That's what cognitive dissonance does to people. There are literal fucking geniuses that make silly arguments...actually on both sides of the equation...but there exists no proof of any deities and if there were, these discussions are not had. It would be proven! end of. Evidences are not proofs, assertions are not axioms by magical proxy and special pleading is a weak brick.'Something cannot emerge from nothingness' is an assumption ~> here's how to tell:There is no special pleading being done here, dude.And I only had to say that in the 1st place because buffoons special plead like theyre paid to fuckin do itHe wasnt saying that. He was saying that asserting something as an axiom does not make it an axiom. You really need to slow down.That is not the function of an axiom. It is simply a focus on what is assumed and why. It is not given as itself a proof of anything.
If you cannot accept the idea that something cannot emerge from nothingness, then no one can remedy your affliction.
Premise 1. IF this Universe is all that there is...
and premise 2. IF this Universe came from nothing...
then conclusion: literally EVERYTHING came from nothing.
But barring that aside...lets grant, for the sake of fucks and giggles...that something cannot come from nothing because of ...hmm, magical rule x we can call it.
Umm, its merely a bald assertion, to begin with, that the philosophical "nothing" has ever even occurred and so "something cannot come from nothing" is an unconvincing, as well as an unsubstanciated premise.
Same with SLOT. The Universe isnt known to be a closed system, so its mere assertion to use SLOT in any "proof" syllogisms for God. Special pleading is where all this stuff fails.
I agree. You must accept the unsupported assumption as a given and you are not allowed to question it. The basis of religion.
The real hole in this, as I see it, is that if the universe came from something, then that something had to come from something, and that something had to come from something, and on and on. Then you arrive at the only solution which stops the cycle - the uncaused cause. The problem with that, of course, the very existence of an uncaused cause is a refutation of the argument that something cannot come from nothing.