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"Now, this is the point where you get to point out any GOP legislation from Republicans that is not targeted to the one percent"
Repub policies tend to favor those who are productive. Dem policies tend to favor those who prefer to feed at the gov't trough.
Ineptocracy _ (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) - a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or even try are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.
Define socialismThe problem with assigning government the task of "promoting the general welfare" (or happiness, or health, or whatever goodies people might want) is that it must first decide, for us, what constitutes our general welfare.
If we are not happy with what they decide, we get to vote them out
That doesn't address the problem at all. The problem isn't that the majority might be unhappy with the decision. The problem is that we all have our own definition of the good life. And government should protect our freedom to pursue that vision, rather than dictating what it should be.
The Government represents us. They do as much or as little as we want
If We the People are not happy with their choices, we vote them out
It has happened tens of thousands of times
thats true, but many times the damage is already done. the better solution is to elect people who understand what this country stands for------------------and its not socialism, winger/jake.
To you....socialism is any time the government does anything to help the people
Repub policies tend to favor those who are productive. Dem policies tend to favor those who prefer to feed at the gov't trough.
Ineptocracy _ (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) - a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or even try are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.
Sure, sure...
GOV'T POLICY MATTERS !!!
The role of government is to allow the PURSUIT of happiness, not to guarantee that everyone will find it.
The role of government is to get out of the way of business and let the free market, supply and demand, and individual hard work drive success (or failure).
"just get the hell out of my way" John Galt to the government in Atlas Shrugged.
Prior to FDR the presumption of government was to produce the conditions for the "pursuit of happiness." FDR said, "why stop there, the federal government can produce happiness" ( understood as material well-being ) thus the New Deal, road to socialism and ruination of the principles the Founders spent much time on, in their famous U.S. Constitution, that is now almost up in flames. Obammy is fast closing it out, completely. We poor hard-working sucking taxpayers.
Often misquoted as ‘The business of America is business,” Coolidge really said:
“...After all, the chief business of the American people is business. They are profoundly concerned with producing, buying, selling, investing and prospering in the world. I am strongly of opinion that the great majority of people will always find these are moving impulses of our life. …
Wealth is the product of industry, ambition, character and untiring effort. In all experience, the accumulation of wealth means the multiplication of schools, the increase of knowledge, the dissemination of intelligence, the encouragement of science, the broadening of outlook, the expansion of liberties, the widening of culture.
Of course, the accumulation of wealth cannot be justified as the chief end of existence. But we are compelled to recognize it as a means to well-nigh every desirable achievement. So long as wealth is made the means and not the end, we need not greatly fear it.”
January 17, 1925 Given before the American Society of Newspaper Editors
"We grudge no man a fortune which represents his own power and sagacity, when exercised with entire regard to the welfare of his fellows."
Teddy Roosevelt spoke impassionedly about great wealth, saying that it is "not even enough that it should have been gained without doing damage to the community. We should permit it to be gained only so long as the gaining represents benefit to the community.
"To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his father's has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it."
From Jefferson's prospectus for his translation of Destutt de Tracy's Treatise on Political Economy, communicated to Joseph Milligan in a letter of April 6, 1816.
The text this quotation appears in has not yet been published by the Papers of Thomas Jefferson: Retirement Series, but you can see Jefferson's retained copy of the prospectus in the Thomas Jefferson Papers at the Library of Congress, online at http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=mtj1&fileName=mtj1page048.db....
Original here:
The Thomas Jefferson Papers Series 1. General Correspondence. 1651-1827
Define socialismIf we are not happy with what they decide, we get to vote them out
That doesn't address the problem at all. The problem isn't that the majority might be unhappy with the decision. The problem is that we all have our own definition of the good life. And government should protect our freedom to pursue that vision, rather than dictating what it should be.
The Government represents us. They do as much or as little as we want
If We the People are not happy with their choices, we vote them out
It has happened tens of thousands of times
thats true, but many times the damage is already done. the better solution is to elect people who understand what this country stands for------------------and its not socialism, winger/jake.
To you....socialism is any time the government does anything to help the people
sorry, asshole, your hero obozo the great is really more of a marxist collectivist----------look it up ya fricken jerk.
The role of government is to allow the PURSUIT of happiness, not to guarantee that everyone will find it.
The role of government is to get out of the way of business and let the free market, supply and demand, and individual hard work drive success (or failure).
"just get the hell out of my way" John Galt to the government in Atlas Shrugged.
Prior to FDR the presumption of government was to produce the conditions for the "pursuit of happiness." FDR said, "why stop there, the federal government can produce happiness" ( understood as material well-being ) thus the New Deal, road to socialism and ruination of the principles the Founders spent much time on, in their famous U.S. Constitution, that is now almost up in flames. Obammy is fast closing it out, completely. We poor hard-working sucking taxpayers.
Often misquoted as ‘The business of America is business,” Coolidge really said:
“...After all, the chief business of the American people is business. They are profoundly concerned with producing, buying, selling, investing and prospering in the world. I am strongly of opinion that the great majority of people will always find these are moving impulses of our life. …
Wealth is the product of industry, ambition, character and untiring effort. In all experience, the accumulation of wealth means the multiplication of schools, the increase of knowledge, the dissemination of intelligence, the encouragement of science, the broadening of outlook, the expansion of liberties, the widening of culture.
Of course, the accumulation of wealth cannot be justified as the chief end of existence. But we are compelled to recognize it as a means to well-nigh every desirable achievement. So long as wealth is made the means and not the end, we need not greatly fear it.”
January 17, 1925 Given before the American Society of Newspaper Editors
"We grudge no man a fortune which represents his own power and sagacity, when exercised with entire regard to the welfare of his fellows."
Teddy Roosevelt spoke impassionedly about great wealth, saying that it is "not even enough that it should have been gained without doing damage to the community. We should permit it to be gained only so long as the gaining represents benefit to the community.
"To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his father's has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it."
From Jefferson's prospectus for his translation of Destutt de Tracy's Treatise on Political Economy, communicated to Joseph Milligan in a letter of April 6, 1816.
The text this quotation appears in has not yet been published by the Papers of Thomas Jefferson: Retirement Series, but you can see Jefferson's retained copy of the prospectus in the Thomas Jefferson Papers at the Library of Congress, online at http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=mtj1&fileName=mtj1page048.db....
Original here:
The Thomas Jefferson Papers Series 1. General Correspondence. 1651-1827
A power to dispose of estates for ever is manifestly absurd. The earth and the fulness of it belongs to every generation, and the preceding one can have no right to bind it up from posterity. Such extension of property is quite unnatural. Thomas Jefferson
The causes which destroyed the ancient republics were numerous; but in Rome, one principal cause was the vast inequality of fortunes. Noah Webster
The disposition to admire, and almost to worship, the rich and the powerful, and to despise, or, at least, to neglect persons of poor and mean condition is the great and most universal cause of the corruption of our moral sentiments. Adam Smith
Define socialismThat doesn't address the problem at all. The problem isn't that the majority might be unhappy with the decision. The problem is that we all have our own definition of the good life. And government should protect our freedom to pursue that vision, rather than dictating what it should be.
The Government represents us. They do as much or as little as we want
If We the People are not happy with their choices, we vote them out
It has happened tens of thousands of times
thats true, but many times the damage is already done. the better solution is to elect people who understand what this country stands for------------------and its not socialism, winger/jake.
To you....socialism is any time the government does anything to help the people
sorry, asshole, your hero obozo the great is really more of a marxist collectivist----------look it up ya fricken jerk.
Ok
Point to any Obama policy that could be considered Marxist Collectivist
Do you even know what the words mean?
DeTocqueville said it this way.
Above this race of men stands an immense and tutelary power, which takes upon itself alone to secure their gratifications and to watch over their fate. That power is absolute, minute, regular, provident, and mild. It would be like the authority of a parent if, like that authority, its object was to prepare men for manhood; but it seeks, on the contrary, to keep them in perpetual childhood: it is well content that the people should rejoice, provided they think of nothing but rejoicing. For their happiness such a government willingly labors, but it chooses to be the sole agent and the only arbiter of that happiness; it provides for their security, foresees and supplies their necessities, facilitates their pleasures, manages their principal concerns, directs their industry, regulates the descent of property, and subdivides their inheritances: what remains, but to spare them all the care of thinking and all the trouble of living?
Aldous Huxley saw it like this
The government of Brave New World retains control by making its citizens so happy and superficially fulfilled that they don’t care about their personal freedom. In Brave New World the consequences of state control are a loss of dignity, morals, values, and emotions—in short, a loss of humanity.
Socialism - We're all in this boat together, we should help each other...
A noble idea that when enforced by gov't at gunpoint just doesn't work.
Yes, and we see the libertarian wonderland where again? The closest you Klowns have are Somalia or Russia, lol
The closest you socialist BOZOs have to your "Worker's Paradise" is Venezuela and Cuba. Yeah ... let's be like them.
Let's see how that works out in Greece. Under obumble more businesses have closed than started.
I wrote Socialist ideals, not Socialism.
You claim to own a business. Do you split all profits equally with everyone who works for the company? No? Then shut the fuck up.
All profits must be split (perfect equality) for socialist ideals (WE are a SOCIETY) to be used?
Okay, let's use the word "socialism," which is somewhat ambiguous.
But we can keep it simple.
Socialism - We're all in this boat together, we should help each other.
Conservatism - Every man for himself!
Let's see how that works out in Greece. Under obumble more businesses have closed than started.
I wrote Socialist ideals, not Socialism.
You claim to own a business. Do you split all profits equally with everyone who works for the company? No? Then shut the fuck up.
All profits must be split (perfect equality) for socialist ideals (WE are a SOCIETY) to be used?
Okay, let's use the word "socialism," which is somewhat ambiguous.
But we can keep it simple.
Socialism - We're all in this boat together, we should help each other.
Conservatism - Every man for himself!
Define socialismThe Government represents us. They do as much or as little as we want
If We the People are not happy with their choices, we vote them out
It has happened tens of thousands of times
thats true, but many times the damage is already done. the better solution is to elect people who understand what this country stands for------------------and its not socialism, winger/jake.
To you....socialism is any time the government does anything to help the people
sorry, asshole, your hero obozo the great is really more of a marxist collectivist----------look it up ya fricken jerk.
Ok
Point to any Obama policy that could be considered Marxist Collectivist
Do you even know what the words mean?
Obamacare, "I want to redistribute the wealth". "you didn't build that". "fair share" "free jr college" obamaphones.
I could go on for several paragraphs, but maybe you get it--------------probably not.
Socialism - We're all in this boat together, we should help each other...
A noble idea that when enforced by gov't at gunpoint just doesn't work.
Yes, and we see the libertarian wonderland where again? The closest you Klowns have are Somalia or Russia, lol
The closest you socialist BOZOs have to your "Worker's Paradise" is Venezuela and Cuba. Yeah ... let's be like them.
Well No Bubba, I'd take Germany, Sweden, UK, etc. You know most other developed nation who don't allow the 'job creators' to treat US as chattel? lol
HOW ABOUT A SPOT YOU WANT TO COPY, SINCE YOU DON'T LIKE THE WAY THE US HAS BEEN GOING THE PAST 100+ YEARS WITH PROGRESS?
Socialism - We're all in this boat together, we should help each other...
A noble idea that when enforced by gov't at gunpoint just doesn't work.
Yes, and we see the libertarian wonderland where again? The closest you Klowns have are Somalia or Russia, lol
The closest you socialist BOZOs have to your "Worker's Paradise" is Venezuela and Cuba. Yeah ... let's be like them.
Well No Bubba, I'd take Germany, Sweden, UK, etc. You know most other developed nation who don't allow the 'job creators' to treat US as chattel? lol
HOW ABOUT A SPOT YOU WANT TO COPY, SINCE YOU DON'T LIKE THE WAY THE US HAS BEEN GOING THE PAST 100+ YEARS WITH PROGRESS?
Define socialismthats true, but many times the damage is already done. the better solution is to elect people who understand what this country stands for------------------and its not socialism, winger/jake.
To you....socialism is any time the government does anything to help the people
sorry, asshole, your hero obozo the great is really more of a marxist collectivist----------look it up ya fricken jerk.
Ok
Point to any Obama policy that could be considered Marxist Collectivist
Do you even know what the words mean?
Obamacare, "I want to redistribute the wealth". "you didn't build that". "fair share" "free jr college" obamaphones.
I could go on for several paragraphs, but maybe you get it--------------probably not.
So NO, you have NOTHING
John Adams, Founding Father and 2nd President; Thoughts on Government, 1776:
"Government is instituted for the common good; for the protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness of the people; and not for the profit, honor, or private interest of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, the people alone have an incontestable, unalienable, and indefeasible right to institute government; and to reform, alter, or totally change the same, when their protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness require it."
Repub policies tend to favor those who are productive. Dem policies tend to favor those who prefer to feed at the gov't trough.
Ineptocracy _ (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) - a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or even try are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.
Sure, sure...
GOV'T POLICY MATTERS !!!
Indeed it does.
We've had Repub and Dem administrations since 1980 and evidently the top 1% are productive and you are profoundly jealous.
Prior to FDR the presumption of government was to produce the conditions for the "pursuit of happiness." FDR said, "why stop there, the federal government can produce happiness" ( understood as material well-being ) thus the New Deal, road to socialism and ruination of the principles the Founders spent much time on, in their famous U.S. Constitution, that is now almost up in flames. Obammy is fast closing it out, completely. We poor hard-working sucking taxpayers.
Often misquoted as ‘The business of America is business,” Coolidge really said:
“...After all, the chief business of the American people is business. They are profoundly concerned with producing, buying, selling, investing and prospering in the world. I am strongly of opinion that the great majority of people will always find these are moving impulses of our life. …
Wealth is the product of industry, ambition, character and untiring effort. In all experience, the accumulation of wealth means the multiplication of schools, the increase of knowledge, the dissemination of intelligence, the encouragement of science, the broadening of outlook, the expansion of liberties, the widening of culture.
Of course, the accumulation of wealth cannot be justified as the chief end of existence. But we are compelled to recognize it as a means to well-nigh every desirable achievement. So long as wealth is made the means and not the end, we need not greatly fear it.”
January 17, 1925 Given before the American Society of Newspaper Editors
"We grudge no man a fortune which represents his own power and sagacity, when exercised with entire regard to the welfare of his fellows."
Teddy Roosevelt spoke impassionedly about great wealth, saying that it is "not even enough that it should have been gained without doing damage to the community. We should permit it to be gained only so long as the gaining represents benefit to the community.
"To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his father's has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it."
From Jefferson's prospectus for his translation of Destutt de Tracy's Treatise on Political Economy, communicated to Joseph Milligan in a letter of April 6, 1816.
The text this quotation appears in has not yet been published by the Papers of Thomas Jefferson: Retirement Series, but you can see Jefferson's retained copy of the prospectus in the Thomas Jefferson Papers at the Library of Congress, online at http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=mtj1&fileName=mtj1page048.db....
Original here:
The Thomas Jefferson Papers Series 1. General Correspondence. 1651-1827
A power to dispose of estates for ever is manifestly absurd. The earth and the fulness of it belongs to every generation, and the preceding one can have no right to bind it up from posterity. Such extension of property is quite unnatural. Thomas Jefferson
The causes which destroyed the ancient republics were numerous; but in Rome, one principal cause was the vast inequality of fortunes. Noah Webster
The disposition to admire, and almost to worship, the rich and the powerful, and to despise, or, at least, to neglect persons of poor and mean condition is the great and most universal cause of the corruption of our moral sentiments. Adam Smith
Could I trouble you to post that in a larger font? It will make it seem all the more imperative.
Let's see how that works out in Greece. Under obumble more businesses have closed than started.
I wrote Socialist ideals, not Socialism.
You claim to own a business. Do you split all profits equally with everyone who works for the company? No? Then shut the fuck up.
All profits must be split (perfect equality) for socialist ideals (WE are a SOCIETY) to be used?
Okay, let's use the word "socialism," which is somewhat ambiguous.
But we can keep it simple.
Socialism - We're all in this boat together, we should help each other.
Conservatism - Every man for himself!
Let's see how that works out in Greece. Under obumble more businesses have closed than started.
I wrote Socialist ideals, not Socialism.
You claim to own a business. Do you split all profits equally with everyone who works for the company? No? Then shut the fuck up.
All profits must be split (perfect equality) for socialist ideals (WE are a SOCIETY) to be used?
Okay, let's use the word "socialism," which is somewhat ambiguous.
But we can keep it simple.
Socialism - We're all in this boat together, we should help each other.
Conservatism - Every man for himself!
Socialism: punish success and reward failure, free rides for the lazy
Conservatism: Work hard and succeed. Help those who are physically or mentally unable to care for themselves.
Socialism - We're all in this boat together, we should help each other...
A noble idea that when enforced by gov't at gunpoint just doesn't work.
Yes, and we see the libertarian wonderland where again? The closest you Klowns have are Somalia or Russia, lol
The closest you socialist BOZOs have to your "Worker's Paradise" is Venezuela and Cuba. Yeah ... let's be like them.
Well No Bubba, I'd take Germany, Sweden, UK, etc. You know most other developed nation who don't allow the 'job creators' to treat US as chattel? lol
HOW ABOUT A SPOT YOU WANT TO COPY, SINCE YOU DON'T LIKE THE WAY THE US HAS BEEN GOING THE PAST 100+ YEARS WITH PROGRESS?
Define socialismthats true, but many times the damage is already done. the better solution is to elect people who understand what this country stands for------------------and its not socialism, winger/jake.
To you....socialism is any time the government does anything to help the people
sorry, asshole, your hero obozo the great is really more of a marxist collectivist----------look it up ya fricken jerk.
Ok
Point to any Obama policy that could be considered Marxist Collectivist
Do you even know what the words mean?
Obamacare, "I want to redistribute the wealth". "you didn't build that". "fair share" "free jr college" obamaphones.
I could go on for several paragraphs, but maybe you get it--------------probably not.
So NO, you have NOTHING
John Adams, Founding Father and 2nd President; Thoughts on Government, 1776:
"Government is instituted for the common good; for the protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness of the people; and not for the profit, honor, or private interest of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, the people alone have an incontestable, unalienable, and indefeasible right to institute government; and to reform, alter, or totally change the same, when their protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness require it."
Socialism - We're all in this boat together, we should help each other...
A noble idea that when enforced by gov't at gunpoint just doesn't work.
Yes, and we see the libertarian wonderland where again? The closest you Klowns have are Somalia or Russia, lol
The closest you socialist BOZOs have to your "Worker's Paradise" is Venezuela and Cuba. Yeah ... let's be like them.
Well No Bubba, I'd take Germany, Sweden, UK, etc. You know most other developed nation who don't allow the 'job creators' to treat US as chattel? lol
HOW ABOUT A SPOT YOU WANT TO COPY, SINCE YOU DON'T LIKE THE WAY THE US HAS BEEN GOING THE PAST 100+ YEARS WITH PROGRESS?
Socialism - We're all in this boat together, we should help each other...
A noble idea that when enforced by gov't at gunpoint just doesn't work.
Yes, and we see the libertarian wonderland where again? The closest you Klowns have are Somalia or Russia, lol
The closest you socialist BOZOs have to your "Worker's Paradise" is Venezuela and Cuba. Yeah ... let's be like them.
Well No Bubba, I'd take Germany, Sweden, UK, etc. You know most other developed nation who don't allow the 'job creators' to treat US as chattel? lol
HOW ABOUT A SPOT YOU WANT TO COPY, SINCE YOU DON'T LIKE THE WAY THE US HAS BEEN GOING THE PAST 100+ YEARS WITH PROGRESS?
then why don't you move to the workers paradise of Sweden, Germany, or the UK? I have been in those countries, its not what you think it is.
Define socialism
To you....socialism is any time the government does anything to help the people
sorry, asshole, your hero obozo the great is really more of a marxist collectivist----------look it up ya fricken jerk.
Ok
Point to any Obama policy that could be considered Marxist Collectivist
Do you even know what the words mean?
Obamacare, "I want to redistribute the wealth". "you didn't build that". "fair share" "free jr college" obamaphones.
I could go on for several paragraphs, but maybe you get it--------------probably not.
So NO, you have NOTHING
John Adams, Founding Father and 2nd President; Thoughts on Government, 1776:
"Government is instituted for the common good; for the protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness of the people; and not for the profit, honor, or private interest of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, the people alone have an incontestable, unalienable, and indefeasible right to institute government; and to reform, alter, or totally change the same, when their protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness require it."
When John Adams referred to "the people" he didn't mean all the deadbeats and freeloaders.
