The Big Lie: Republicans use ACA to defend their secret ACHA

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They keep saying Democrats did the same thing with Obamacare. That’s not true.

Republican leaders in Washington have come under withering assault for the way they are putting together their bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act ― specifically, for writing the legislation almost entirely behind closed doors, with zero Democratic input, and with plans to hold a vote mere days and maybe mere hours after finalizing the language.

Some Republican senators say they, too, are frustrated by the process. But so far none has seen fit to demand slower, more open deliberations. They say they are inclined to cut their leadership some slack, because ― supposedly ― Democrats acted the exact same way when they first wrote the Affordable Care Act in 2009 and 2010.

Here, for example, was Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) speaking to reporters earlier this week: “We used to complain like hell when the Democrats ran the Affordable Care Act ― now we’re doing the same thing.”

And here was Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.): “We were very polarized because the Democrats did, frankly, exactly the same thing. So we had a very polarized bill that the public debated for years and years. I don’t think the parties are any different. I would give criticism equally to the parties.”

This is nonsense, as historians and the reporters who covered the 2009 and 2010 debate keep pointing out.

Yes, Democrats cut plenty of backroom deals and pulled plenty of legislative tricks to get their bill through Congress. That’s how complicated legislation always comes together. And, yes, Democrats ultimately passed the Affordable Care Act on a party-line vote.

But what Republicans are doing now is fundamentally different and truly unprecedented for legislation of this consequence.

Democrats spent more than a year debating their proposal out in the open. Five separate committees, three in the House and two in the Senate, held literally hundreds of hours of hearings and produced testimony from experts representing multiple philosophical views and officials from pretty much every group or industry involved with health care. Republicans had opportunities to question those witnesses and to propose amendments, some of which actually ended up in the legislation.

None of this is popular. None of this is what Republicans promised to do. Debating their bill openly would force them to admit that, and so they are trying to avoid public scrutiny for as long as possible.

More: The Big Lie Republicans Are Using To Defend Their Secret Health Care Bill

As this article reminds us, what Republicans are trying to do in secret is nothing like how Obamacare (ACA) was created. If Republicans do pass their secret ACHA - don't they realize they will own it...and have to live with it?
 
Hopefully the trolling, off topic, and flaming will die down and posters will respond to the thread topic in a meaningful and adult way.
 
Hopefully the trolling, off topic, and flaming will die down and posters will respond to the thread topic in a meaningful and adult way.

They fought the ACA every way they could. They also had over 100 amendments and still voted no. They ruined the ACA by continually trying to repeal it and all they now are after is a tax cut for the rich. They truly are deplorable.
 
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Hopefully the trolling, off topic, and flaming will die down and posters will respond to the thread topic in a meaningful and adult way.

They fought the ACA every way they could. They also had over 100 amendments and still voted no. They ruined the ACA by continuing trying to repeal it and all they now are after is a tax cut for the rich. They truly are deplorable.

Thanks for your adult and honest input.
 
Hopefully the trolling, off topic, and flaming will die down and posters will respond to the thread topic in a meaningful and adult way.

The whole concept of this thread is trolling. If the ACA was THAT MUCH out in the open -- How come we were fed these lies and excuses.

1) We won't know what's in the Bill until we pass the bill.
2) If you LIKE your Doctor -- You can Keep your doctor.
3) It's gonna SAVE a ton of money.
4) Who the Fuck was Jonathan Gruber who actually WROTE the law

Hardly any Congress person read it. The Dems REFUSED a request to put it on the Internet for 72 hours before it passed. All those full session hearings you're hearing about are counting the preliminary whining about NEEDING to write a bill. Transparency??? Reasonable debate???

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This was the ACA discussion:

Dems: We want a healthcare bill

The people: The federal government doesn't have the authority to regulate healthcare

Dems: Too bad here is our bill.

P: What's in it?

D: Who knows? We haven't read it. It's long.

P: Isn't that a dereliction of your responsibilities? How do we know what's in it?

D: You have to pass it to find out.

P: (reading the bill) this thing sucks its going raise costs across the board. It will drive insurance bankrupt

D: No it wont. That's not in there. Besides it's suppose bankrupt them.

P: Wait? What? We don't want this piece of crap.

D: Too bad.

P: You don't have the Senate votes

D: Too bad we will just deem it passed as a spending bill.

P: But this is a senate bill and spending bills must start in the house.

D: F you we are doing it anyway.

That's not a debate. And its not a way to get things done.

The GOP is just as guilty
 
It seems to me that I recall the former House Speaker, Nancy Pelosi being asked what the hell was in the 10,000 page (at the time) Obamacare bill and she responded "you can see what's in it after it is passed". Obviously the Speaker, like all the democrats who signed on to it, actually never read the thing. God only knows who wrote it.
 
With all due respect to the Author, Health Care should NOT be in a discussion on Politics! Health care is a very personal decision that is as much reliant on my personal decisions as it is the quality of care.

If I choose to smoke, drink a quart of whiskey a day, have unprotected sex, ride my motorcycle at high speed without a helmet, consume a Large Pizza and six pack for dinner, and refuse police orders, The General Public should not have to pay for the medical consequences I incur. Likewise, I shouldn't be able to purchase Insurance to pay for my actions after the result of reckless behavior.

Somehow people have gotten the idea that GOVERNMENT should take care of them from womb to tomb. But with that also comes restrictions on actions.

I don't need an Insurance company making decisions on my medical care, and I sure as hell don't want to sit in a waiting room for 6 hours while grandma gets her stomach ache diagnosed. She has all day, it costs ME money. When I really need a Doctor, I really need a Doctor, not a two week wait in line behind hypochondriacs.

I need the Federal Government to protect me from EBOLA and Black Plague, but I can take care of the rest myself!
 
They keep saying Democrats did the same thing with Obamacare. That’s not true.

Republican leaders in Washington have come under withering assault for the way they are putting together their bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act ― specifically, for writing the legislation almost entirely behind closed doors, with zero Democratic input, and with plans to hold a vote mere days and maybe mere hours after finalizing the language.

Some Republican senators say they, too, are frustrated by the process. But so far none has seen fit to demand slower, more open deliberations. They say they are inclined to cut their leadership some slack, because ― supposedly ― Democrats acted the exact same way when they first wrote the Affordable Care Act in 2009 and 2010.

Here, for example, was Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) speaking to reporters earlier this week: “We used to complain like hell when the Democrats ran the Affordable Care Act ― now we’re doing the same thing.”

And here was Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.): “We were very polarized because the Democrats did, frankly, exactly the same thing. So we had a very polarized bill that the public debated for years and years. I don’t think the parties are any different. I would give criticism equally to the parties.”

This is nonsense, as historians and the reporters who covered the 2009 and 2010 debate keep pointing out.

Yes, Democrats cut plenty of backroom deals and pulled plenty of legislative tricks to get their bill through Congress. That’s how complicated legislation always comes together. And, yes, Democrats ultimately passed the Affordable Care Act on a party-line vote.

But what Republicans are doing now is fundamentally different and truly unprecedented for legislation of this consequence.

Democrats spent more than a year debating their proposal out in the open. Five separate committees, three in the House and two in the Senate, held literally hundreds of hours of hearings and produced testimony from experts representing multiple philosophical views and officials from pretty much every group or industry involved with health care. Republicans had opportunities to question those witnesses and to propose amendments, some of which actually ended up in the legislation.

None of this is popular. None of this is what Republicans promised to do. Debating their bill openly would force them to admit that, and so they are trying to avoid public scrutiny for as long as possible.

More: The Big Lie Republicans Are Using To Defend Their Secret Health Care Bill

As this article reminds us, what Republicans are trying to do in secret is nothing like how Obamacare (ACA) was created. If Republicans do pass their secret ACHA - don't they realize they will own it...and have to live with it?
So why didn't you get republicans input before obiecare passed if bipartisanship is so important?
 
Turtleman McConnell said they had complete transparency. The lying fuck.
 
They keep saying Democrats did the same thing with Obamacare. That’s not true.

Republican leaders in Washington have come under withering assault for the way they are putting together their bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act ― specifically, for writing the legislation almost entirely behind closed doors, with zero Democratic input, and with plans to hold a vote mere days and maybe mere hours after finalizing the language.

Some Republican senators say they, too, are frustrated by the process. But so far none has seen fit to demand slower, more open deliberations. They say they are inclined to cut their leadership some slack, because ― supposedly ― Democrats acted the exact same way when they first wrote the Affordable Care Act in 2009 and 2010.

Here, for example, was Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) speaking to reporters earlier this week: “We used to complain like hell when the Democrats ran the Affordable Care Act ― now we’re doing the same thing.”

And here was Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.): “We were very polarized because the Democrats did, frankly, exactly the same thing. So we had a very polarized bill that the public debated for years and years. I don’t think the parties are any different. I would give criticism equally to the parties.”

This is nonsense, as historians and the reporters who covered the 2009 and 2010 debate keep pointing out.

Yes, Democrats cut plenty of backroom deals and pulled plenty of legislative tricks to get their bill through Congress. That’s how complicated legislation always comes together. And, yes, Democrats ultimately passed the Affordable Care Act on a party-line vote.

But what Republicans are doing now is fundamentally different and truly unprecedented for legislation of this consequence.

Democrats spent more than a year debating their proposal out in the open. Five separate committees, three in the House and two in the Senate, held literally hundreds of hours of hearings and produced testimony from experts representing multiple philosophical views and officials from pretty much every group or industry involved with health care. Republicans had opportunities to question those witnesses and to propose amendments, some of which actually ended up in the legislation.

None of this is popular. None of this is what Republicans promised to do. Debating their bill openly would force them to admit that, and so they are trying to avoid public scrutiny for as long as possible.

More: The Big Lie Republicans Are Using To Defend Their Secret Health Care Bill

As this article reminds us, what Republicans are trying to do in secret is nothing like how Obamacare (ACA) was created. If Republicans do pass their secret ACHA - don't they realize they will own it...and have to live with it?
So why didn't you get republicans input before obiecare passed if bipartisanship is so important?
Lying fuck, Republican leadership punished any Republican see as helping with the ACA. Republicans were NEVER locked out.
 
They keep saying Democrats did the same thing with Obamacare. That’s not true.

Republican leaders in Washington have come under withering assault for the way they are putting together their bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act ― specifically, for writing the legislation almost entirely behind closed doors, with zero Democratic input, and with plans to hold a vote mere days and maybe mere hours after finalizing the language.

Some Republican senators say they, too, are frustrated by the process. But so far none has seen fit to demand slower, more open deliberations. They say they are inclined to cut their leadership some slack, because ― supposedly ― Democrats acted the exact same way when they first wrote the Affordable Care Act in 2009 and 2010.

Here, for example, was Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) speaking to reporters earlier this week: “We used to complain like hell when the Democrats ran the Affordable Care Act ― now we’re doing the same thing.”

And here was Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.): “We were very polarized because the Democrats did, frankly, exactly the same thing. So we had a very polarized bill that the public debated for years and years. I don’t think the parties are any different. I would give criticism equally to the parties.”

This is nonsense, as historians and the reporters who covered the 2009 and 2010 debate keep pointing out.

Yes, Democrats cut plenty of backroom deals and pulled plenty of legislative tricks to get their bill through Congress. That’s how complicated legislation always comes together. And, yes, Democrats ultimately passed the Affordable Care Act on a party-line vote.

But what Republicans are doing now is fundamentally different and truly unprecedented for legislation of this consequence.

Democrats spent more than a year debating their proposal out in the open. Five separate committees, three in the House and two in the Senate, held literally hundreds of hours of hearings and produced testimony from experts representing multiple philosophical views and officials from pretty much every group or industry involved with health care. Republicans had opportunities to question those witnesses and to propose amendments, some of which actually ended up in the legislation.

None of this is popular. None of this is what Republicans promised to do. Debating their bill openly would force them to admit that, and so they are trying to avoid public scrutiny for as long as possible.

More: The Big Lie Republicans Are Using To Defend Their Secret Health Care Bill

As this article reminds us, what Republicans are trying to do in secret is nothing like how Obamacare (ACA) was created. If Republicans do pass their secret ACHA - don't they realize they will own it...and have to live with it?
So why didn't you get republicans input before obiecare passed if bipartisanship is so important?

You're obviously too dumb to be commenting on this thread. Educate yourself. Start by reading the OP very S-L-O-W-L-Y.
 
With all due respect to the Author, Health Care should NOT be in a discussion on Politics! Health care is a very personal decision that is as much reliant on my personal decisions as it is the quality of care.

If I choose to smoke, drink a quart of whiskey a day, have unprotected sex, ride my motorcycle at high speed without a helmet, consume a Large Pizza and six pack for dinner, and refuse police orders, The General Public should not have to pay for the medical consequences I incur. Likewise, I shouldn't be able to purchase Insurance to pay for my actions after the result of reckless behavior.

Somehow people have gotten the idea that GOVERNMENT should take care of them from womb to tomb. But with that also comes restrictions on actions.

I don't need an Insurance company making decisions on my medical care, and I sure as hell don't want to sit in a waiting room for 6 hours while grandma gets her stomach ache diagnosed. She has all day, it costs ME money. When I really need a Doctor, I really need a Doctor, not a two week wait in line behind hypochondriacs.

I need the Federal Government to protect me from EBOLA and Black Plague, but I can take care of the rest myself!

Good for you. Not everyone can.
 
They keep saying Democrats did the same thing with Obamacare. That’s not true.

Republican leaders in Washington have come under withering assault for the way they are putting together their bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act ― specifically, for writing the legislation almost entirely behind closed doors, with zero Democratic input, and with plans to hold a vote mere days and maybe mere hours after finalizing the language.

Some Republican senators say they, too, are frustrated by the process. But so far none has seen fit to demand slower, more open deliberations. They say they are inclined to cut their leadership some slack, because ― supposedly ― Democrats acted the exact same way when they first wrote the Affordable Care Act in 2009 and 2010.

Here, for example, was Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) speaking to reporters earlier this week: “We used to complain like hell when the Democrats ran the Affordable Care Act ― now we’re doing the same thing.”

And here was Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.): “We were very polarized because the Democrats did, frankly, exactly the same thing. So we had a very polarized bill that the public debated for years and years. I don’t think the parties are any different. I would give criticism equally to the parties.”

This is nonsense, as historians and the reporters who covered the 2009 and 2010 debate keep pointing out.

Yes, Democrats cut plenty of backroom deals and pulled plenty of legislative tricks to get their bill through Congress. That’s how complicated legislation always comes together. And, yes, Democrats ultimately passed the Affordable Care Act on a party-line vote.

But what Republicans are doing now is fundamentally different and truly unprecedented for legislation of this consequence.

Democrats spent more than a year debating their proposal out in the open. Five separate committees, three in the House and two in the Senate, held literally hundreds of hours of hearings and produced testimony from experts representing multiple philosophical views and officials from pretty much every group or industry involved with health care. Republicans had opportunities to question those witnesses and to propose amendments, some of which actually ended up in the legislation.

None of this is popular. None of this is what Republicans promised to do. Debating their bill openly would force them to admit that, and so they are trying to avoid public scrutiny for as long as possible.

More: The Big Lie Republicans Are Using To Defend Their Secret Health Care Bill

As this article reminds us, what Republicans are trying to do in secret is nothing like how Obamacare (ACA) was created. If Republicans do pass their secret ACHA - don't they realize they will own it...and have to live with it?



Yawn.

 
Hopefully the trolling, off topic, and flaming will die down and posters will respond to the thread topic in a meaningful and adult way.

The whole concept of this thread is trolling. If the ACA was THAT MUCH out in the open -- How come we were fed these lies and excuses.

1) We won't know what's in the Bill until we pass the bill.
2) If you LIKE your Doctor -- You can Keep your doctor.
3) It's gonna SAVE a ton of money.
4) Who the Fuck was Jonathan Gruber who actually WROTE the law

Hardly any Congress person read it. The Dems REFUSED a request to put it on the Internet for 72 hours before it passed. All those full session hearings you're hearing about are counting the preliminary whining about NEEDING to write a bill. Transparency??? Reasonable debate???

quote-lack-of-transparency-is-a-huge-political-advantage-call-it-the-stupidity-of-the-american-jonathan-gruber-124-87-92.jpg




Your dishonest and out of context diversions don't help put lipstick on the Republican ACHA pig.
 

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