The Bible as Science

Arent you the one who claimed there must be extraterrestrial life because we have no evidence of extraterrestrial life therefore it is scientifically proven that there is extraterrestrial life?
No, but thanks for asking!
Or were you the one who denied life only started once because there is no evidence life started more than once?
No, but thanks for asking!

Sure you did. You pretended to advance a scientific mindset then resorted to your “intuition”.
Life on earth started once by any and all evidence. That is science.
Your intuition that life started more than once is not science. It is fantasy. Same with your fantasies of extraterrestrial life.
I made none of those claims. You made them up , precisely because you are an intellectual sissy steeped in absurd, magical thinking who invents low hanging fruit to play with.


Magical thinking being this statement of fact I suppose?

“We only have evidence that life developed once in the history of the Universe. Anything else is speculation “

If that is magical thinking then drop your “intuition” and get real sciencey here to prove why you disagree. And you did disagree.
 
Magical thinking being this statement of fact I suppose?
Then you are acting a fool, because it is clear that I am referring to your supernatural claims, to which your are 100% beholden.

You see your fears threatening you in everything you don’t understand. I made a statement of scientific fact. You, being a superstitious and illogical person, shy from it because of you fear where it may lead.
That fear unhinged you and made you substitute “intuition” (your word) for scientific fact.
Life started once so far as science knows. It is a special case so far as science knows. If you fear, like medieval peasants, where that knowledge may take you then flee. But don’t attack your betters for not sharing your prejudices.
 
I made a statement of scientific fact.
I wasn't disagreeing with the statement you keep posting like a damn parrot. You want to insist that I was, because you are playng your little game.
Life started once so far as science knows.

You mean, as far as we know. Science doesn't "know things". Nitpicky, yes, but an important distinction nonetheless.
 
I made a statement of scientific fact.
I wasn't disagreeing with the statement you keep posting like a damn parrot. You want to insist that I was, because you are playng your little game.
Life started once so far as science knows.

You mean, as far as we know. Science doesn't "know things". Nitpicky, yes, but an important distinction nonetheless.

Nope. The nitpicking of a cornered pedant.
Here...I’ll through sum spellin errers in for you. Have fun.
 
Life’s origin was a singular, mysterious event in the universe. There are implications to that fact. Live with it. Or don’t.
 
I made a statement of scientific fact.
I wasn't disagreeing with the statement you keep posting like a damn parrot. You want to insist that I was, because you are playng your little game.
Life started once so far as science knows.

You mean, as far as we know. Science doesn't "know things". Nitpicky, yes, but an important distinction nonetheless.

Nope. The nitpicking of a cornered pedant.
Here...I’ll through sum spellin errers in for you. Have fun.
Buy it....you didnt corner me...you whined like that I was dsagreeing with a statement with which I actually agreed...now you are nonplussed.
 
It's called a theory for a good reason, dumb deer

As Stephen Hawking says, it's impossible to ever prove a scientific theory so there aren't really any scientific laws only theories that become more accepted as more evidence is found to support it

Religion doesn't require proof, just faith

:popcorn:
Theories fail when evidence shows them to be in error. Theories also fail when evidence that should exist to support the theory does not exist. The theory of evolution contains many such failures.

Transitional models necessary for evolution from the primitive models to the current models should not just exist in the fossil record, but should still exist in some form today. Not all, but many. The idea that a viable creature that had thrived for thousands of years, should just die out and disappear because a new model emerged, is nonsense.
 
Every place that has been described in the Bible has been found. Places that modern archaeologists had no idea about were found when they were looked for.
EVERY place? Are you sure about that? And we relied SOLELY on the bible for some of these places?

Really?

And your post doesn't really address the myriad inaccuracies found in the Bible, now does it? Even getting 60% right on a test is a miserable fail, you know.

"My bias": The list of the many historical inaccuracies found in the bible is not "opinion". Those are facts, as much as facts can be known. That has absolutely nothing to do with what I had for breakfast today. That was a lame ad hominem on your part. If any bias is here to be detected, it's in the person claiming some sort of 'notable accuracy' in the face of so man facts to the contrary. That would be you... again, as the facts demonstrate. No opinions required there, friend.






Pretty much every place in the Bible that is checked, yes. Currently the hit rate is over 70% and the ones that have missed the archaeologists feel it is due to their mistakes. As far as historical inaccuracies go, list a couple so we can have a look at what you mean.
 
Or,....Science: A Witness Attesting To Biblical Accuracy
Science is the collection of correct knowledge. Whether it is 'correct' is determined via empirical data, and the scientific method.

The historical accuracy of the Bible is proven by the science of archaeology....and, the, astounding as it is, the modern views of cosmology, the study of the origin of the universe, also verifies the Bible.
I'll get to that....


First.....the reason this post is necessary: the political milieu.

1.To be an adherent to the various iterations of the Left....Communism, Fascism, Liberalism, Socialism, Progressivism, or Nazism....one must engage in a full court press against the Bible, and against religion.

Here's the view:
a. "Just because any religious idea, any idea of any god at all, any flirtation even with a god, is the most inexpressible foulness, particularly tolerantly (and often even favourably) accepted by the democratic bourgeoisie—for that very reason it is the most dangerous foulness, the most shameful “infection.” A million physical sins, dirty tricks, acts of violence and infections are much more easily discovered by the crowd, and therefore are much less dangerous, than the nubile, spiritual idea of god, dressed up in the most attractive “ideological” costumes."
Letter from Lenin to Maxim Gorky,
Written on November 13 or 14, 1913 Lenin 55. TO MAXIM GORKY

Here's the reason for the view:
b. "There is no God
This concept is an essential element of Marxism. As Lenin stated: "Atheism is a natural and inseparable portion of Marxism, of the theory and practice of Scientific Socialism." If God exists and is in supreme command of the universe, He possesses discretionary power, and His actions cannot always be calculated accurately in advance. The whole edifice of Marxism collapses.
When Marx and the Communists deny the existence of God, they simultaneously deny the authority of the Ten Commandments, the existence of absolute standards of right and wrong, of good and evil; and man is left on the playing fields of the universe without a referee, without a book of rules. The winning side in any conflict can decide on what rules of conduct to apply. Morality is the creation of the victor.
The Schwarz Report | Essays

Most scientists believe in God.


2. One of the oblique attacks is by atheistic/Marxist academics....many are referred to as 'historians'....who make a career out of attacks on the historicity of the Bible. The subtext is that if events in the Bible can be cast as false, well....perhaps the less astute would agree with the Left that the rules for life must be as well.



Archaeology, though has often sunk that boat.
As in this case: King Belshazzar.

"Of all the books of the Bible, perhaps none has suffered so many attacks from the historical critical school as the Book of Daniel. Virtually every story in the book has been derided as a fanciful post-Exile invention."
The Belshazzar Problem

This, for example:
"Belshazzar the king made a great feast for a thousand of his nobles: and every one drank according to his age" (Dan. 5:1).

"And being now drunk he commanded that they should bring the vessels of gold and silver which Nebuchadnezzar his father had brought away out of the temple" (Dan. 5:2).

"That very night Belshazzar, king of the Babylonians, was slain. And Darius the Mede succeeded to the kingdom" (Dan. 5:31).



So....according to the Bible, Belshazzar was King of Babylonians, son of Nebuchadnezzar, and he was killed by the Persians.

a. "Since the 19th century, some historians such as Robert Dick Wilson and W. H. Stevenson have disputed Belshazzar's reign as a king."
Belshazzar - Wikipedia



So....short of calling 'GhostBusters,' who ya' gonna believe?
I'll answer that next.





As a book of "science" it lacks credibility.. However, in the field of history of ancient man in the Middle East, it is quite good.


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Curious, the author of Genesis lived in a landlocked region; and Moses wandered in the desert, not along the coast. Yet…sea and land appear in this prominent position in Genesis. Must be a coincidence….










Oh? Moses only wandered in the desert? What about his life in Egypt before that? The Bible was written by men. That is why there are conflicting viewpoints within the book. It is not the unerring word of God. If it were there would be no conflict within the work. The Bible as it is now presented was further a consensus where the later church men chose which books to include within the book. That happened around the year 800 IIRC.

As I said, the Old Testament is a remarkably accurate presentation of ancient history. Wherever archaeologists have checked the ground where the Bible says something happened, they have found evidence to support the Bible. I find that truly astounding. In the realm of science though, with one exception, the Bible is not an accurate presentation of what we now know to be factual.

That one exception is the creation of the Universe. In that one area the bible and the cosmologists are remarkably consistent. In the beginning there was nothing.....And then there was light. According to the religious folks the light was created by God. According to the cosmologists that light was the spontaneous "creation" of the universe from a singularity the size of a proton.

Both models are faith based. A God created everything, or all matter in the entire universe sprang forth from a point the size of one half of an atoms nucleus.

Have you seen this?


The latest research goes even further in backing the Bible....


1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep.

And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.

And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. Genesis 1:1-4


2. Wait....' God was hovering over the face of the waters.'

That line comes before 'Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.'


Over what waters????

Waters before the creation of the sun????


Could it be????


Yup....could be......so says the latest scientific research.





3. "Earth’s Water Is Older Than the Sun

The sun, at 4.6 billion years old, predates all the other bodies in our solar system. But it turns out that much of the water we swim in and drink here on Earth is even older.

A new model of the chemistry of the early solar system finds that up to half the water now on Earth was inherited from an abundant supply of interstellar ice as our sun formed. That means our solar system’s moisture wasn’t the result of local conditions in the proto-planetary disk, but rather a regular feature of planetary formation ....

Interstellar ice has a very high ratio of deuterium to hydrogen because it formed in very cold temperatures.

... researchers estimate, 30 to 50 percent of our solar system’s water was already a part of the ancient molecular cloud that spawned the Sun and planets. They published their findings today in the journal Science.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d...ths-water-is-older-than-the-sun/#.Wgyt8lWnGcM

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4. "Discover is an American general audience science magazine launched in October 1980 by Time Inc. It has been owned by Kalmbach Publishing since 2010.

Discover was created primarily through the efforts of Time magazine editor Leon Jaroff. He noticed that magazine sales jumped every time the cover featured a science topic. ... in 1971, he began agitating for the creation of a science-oriented magazine....Discover was originally launched into a burgeoning market for science magazines aimed at educated non-professionals, intended to be easier to read than Scientific American but more detailed and science-oriented than Popular Science.[4] " Discover (magazine) - Wikipedia


5. The following was a comment in Discover Magazine following the article "Earth’s Water Is Older Than the Sun"

Read Genesis 1:2-3. Interesting how God explained through Moses that prior to the Light (sun) he hovered over the waters... Just remember the One who created the heavens and the earth inspired men to write the bible. Science will always prove the bible. And no, the earth is not 7000 years old, and the bible does not say it is!!!

Genesis 1-2New International Version (NIV)

The Beginning

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d...r-is-older-than-the-sun/#.Wgyt8lWnGcM/comment
 
However, in the field of history of ancient man in the Middle East, it is quite
In what way? It is rife with historical inaccuracies, and any true information in it is only know to be turue because it can be found in other, better sources. That doesn't make it good at all, much less "quite good".

Let's put it another way: if you were forced to take a test on the human history of the bronze age middle east, and the only source afforded to you was the Bible, you would fail that test in spectacular fashion.





Every place that has been described in the Bible has been found. Places that modern archaeologists had no idea about were found when they were looked for. You allow you bias to color your opinion. That is stupid.
Eden's been found, huh?
 
However, in the field of history of ancient man in the Middle East, it is quite
In what way? It is rife with historical inaccuracies, and any true information in it is only know to be turue because it can be found in other, better sources. That doesn't make it good at all, much less "quite good".

Let's put it another way: if you were forced to take a test on the human history of the bronze age middle east, and the only source afforded to you was the Bible, you would fail that test in spectacular fashion.





Every place that has been described in the Bible has been found. Places that modern archaeologists had no idea about were found when they were looked for. You allow you bias to color your opinion. That is stupid.
Eden's been found, huh?



You mean it wasn't in the 'Worker's Paradise' that the Democrats have been supporting for 70-80 years???????
 
However, in the field of history of ancient man in the Middle East, it is quite
In what way? It is rife with historical inaccuracies, and any true information in it is only know to be turue because it can be found in other, better sources. That doesn't make it good at all, much less "quite good".

Let's put it another way: if you were forced to take a test on the human history of the bronze age middle east, and the only source afforded to you was the Bible, you would fail that test in spectacular fashion.





Every place that has been described in the Bible has been found. Places that modern archaeologists had no idea about were found when they were looked for. You allow you bias to color your opinion. That is stupid.
Eden's been found, huh?






Actually they think they may have an idea of where it might be. Beneath a UNESCO World Heritage Site in southern Iraq. Of course it is christian scholars who believe it, but their evidence is pretty compelling. Especially how the rivers converge as described in the Bible. The problem is the site is under water now.
 
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Pretty much every place in the Bible that is checked, yes.
Butt you didn't say it was a "quite good" map, you said it was a quite good history book. You still have a lot of explaining to do. Because,. frankly, it is rife with historical inaccuracies.
 
However, in the field of history of ancient man in the Middle East, it is quite
In what way? It is rife with historical inaccuracies, and any true information in it is only know to be turue because it can be found in other, better sources. That doesn't make it good at all, much less "quite good".

Let's put it another way: if you were forced to take a test on the human history of the bronze age middle east, and the only source afforded to you was the Bible, you would fail that test in spectacular fashion.





Every place that has been described in the Bible has been found. Places that modern archaeologists had no idea about were found when they were looked for. You allow you bias to color your opinion. That is stupid.
Eden's been found, huh?






Actually they think they may have an idea of where it might be. Beneath a UNESCO World Heritage Site in southern Iraq. Of course it is christian scholars who believe it, but their evidence is pretty compelling. Especially how the rivers converge as described in the Bible. The problem is the site is under water now.
"they" think they know where Eden is? Are you joking?
 
However, in the field of history of ancient man in the Middle East, it is quite
In what way? It is rife with historical inaccuracies, and any true information in it is only know to be turue because it can be found in other, better sources. That doesn't make it good at all, much less "quite good".

Let's put it another way: if you were forced to take a test on the human history of the bronze age middle east, and the only source afforded to you was the Bible, you would fail that test in spectacular fashion.





Every place that has been described in the Bible has been found. Places that modern archaeologists had no idea about were found when they were looked for. You allow you bias to color your opinion. That is stupid.
Eden's been found, huh?






Actually they think they may have an idea of where it might be. Beneath a UNESCO World Heritage Site in southern Iraq. Of course it is christian scholars who believe it, but their evidence is pretty compelling. Especially how the rivers converge as described in the Bible. The problem is the site is under water now.
"they" think they know where Eden is? Are you joking?






No, I'm not. The Garden of Eden was a place. It wasn't the mythical place that it has become, but it was a place at one time. There is an ancestral memory of it from before the written record, but the bardic traditions kept its memory alive. The bottom of the Persian Gulf has a confluence of rivers just as described in the Bible. That is a simple fact, further, it is such an unusual combination of geographic features that the theory is compelling.

of course you actually have to read what they have to say, and then do some research on your own to verify their claims, but we all know you folks don't do research, you merely parrot what your masters tell you to...
 

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