The Big Lie: Republicans use ACA to defend their secret ACHA

[easyt65]

They are literally holding the plan behind their backs and their crowd is cheering how great whatever they have behind their backs is super awesome.

Cc, the GOP has to pass it so you can find out what's in it....

Why do you have a problem with that? Libs thought that was acceptable when they rammed their ACA into law...

 

[Lakhota]

Read it and weep:

Draft of Senate health-care bill would roll back Obamacare taxes, rejigger subsidies

A discussion draft circulating among aides and lobbyists would also dramatically roll back Medicaid, give states wider latitude in opting out of the Affordable Care Act's regulations and eliminate federal funding for Planned Parenthood. While the House bill pegged insurance subsidies to age, the Senate bill would peg them to income as Obamacare did.

 

[The VOR]

Democrats did not debate shit with the GOP, and the American people were NOT allowed to read it / find out what was in it before a vote was cast as promised.

Are you trying to deny Pelosi declared they had to pass it before people could find out was in it?

Gee, if Democrats had been so open about it and had openly debated it for a year, which did NOT happen, why would Pelosi make such a public, highly publicized statement?

Everything Democratic, bad, bad, bad.
Everything Republican, good, good, good.

My side is always right.
Your side is always wrong.

SSDD

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FACT: The ACA had a historic number of hours of debate and amendments during Committee development of the legislations.

• The House process spanned three committees - Energy and Commerce, Ways and means, and Education and Labor - with dozens of hearings over many months.
• Specifically, the House held 79 bipartisan hearings and markups on the health reform bill over the period of an entire year.
• House members spent nearly 100 hours in hearings, heard from 181 witnesses from both sides of the aisle, considered 239 amendments (both Democratic and Republican), and accepted 121 amendments.

FACT: The Senate held dozens of public meetings and hearings in both the Finance and HELP Committees and accepted hundreds of Republican amendments.

• The HELP Committee held 14 bipartisan roundtables, 13 bipartisan hearings, and 20 bipartisan walkthroughs on health reform.
• The HELP Committee considered nearly 300 amendments and accepted more than 160 Republican amendments.

• The Finance Committee held 17 roundtables, summits, and hearings on health reform. The Finance Committee also held 13 member meetings and walkthroughs and 38 meetings and negotiations for a total of 53 meetings on health reform. [Senate Finance Committee, 5/3/10]
• The Finance Committee held a seven-day markup of the bill, the longest Finance Committee markup in 22 years, resulting in a bipartisan 14-to-9 vote to approve the bill. [Senate Finance Committee, 5/3/10]
• The Finance Committee markup resulted in 41 amendments to revise the bill, including 18 by unanimous consent or without objection. [Senate Finance Committee, 10/13/09]

 

[easyt65]

Read it and weep: A discussion draft circulating among aides and lobbyists .

A discussion draft CIRCULATING BETWEEN AIDES AND LOBBYISTS?

BWUHAHAHAHA...

THAT is what you call DEBATING the ACA for a year?!

BWUHAHAHAHA

After the ACA had been passed into law 90% of all the liberals who voted it into law did not even know what was in it.

 

[ClosedCaption]

They are literally holding the plan behind their backs and their crowd is cheering how great whatever they have behind their backs is super awesome.

Gee, snowflakes sure whine like little bitches when anyone uses their tactics against them...

See?

This is a guy who claims to hate being kept in the dark until his side says the darkness is good. And viola, darkNess is good...

Except it's still bad when dems did it...but it's good now...except it's not.

The point is that being kept in the dark is good and bad depending on who is flipping the switch.

 

[Avatar4321]

They keep saying Democrats did the same thing with Obamacare. That’s not true.

Republican leaders in Washington have come under withering assault for the way they are putting together their bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act ― specifically, for writing the legislation almost entirely behind closed doors, with zero Democratic input, and with plans to hold a vote mere days and maybe mere hours after finalizing the language.

Some Republican senators say they, too, are frustrated by the process. But so far none has seen fit to demand slower, more open deliberations. They say they are inclined to cut their leadership some slack, because ― supposedly ― Democrats acted the exact same way when they first wrote the Affordable Care Act in 2009 and 2010.

Here, for example, was Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) speaking to reporters earlier this week: “We used to complain like hell when the Democrats ran the Affordable Care Act ― now we’re doing the same thing.”

And here was Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.): “We were very polarized because the Democrats did, frankly, exactly the same thing. So we had a very polarized bill that the public debated for years and years. I don’t think the parties are any different. I would give criticism equally to the parties.”

This is nonsense, as historians and the reporters who covered the 2009 and 2010 debate keep pointing out.

Yes, Democrats cut plenty of backroom deals and pulled plenty of legislative tricks to get their bill through Congress. That’s how complicated legislation always comes together. And, yes, Democrats ultimately passed the Affordable Care Act on a party-line vote.

But what Republicans are doing now is fundamentally different and truly unprecedented for legislation of this consequence.

Democrats spent more than a year debating their proposal out in the open. Five separate committees, three in the House and two in the Senate, held literally hundreds of hours of hearings and produced testimony from experts representing multiple philosophical views and officials from pretty much every group or industry involved with health care. Republicans had opportunities to question those witnesses and to propose amendments, some of which actually ended up in the legislation.

None of this is popular. None of this is what Republicans promised to do. Debating their bill openly would force them to admit that, and so they are trying to avoid public scrutiny for as long as possible.

More: The Big Lie Republicans Are Using To Defend Their Secret Health Care Bill

As this article reminds us, what Republicans are trying to do in secret is nothing like how Obamacare (ACA) was created. If Republicans do pass their secret ACHA - don't they realize they will own it...and have to live with it?

So why didn't you get republicans input before obiecare passed if bipartisanship is so important?

Because he doesn't care about bipartisanship. What he means by bipartisan is you do what we want

 

[Avatar4321]

They keep saying Democrats did the same thing with Obamacare. That’s not true.

Republican leaders in Washington have come under withering assault for the way they are putting together their bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act ― specifically, for writing the legislation almost entirely behind closed doors, with zero Democratic input, and with plans to hold a vote mere days and maybe mere hours after finalizing the language.

Some Republican senators say they, too, are frustrated by the process. But so far none has seen fit to demand slower, more open deliberations. They say they are inclined to cut their leadership some slack, because ― supposedly ― Democrats acted the exact same way when they first wrote the Affordable Care Act in 2009 and 2010.

Here, for example, was Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) speaking to reporters earlier this week: “We used to complain like hell when the Democrats ran the Affordable Care Act ― now we’re doing the same thing.”

And here was Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.): “We were very polarized because the Democrats did, frankly, exactly the same thing. So we had a very polarized bill that the public debated for years and years. I don’t think the parties are any different. I would give criticism equally to the parties.”

This is nonsense, as historians and the reporters who covered the 2009 and 2010 debate keep pointing out.

Yes, Democrats cut plenty of backroom deals and pulled plenty of legislative tricks to get their bill through Congress. That’s how complicated legislation always comes together. And, yes, Democrats ultimately passed the Affordable Care Act on a party-line vote.

But what Republicans are doing now is fundamentally different and truly unprecedented for legislation of this consequence.

Democrats spent more than a year debating their proposal out in the open. Five separate committees, three in the House and two in the Senate, held literally hundreds of hours of hearings and produced testimony from experts representing multiple philosophical views and officials from pretty much every group or industry involved with health care. Republicans had opportunities to question those witnesses and to propose amendments, some of which actually ended up in the legislation.

None of this is popular. None of this is what Republicans promised to do. Debating their bill openly would force them to admit that, and so they are trying to avoid public scrutiny for as long as possible.

More: The Big Lie Republicans Are Using To Defend Their Secret Health Care Bill

As this article reminds us, what Republicans are trying to do in secret is nothing like how Obamacare (ACA) was created. If Republicans do pass their secret ACHA - don't they realize they will own it...and have to live with it?

So why didn't you get republicans input before obiecare passed if bipartisanship is so important?

You're obviously too dumb to be commenting on this thread. Educate yourself. Start by reading the OP very S-L-O-W-L-Y.

Yes. Everyone who doesn't tow the line with every thing you say is stupid. That's the only rational conclusion

With that attitude is it any wonder you keep losing elections. "Vote for us or you're stupid"

 

[edthecynic]

Who knows? We haven't read it. It's long.

The size of the bill was another pet Republican LIE!

 

[Avatar4321]

Thank God another Obama F/U is close to being history and a distant memory.

-Geaux

Yeah, fuck those people who need healthcare.

If they need it so badly why are try waiting for us to provide it?

 

[Lakhota]

Thank God another Obama F/U is close to being history and a distant memory.

-Geaux

Yeah, fuck those people who need healthcare.

If they need it so badly why are try waiting for us to provide it?

Huh?

 

[Lakhota]

 

[Avatar4321]

Thank God another Obama F/U is close to being history and a distant memory.

-Geaux

Yeah, fuck those people who need healthcare.

If they need it so badly why are try waiting for us to provide it?

Huh?

When I need to improve my health the last thing I would do is wait around for the government to take care of it.

Not really sure why recognizing that our health is our responsibility and not someone else's is so heartless. It's the truth. Denial of which leads to nothing but misery

 

[edthecynic]

Turtleman McConnell said they had complete transparency. The lying fuck.

 

[WelfareQueen]

They keep saying Democrats did the same thing with Obamacare. That’s not true.

Republican leaders in Washington have come under withering assault for the way they are putting together their bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act ― specifically, for writing the legislation almost entirely behind closed doors, with zero Democratic input, and with plans to hold a vote mere days and maybe mere hours after finalizing the language.

Some Republican senators say they, too, are frustrated by the process. But so far none has seen fit to demand slower, more open deliberations. They say they are inclined to cut their leadership some slack, because ― supposedly ― Democrats acted the exact same way when they first wrote the Affordable Care Act in 2009 and 2010.

Here, for example, was Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) speaking to reporters earlier this week: “We used to complain like hell when the Democrats ran the Affordable Care Act ― now we’re doing the same thing.”

And here was Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.): “We were very polarized because the Democrats did, frankly, exactly the same thing. So we had a very polarized bill that the public debated for years and years. I don’t think the parties are any different. I would give criticism equally to the parties.”

This is nonsense, as historians and the reporters who covered the 2009 and 2010 debate keep pointing out.

Yes, Democrats cut plenty of backroom deals and pulled plenty of legislative tricks to get their bill through Congress. That’s how complicated legislation always comes together. And, yes, Democrats ultimately passed the Affordable Care Act on a party-line vote.

But what Republicans are doing now is fundamentally different and truly unprecedented for legislation of this consequence.

Democrats spent more than a year debating their proposal out in the open. Five separate committees, three in the House and two in the Senate, held literally hundreds of hours of hearings and produced testimony from experts representing multiple philosophical views and officials from pretty much every group or industry involved with health care. Republicans had opportunities to question those witnesses and to propose amendments, some of which actually ended up in the legislation.

None of this is popular. None of this is what Republicans promised to do. Debating their bill openly would force them to admit that, and so they are trying to avoid public scrutiny for as long as possible.

More: The Big Lie Republicans Are Using To Defend Their Secret Health Care Bill

As this article reminds us, what Republicans are trying to do in secret is nothing like how Obamacare (ACA) was created. If Republicans do pass their secret ACHA - don't they realize they will own it...and have to live with it?

ObungleCare was passed on a tissue of lies. And then Nancy Pelosi said this:

 

[edthecynic]

The ACA was created in backrooms behind locked doors by the Democrats

The lies just keep on coming!
788 amendments were submitted during the ACA’s markup in the Senate Committee for Health, Education, Labor and Pensions committee (HELP). Three quarters of them were filed by the committee’s Republican members, according to John McDonough in his book Inside National Health Reform. Of those, 161 were adopted in whole or revised form. The most famous Republican amendment was the one that required members of Congress and congressional staff to enroll in the government-run option.

 

[Lakhota]

The Democrat's version of health insurance would have been cheaper, simpler and more popular. But we enacted the Republican version. So why are they so upset? Because it is an achievement for the Obama administration.

When today’s Republicans rage against the individual mandate in the Affordable Care Act, it’s useful to recall this was their idea as well.

In 1989, Stuart M. Butler of the conservative Heritage Foundation came up with a plan that would “mandate all households to obtain adequate insurance.”

Insurance companies loved Butler’s plan so much it found its way into several bills introduced by Republican lawmakers in 1993. Among the supporters were senators Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, and Charles Grassley, R-Iowa (who now oppose the mandate under the Affordable Care Act). Newt Gingrich, who became Speaker of the House in 1995, was also a big proponent.

Romney’s heathcare plan in Massachusetts included the same mandate to purchase private insurance. “We got the idea of an individual mandate from [Newt Gingrich], and [Newt] got it from the Heritage Foundation,” said Romney, who thought the mandate “essential for bringing the health care costs down for everyone and getting everyone the health insurance they need.”

So why are today’s Republicans so upset with an Act they designed and their patrons adore? Because it’s the signature achievement of the Obama administration.

There’s a deep irony to all this. Had Democrats stuck to the original Democratic vision and built comprehensive health insurance on Social Security and Medicare, it would have been cheaper, simpler, and more widely accepted by the public. And Republicans would be hollering anyway.

More: The irony of Republican disapproval of Obamacare

Oh, how soon they forget - or choose to ignore.

 

[easyt65]

The GOP version? WTF are you talking about? The ACA is 100% Obama and the DNC.

This disaster was created on lies, and libs are STILL lying about it.

The Senate version of he ACHA will be released today...it does not have to be passed in order for people to find out what is in it.

Libs continue to ask why the GOP won't work with them on it. What would be the use? The Democrats have made it clear they are 100% committed to obstructing EVERYTHING the GOP and President are trying to do.

Libs are also committed to prevent anything being done about the collapsing ACA.

 

[RealDave]

They keep saying Democrats did the same thing with Obamacare. That’s not true.

Republican leaders in Washington have come under withering assault for the way they are putting together their bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act ― specifically, for writing the legislation almost entirely behind closed doors, with zero Democratic input, and with plans to hold a vote mere days and maybe mere hours after finalizing the language.

Some Republican senators say they, too, are frustrated by the process. But so far none has seen fit to demand slower, more open deliberations. They say they are inclined to cut their leadership some slack, because ― supposedly ― Democrats acted the exact same way when they first wrote the Affordable Care Act in 2009 and 2010.

Here, for example, was Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) speaking to reporters earlier this week: “We used to complain like hell when the Democrats ran the Affordable Care Act ― now we’re doing the same thing.”

And here was Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.): “We were very polarized because the Democrats did, frankly, exactly the same thing. So we had a very polarized bill that the public debated for years and years. I don’t think the parties are any different. I would give criticism equally to the parties.”

This is nonsense, as historians and the reporters who covered the 2009 and 2010 debate keep pointing out.

Yes, Democrats cut plenty of backroom deals and pulled plenty of legislative tricks to get their bill through Congress. That’s how complicated legislation always comes together. And, yes, Democrats ultimately passed the Affordable Care Act on a party-line vote.

But what Republicans are doing now is fundamentally different and truly unprecedented for legislation of this consequence.

Democrats spent more than a year debating their proposal out in the open. Five separate committees, three in the House and two in the Senate, held literally hundreds of hours of hearings and produced testimony from experts representing multiple philosophical views and officials from pretty much every group or industry involved with health care. Republicans had opportunities to question those witnesses and to propose amendments, some of which actually ended up in the legislation.

None of this is popular. None of this is what Republicans promised to do. Debating their bill openly would force them to admit that, and so they are trying to avoid public scrutiny for as long as possible.

More: The Big Lie Republicans Are Using To Defend Their Secret Health Care Bill

As this article reminds us, what Republicans are trying to do in secret is nothing like how Obamacare (ACA) was created. If Republicans do pass their secret ACHA - don't they realize they will own it...and have to live with it?

ObungleCare was passed on a tissue of lies. And then Nancy Pelosi said this:

Yet another dumbass Trumpette who is too uninformed to know what Pelosie was talking about.

The bill was online for everyone to read as it progressed through committees.

Quit your fucking lying & admit getting a group of men behind closed doors for weeks is not how Congress is supposed to operate.

Trumpettes are the dumbest people on the planet.

 

[RealDave]

The GOP version? WTF are you talking about? The ACA is 100% Obama and the DNC.

This disaster was created on lies, and libs are STILL lying about it.

The Senate version of he ACHA will be released today...it does not have to be passed in order for people to find out what is in it.

Libs continue to ask why the GOP won't work with them on it. What would be the use? The Democrats have made it clear they are 100% committed to obstructing EVERYTHING the GOP and President are trying to do.

Libs are also committed to prevent anything being done about the collapsing ACA.

Yet another dumbass lying about Pelosie's comment.

If the pathetic Republicans operated this healthcare bill like the Democrats, it would go through the committees for months & take nearly a year. Democrats would be allowed to participate & we would be reading it online during the process.

You lying assholes really need to get better informed.

 

[Darkwind]

ObunglesCare is in it's death throes. Let it die and keep government out of it

And let hundreds of thousands of Americans die, right? How many have to die before you get happy?

You know that this statement is a lie, why do you promote it?