The 2015 Israeli legislative (Knesset) election thread

[Mindful]

What do you mean, "invaded by the British"? You WERE British.

British troops invaded our land by sea. That's what I was referring to. Don't play stupid.

You're not even playing.

How can the British invade their own lands?

When we signed the declaration of Independence it was no longer their lands you troll. Now you go on ignore. bye bye

You just want a fight? Yelling at someone and calling them a troll doesn't cut it. It was a rebellion at that stage. And the British didn't recognise it.

My point exactly. The British recognizing it was irrelevant. I choose to look at things from an American perspective and they were looking at it as invading their land that they worked hard on to try to take and kill them on.

Next time don't argue with me. I'm just too smart.

I'm not arguing with you. Just telling you how it is/was .

How did you read what I said if you put me in Iggy? Not very smart. lol

 

[Coyote]

The Palestinians are people too. No matter how hard you "pro-Israeli's" try to make them less than.

If they are innocent people who believe in the same things like freedom and the ability for a better life of prosper then they need to show they are willing to fight for it. You don't do that by saying you will annihilate one of the most peaceful countries and people in the world in Israel. You do that by fighting to the death your own leadership that is preventing peace with a country like Israel and the USA.

Israel is NOT one of the most peaceful countries and people in the world.

That is part of the problem.

We did it in 1776. Others should be willing to do it also if they find their freedoms being controlled. This is the standard we should have. Should they get to this point they will have USA and likely Israel's support.

....now this seems contradictory....does this mean you support the Palestinian violence as a means towards obtaining freedom?

 

[Judicial review]

The Palestinians are people too. No matter how hard you "pro-Israeli's" try to make them less than.

If they are innocent people who believe in the same things like freedom and the ability for a better life of prosper then they need to show they are willing to fight for it. You don't do that by saying you will annihilate one of the most peaceful countries and people in the world in Israel. You do that by fighting to the death your own leadership that is preventing peace with a country like Israel and the USA.

Israel is NOT one of the most peaceful countries and people in the world.

That is part of the problem.

We did it in 1776. Others should be willing to do it also if they find their freedoms being controlled. This is the standard we should have. Should they get to this point they will have USA and likely Israel's support.

....now this seems contradictory....does this mean you support the Palestinian violence as a means towards obtaining freedom?

No because they want to wipe out isreal from existence. We never wanted to do that. Big difference.

 

[Coyote]

The Palestinians are people too. No matter how hard you "pro-Israeli's" try to make them less than.

If they are innocent people who believe in the same things like freedom and the ability for a better life of prosper then they need to show they are willing to fight for it. You don't do that by saying you will annihilate one of the most peaceful countries and people in the world in Israel. You do that by fighting to the death your own leadership that is preventing peace with a country like Israel and the USA.

Israel is NOT one of the most peaceful countries and people in the world.

That is part of the problem.

We did it in 1776. Others should be willing to do it also if they find their freedoms being controlled. This is the standard we should have. Should they get to this point they will have USA and likely Israel's support.

....now this seems contradictory....does this mean you support the Palestinian violence as a means towards obtaining freedom?

No because they want to wipe out isreal from existence. We never wanted to do that. Big difference.

We wanted to drive the British out of the colonies and - by extension wipe Britain from America's existence.

The other thing is - they don't all want to "wipe Israel from existence" - they want a state and at one time, polls showed they preferred a two-state solution. As the prospect of that became less and less likely preference has changed to a one state solution. Ironically, that seems to be what Israel wants as well though their ideas on what that would like like are far aparat.

 

[Judicial review]

The Palestinians are people too. No matter how hard you "pro-Israeli's" try to make them less than.

If they are innocent people who believe in the same things like freedom and the ability for a better life of prosper then they need to show they are willing to fight for it. You don't do that by saying you will annihilate one of the most peaceful countries and people in the world in Israel. You do that by fighting to the death your own leadership that is preventing peace with a country like Israel and the USA.

Israel is NOT one of the most peaceful countries and people in the world.

That is part of the problem.

We did it in 1776. Others should be willing to do it also if they find their freedoms being controlled. This is the standard we should have. Should they get to this point they will have USA and likely Israel's support.

....now this seems contradictory....does this mean you support the Palestinian violence as a means towards obtaining freedom?

No because they want to wipe out isreal from existence. We never wanted to do that. Big difference.

We wanted to drive the British out of the colonies and - by extension wipe Britain from America's existence.

The other thing is - they don't all want to "wipe Israel from existence" - they want a state and at one time, polls showed they preferred a two-state solution. As the prospect of that became less and less likely preference has changed to a one state solution. Ironically, that seems to be what Israel wants as well though their ideas on what that would like like are far aparat.

No they want Israel wiped out.

 

[Coyote]

The Palestinians are people too. No matter how hard you "pro-Israeli's" try to make them less than.

If they are innocent people who believe in the same things like freedom and the ability for a better life of prosper then they need to show they are willing to fight for it. You don't do that by saying you will annihilate one of the most peaceful countries and people in the world in Israel. You do that by fighting to the death your own leadership that is preventing peace with a country like Israel and the USA.

Israel is NOT one of the most peaceful countries and people in the world.

That is part of the problem.

We did it in 1776. Others should be willing to do it also if they find their freedoms being controlled. This is the standard we should have. Should they get to this point they will have USA and likely Israel's support.

....now this seems contradictory....does this mean you support the Palestinian violence as a means towards obtaining freedom?

No because they want to wipe out isreal from existence. We never wanted to do that. Big difference.

We wanted to drive the British out of the colonies and - by extension wipe Britain from America's existence.

The other thing is - they don't all want to "wipe Israel from existence" - they want a state and at one time, polls showed they preferred a two-state solution. As the prospect of that became less and less likely preference has changed to a one state solution. Ironically, that seems to be what Israel wants as well though their ideas on what that would like like are far aparat.

No they want Israel wiped out.

Not according to Palestinian polls - they want a state: Palestinian Public Opinion Poll No 54 PCPSR

48% support and 51% oppose the two-state solution. But 58% say that the two-state solution is no longer practical due to Israeli settlement expansion and 38% think it is still practical. Similarly, 70% believe that the chances for establishing a Palestinian state next to the state of Israel in the next five years are slim or non-existent. Despite that, only 28% support and 71% oppose the abandonment of the two-state solution and the adoption of the one-state solution. The public is divided over the most effective means of ending occupation and building a Palestinian state: 42% believe that armed confrontation is the most effective means; 26% believe negotiation is the best means, and 28% believe that popular non-violent resistance is the most effective route to statehood.​

This was the latest poll and it's Dec 2014. What's disturbing, but also not surprising given the stalled peace process, reduced hopes of statehood and expansion of settlements going on in occupied land- is an increasing support of violence.

 

[Judicial review]

If they are innocent people who believe in the same things like freedom and the ability for a better life of prosper then they need to show they are willing to fight for it. You don't do that by saying you will annihilate one of the most peaceful countries and people in the world in Israel. You do that by fighting to the death your own leadership that is preventing peace with a country like Israel and the USA.

Israel is NOT one of the most peaceful countries and people in the world.

That is part of the problem.

We did it in 1776. Others should be willing to do it also if they find their freedoms being controlled. This is the standard we should have. Should they get to this point they will have USA and likely Israel's support.

....now this seems contradictory....does this mean you support the Palestinian violence as a means towards obtaining freedom?

No because they want to wipe out isreal from existence. We never wanted to do that. Big difference.

We wanted to drive the British out of the colonies and - by extension wipe Britain from America's existence.

The other thing is - they don't all want to "wipe Israel from existence" - they want a state and at one time, polls showed they preferred a two-state solution. As the prospect of that became less and less likely preference has changed to a one state solution. Ironically, that seems to be what Israel wants as well though their ideas on what that would like like are far aparat.

No they want Israel wiped out.

Not according to Palestinian polls - they want a state: Palestinian Public Opinion Poll No 54 PCPSR

48% support and 51% oppose the two-state solution. But 58% say that the two-state solution is no longer practical due to Israeli settlement expansion and 38% think it is still practical. Similarly, 70% believe that the chances for establishing a Palestinian state next to the state of Israel in the next five years are slim or non-existent. Despite that, only 28% support and 71% oppose the abandonment of the two-state solution and the adoption of the one-state solution. The public is divided over the most effective means of ending occupation and building a Palestinian state: 42% believe that armed confrontation is the most effective means; 26% believe negotiation is the best means, and 28% believe that popular non-violent resistance is the most effective route to statehood.​

This was the latest poll and it's Dec 2014. What's disturbing, but also not surprising given the stalled peace process, reduced hopes of statehood and expansion of settlements going on in occupied land- is an increasing support of violence.

The people don't matter. They aren't the ones in power. Their terrorist leaders are.

 

[Coyote]

Israel is NOT one of the most peaceful countries and people in the world.

That is part of the problem.

....now this seems contradictory....does this mean you support the Palestinian violence as a means towards obtaining freedom?

No because they want to wipe out isreal from existence. We never wanted to do that. Big difference.

We wanted to drive the British out of the colonies and - by extension wipe Britain from America's existence.

The other thing is - they don't all want to "wipe Israel from existence" - they want a state and at one time, polls showed they preferred a two-state solution. As the prospect of that became less and less likely preference has changed to a one state solution. Ironically, that seems to be what Israel wants as well though their ideas on what that would like like are far aparat.

No they want Israel wiped out.

Not according to Palestinian polls - they want a state: Palestinian Public Opinion Poll No 54 PCPSR

48% support and 51% oppose the two-state solution. But 58% say that the two-state solution is no longer practical due to Israeli settlement expansion and 38% think it is still practical. Similarly, 70% believe that the chances for establishing a Palestinian state next to the state of Israel in the next five years are slim or non-existent. Despite that, only 28% support and 71% oppose the abandonment of the two-state solution and the adoption of the one-state solution. The public is divided over the most effective means of ending occupation and building a Palestinian state: 42% believe that armed confrontation is the most effective means; 26% believe negotiation is the best means, and 28% believe that popular non-violent resistance is the most effective route to statehood.​

This was the latest poll and it's Dec 2014. What's disturbing, but also not surprising given the stalled peace process, reduced hopes of statehood and expansion of settlements going on in occupied land- is an increasing support of violence.

The people don't matter. They aren't the ones in power. Their terrorist leaders are.

I disagree. The people do matter.

 

[Judicial review]

No because they want to wipe out isreal from existence. We never wanted to do that. Big difference.

We wanted to drive the British out of the colonies and - by extension wipe Britain from America's existence.

The other thing is - they don't all want to "wipe Israel from existence" - they want a state and at one time, polls showed they preferred a two-state solution. As the prospect of that became less and less likely preference has changed to a one state solution. Ironically, that seems to be what Israel wants as well though their ideas on what that would like like are far aparat.

No they want Israel wiped out.

Not according to Palestinian polls - they want a state: Palestinian Public Opinion Poll No 54 PCPSR

48% support and 51% oppose the two-state solution. But 58% say that the two-state solution is no longer practical due to Israeli settlement expansion and 38% think it is still practical. Similarly, 70% believe that the chances for establishing a Palestinian state next to the state of Israel in the next five years are slim or non-existent. Despite that, only 28% support and 71% oppose the abandonment of the two-state solution and the adoption of the one-state solution. The public is divided over the most effective means of ending occupation and building a Palestinian state: 42% believe that armed confrontation is the most effective means; 26% believe negotiation is the best means, and 28% believe that popular non-violent resistance is the most effective route to statehood.​

This was the latest poll and it's Dec 2014. What's disturbing, but also not surprising given the stalled peace process, reduced hopes of statehood and expansion of settlements going on in occupied land- is an increasing support of violence.

The people don't matter. They aren't the ones in power. Their terrorist leaders are.

I disagree. The people do matter.

Yes they do matter and if they really cared about what you say they'd kick their leadership out or kill them.

 

[Coyote]

We wanted to drive the British out of the colonies and - by extension wipe Britain from America's existence.

The other thing is - they don't all want to "wipe Israel from existence" - they want a state and at one time, polls showed they preferred a two-state solution. As the prospect of that became less and less likely preference has changed to a one state solution. Ironically, that seems to be what Israel wants as well though their ideas on what that would like like are far aparat.

No they want Israel wiped out.

Not according to Palestinian polls - they want a state: Palestinian Public Opinion Poll No 54 PCPSR

48% support and 51% oppose the two-state solution. But 58% say that the two-state solution is no longer practical due to Israeli settlement expansion and 38% think it is still practical. Similarly, 70% believe that the chances for establishing a Palestinian state next to the state of Israel in the next five years are slim or non-existent. Despite that, only 28% support and 71% oppose the abandonment of the two-state solution and the adoption of the one-state solution. The public is divided over the most effective means of ending occupation and building a Palestinian state: 42% believe that armed confrontation is the most effective means; 26% believe negotiation is the best means, and 28% believe that popular non-violent resistance is the most effective route to statehood.​

This was the latest poll and it's Dec 2014. What's disturbing, but also not surprising given the stalled peace process, reduced hopes of statehood and expansion of settlements going on in occupied land- is an increasing support of violence.

The people don't matter. They aren't the ones in power. Their terrorist leaders are.

I disagree. The people do matter.

Yes they do matter and if they really cared about what you say they'd kick their leadership out or kill them.

It's never that simple or black and white. And, right now, they seem to see Hamas as the only option capable of getting them closer to statehood. Negotiations have failed to produce much progress and that is as much Israel's fault as it is the Palestinian side. Their governmental structure is a mess, and corruption is huge.

 

[Judicial review]

No they want Israel wiped out.

Not according to Palestinian polls - they want a state: Palestinian Public Opinion Poll No 54 PCPSR

48% support and 51% oppose the two-state solution. But 58% say that the two-state solution is no longer practical due to Israeli settlement expansion and 38% think it is still practical. Similarly, 70% believe that the chances for establishing a Palestinian state next to the state of Israel in the next five years are slim or non-existent. Despite that, only 28% support and 71% oppose the abandonment of the two-state solution and the adoption of the one-state solution. The public is divided over the most effective means of ending occupation and building a Palestinian state: 42% believe that armed confrontation is the most effective means; 26% believe negotiation is the best means, and 28% believe that popular non-violent resistance is the most effective route to statehood.​

This was the latest poll and it's Dec 2014. What's disturbing, but also not surprising given the stalled peace process, reduced hopes of statehood and expansion of settlements going on in occupied land- is an increasing support of violence.

The people don't matter. They aren't the ones in power. Their terrorist leaders are.

I disagree. The people do matter.

Yes they do matter and if they really cared about what you say they'd kick their leadership out or kill them.

It's never that simple or black and white. And, right now, they seem to see Hamas as the only option capable of getting them closer to statehood. Negotiations have failed to produce much progress and that is as much Israel's fault as it is the Palestinian side. Their governmental structure is a mess, and corruption is huge.

Bullshit. Israel holds the cards so the Palestinians need to sacrifice and their leadership has been unwilling and threats of destroying Israel the palistinain people need to over through their government. Until then they will get nothing from Israel and rightfully so.

 

[Coyote]

Not according to Palestinian polls - they want a state: Palestinian Public Opinion Poll No 54 PCPSR

48% support and 51% oppose the two-state solution. But 58% say that the two-state solution is no longer practical due to Israeli settlement expansion and 38% think it is still practical. Similarly, 70% believe that the chances for establishing a Palestinian state next to the state of Israel in the next five years are slim or non-existent. Despite that, only 28% support and 71% oppose the abandonment of the two-state solution and the adoption of the one-state solution. The public is divided over the most effective means of ending occupation and building a Palestinian state: 42% believe that armed confrontation is the most effective means; 26% believe negotiation is the best means, and 28% believe that popular non-violent resistance is the most effective route to statehood.​

This was the latest poll and it's Dec 2014. What's disturbing, but also not surprising given the stalled peace process, reduced hopes of statehood and expansion of settlements going on in occupied land- is an increasing support of violence.

The people don't matter. They aren't the ones in power. Their terrorist leaders are.

I disagree. The people do matter.

Yes they do matter and if they really cared about what you say they'd kick their leadership out or kill them.

It's never that simple or black and white. And, right now, they seem to see Hamas as the only option capable of getting them closer to statehood. Negotiations have failed to produce much progress and that is as much Israel's fault as it is the Palestinian side. Their governmental structure is a mess, and corruption is huge.

Bullshit. Israel holds the cards so the Palestinians need to sacrifice and their leadership has been unwilling and threats of destroying Israel the palistinain people need to over through their government. Until then they will get nothing from Israel and rightfully so.

True. They live under Israeli occupation and military law.

South Africans overthew their government. Maybe there is a lesson there.

 

[Judicial review]

The people don't matter. They aren't the ones in power. Their terrorist leaders are.

I disagree. The people do matter.

Yes they do matter and if they really cared about what you say they'd kick their leadership out or kill them.

It's never that simple or black and white. And, right now, they seem to see Hamas as the only option capable of getting them closer to statehood. Negotiations have failed to produce much progress and that is as much Israel's fault as it is the Palestinian side. Their governmental structure is a mess, and corruption is huge.

Bullshit. Israel holds the cards so the Palestinians need to sacrifice and their leadership has been unwilling and threats of destroying Israel the palistinain people need to over through their government. Until then they will get nothing from Israel and rightfully so.

True. They live under Israeli occupation and military law.

South Africans overthew their government. Maybe there is a lesson there.

That isn't what i was talking about and you know it.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The Palestinians are people too. No matter how hard you "pro-Israeli's" try to make them less than.

If they are innocent people who believe in the same things like freedom and the ability for a better life of prosper then they need to show they are willing to fight for it. You don't do that by saying you will annihilate one of the most peaceful countries and people in the world in Israel. You do that by fighting to the death your own leadership that is preventing peace with a country like Israel and the USA.

Israel is NOT one of the most peaceful countries and people in the world.

That is part of the problem.

We did it in 1776. Others should be willing to do it also if they find their freedoms being controlled. This is the standard we should have. Should they get to this point they will have USA and likely Israel's support.

....now this seems contradictory....does this mean you support the Palestinian violence as a means towards obtaining freedom?

No because they want to wipe out isreal from existence. We never wanted to do that. Big difference.

We wanted to drive the British out of the colonies and - by extension wipe Britain from America's existence.

The other thing is - they don't all want to "wipe Israel from existence" - they want a state and at one time, polls showed they preferred a two-state solution. As the prospect of that became less and less likely preference has changed to a one state solution. Ironically, that seems to be what Israel wants as well though their ideas on what that would like like are far aparat.

Well except that when they supposedly supported a two state solution Yassar Arafat started a war when Israel tried to give them one TWICE.