The certain way to higher wages for workers in the future...

[there4eyeM]

...is by reducing the market supply.

If there were fewer humans, there would be much less poverty.

Of course, this is not a proposition that the 'supply' be inflicted through some kind of income-levelcide. It is merely in the interests of that class, that cannot find enough now, not to condemn their heirs to even worse lives.

 

[there4eyeM]

...is by reducing the market supply.

If there were fewer humans, there would be much less poverty.

Of course, this is not a proposition that the 'supply' be inflicted through some kind of income-levelcide. It is merely in the interests of that class, that cannot find enough now, not to condemn their heirs to even worse lives.

What happened to real estate values and the cost and conditions of labor after the Black Plague, for example?

 

[Toronado3800]

I dunno if devaluing my property by decreasing the demand for it is the answer.

I prefer a bunch of hard working immigrants who keep the country energized!

 

[Toronado3800]

Consider that big government purchase.and welfare land grant era of the 1800's as an example.

We generally imported everyone we could and tried to give em land. Heck, we even gave the Railroads Native American lands and used the military to help keep it theirs lol.

Now THAT was a path to manifest destiny. We just don't have the land to give away any longer.

 

[there4eyeM]

Right! What worked in the past may have nothing to do with now.

 

[Daktoria]

You can also just close borders and prohibit outsourcing.

 

[Daktoria]

...is by reducing the market supply.

If there were fewer humans, there would be much less poverty.

Of course, this is not a proposition that the 'supply' be inflicted through some kind of income-levelcide. It is merely in the interests of that class, that cannot find enough now, not to condemn their heirs to even worse lives.

What happened to real estate values and the cost and conditions of labor after the Black Plague, for example?

What happened to real estate values after Hispanics built our houses and Jewish real estate brokerages lent racially predatory subprime loans?

If you take multiculturalism out of the picture, the market works just fine.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

...is by reducing the market supply.

If there were fewer humans, there would be much less poverty.

Of course, this is not a proposition that the 'supply' be inflicted through some kind of income-levelcide. It is merely in the interests of that class, that cannot find enough now, not to condemn their heirs to even worse lives.

idiotic, since the planet supports more at a higher level than ever before. The incentive to expand the global economy
when the population was 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 billion was what caused the growth that enabled us to feed the lowest class in the first place.

 

[Mad Scientist]

If there were fewer humans, there would be much less poverty.

What is your plan to kill 4, 5 or 6 Billion people?

I can see World Government doing that.

 

[there4eyeM]

If there were fewer humans, there would be much less poverty.

What is your plan to kill 4, 5 or 6 Billion people?

I can see World Government doing that.

Spanish Flu. Black Plague. Small pox. Volcanoes. Misplace nuclear devices.

I can see World Government unable to stop it.

 

[there4eyeM]

The point is, at least in part, that if the population of workers diminished itself, the unit price per whatever unit would go up. Co-incidentally, real estate values would go down.

In other words, wealth re-distribution would occur. The economy would change dramatically.

What would be the ramifications?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The point is, at least in part, that if the population of workers diminished itself, the unit price per whatever unit would go up. Co-incidentally, real estate values would go down.

In other words, wealth re-distribution would occur. The economy would change dramatically.

What would be the ramifications?

wages are far higher than 100 years ago because of all the new products supplied. If you want higher wages in the future you want Republican supply side economics!!

 

[there4eyeM]

We're talking far bigger than that here.

 

[there4eyeM]

Why is such suffering self inflicted if the basic market forces people talk about really worked?

 

[there4eyeM]

Would everything be better if people had fewer children?

Isn't overpopulation what hurts the poorest the most?

Why do people have so many kids when simple economic considerations would lead to a

 

[editec]

...is by reducing the market supply.

If there were fewer humans, there would be much less poverty.

Of course, this is not a proposition that the 'supply' be inflicted through some kind of income-levelcide. It is merely in the interests of that class, that cannot find enough now, not to condemn their heirs to even worse lives.

If the advances in productivity that have occurred in the last 50 years had gone in the same proportions to the capital class and the working classes alike?

There'd be far less poverty today, AND the economy would be thriving, too.

And the work week would probably be about 20 hours, too.

Therer's plenty of wealth, its just not being divided wisely.

 

[akelch]

Consider that big government purchase.and welfare land grant era of the 1800's as an example.

We generally imported everyone we could and tried to give em land. Heck, we even gave the Railroads Native American lands and used the military to help keep it theirs lol.

Now THAT was a path to manifest destiny. We just don't have the land to give away any longer.

What about Alaska?....most of it is owned by the Federal Government. The people that live there can't even use it.

 

[editec]

CAPITALISM owes its existence to the BLACK DEATH in Europe, ya know?

Before the plagues killed off 1/3 to 1/2 of the population, Feudalism was quite secure and in no way threatened by any new economic system.

But once society broke down, the landed gentry had NO choice but to start luring workers by paying them to work.

And as the feudal system broke down, workers felt liberated and could leave their former landlords to find work at pay.

My point?

There4eyeM is right.

A dramatic and rapid reduction in people WILL make the survivors both more valued by society, and wealthier too in the long run.

 

[akelch]

CAPITALISM owes its existence to the BLACK DEATH in Europe, ya know?

Before the plagues killed off 1/3 to 1/2 of the population, Feudalism was quite secure and in no way threatened by any new economic system.

But once society broke down, the landed gentry had NO choice but to start luring workers by paying them to work.

And as the feudal system broke down, workers felt liberated and could leave their former landlords to find work at pay.

My point?

There4eyeM is right.

A dramatic and rapid reduction in people WILL make the survivors both more valued by society, and wealthier too in the long run.

They tried the same thing in France after the revolution. They planned on killing Millions of "useless people" in order to lower the unemployment rate and bust the supply of food. They only got around in killing a few hundred thousand man, women, and children.

That type of thinking is against God and has no place in a civil society.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

A dramatic and rapid reduction in people WILL make the survivors both more valued by society, and wealthier too in the long run.

this is too stupid and perfectly liberal since the earth now has 7 billion people with 5 billion soon to have smart phone toys!!

more people means more scientists and more economies of scale which explains 5 billion smart phones as opposed to feudal times when they had no people and no smart phones!!

See why we are 100% sure a liberal will be slow, so very very slow?.