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The definitive documents of the 1948 war
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Israel continues to deny the Palestinians the right to self-determination by claiming an historical right to Palestine. This claim, however, has no basis in international law.
The Palestinians were not part of another existing sovereign state in 1922 or 1928 or 1948. They are independent indigenous peoples who have lived in Palestine since time immemorial, although they have sometimes been occupied by others.
Before 1928, title to territory could be acquired by the use of force or through conquest. The 1928 Kellogg-Briand Pact, which created key principles of international law, brought about a change whereby the acquisition of territory by force was no longer lawful.
Just a few years before this treaty was adopted, Palestine was part of the Ottoman Empire and then, at the end of World War I, occupied by the British. The British, however, never annexed Palestine nor exercised permanent sovereignty over it. Instead, they agreed to govern Palestine as a temporary mandate. As a consequence, the right to self-determination remained with the indigenous peoples without interruption at the end of World War I and after that transferred to a mandate holder, to be held in trust for the Palestinians and not given away to third parties as it was.
Who inhabited Palestine hundreds or thousands of years ago is irrelevant. What is relevant for international law is the nature of the government just before and just after 1928, and who were the indigenous peoples at this time. It is also relevant to understand whether these peoples ever voluntarily gave up their right to self-determination.
Self-determination: the Palestinian trump card - Opinion - Ahram Online
The Palestinians were not part of another existing sovereign state in 1922 or 1928 or 1948. They are independent indigenous peoples who have lived in Palestine since time immemorial, although they have sometimes been occupied by others.
Before 1928, title to territory could be acquired by the use of force or through conquest. The 1928 Kellogg-Briand Pact, which created key principles of international law, brought about a change whereby the acquisition of territory by force was no longer lawful.
Just a few years before this treaty was adopted, Palestine was part of the Ottoman Empire and then, at the end of World War I, occupied by the British. The British, however, never annexed Palestine nor exercised permanent sovereignty over it. Instead, they agreed to govern Palestine as a temporary mandate. As a consequence, the right to self-determination remained with the indigenous peoples without interruption at the end of World War I and after that transferred to a mandate holder, to be held in trust for the Palestinians and not given away to third parties as it was.
Who inhabited Palestine hundreds or thousands of years ago is irrelevant. What is relevant for international law is the nature of the government just before and just after 1928, and who were the indigenous peoples at this time. It is also relevant to understand whether these peoples ever voluntarily gave up their right to self-determination.
Self-determination: the Palestinian trump card - Opinion - Ahram Online
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Israel continues to deny the Palestinians the right to self-determination by claiming an historical right to Palestine. This claim, however, has no basis in international law.
As Arabs, fakesteenians have nearly 30 Arab shitholes in which to exercise their self-determination. Jews exercise their self-determination in Israel where Jews have lived for 3000 years.
Tashbih Sayyed, Muslim Pakistani Scholar, Journalist, Author and Former Editor in Chief of Our Times, Pakistan Today, and The Muslim World Today
Blinded by their anti-Semitism, Arabs ignore the fact that neither are they an indigenous group nor is the Jewish nationhood a new phenomenon in Palestine; the Jewish nation was born during 40 years of wandering in the Sinai more than five thousand years ago and has remained connected with Palestine ever since. “Even after the destruction of the last Jewish commonwealth in the first century, the Jewish people maintained their own autonomous political and legal institutions: the Davidic dynasty was preserved in Baghdad until the thirteenth century through the rule of the Exilarch (Resh Galuta), while the return to Zion was incorporated into the most widely practiced Jewish traditions, including the end of the Yom Kippur service and the Passover Seder, as well as in everyday prayers. Thus, Jewish historic rights were kept alive in Jewish historical consciousness.
It is a matter of record that the Arabs owe their presence in Palestine to the Ottomans who settled Muslim populations as a buffer against Bedouin attacks and Ibrahim Pasha, the Egyptian ruler who brought Egyptian colonists with his army in the 1830s. And during all those times when Arabs lived under the Ottoman rule, they never showed any desire for national independence.
Jerusalem has always remained a Jewish majority – a symbol of Jewish yearning to be an independent nation as they thrived in communities in many of Palestine’s towns. “By 1864, a clear-cut Jewish majority emerged in Jerusalem - more than half a century before the arrival of the British Empire and the League of Nations Mandate. During the years that the Jewish presence in Eretz Israel was restored, a huge Arab population influx transpired as Arab immigrants sought to take advantage of higher wages and economic opportunities that resulted from Jewish settlement in the land. President Roosevelt concluded in 1939 that "Arab immigration into Palestine since 1921 has vastly exceeded the total Jewish immigration during the whole period."
The present Arab declaration challenging the Jewish character of Israel cannot be ignored because it is not just an expression of dissatisfaction by a minority about their socio-economic situation but a reminder that Islamist radicalism and fundamentalism has now decided to challenge openly the legitimacy of the Jewish state.
Global Politician - Israel?s Arab Citizens And The Jewish State
PBS: Civilization and the Jews
The interaction of Jewish history and Western civilization successively assumed different forms. In the Biblical and Ancient periods, Israel was an integral part of the Near Eastern and classical world, which gave birth to Western civilization. It shared the traditions of ancient Mesopotamia and the rest of that world with regard to it’s own beginning; it benefited from the decline of Egypt and the other great Near Eastern empires to emerge as a nation in it’s own right; it asserted it’s claim to the divinely promised Land of Israel
PBS - Heritage
Harvard University Semitic Museum: The Houses of Ancient Israel The Houses of Ancient Israel § Semitic Museum
In archaeological terms The Houses of Ancient Israel: Domestic, Royal, Divine focuses on the Iron Age (1200-586 B.C.E.). Iron I (1200-1000 B.C.E.) represents the premonarchical period. Iron II (1000-586 B.C.E.) was the time of kings. Uniting the tribal coalitions of Israel and Judah in the tenth century B.C.E., David and Solomon ruled over an expanding realm. After Solomon's death (c. 930 B.C.E.) Israel and Judah separated into two kingdoms.
Israel was led at times by strong kings, Omri and Ahab in the ninth century B.C.E. and Jereboam II in the eighth.
Harvard University Semitic Museum: Jerusalem During The Reign Of King Hezekiah--New Exhibition At The Semitic Museum Re-Creates Numerous Aspects Of Ancient Israel Harvard Gazette: Jerusalem during the reign of King Hezekiah
The Semitic Museum has installed a new exhibition that brings the world of biblical Israel into vivid, three-dimensional reality. "The Houses of Ancient Israel: Domestic, Royal, Divine" immerses the viewer in Israelite daily life around the time of King Hezekiah (8th century B.C.), creating an experiential environment based on the latest archaeological, textual, and historical research.
The centerpiece of the exhibition is a full-scale Israelite house, open on one side, filled with authentic ancient artifacts that show how life was lived by common inhabitants of ancient Jerusalem. Agricultural tools, a cooking area, and a stall occupied by a single, scruffy ram fill the ground floor of the cube-shaped, mud-brick structure, which, thankfully, is not olfactorily authentic. The upper story, reached by a ladder, is devoted to eating and sleeping.
Yale University Press: The Archaeology of Ancient Israel The Archaeology of Ancient Israel - Ben-Tor, Amnon; Greenberg, R. - Yale University Press
In this lavishly illustrated book some of Israel's foremost archaeologists present a thorough, up-to-date, and readily accessible survey of early life in the land of the Bible, from the Neolithic era (eighth millennium B.C.E.) to the fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the First Temple in 586 B.C.E. It will be a delightful and informative resource for anyone who has ever wanted to know more about the religious, scientific, or historical background of the region.
PBS Nova ...
In the banks of the Nile in southern Egypt in 1896, British archaeologisit Flinders Petrie unearthed one of the most important discoveries in biblical archaeology known as the Merneptah Stele. Merneptah's stele announces the entrance on the world stage of a People named Israel.
The Merneptah Stele is powerful evidence that a People called the Israelites are living in Canaan over 3000 years ago
Dr. Donald Redford, Egyptologist and archaeologist: The Merneptah Stele is priceless evidence for the presence of an ethnical group called Israel in Canaan.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvg2EZAEw5c]1/13 The Bible's Buried Secrets (NOVA PBS) - YouTube[/ame]
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In the late 1800s, the Zionist movement was already acting to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine, but it had not yet clearly manifested an intention to act in violation of the rights of the Palestinian people. After World War I, the British occupied Palestine. The British conquerors under General Edmund Henry Allenby could have annexed the territory under existing rules of international law, but they did not.
Even when the British made the Balfour Declaration in 1917 there was no mention of a Jewish state, but rather only vague reference to a “national home for the Jewish people”.
Understood in the context of international law, such a statement must have meant that a “national home for the Jewish people” would only be established in Palestine with the Palestinians’ consent.
Moreover, after a short period of military occupation and administration, the British agreed to administer Palestine as a mandatory power of the “Allied Powers-created” League of Nations. The British were granted the League of Nations Mandate under Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations at a meeting held in San Remo, Italy, on 24 August 1920.
This mandate set the terms, with Britain’s agreement, by which the international community would ensure the fundamental right to self-determination of the Palestinian people. The mandate was authorised by Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations that governed its interpretation and implementation in relation to Palestine. This article made it clear that the mandatory power only held Palestine in trust until its people “are able to stand alone”. It is also stated unequivocally that the “wishes” of the Palestinians must be the “principal consideration in the selection of the Mandatory”.
The ICJ described the League of Nations mandates as “created, in the interests of the inhabitants of the Territory, and of humanity in general, as an international institution with an international object —a sacred trust of civilisation.” The mandate did not, in the words of the World Court, “involve any cession of territory or transfer of sovereignty” and the mandatory power exercised its responsibility “with the object of promoting the well-being and development of the inhabitants”.
Self-determination: the Palestinian trump card - Opinion - Ahram Online
Even when the British made the Balfour Declaration in 1917 there was no mention of a Jewish state, but rather only vague reference to a “national home for the Jewish people”.
Understood in the context of international law, such a statement must have meant that a “national home for the Jewish people” would only be established in Palestine with the Palestinians’ consent.
Moreover, after a short period of military occupation and administration, the British agreed to administer Palestine as a mandatory power of the “Allied Powers-created” League of Nations. The British were granted the League of Nations Mandate under Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations at a meeting held in San Remo, Italy, on 24 August 1920.
This mandate set the terms, with Britain’s agreement, by which the international community would ensure the fundamental right to self-determination of the Palestinian people. The mandate was authorised by Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations that governed its interpretation and implementation in relation to Palestine. This article made it clear that the mandatory power only held Palestine in trust until its people “are able to stand alone”. It is also stated unequivocally that the “wishes” of the Palestinians must be the “principal consideration in the selection of the Mandatory”.
The ICJ described the League of Nations mandates as “created, in the interests of the inhabitants of the Territory, and of humanity in general, as an international institution with an international object —a sacred trust of civilisation.” The mandate did not, in the words of the World Court, “involve any cession of territory or transfer of sovereignty” and the mandatory power exercised its responsibility “with the object of promoting the well-being and development of the inhabitants”.
Self-determination: the Palestinian trump card - Opinion - Ahram Online
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Pulitzer Prize-Winning Writer Charles Krauthammer...
2000 year old Jewish Dead Sea Scrolls
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rYj_0foJYA]The Dead Sea Scrolls Online - YouTube[/ame]
Google...
Israel is the very embodiment of Jewish continuity: It is the only nation on earth that inhabits the same land, bears the same name, speaks the same language, and worships the same God that it did 3,000 years ago. You dig the soil and you find pottery from Davidic times, coins from Bar Kokhba, and 2,000-year-old scrolls written in a script remarkably like the one that today advertises ice cream at the corner candy store.
2000 year old Jewish Dead Sea Scrolls
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rYj_0foJYA]The Dead Sea Scrolls Online - YouTube[/ame]
Google...
It’s taken 24 centuries, the work of archaeologists, scholars and historians, and the advent of the Internet to make the Dead Sea Scrolls accessible to anyone in the world. Today, as the new year approaches on the Hebrew calendar, we’re celebrating the launch of the Dead Sea Scrolls online; a project of The Israel Museum, Jerusalem, powered by Google technology.
Written between the third and first centuries BCE, the Dead Sea Scrolls include the oldest known biblical manuscripts in existence. In 68 BCE, they were hidden in 11 caves in the Judean desert on the shores of the Dead Sea to protect them from the approaching Roman armies. Since 1965, the scrolls have been on exhibit at the Shrine of the Book at The Israel Museum, Jerusalem. Among other topics, the scrolls offer critical insights into life and religion in ancient Jerusalem, including the birth of Christianity
Now, anyone around the world can view, read and interact with five digitized Dead Sea Scrolls. The high resolution photographs are up to 1,200 megapixels, almost 200 times more than the average consumer camera, so viewers can see even the most minute details in the parchment. For example, zoom in on the Temple Scroll to get a feel for the animal skin it's written on—only one-tenth of a millimeter thick.
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/09/from-desert-to-web-bringing-dead-sea.html
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Israel continues to deny the Palestinians the right to self-determination by claiming an historical right to Palestine. This claim, however, has no basis in international law.
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Israel continues to deny the Palestinians the right to self-determination by claiming an historical right to Palestine. This claim, however, has no basis in international law.
As Arabs, fakestinians have self determination in nearly 30 arab shitholes where they originate.
Jews have self-determination in Israel where Jews have lived for 3000 years.
Pulitzer Prize-Winning Writer Charles Krauthammer...
Israel is the very embodiment of Jewish continuity: It is the only nation on earth that inhabits the same land, bears the same name, speaks the same language, and worships the same God that it did 3,000 years ago. You dig the soil and you find pottery from Davidic times, coins from Bar Kokhba, and 2,000-year-old scrolls written in a script remarkably like the one that today advertises ice cream at the corner candy store.
2000 Year Old Jewish Dead Sea Scrolls[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rYj_0foJYA]The Dead Sea Scrolls Online - YouTube[/ame]
Google... Official Google Blog: From the desert to the web: bringing the Dead Sea Scrolls online
It’s taken 24 centuries, the work of archaeologists, scholars and historians, and the advent of the Internet to make the Dead Sea Scrolls accessible to anyone in the world. Today, as the new year approaches on the Hebrew calendar, we’re celebrating the launch of the Dead Sea Scrolls online; a project of The Israel Museum, Jerusalem, powered by Google technology.
Written between the third and first centuries BCE, the Dead Sea Scrolls include the oldest known biblical manuscripts in existence. In 68 BCE, they were hidden in 11 caves in the Judean desert on the shores of the Dead Sea to protect them from the approaching Roman armies. Since 1965, the scrolls have been on exhibit at the Shrine of the Book at The Israel Museum, Jerusalem. Among other topics, the scrolls offer critical insights into life and religion in ancient Jerusalem, including the birth of Christianity
Now, anyone around the world can view, read and interact with five digitized Dead Sea Scrolls. The high resolution photographs are up to 1,200 megapixels, almost 200 times more than the average consumer camera, so viewers can see even the most minute details in the parchment. For example, zoom in on the Temple Scroll to get a feel for the animal skin it's written on—only one-tenth of a millimeter thick.
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1. Jews immigrate to the mandate of Palestine, to join Jewish communities already there.
2. Muslim Arabs see Jews as 'invaders', and try to stop Jews immigrating, regardless of the fact that the territory has been fought over for centuries, by Christians, Jews and Muslims. For Muslims to claim 'ownership' they would have to deny the fact the territory was never truly theirs in the first place, but rather a shared territory of various tribes, and religious groups, notably Jews, and then claim the Jews were never there.
3. Muslims turn violent and try to force the Jews out of the mandate of Palestine, which results in guerrilla warfare and some terrorist acts against Muslim Arabs, and likewise revenge attacks on Jews.
4. Arab states spread propaganda to the Arab population claiming they will wipe out the Jews from Palestine, and destroy the fledgling state of Israel, encouraging Arabs to flee to surrounding nations.
5. Arab states lose the war, and keep the Arabs who fled from the mandate of Palestine in refugee camps, and continue to spread propaganda, misinformation, and fear about Jews.
6. They support totalitarian theocracy in 'Palestine' and endorse the destruction of Israel, rather than make a peaceful settlement with Israel, and establish a secular government in 'Palestine'.
7. The Arab states make 'peace offers',etc to Israel that demand Israel make territorial concessions to the 'Palestinians' (who overnight transform into a new racial group), take back all the refugees, allow a hostile Islamic theocracy to get away with human rights abuses against minorities, and get nothing back in return.
Nothing has really changed from this, all the 'peace deals' are just a ploy to either undermine Israeli sovereignty, or strengthen Islamic theocracy in the Palestinian territories.
Why give territory when that territory is going to fall into hands of Islamic theocrats that abuse and murder Palestinian Arabs (especially Christians and Muslims that don't want Fatah and Hamas). Likewise why reward a government that openly supports Israel's destruction, if not mass genocide of the Jewish population of Israel?
2. Muslim Arabs see Jews as 'invaders', and try to stop Jews immigrating, regardless of the fact that the territory has been fought over for centuries, by Christians, Jews and Muslims. For Muslims to claim 'ownership' they would have to deny the fact the territory was never truly theirs in the first place, but rather a shared territory of various tribes, and religious groups, notably Jews, and then claim the Jews were never there.
3. Muslims turn violent and try to force the Jews out of the mandate of Palestine, which results in guerrilla warfare and some terrorist acts against Muslim Arabs, and likewise revenge attacks on Jews.
4. Arab states spread propaganda to the Arab population claiming they will wipe out the Jews from Palestine, and destroy the fledgling state of Israel, encouraging Arabs to flee to surrounding nations.
5. Arab states lose the war, and keep the Arabs who fled from the mandate of Palestine in refugee camps, and continue to spread propaganda, misinformation, and fear about Jews.
6. They support totalitarian theocracy in 'Palestine' and endorse the destruction of Israel, rather than make a peaceful settlement with Israel, and establish a secular government in 'Palestine'.
7. The Arab states make 'peace offers',etc to Israel that demand Israel make territorial concessions to the 'Palestinians' (who overnight transform into a new racial group), take back all the refugees, allow a hostile Islamic theocracy to get away with human rights abuses against minorities, and get nothing back in return.
Nothing has really changed from this, all the 'peace deals' are just a ploy to either undermine Israeli sovereignty, or strengthen Islamic theocracy in the Palestinian territories.
Why give territory when that territory is going to fall into hands of Islamic theocrats that abuse and murder Palestinian Arabs (especially Christians and Muslims that don't want Fatah and Hamas). Likewise why reward a government that openly supports Israel's destruction, if not mass genocide of the Jewish population of Israel?
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Israel continues to deny the Palestinians the right to self-determination by claiming an historical right to Palestine. This claim, however, has no basis in international law.
Again , you argument holds no water , as i told you before Self-determination is the principle in international law that nations have the right to freely choose their sovereignty and international political status with no external compulsion or external interference.
The basis of your argument is false interpretation of the term 'self-determination', unlike before it's now clear that you are doing it on purpose.
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Israel continues to deny the Palestinians the right to self-determination by claiming an historical right to Palestine. This claim, however, has no basis in international law.
Again , you argument holds no water , as i told you before Self-determination is the principle in international law that nations have the right to freely choose their sovereignty and international political status with no external compulsion or external interference.
The basis of your argument is false interpretation of the term 'self-determination', unlike before it's now clear that you are doing it on purpose.
"Self-determination is the principle in international law that nations have the right to freely choose their sovereignty and international political status with no external compulsion or external interference."
Self-determination - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Doesn't that mean no foreigners?
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Tashbih Sayyed, Muslim Pakistani Scholar, Journalist, Author and Former Editor in Chief of Our Times, Pakistan Today, and The Muslim World Today
PBS: Civilization and the Jews
Harvard University Semitic Museum: The Houses of Ancient Israel The Houses of Ancient Israel § Semitic Museum
Harvard University Semitic Museum: Jerusalem During The Reign Of King Hezekiah--New Exhibition At The Semitic Museum Re-Creates Numerous Aspects Of Ancient Israel Harvard Gazette: Jerusalem during the reign of King Hezekiah
Yale University Press: The Archaeology of Ancient Israel The Archaeology of Ancient Israel - Ben-Tor, Amnon; Greenberg, R. - Yale University Press
PBS Nova ...
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvg2EZAEw5c]1/13 The Bible's Buried Secrets (NOVA PBS) - YouTube[/ame]
Blinded by their anti-Semitism, Arabs ignore the fact that neither are they an indigenous group nor is the Jewish nationhood a new phenomenon in Palestine; the Jewish nation was born during 40 years of wandering in the Sinai more than five thousand years ago and has remained connected with Palestine ever since. “Even after the destruction of the last Jewish commonwealth in the first century, the Jewish people maintained their own autonomous political and legal institutions: the Davidic dynasty was preserved in Baghdad until the thirteenth century through the rule of the Exilarch (Resh Galuta), while the return to Zion was incorporated into the most widely practiced Jewish traditions, including the end of the Yom Kippur service and the Passover Seder, as well as in everyday prayers. Thus, Jewish historic rights were kept alive in Jewish historical consciousness.
It is a matter of record that the Arabs owe their presence in Palestine to the Ottomans who settled Muslim populations as a buffer against Bedouin attacks and Ibrahim Pasha, the Egyptian ruler who brought Egyptian colonists with his army in the 1830s. And during all those times when Arabs lived under the Ottoman rule, they never showed any desire for national independence.
Jerusalem has always remained a Jewish majority – a symbol of Jewish yearning to be an independent nation as they thrived in communities in many of Palestine’s towns. “By 1864, a clear-cut Jewish majority emerged in Jerusalem - more than half a century before the arrival of the British Empire and the League of Nations Mandate. During the years that the Jewish presence in Eretz Israel was restored, a huge Arab population influx transpired as Arab immigrants sought to take advantage of higher wages and economic opportunities that resulted from Jewish settlement in the land. President Roosevelt concluded in 1939 that "Arab immigration into Palestine since 1921 has vastly exceeded the total Jewish immigration during the whole period."
The present Arab declaration challenging the Jewish character of Israel cannot be ignored because it is not just an expression of dissatisfaction by a minority about their socio-economic situation but a reminder that Islamist radicalism and fundamentalism has now decided to challenge openly the legitimacy of the Jewish state.
Global Politician - Israel?s Arab Citizens And The Jewish State
PBS: Civilization and the Jews
The interaction of Jewish history and Western civilization successively assumed different forms. In the Biblical and Ancient periods, Israel was an integral part of the Near Eastern and classical world, which gave birth to Western civilization. It shared the traditions of ancient Mesopotamia and the rest of that world with regard to it’s own beginning; it benefited from the decline of Egypt and the other great Near Eastern empires to emerge as a nation in it’s own right; it asserted it’s claim to the divinely promised Land of Israel
PBS - Heritage
Harvard University Semitic Museum: The Houses of Ancient Israel The Houses of Ancient Israel § Semitic Museum
In archaeological terms The Houses of Ancient Israel: Domestic, Royal, Divine focuses on the Iron Age (1200-586 B.C.E.). Iron I (1200-1000 B.C.E.) represents the premonarchical period. Iron II (1000-586 B.C.E.) was the time of kings. Uniting the tribal coalitions of Israel and Judah in the tenth century B.C.E., David and Solomon ruled over an expanding realm. After Solomon's death (c. 930 B.C.E.) Israel and Judah separated into two kingdoms.
Israel was led at times by strong kings, Omri and Ahab in the ninth century B.C.E. and Jereboam II in the eighth.
Harvard University Semitic Museum: Jerusalem During The Reign Of King Hezekiah--New Exhibition At The Semitic Museum Re-Creates Numerous Aspects Of Ancient Israel Harvard Gazette: Jerusalem during the reign of King Hezekiah
The Semitic Museum has installed a new exhibition that brings the world of biblical Israel into vivid, three-dimensional reality. "The Houses of Ancient Israel: Domestic, Royal, Divine" immerses the viewer in Israelite daily life around the time of King Hezekiah (8th century B.C.), creating an experiential environment based on the latest archaeological, textual, and historical research.
The centerpiece of the exhibition is a full-scale Israelite house, open on one side, filled with authentic ancient artifacts that show how life was lived by common inhabitants of ancient Jerusalem. Agricultural tools, a cooking area, and a stall occupied by a single, scruffy ram fill the ground floor of the cube-shaped, mud-brick structure, which, thankfully, is not olfactorily authentic. The upper story, reached by a ladder, is devoted to eating and sleeping.
Yale University Press: The Archaeology of Ancient Israel The Archaeology of Ancient Israel - Ben-Tor, Amnon; Greenberg, R. - Yale University Press
In this lavishly illustrated book some of Israel's foremost archaeologists present a thorough, up-to-date, and readily accessible survey of early life in the land of the Bible, from the Neolithic era (eighth millennium B.C.E.) to the fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the First Temple in 586 B.C.E. It will be a delightful and informative resource for anyone who has ever wanted to know more about the religious, scientific, or historical background of the region.
PBS Nova ...
In the banks of the Nile in southern Egypt in 1896, British archaeologisit Flinders Petrie unearthed one of the most important discoveries in biblical archaeology known as the Merneptah Stele. Merneptah's stele announces the entrance on the world stage of a People named Israel.
The Merneptah Stele is powerful evidence that a People called the Israelites are living in Canaan over 3000 years ago
Dr. Donald Redford, Egyptologist and archaeologist: The Merneptah Stele is priceless evidence for the presence of an ethnical group called Israel in Canaan.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvg2EZAEw5c]1/13 The Bible's Buried Secrets (NOVA PBS) - YouTube[/ame]
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It is repeatedly said that "the Arabs" lost the 1948 war.
That is not true.
An armistice was called by UN Security Council resolution. Nobody lost that war. Nobody lost any land.
That is not true.
An armistice was called by UN Security Council resolution. Nobody lost that war. Nobody lost any land.
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It is repeatedly said that "the Arabs" lost the 1948 war.
That is not true.
An armistice was called by UN Security Council resolution. Nobody lost that war. Nobody lost any land.
Warren Buffett...
If you go to the Middle East looking for oil, you don't need to stop in Israel. But, if you're looking for brains, for energy, for integrity, for imagination, it's the only stop you need to make"
Warren Buffet on Israel - YouTube
The Misery of Arabs/Apple R&D In Israel
Apple will open a research and development center in Israel that will focus on semiconductors
The R&D center in Herzliya, Israels version of Silicon Valley, would be Apples first outside California
Earlier this week, Israeli media reported Apple was in advanced talks to buy Anobit, an Israeli maker of flash storage technology, for $400-$500 million
It is so sad and frustrating to see APPLE investing in Israel, while we as Arabs are not able to attract these investments to our countries! I dont know what our leaders are doing to create proper environment for such investments!
I would prefer seeing APPLE as well as MICROSOFT having their R&D in Lebanon or any other Arab Country instead of being in ISRAEL!
WISH THE ARAB LEADERS WILL WAKE UP AND CARE FOR DEVELOPING THEIR COUNTRIES AND SOCIETIES INSTEAD OF APPLYING DICTATORSHIP AND KILL THEIR PEOPLE!
The Misery of Arabs ! Apple R&D in ISRAEL! | What do You Think ?
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA4wnqRAuhI]Apple to set up Israel development center - YouTube[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH1mYikmYzo]Apple to Acquire Anobit? - YouTube[/ame]
Apple today confirmed earlier reports it has acquired Israel-based flash memory startup Anobit....which makes flash memory technology found in the iPhone, iPad, and MacBook Air.. The deal was reported to be worth $400 million to $500 million.
Apple confirms Anobit acquisition | Apple - CNET News
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What does "Brand Israel" propaganda have to do with Israel winning nothing in the 1948 war?
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Fouad Ajami, Professor, Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies, Senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. He is co-chair of the Hoover Working Group on Islamism and the International Order. The Wall Street Journal, June 1, 2011
It had been quite a scramble, the prelude to the vote on Nov. 29, 1947, on the question of the partition of Palestine. The United Nations itself was only two years old and had just 56 member states; the Cold War was gathering force, and no one was exactly sure how the two pre-eminent powers, the United States and the Soviet Union, would vote. The Arab and Muslim states were of course unalterably opposed, for partition was a warrant for a Jewish state.
In the end, the vote broke for partition, the U.S. backed the resolution, and two days later the Soviet Union followed suit. It was a close call: 10 states had abstained, 13 had voted against, 33 were in favor, only two votes over the required two-thirds majority.
Now, some six decades later, the Palestinians are calling for a vote in the next session of the General Assembly, in September, to ratify a unilateral declaration of Palestinian statehood. In part, this is an appropriation by the Palestinians of the narrative of Zionism. The [UN] vote in 1947 was viewed as Israel's basic title to independence and] statehood. The Palestinians and the Arab powers had rejected partition and chosen the path of war. Their choice was to prove calamitous.
By the time the guns had fallen silent, the Yishuv, the Jewish community in Palestine, had held its ground against the combined armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Iraq. Its forces stood on the shores of the Red Sea in the south, and at the foot of the Golan Heights in the north. Palestinian society had collapsed under the pressure of war. The elites had made their way to neighboring lands. Rural communities had been left atomized and leaderless. The cities had fought, and fallen, alone. '"
Palestine had become a great Arab shame. Few Arabs were willing to tell the story truthfully, to face its harsh verdict. Henceforth the Palestinians would live on a vague idea of restoration and return. No leader had the courage to tell the refugees who had left Acre and Jaffa and Haifa that they could not recover the homes and orchards of their imagination.
The Palestinians have misread what transpired at the General Assembly in 1947. True, the cause of Jewish statehood had been served by the vote on partition, but the Zionist project had already prevailed on the ground. Jewish statehood was a fait accompli perhaps a decade before that vote. All the ingredients had been secured by Labor Zionism. There was a military formation powerful enough to defeat the Arab armies, there were political institutions in place, and there were gifted leaders, David Ben-Gurion pre-eminent among them, who knew what can be had in the world of nations.
The vote at the General Assembly was of immense help, but it wasn't the decisive factor in the founding of the Jewish state. The hard work had been done in the three decades between the Balfour Declaration of 1917 and the vote on partition. Realism had guided the Zionist project. We will take a state even if it is the size of a tablecloth, said Chaim Weizmann, one of the founding fathers of the Zionist endeavor.
Sadly, the Palestinian national movement has known a different kind of leadership, unique in its mix of maximalism and sense of entitlement, in its refusal to accept what can and can't be had in the world of nations. Leadership is often about luck, the kind of individuals a people's history brings forth. It was the distinct misfortune of the Palestinians that when it truly mattered, and for nearly four decades, they were led by a juggler, Yasser Arafat, a man fated to waste his people's chances.
Arafat was neither a Ben-Gurion leading his people to statehood, nor an Anwar Sadat accepting the logic of peace and compromise. He had been an enemy of Israel, but Israel had reached an accord with him in 1993, made room for him, and for a regime of his choice in Gaza. He had warred against the United States, but American diplomacy had fallen under his spell, and the years of the Clinton presidency were devoted to the delusion that the man could summon the courage to accept a practical peace.
But Arafat would do nothing of the kind. Until his death in 2004, he refrained from telling the Palestinians the harsh truths they needed to hear about the urgency of practicality and compromise. Instead, he held out the illusion that the Palestinians can have it all, from the River Jordan to the Mediterranean. His real constituents were in the refugee camps in Lebanon and Syria and Jordan, and among the Palestinians in Kuwait. So he peddled the dream that history's verdict could be overturned, that the "right of return" was theirs.
There was hope that the Arafat legacy would go with him to the grave.The new Palestinian Authority leader Mahmoud Abbas had been a lieutenant of Arafat's, but there were hints of a break with the Arafat legacy. The alliance between Fatah and Hamas that Mr. Abbas has opted for put these hopes to rest. And the illusion that the U.N. can break the stalemate in the Holy Land is vintage Arafat. It was Arafat who turned up at the General Assembly in 1974 with a holster on his hip, and who proclaimed that he had come bearing a freedom fighter's gun and an olive branch, and that it was up to the U.N. not to let the olive branch fall from his hand.
For the Palestinians there can be no escape from negotiations with Israel. The other Arabs shall not redeem Palestinian rights. They have their own burdens to bear. In this Arab Spring, this season of popular uprisings, little has been said in Tunis and Cairo and Damascus and Sanaa about Palestine.
The General Assembly may, in September, vote to ratify a unilateral declaration of Palestinian statehood. But true Palestinian statehood requires convincing a decisive Israeli majority that statehood is a herald for normalcy in that contested land, for Arabs and Jews alike.
It had been quite a scramble, the prelude to the vote on Nov. 29, 1947, on the question of the partition of Palestine. The United Nations itself was only two years old and had just 56 member states; the Cold War was gathering force, and no one was exactly sure how the two pre-eminent powers, the United States and the Soviet Union, would vote. The Arab and Muslim states were of course unalterably opposed, for partition was a warrant for a Jewish state.
In the end, the vote broke for partition, the U.S. backed the resolution, and two days later the Soviet Union followed suit. It was a close call: 10 states had abstained, 13 had voted against, 33 were in favor, only two votes over the required two-thirds majority.
Now, some six decades later, the Palestinians are calling for a vote in the next session of the General Assembly, in September, to ratify a unilateral declaration of Palestinian statehood. In part, this is an appropriation by the Palestinians of the narrative of Zionism. The [UN] vote in 1947 was viewed as Israel's basic title to independence and] statehood. The Palestinians and the Arab powers had rejected partition and chosen the path of war. Their choice was to prove calamitous.
By the time the guns had fallen silent, the Yishuv, the Jewish community in Palestine, had held its ground against the combined armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Iraq. Its forces stood on the shores of the Red Sea in the south, and at the foot of the Golan Heights in the north. Palestinian society had collapsed under the pressure of war. The elites had made their way to neighboring lands. Rural communities had been left atomized and leaderless. The cities had fought, and fallen, alone. '"
Palestine had become a great Arab shame. Few Arabs were willing to tell the story truthfully, to face its harsh verdict. Henceforth the Palestinians would live on a vague idea of restoration and return. No leader had the courage to tell the refugees who had left Acre and Jaffa and Haifa that they could not recover the homes and orchards of their imagination.
The Palestinians have misread what transpired at the General Assembly in 1947. True, the cause of Jewish statehood had been served by the vote on partition, but the Zionist project had already prevailed on the ground. Jewish statehood was a fait accompli perhaps a decade before that vote. All the ingredients had been secured by Labor Zionism. There was a military formation powerful enough to defeat the Arab armies, there were political institutions in place, and there were gifted leaders, David Ben-Gurion pre-eminent among them, who knew what can be had in the world of nations.
The vote at the General Assembly was of immense help, but it wasn't the decisive factor in the founding of the Jewish state. The hard work had been done in the three decades between the Balfour Declaration of 1917 and the vote on partition. Realism had guided the Zionist project. We will take a state even if it is the size of a tablecloth, said Chaim Weizmann, one of the founding fathers of the Zionist endeavor.
Sadly, the Palestinian national movement has known a different kind of leadership, unique in its mix of maximalism and sense of entitlement, in its refusal to accept what can and can't be had in the world of nations. Leadership is often about luck, the kind of individuals a people's history brings forth. It was the distinct misfortune of the Palestinians that when it truly mattered, and for nearly four decades, they were led by a juggler, Yasser Arafat, a man fated to waste his people's chances.
Arafat was neither a Ben-Gurion leading his people to statehood, nor an Anwar Sadat accepting the logic of peace and compromise. He had been an enemy of Israel, but Israel had reached an accord with him in 1993, made room for him, and for a regime of his choice in Gaza. He had warred against the United States, but American diplomacy had fallen under his spell, and the years of the Clinton presidency were devoted to the delusion that the man could summon the courage to accept a practical peace.
But Arafat would do nothing of the kind. Until his death in 2004, he refrained from telling the Palestinians the harsh truths they needed to hear about the urgency of practicality and compromise. Instead, he held out the illusion that the Palestinians can have it all, from the River Jordan to the Mediterranean. His real constituents were in the refugee camps in Lebanon and Syria and Jordan, and among the Palestinians in Kuwait. So he peddled the dream that history's verdict could be overturned, that the "right of return" was theirs.
There was hope that the Arafat legacy would go with him to the grave.The new Palestinian Authority leader Mahmoud Abbas had been a lieutenant of Arafat's, but there were hints of a break with the Arafat legacy. The alliance between Fatah and Hamas that Mr. Abbas has opted for put these hopes to rest. And the illusion that the U.N. can break the stalemate in the Holy Land is vintage Arafat. It was Arafat who turned up at the General Assembly in 1974 with a holster on his hip, and who proclaimed that he had come bearing a freedom fighter's gun and an olive branch, and that it was up to the U.N. not to let the olive branch fall from his hand.
For the Palestinians there can be no escape from negotiations with Israel. The other Arabs shall not redeem Palestinian rights. They have their own burdens to bear. In this Arab Spring, this season of popular uprisings, little has been said in Tunis and Cairo and Damascus and Sanaa about Palestine.
The General Assembly may, in September, vote to ratify a unilateral declaration of Palestinian statehood. But true Palestinian statehood requires convincing a decisive Israeli majority that statehood is a herald for normalcy in that contested land, for Arabs and Jews alike.
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In the end, the vote broke for partition, the U.S. backed the resolution, and two days later the Soviet Union followed suit. It was a close call: 10 states had abstained, 13 had voted against, 33 were in favor, only two votes over the required two-thirds majority.
Resolution 181 (the partition) was never implemented by the UN Security Council.
Resolution 181 did nothing. It is totally meaningless.
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In the end, the vote broke for partition, the U.S. backed the resolution, and two days later the Soviet Union followed suit. It was a close call: 10 states had abstained, 13 had voted against, 33 were in favor, only two votes over the required two-thirds majority.
Resolution 181 (the partition) was never implemented by the UN Security Council.
Resolution 181 did nothing. It is totally meaningless.
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What does "Brand Israel" propaganda have to do with Israel winning nothing in the 1948 war?
Warren Buffett...
Warren BuffettWe believe generally in the United States, we believe in ourselves and what a young country can achieve. Israel, since 1948, now a major factor in commerce and in the world. It's a smaller replica of what has been accomplished here and I think Americans admire that. They feel good about societies that are on the move.
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As a world leader in science and technology, Israel excels in such areas as genetics, medicine, agriculture, computer sciences, electronics, optics, and engineering. Scientists at Israeli universities such as Bar Ilan University, Ben Gurion University, Haifa University, Hebrew University, The Technion--Israel Institute of Technology, Tel Aviv University and the Weizmann Institute of Science are pioneers in areas such as stem cell-based tissue engineering, nanotechnology, high-resolution electron microscopy, and solar energy. Israeli companies have developed such diverse products as the first anti-virus package, technologies that allow you to leave voice mail on mobile phones, and stents that save lives by keeping the arteries to the heart open.
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With what Israel has stolen and mooched Haiti would be prosperous.
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Israel continues to deny the Palestinians the right to self-determination by claiming an historical right to Palestine. This claim, however, has no basis in international law.
Again , you argument holds no water , as i told you before Self-determination is the principle in international law that nations have the right to freely choose their sovereignty and international political status with no external compulsion or external interference.
The basis of your argument is false interpretation of the term 'self-determination', unlike before it's now clear that you are doing it on purpose.
Doesn't that mean no foreigners?"Self-determination is the principle in international law that nations have the right to freely choose their sovereignty and international political status with no external compulsion or external interference."
Self-determination - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
No, it means that a nation can determinate it's own international political status without external compulsion or interference of other nations...
It doesn't talk about land , nor foreigners or natives.
"external interference" refers to other nations and not foreigners...
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