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Islam recognizes both the Christian Bible and the Jewish Holy book as Holy Books. Why? Because they worship the same God.
Christians recognize the Jewish Holy book as well. Why? Because they worship the same God as the Jews.
So all 3 religions worship the same God. They just each think he said or did something different.
Why do people keep typing, ( G-D ) ?
Because they're Jews. They don't pronounce what they believe to be the name of God, "YHWH", and some of them decided to extend this practice to the English language for some reason.
Islam has no connection to Abraham beyond Mohammad's claim.
He is not of the blood line .
Islam assures that Jews and Christians do not worship Islams "god".
Islam is Mohammed's invention to essentially steal religion and the title of "prophet"
Mate it's all inventions to me. I just don't like bullshit about people's religions, bullshit based on bigotry.
Islam has no connection to Abraham beyond Mohammad's claim.
He is not of the blood line .
Islam assures that Jews and Christians do not worship Islams "god".
Islam is Mohammed's invention to essentially steal religion and the title of "prophet"
Mate it's all inventions to me. I just don't like bullshit about people's religions, bullshit based on bigotry.
False claims of bigotry are an insufficient answer to Islams genocidal ideology.
Why do people keep typing, ( G-D ) ?
Because they're Jews. They don't pronounce what they believe to be the name of God, "YHWH", and some of them decided to extend this practice to the English language for some reason.
"Some reason" is probably based on respect for God.
Because they're Jews. They don't pronounce what they believe to be the name of God, "YHWH", and some of them decided to extend this practice to the English language for some reason.
"Some reason" is probably based on respect for God.
The consensus among Orthodox Jews seems to be that this doesn't apply to any language but Hebrew...
From this thread there seems to be only a couple of logical conclustions. only 1 of the 3 religions is correct or none of the 3 religions are correct.
1 god 3 different methods of worship which are so radically different...
In Mr Fitnah's thread concerning Koranic exhortations to violence (contested) it occurred to me that a good look at the three Abrahamic religions might be useful. As I said in that thread my knowledge is scant, but I'll say what I think I know and wait for more information.
As I understand it Abraham, a Hebrew, was visited by God and possibly began the first (apparently there's some thought that there were earlier ideas of monotheism but not sure) monotheistic religion based on revelations from God. That became Judaism.
Then Yeshua, who was called Jesus Christ, the Anointed One, came along as an Aramaic-speaking Jew and preached and drew followers. In His name Christianity developed from its Judaic roots.
Much later, 7th Century (?) CE, Mohammed was visited by the Archangel Gabriel who revealed the Koran to the Prophet. Allah/God was a bit annoyed that the earlier two Abrahamic religions which worshipped Him had gone off the rails a bit and the Prophet had revealed to him the Koran so that he could begin to set people right.
The point I made in Mr F's thread was that adherents of the three religions are essentially worshipping the same God. There are major doctrinal differences though. But the object of veneration is the same God.
If it were the same god, the same god would have said the same thing to all three. The fact of the matter is, he did. It's called the BIBLE. Some listened some didn't.
Muslims are busy worshiping a fallen star (Satan) while some Jews are still trying to approach G-d through their own works and righteousness just as Cain did ~6000 years ago.
From this thread there seems to be only a couple of logical conclustions. only 1 of the 3 religions is correct or none of the 3 religions are correct.
1 god 3 different methods of worship which are so radically different...
But what interests me is the commonalities and the differences and how the religions and the societies in which they were embedded developed over time.
Islam has no connection to Abraham beyond Mohammad's claim.
He is not of the blood line .
Islam assures that Jews and Christians do not worship Islams "god".
Islam is Mohammed's invention to essentially steal religion and the title of "prophet"
Mate it's all inventions to me. I just don't like bullshit about people's religions, bullshit based on bigotry.
False claims of bigotry are an insufficient answer to Islams genocidal ideology.
From this thread there seems to be only a couple of logical conclustions. only 1 of the 3 religions is correct or none of the 3 religions are correct.
1 god 3 different methods of worship which are so radically different...
But what interests me is the commonalities and the differences and how the religions and the societies in which they were embedded developed over time.
Ahh, but look at the differences in Christianity alone that have developed over time.
this leads me to believe that they are all 3 wrong.
But what interests me is the commonalities and the differences and how the religions and the societies in which they were embedded developed over time.
Ahh, but look at the differences in Christianity alone that have developed over time.
this leads me to believe that they are all 3 wrong.
Yes, the differences in Christianity are interesting, but I have this feeling that that's been a good thing. I don't mean in a theological sense, I mean in a secular manner and I'm connecting that to the advancement of humanity in Christian Europe. Sometimes, theologically speaking, those changes are good, I think Luther was appalled at the corruption in the Church when he nailed his challenge to the door. The Reformation followed and I wonder if that wasn't a filip to human intellectual development.
Ahh, but look at the differences in Christianity alone that have developed over time.
this leads me to believe that they are all 3 wrong.
Yes, the differences in Christianity are interesting, but I have this feeling that that's been a good thing. I don't mean in a theological sense, I mean in a secular manner and I'm connecting that to the advancement of humanity in Christian Europe. Sometimes, theologically speaking, those changes are good, I think Luther was appalled at the corruption in the Church when he nailed his challenge to the door. The Reformation followed and I wonder if that wasn't a filip to human intellectual development.
Ohh I agree with you on Luther. However that does not explain Mormons, Jehovas witnesses, etc and all think they are correct.
However that is not possible.
I spent the first 16 years of my life in a pentecostal church (same sect as Palin) and was taught that only our variety of Christian was correct and going to heaven.
However I have seen many changes just in that denomination just in my lifetime.
8:39
And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allâh) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allâh Alone [in the whole of the world[]]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allâh), then certainly, Allâh is All-Seer of what they do
2:193.
And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allâh) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allâh (Alone).[] But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zâlimûn (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc193
http://www.ummah.com/what-is-islam/quran/noble/
Tafsir.com Tafsir Ibn Kathir
Tafsir.com Tafsir Ibn Kathir
Tafsir.com Tafsir Ibn Kathir
Luther's humanity is questionable when you consider how increasingly anti-Semitic he became.Yes, the differences in Christianity are interesting, but I have this feeling that that's been a good thing. I don't mean in a theological sense, I mean in a secular manner and I'm connecting that to the advancement of humanity in Christian Europe. Sometimes, theologically speaking, those changes are good, I think Luther was appalled at the corruption in the Church when he nailed his challenge to the door. The Reformation followed and I wonder if that wasn't a filip to human intellectual development.
Luther's humanity is questionable when you consider how increasingly anti-Semitic he became.Yes, the differences in Christianity are interesting, but I have this feeling that that's been a good thing. I don't mean in a theological sense, I mean in a secular manner and I'm connecting that to the advancement of humanity in Christian Europe. Sometimes, theologically speaking, those changes are good, I think Luther was appalled at the corruption in the Church when he nailed his challenge to the door. The Reformation followed and I wonder if that wasn't a filip to human intellectual development.
He couldn't stand kosher food either.
"A few years later, in 1528, Luther reported a nearly fatal bout of diarrhea brought on by his consumption of Kosher food. In a letter to Melancthon, Luther suggested that the Jewish community had attempted to poison him. Luther further suggested that Kosher foods, which he believed to be disagreeable with the constitution of Gentiles, were eaten by the Jews (who, presumably, would not experience adverse effects from their consumption) as a show of superiority over the Gentiles and as a means of separating themselves from the mainstream German culture. He suggested that Kosher foods be banned from Christian nations."
Martin Luther and antisemitism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
8:39
And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allâh) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allâh Alone [in the whole of the world[]]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allâh), then certainly, Allâh is All-Seer of what they do
2:193.
And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allâh) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allâh (Alone).[] But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zâlimûn (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc193
http://www.ummah.com/what-is-islam/quran/noble/
Tafsir.com Tafsir Ibn Kathir
Tafsir.com Tafsir Ibn Kathir
Tafsir.com Tafsir Ibn Kathir
The reference I can find is in the Surah The Spoils and it looks to me to be a specific exhortation following the Battle of Badr. Could it possibly be related simply to the specific struggle Mohammed and his followers were having in Arabia at that time? I can't see a generalised exhortation to Muslims to kill non-believers in that Surah. Not saying it's not there, just saying I can't discern it.
