Muslim populations as a buffer against Bedouin attacks and Ibrahim Pasha, the Egyptian ruler who brought Egyptian colonists with his army in the 1830s. And during all those times when Arabs lived under the Ottoman rule, they never showed any desire for national independence.

Jerusalem has always remained a Jewish majority – a symbol of Jewish yearning to be an independent nation as they thrived in communities in many of Palestine’s towns. “By 1864, a clear-cut Jewish majority emerged in Jerusalem - more than half a century before the arrival of the British Empire and the League of Nations Mandate. During the years that the Jewish presence in Eretz Israel was restored, a huge Arab population influx transpired as Arab immigrants sought to take advantage of higher wages and economic opportunities that resulted from Jewish settlement in the land. President Roosevelt concluded in 1939 that "Arab immigration into Palestine since 1921 has vastly exceeded the total Jewish immigration during the whole period."

The present Arab declaration challenging the Jewish character of Israel cannot be ignored because it is not just an expression of dissatisfaction by a minority about their socio-economic situation but a reminder that Islamist radicalism and fundamentalism has now decided to challenge openly the legitimacy of the Jewish state.
Global Politician - Israel?s Arab Citizens And The Jewish State

PBS: Civilization and the Jews

The interaction of Jewish history and Western civilization successively assumed different forms. In the Biblical and Ancient periods, Israel was an integral part of the Near Eastern and classical world, which gave birth to Western civilization. It shared the traditions of ancient Mesopotamia and the rest of that world with regard to it’s own beginning; it benefited from the decline of Egypt and the other great Near Eastern empires to emerge as a nation in it’s own right; it asserted it’s claim to the divinely promised Land of Israel
PBS - Heritage

Harvard Semitic Museum: The Houses of Ancient Israel The Houses of Ancient Israel § Semitic Museum

In archaeological terms The Houses of Ancient Israel: Domestic, Royal, Divine focuses on the Iron Age (1200-586 B.C.E.). Iron I (1200-1000 B.C.E.) represents the premonarchical period. Iron II (1000-586 B.C.E.) was the time of kings. Uniting the tribal coalitions of Israel and Judah in the tenth century B.C.E., David and Solomon ruled over an expanding realm. After Solomon's death (c. 930 B.C.E.) Israel and Judah separated into two kingdoms.
Israel was led at times by strong kings, Omri and Ahab in the ninth century B.C.E. and Jereboam II in the eighth.

Harvard Gazette: Jerusalem during the reign of King Hezekiah

Harvard University Semitic Museum: Jerusalem During The Reign Of King Hezekiah--New Exhibition At The Semitic Museum Re-Creates Numerous Aspects Of Ancient Israel

The Semitic Museum has installed a new exhibition that brings the world of biblical Israel into vivid, three-dimensional reality. "The Houses of Ancient Israel: Domestic, Royal, Divine" immerses the viewer in Israelite daily life around the time of King Hezekiah (8th century B.C.), creating an experiential environment based on the latest archaeological, textual, and historical research.
The centerpiece of the exhibition is a full-scale Israelite house, open on one side, filled with authentic ancient artifacts that show how life was lived by common inhabitants of ancient Jerusalem. Agricultural tools, a cooking area, and a stall occupied by a single, scruffy ram fill the ground floor of the cube-shaped, mud-brick structure, which, thankfully, is not olfactorily authentic. The upper story, reached by a ladder, is devoted to eating and sleeping.

Yale University Press: The Archaeology of Ancient Israel The Archaeology of Ancient Israel - Ben-Tor, Amnon; Greenberg, R. - Yale University Press

In this lavishly illustrated book some of Israel's foremost archaeologists present a thorough, up-to-date, and readily accessible survey of early life in the land of the Bible, from the Neolithic era (eighth millennium B.C.E.) to the fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the First Temple in 586 B.C.E. It will be a delightful and informative resource for anyone who has ever wanted to know more about the religious, scientific, or historical background of the region.

PBS Nova ...

In the banks of the Nile in southern Egypt in 1896, British archaeologisit Flinders Petrie unearthed one of the most important discoveries in biblical archaeology known as the Merneptah Stele. Merneptah's stele announces the entrance on the world stage of a People named Israel.

The Merneptah Stele is powerful evidence that a People called the Israelites are living in Canaan over 3000 years ago

Dr. Donald Redford, Egyptologist and archaeologist: The Merneptah Stele is priceless evidence for the presence of an ethnical group called Israel in Canaan.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvg2EZAEw5c]1/13 The Bible's Buried Secrets (NOVA PBS) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[JStone]

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

Palestine mentioned 19 times.
A place called Israel - 0

The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949

Palestine mentioned 12 times
A place called Israel - 0

The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

Palestine mentioned 14 times
A place called Israel - 0

The Avalon Project : Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949

Palestine mentioned 13 times.
A place called Israel - 0

Palestine IS Israel. The Romans invented palestine and imposed it on Israel during the Roman Empire. The Western countries merely called Israel "palestine" after the collapse of the ottoman empire.

Biblical Historian and Scholar Dr. Paula Fredriksen, Ph.D, History of Religion, Princeton University, Diploma in Theology, Oxford University

The Judean revolt against Rome was led by [Jewish rebel] Bar Kochba in 132-135 CE. The immediate causes of this rebellion are obscure. Its result was not: [Roman Emperor] Hadrian crushed the revolt and banned Jews from Judea.

The Romans now designated this territory by a political neologism, "Palestine" [a Latin form of "Philistine"], in a deliberate effort to denationalize Jewish/Judean territory. And, finally, Hadrian eradicated Jewish Jerusalem, erecting upon its ruins a new pagan city, Aelia Capitolina.
Random House, Inc. Academic Resources | Augustine and the Jews by Paula Fredriksen

PBS...

The Roman response to the Jewish revolt against Rome was massive. Hadrian's wrath knew no bounds. He even sought to erase the Jewish {People from world memory, changing the name of their country from Judaea to Syria Palaestina.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEuQ4hggc5A]Ancient Refuge in The Holy Land. NOVA 2004 3/6 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Wolverine1984]

The people are sovereign not a government.

Oh! Then jews are the sovereign of all the real estate! Cool.

The Palestinians have the right to self determination in Palestine.

Foreigners have no such right.

I wonder, what do you know about self determination ?
It would see you are not telling the whole story about self determination.

"Self-determination is the principle in international law that nations have the right to freely choose their sovereignty and international political status with no external compulsion or external interference."

Self-determination - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This does not refer to foreigners or natives nor does it refer to a land or state, it speaks about nations.
Every Nation has a right to Self-determination.
If one to consider Palestinians as a nation , they would have the right to Self-determination , but so does the Jewish Nation.

I'm not sure if you knew this and deliberately tried to conceal the truth , or were you simply uneducated and used a term that you do not understand.
Either way , your argument does not hold water...

 

[JStone]

Quote: Originally Posted by P F Tinmore
The Palestinians have the right to self determination in Palestine.

Fakesteenians are merely rebranded Arabs who by definition originated from saudi arabia and other arab shitholes.

There are nearly 30 arab shitholes for fakesteenians to have self-determination.

There is no rule in international law nor in the UN Charter granting fakesteenians self-determination in the form of statehood.

Palestine National Charter

We, the Palestinian Arab people...

Bringing up Palestinian youth in an Arab and nationalist manner is a fundamental national duty

The Palestinian people firmly believe in Arab unity

The destiny of the Arab Nation and even the essence of Arab existence are firmly tied to the destiny of the Palestine question
Permanent Observer Mission of Palestine to the United Nations - Palestine National Charter of 1964

Foremost Middle East Historian Bernard Lewis, author, "the Arabs In History"...

During the first period in Islamic history [622 AD] when Islam was an Arab religion and the Caliphate an Arab Kingdom, the term Arab came to be applied to those who spoke Arabic, were full members by descent of an Arab tribe, and who, either in person or through their ancestors, had originated in Arabia.
Oxford University Press: The Arabs in History: Bernard Lewis

 

[JStone]

I think it is obvious who were the foreigners.

It's obvious Jews established Israel, 3000 years ago, where Jews have lived to today.

Fakestinians are rebranded Arab foreigners from Arabia.

Pulitzer Prize-Winning Writer Charles Krauthammer...

Israel is the very embodiment of Jewish continuity: It is the only nation on earth that inhabits the same land, bears the same name, speaks the same language, and worships the same God that it did 3,000 years ago. You dig the soil and you find pottery from Davidic times, coins from Bar Kokhba, and 2,000-year-old scrolls written in a script remarkably like the one that today advertises ice cream at the corner candy store.

The British Museum: Israelites British Museum - Israelites

The Israelites represent a branch of Canaanite society. During the period that Egypt dominated the land of Canaan (c.1480-1150 BC), disaffected and dispossessed Canaanites, known to the Egyptians as Habiru migrated to the less accessible hill country regions. This Habiru or “Hebrew” population formed the kernel of what was to become historical Israel, and is referred to as such by the pharaoh Merneptah (reigned 1236-1223 BC) on a victory stela now in the Cairo Museum. Following the withdrawal of the Egyptian Empire around 1150 BC, the Israelites were able to extend their territory by gradually and slowly re-integrating with their Canaanite counterparts. This expansion was initially held in check by battles with the Philistines, people of Aegean origin, who had settled on the southern Canaanite coast during the time of Ramses III (1198-1166 BC).

Eventually, however, towards the end of the tenth century BC, the Israelites, established a kingdom with its capital at Samaria. Some time later, in the eighth century BC, as this kingdom weakened under pressure from the advancing Assyrians, a second kingdom of Judah emerged with its capital at Jerusalem.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Oh! Then jews are the sovereign of all the real estate! Cool.

The Palestinians have the right to self determination in Palestine.

Foreigners have no such right.

I wonder, what do you know about self determination ?
It would see you are not telling the whole story about self determination.

"Self-determination is the principle in international law that nations have the right to freely choose their sovereignty and international political status with no external compulsion or external interference."

Self-determination - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This does not refer to foreigners or natives nor does it refer to a land or state, it speaks about nations.
Every Nation has a right to Self-determination.
If one to consider Palestinians as a nation , they would have the right to Self-determination , but so does the Jewish Nation.

I'm not sure if you knew this and deliberately tried to conceal the truth , or were you simply uneducated and used a term that you do not understand.
Either way , your argument does not hold water...

Are you saying that a foreign nation can drive another nation out of their homes at the point of a gun and call it self determination?

You can't be serious.