The Crusades: Why are we still fighting them?

[Kalam]

He is a great liar, even in his own words.

Typical politician. There are too many of those around for me to care about him in particular.

Meanwhile you lie constantly , as allowed by your holy book and your prophet. Muslims? Kill people that do not believe in Islam, never I say, doesn't happen, isn't written down we should do so. Treat women like property never ( as your wife cowers behind you in a head to foot sack, uneducated cause you sick bastards are afraid of intelligent women.

I can go on all day. Your religion TEACHES that all the world must be Muslim, that force is acceptable to attain this end. That it is not murder to put down non Muslims, and acceptable to murder Muslims that disagree with YOUR version of what Mohammad REALLY meant. You are taught it is fine to lie to non believers and to use them, but never make friends with them.

No tolerance for any other religion while DEMANDING others tolerate your 7th century ass religion.

You will receive inane responses as long as you fail to substantiate your claims with correctly cited scripture.

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[daveman]

What are you running away from? Oh, yeah..."I'm not trying to defend my faith's murder of non-believers." Guess you can't do that, so you pretend it's just not there.

You need to realize that believers in Islam made it my business when they decided to kill as many of my fellow non-believers as they could.

There will never be a Caliphate. You can huddle in your third-world shitholes treating women like cattle and pretend you're running the world, but in actuality the rest of us can read a calendar and know it's not the 7th Century anymore.

Doesn't matter what I think.

That's it. You just keep playing pretend.

Say, when are you going to get your America-hating ass over to Afghanistan so we can martyr you?

Or are you too comfortable here in the land of the Great Satan? Yeah, that's more likely. You just post on the internet to "raise awareness" and fool yourself into thinking that's just as important as actually doing something.

 

[Kalam]

What are you running away from? Oh, yeah..."I'm not trying to defend my faith's murder of non-believers." Guess you can't do that, so you pretend it's just not there.

You need to realize that believers in Islam made it my business when they decided to kill as many of my fellow non-believers as they could.

There will never be a Caliphate. You can huddle in your third-world shitholes treating women like cattle and pretend you're running the world, but in actuality the rest of us can read a calendar and know it's not the 7th Century anymore.

Doesn't matter what I think.

That's it. You just keep playing pretend.

Say, when are you going to get your America-hating ass over to Afghanistan so we can martyr you?

Or are you too comfortable here in the land of the Great Satan? Yeah, that's more likely. You just post on the internet to "raise awareness" and fool yourself into thinking that's just as important as actually doing something.

Yeah. Insipid chest-pounding isn't going to get you the kind of responses you're looking for.

 

[daveman]

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That's it. You just keep playing pretend.

Say, when are you going to get your America-hating ass over to Afghanistan so we can martyr you?

Or are you too comfortable here in the land of the Great Satan? Yeah, that's more likely. You just post on the internet to "raise awareness" and fool yourself into thinking that's just as important as actually doing something.

Yeah. Insipid chest-pounding isn't going to get you the kind of responses you're looking for.

So what's keeping you from going to "repel the foreign invaders"?

 

[Kalam]

That's it. You just keep playing pretend.

Say, when are you going to get your America-hating ass over to Afghanistan so we can martyr you?

Or are you too comfortable here in the land of the Great Satan? Yeah, that's more likely. You just post on the internet to "raise awareness" and fool yourself into thinking that's just as important as actually doing something.

Yeah. Insipid chest-pounding isn't going to get you the kind of responses you're looking for.

So what's keeping you from going to "repel the foreign invaders"?

From Chechnya?

 

[daveman]

Yeah. Insipid chest-pounding isn't going to get you the kind of responses you're looking for.

So what's keeping you from going to "repel the foreign invaders"?

From Chechnya?

At one point, I believe you called the United States "the foreign invader".

Nevertheless, where there's a will, there's a way. Is your faith weak? Will Allah not provide for you and protect you?

 

[Kalam]

So what's keeping you from going to "repel the foreign invaders"?

From Chechnya?

At one point, I believe you called the United States "the foreign invader".

That's an accurate description from a purely neutral standpoint, is it not?

Nevertheless, where there's a will, there's a way. Is your faith weak? Will Allah not provide for you and protect you?

He's providing my tuition at the moment. I wouldn't want to incur His almighty wrath by leaving school early.

 

[daveman]

From Chechnya?

At one point, I believe you called the United States "the foreign invader".

That's an accurate description from a purely neutral standpoint, is it not?

You've made it quite clear you're not neutral on this.

Nevertheless, where there's a will, there's a way. Is your faith weak? Will Allah not provide for you and protect you?

He's providing my tuition at the moment. I wouldn't want to incur His almighty wrath by leaving school early.

Ahhh. And when you're out of school, there will be some other excuse.

You lack the courage of your convictions. You've let a woman -- Rachel Corrie -- kick your ass in the courage department.

 

[Intense]

HANCOCK, N.Y. — If you didn't know where to look, you'd probably never find Islamberg, a private Muslim community in the woods of the western Catskills, 150 miles northwest of New York City.

The town, sitting on a quiet dirt road past a gate marked with No Trespassing signs, is home to an estimated 100 residents. There are small houses and other buildings visible from the outside, but it is what can't be seen from beyond the gate that has some watchers worried.

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Islamberg was founded in 1980 by Sheikh Syed Mubarik Ali Shah Gilani, a Pakistani cleric who purchased a 70-acre plot and invited followers, mostly Muslim converts living in New York City, to settle there.

The town has its own mosque, grocery store and schoolhouse. It also reportedly has a firing range where residents take regular target practice. Gilani established similar rural enclaves across the country — at least six, including the Red House community in southern Virginia — though some believe there are dozens of them, all operating under the umbrella of the "Muslims of the Americas" group founded by Gilani.

Federal authorities say Gilani was also one of the founders of Jamaat al-Fuqra, a terrorist organization believed responsible for dozens of bombings and murders across the U.S. and abroad. The group was linked to the planning of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, and 10 years earlier a member was arrested and later convicted for bombing a hotel in Portland, Ore.

Shoe bomber Richard Reid has been linked to the group, along with convicted D.C. sniper John Allen Muhammad. But it is Sheikh Gilani who creates the most controversy and concern.

Gilani has told his followers that "Zionist plotters" plan to rule the world, and he encourates them to leave America's cities and avoid the "decadence of a godless society." Gilani is the man American reporter Daniel Pearl was trying to interview in Pakistan when he was kidnapped and beheaded. The Sheikh was taken into custody and later released by Pakistani authorities; he denies any involvement in Pearl's murder.

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Gilani also denies any connection to Jamaat al-Fuqra, as do residents of the MOA compounds, who say the "terrorist" group doesn't exist and was created by enemies of Islam hoping to destroy their communities. Members also deny sending a portion of their earnings to the Sheikh, but a former resident told FOX News that 10 to 30 percent of their income is regularly delivered to Gilani in the form of cash donations.

FOX News attempted to visit Islamberg after earlier efforts to set up on-camera interviews were rebuffed. A spokesman said by phone that residents typically shy away from interviews since they worry their words will be manipulated and turned against them. He accused FOX News of misrepresenting the group and suggested covering an Islamic festival in Binghamton later in the month to celebrate the birthday of the prophet Muhammad. Then he hung up.

Some residents, collecting their mail outside the compound or stopping for a short spell at its edge, spoke briefly of life on the inside. One woman told FOX News she was happy to be "away from the city and away from the drugs and crap that's going on," raising her family safely in Islamberg.

Another resident drove out, dressed in a cap and robe, video camera in hand, and moved so close to a female producer that he actually made contact. The resident kept his camera rolling for the next 15 minutes without saying a word, but he finally began to answer questions.

The man said residents get along with their neighbors and don't trust the media, which he said paints their town as a guarded compound "where no one can enter and exit."

"It's a village," he insisted, "with people of all backgrounds, cultures and races."

He said he was a 20-year veteran of the Air Force, still active in the reserves, who grew up in Brooklyn and converted to Islam while in the service.

"I got awards for 'bridging the gap' between American and Saudi soldiers," he said, noting that he had helped process the bodies when 19 U.S. servicemen were killed in a 1996 terror attack in Saudi Arabia. He said there were many veterans in Islamberg, including one with a Purple Heart citation from Vietnam.

The man denied the existence of Jamat al-Fuqra, and at first denied giving a share of his earnings to Sheik Gilani, but he later admitted that "all churches have tithes."

During the interview, two state police cars roared up, as one of the residents had called the cops, a common occurrence when reporters show up at the gate.

Local police told FOX News there has been plenty of rumor and innuendo over the years but very little trouble. The FBI's Albany Division said the agency has an open discourse with the residents of Islamberg. They've visited the compound but won't discuss whether there are any ongoing investigations.

That has not dispelled the worries of some watchdogs. Robert Spencer, director of Jihad Watch, says the group is making a concerted public relations effort to present a benign face and hide its violent past.

"I think we need to be very much on guard about every member of these compounds," he said. Though Spencer admits there is nothing inherently wrong with living in isolation, he stressed that "they're not at all open to visitors, they're not at all open to scrutiny and there's an abundance of evidence of sinister goings-on."

Spencer offered no evidence to back his misgivings, but suggested political correctness may be hampering investigations. He says the group's connection to Sheikh Gilani is reason enough to be concerned that they're planning for "something on a larger scale and longer term," to "further the causes of the global Islamic Jihad", something MOA has repeatedly denied and scoffed at in the past.

Residents call it a peaceful place to raise a family away from the pressures of the city, and maintain that the group is woefully misunderstood.

"I used to work customs when I was overseas and I come here and get harassed at the grocery store and the bank. A clerk claimed my military ID was invalid because I'm Muslim," the resident told FOX News.

Critics, lacking an eye into the cloistered community, still wonder whether it's something more.

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[hipeter924]

From Chechnya?

At one point, I believe you called the United States "the foreign invader".

That's an accurate description from a purely neutral standpoint, is it not?

Nevertheless, where there's a will, there's a way. Is your faith weak? Will Allah not provide for you and protect you?

He's providing my tuition at the moment. I wouldn't want to incur His almighty wrath by leaving school early.

No problem with that because he doesn't exist and your entire life is a lie.

PS: That felt good.

 

[Kalam]

At one point, I believe you called the United States "the foreign invader".

That's an accurate description from a purely neutral standpoint, is it not?

You've made it quite clear you're not neutral on this.

Doesn't matter. Are US soldiers foreign invaders or are they not?

Nevertheless, where there's a will, there's a way. Is your faith weak? Will Allah not provide for you and protect you?

He's providing my tuition at the moment. I wouldn't want to incur His almighty wrath by leaving school early.

Ahhh. And when you're out of school, there will be some other excuse.

You think whatever makes you happy.

You lack the courage of your convictions. You've let a woman -- Rachel Corrie -- kick your ass in the courage department.

Even if what you said was true, why would I be ashamed of that?

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[hipeter924]

That's an accurate description from a purely neutral standpoint, is it not?

You've made it quite clear you're not neutral on this.

Doesn't matter. Are US soldiers foreign invaders or are they not?

Ahhh. And when you're out of school, there will be some other excuse.

You think whatever makes you happy.

You lack the courage of your convictions. You've let a woman -- Rachel Corrie -- kick your ass in the courage department.

Even if what you said was true, why would I be ashamed of that?

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Osama Bin Laden, has a daughter? She needs a face lift.

 

[Hister]

Kalam, if your god is so great, then why didn't it not make enough muslim teeth to go around?

 

[daveman]

Doesn't matter. Are US soldiers foreign invaders or are they not?

If you feel the Taliban was the legitimate government of Afghanistan, they are. If you don't, they are not.

You think whatever makes you happy.

The truth makes me happy.

Even if what you said was true, why would I be ashamed of that?

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Did you see that? "We'll accept everyone who has a genuine intention."

What's the holdup, boy? Don't give me that stupid "college" excuse. Your brothers are dying. Don't you want to go help them?

 

[editec]

Why are we still fighting the Crusades?

Because every generation spawns enough asshats on both sides, obviously.

 

[DDdavis]

Because we fight not against flesh and blood, but good against evel, has been that way from the beggining. When Satan rebelled against God, in the first earth age, I know thats a little deep, but put it on a shelf, sit back and watch, and let prophecy run its course.

 

[Intense]

Why are we still fighting the Crusades?

Because every generation spawns enough asshats on both sides, obviously.

Obviously Justice has yet to be established.

Nice try though.

 

[Kalam]

Osama Bin Laden, has a daughter?

He has a niece...

 

[Kalam]

Kalam, if your god is so great, then why didn't it not make enough muslim teeth to go around?

"...why didn't it not..."

 

[Kalam]

If you feel the Taliban was the legitimate government of Afghanistan, they are. If you don't, they are not.

The legitimacy or illegitimacy of the Taliban is incidental to the US military's status as foreign invaders.

The truth makes me happy.

I've seen plenty of evidence to the contrary...

Did you see that? "We'll accept everyone who has a genuine intention."

What's the holdup, boy? Don't give me that stupid "college" excuse. Your brothers are dying. Don't you want to go help them?

I am.