Occupation - intolerance - liberation - tolerance - and now called occupation?

[teddyearp]

Yes, this thread is talking about the past, but I find it odd that after the 1948 war when Jordan occupied the West Bank and the Old City, and Egypt occupied the Gaza strip those events are never mentioned. Ever. It is only the current situation where the 'evil' Israelis are 'occupying' those areas.

Let us refresh. When the Jordanians occupied the West Bank and the Old City, all the residents of the West Bank were given Jordanian citizenship whether they wanted it or not. And many of the "Palestinians" were kept in refugee camps and not truly assimilated; unlike the Jews who were at the same time expelled from the neighboring Arab nations into Israel. And to continue, Jews were not allowed into the Old City and the Jewish quarter was totally demolished. Total intolerance towards the Jews, and in most respects towards the Christians who lived in the Old City as well.

The special committee that was to make arrangements for visits to holy places was never formed and Israelis, irrespective of religion, were barred from entering the Old City and other holy sites.[33] The Jewish Quarter and its ancient synagogues were systematically destroyed, and gravestones from the Jewish Cemetery on the Mount of Olives were used to build latrines for Jordanian army barracks.[34][35]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordanian_occupation_of_the_West_Bank#cite_note-35

While there was no major interference in the operation and maintenance of Christian holy places, the Jordanian government did not allow Christian institutions to expand,[16] and banned them from purchasing land.[7][19] Christian churches were prevented from funding hospitals and other social services in Jerusalem.[20]

In the wake of these restrictions, many Christians left East Jerusalem.[16][21]

Links: Jordanian occupation of the West Bank - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Islamization of East Jerusalem under Jordanian occupation - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Now after the six day war, the Old City was effectively liberated. But the Israelis still showed tolerance towards the Temple Mount by allowing the Jordanian (or Islamic) Waqf to administer the site.

After 1967, all religious groups were granted administration over their own holy sites, while administration of the Temple Mount—sacred to Jews, Christians, and Muslims—remained in the hands of the Islamic waqf which had held the responsibility for the previous 800 years.

Link: Jordanian occupation of the West Bank - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

And another 300,000 Palestinians 'fled' to Jordan where they were not assimilated, but kept in 'refugee' camps.

Why is it now called the 'Occupation' by Israel, but there is never a mention at all of the almost 20 years occupation (and much more intolerant rule) of these self same areas?

 

[Billo_Really]

Yes, this thread is talking about the past, but I find it odd that after the 1948 war when Jordan occupied the West Bank and the Old City, and Egypt occupied the Gaza strip those events are never mentioned. Ever. It is only the current situation where the 'evil' Israelis are 'occupying' those areas.

Let us refresh. When the Jordanians occupied the West Bank and the Old City, all the residents of the West Bank were given Jordanian citizenship whether they wanted it or not. And many of the "Palestinians" were kept in refugee camps and not truly assimilated; unlike the Jews who were at the same time expelled from the neighboring Arab nations into Israel. And to continue, Jews were not allowed into the Old City and the Jewish quarter was totally demolished. Total intolerance towards the Jews, and in most respects towards the Christians who lived in the Old City as well.

The special committee that was to make arrangements for visits to holy places was never formed and Israelis, irrespective of religion, were barred from entering the Old City and other holy sites.[33] The Jewish Quarter and its ancient synagogues were systematically destroyed, and gravestones from the Jewish Cemetery on the Mount of Olives were used to build latrines for Jordanian army barracks.[34][35]

While there was no major interference in the operation and maintenance of Christian holy places, the Jordanian government did not allow Christian institutions to expand,[16] and banned them from purchasing land.[7][19] Christian churches were prevented from funding hospitals and other social services in Jerusalem.[20]

In the wake of these restrictions, many Christians left East Jerusalem.[16][21]

Links: Jordanian occupation of the West Bank - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Islamization of East Jerusalem under Jordanian occupation - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Now after the six day war, the Old City was effectively liberated. But the Israelis still showed tolerance towards the Temple Mount by allowing the Jordanian (or Islamic) Waqf to administer the site.

After 1967, all religious groups were granted administration over their own holy sites, while administration of the Temple Mount—sacred to Jews, Christians, and Muslims—remained in the hands of the Islamic waqf which had held the responsibility for the previous 800 years.

Link: Jordanian occupation of the West Bank - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

And another 300,000 Palestinians 'fled' to Jordan where they were not assimilated, but kept in 'refugee' camps.

Why is it now called the 'Occupation' by Israel, but there is never a mention at all of the almost 20 years occupation (and much more intolerant rule) of these self same areas?

It's land seized in the '67 war. Why is that so hard to understand? You cannot hold onto land seized in a war. This has been illegal since the end of WWII.

 

[Vigilante]

Yes, this thread is talking about the past, but I find it odd that after the 1948 war when Jordan occupied the West Bank and the Old City, and Egypt occupied the Gaza strip those events are never mentioned. Ever. It is only the current situation where the 'evil' Israelis are 'occupying' those areas.

Let us refresh. When the Jordanians occupied the West Bank and the Old City, all the residents of the West Bank were given Jordanian citizenship whether they wanted it or not. And many of the "Palestinians" were kept in refugee camps and not truly assimilated; unlike the Jews who were at the same time expelled from the neighboring Arab nations into Israel. And to continue, Jews were not allowed into the Old City and the Jewish quarter was totally demolished. Total intolerance towards the Jews, and in most respects towards the Christians who lived in the Old City as well.

The special committee that was to make arrangements for visits to holy places was never formed and Israelis, irrespective of religion, were barred from entering the Old City and other holy sites.[33] The Jewish Quarter and its ancient synagogues were systematically destroyed, and gravestones from the Jewish Cemetery on the Mount of Olives were used to build latrines for Jordanian army barracks.[34][35]

While there was no major interference in the operation and maintenance of Christian holy places, the Jordanian government did not allow Christian institutions to expand,[16] and banned them from purchasing land.[7][19] Christian churches were prevented from funding hospitals and other social services in Jerusalem.[20]

In the wake of these restrictions, many Christians left East Jerusalem.[16][21]

Links: Jordanian occupation of the West Bank - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Islamization of East Jerusalem under Jordanian occupation - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Now after the six day war, the Old City was effectively liberated. But the Israelis still showed tolerance towards the Temple Mount by allowing the Jordanian (or Islamic) Waqf to administer the site.

After 1967, all religious groups were granted administration over their own holy sites, while administration of the Temple Mount—sacred to Jews, Christians, and Muslims—remained in the hands of the Islamic waqf which had held the responsibility for the previous 800 years.

Link: Jordanian occupation of the West Bank - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

And another 300,000 Palestinians 'fled' to Jordan where they were not assimilated, but kept in 'refugee' camps.

Why is it now called the 'Occupation' by Israel, but there is never a mention at all of the almost 20 years occupation (and much more intolerant rule) of these self same areas?

It's land seized in the '67 war. Why is that so hard to understand? You cannot hold onto land seized in a war. This has been illegal since the end of WWII.

Have you mentioned this to Putin and Crimea?

 

[Billo_Really]

Have you mentioned this to Putin and Crimea?

Don't have to, because they're not.

That's just a big lie.

 

[Vigilante]

Have you mentioned this to Putin and Crimea?

Don't have to, because they're not.

That's just a big lie.

No Fat boy, you're the big lie, apparently your DENIAL OF REALITY of what has happened in Ukraine is associated with your love of the fucking scum that killed almost 3000 Americans on 9/11... the Supposed Palestinians are the SAMNE PEOPLE, the same scum that danced in the streets when it happened.... The muslim dogs NEED to be eradicated, ALL of them, as they teach their young to do the same shit, as soon as they can hold a gun....KILL THEM ALL, and rid the world of the cause of TERROR and AGONY!

 

[toastman]

Have you mentioned this to Putin and Crimea?

Don't have to, because they're not.

That's just a big lie.

Russia invading and occupying Crimea is a lie ?

 

[aris2chat]

Have you mentioned this to Putin and Crimea?

Don't have to, because they're not.

That's just a big lie.

Russia invading and occupying Crimea is a lie ?

maybe if putin had actually hit the nuclear button instead of just coming close.............but that would have been too late.
if not a ton of bricks, perhaps some need to be hit by a meteorite

 

[Phoenall]

Yes, this thread is talking about the past, but I find it odd that after the 1948 war when Jordan occupied the West Bank and the Old City, and Egypt occupied the Gaza strip those events are never mentioned. Ever. It is only the current situation where the 'evil' Israelis are 'occupying' those areas.

Let us refresh. When the Jordanians occupied the West Bank and the Old City, all the residents of the West Bank were given Jordanian citizenship whether they wanted it or not. And many of the "Palestinians" were kept in refugee camps and not truly assimilated; unlike the Jews who were at the same time expelled from the neighboring Arab nations into Israel. And to continue, Jews were not allowed into the Old City and the Jewish quarter was totally demolished. Total intolerance towards the Jews, and in most respects towards the Christians who lived in the Old City as well.

The special committee that was to make arrangements for visits to holy places was never formed and Israelis, irrespective of religion, were barred from entering the Old City and other holy sites.[33] The Jewish Quarter and its ancient synagogues were systematically destroyed, and gravestones from the Jewish Cemetery on the Mount of Olives were used to build latrines for Jordanian army barracks.[34][35]

While there was no major interference in the operation and maintenance of Christian holy places, the Jordanian government did not allow Christian institutions to expand,[16] and banned them from purchasing land.[7][19] Christian churches were prevented from funding hospitals and other social services in Jerusalem.[20]

In the wake of these restrictions, many Christians left East Jerusalem.[16][21]

Links: Jordanian occupation of the West Bank - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Islamization of East Jerusalem under Jordanian occupation - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Now after the six day war, the Old City was effectively liberated. But the Israelis still showed tolerance towards the Temple Mount by allowing the Jordanian (or Islamic) Waqf to administer the site.

After 1967, all religious groups were granted administration over their own holy sites, while administration of the Temple Mount—sacred to Jews, Christians, and Muslims—remained in the hands of the Islamic waqf which had held the responsibility for the previous 800 years.

Link: Jordanian occupation of the West Bank - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

And another 300,000 Palestinians 'fled' to Jordan where they were not assimilated, but kept in 'refugee' camps.

Why is it now called the 'Occupation' by Israel, but there is never a mention at all of the almost 20 years occupation (and much more intolerant rule) of these self same areas?

It's land seized in the '67 war. Why is that so hard to understand? You cannot hold onto land seized in a war. This has been illegal since the end of WWII.

What don't you understand that is is land occupied under the terms of the Geneva conventions and will be given back once the arab muslims decide to talk peace and mutual borders. The arab muslims are holding on to land seized in a war so why aren't you complaining about that ?

 

[Challenger]

...
Why is it now called the 'Occupation' by Israel, but there is never a mention at all of the almost 20 years occupation (and much more intolerant rule) of these self same areas?

Probably because the Jordanian occupation ended in 1967 and is no longer relevant to the current situation; the foreign Zionist occupation and continuing oppression of the Palestinians.

 

[Phoenall]

...
Why is it now called the 'Occupation' by Israel, but there is never a mention at all of the almost 20 years occupation (and much more intolerant rule) of these self same areas?

Probably because the Jordanian occupation ended in 1967 and is no longer relevant to the current situation; the foreign Zionist occupation and continuing oppression of the Palestinians.

How come you refuse to define Zionism yet throw it around as if it was something bad ?

 

[teddyearp]

It's land seized in the '67 war. Why is that so hard to understand? You cannot hold onto land seized in a war. This has been illegal since the end of WWII.

So what was it after or during the 1948 war? Wasn't that land seized by Jordan and Egypt?

 

[Billo_Really]

So what was it after or during the 1948 war? Wasn't that land seized by Jordan and Egypt?

Don't leave out Zionists. They also took land that wasn't theirs as well.

 

[Billo_Really]

Russia invading and occupying Crimea is a lie ?

Crimea chose not to be a part of the Nazi regime in Kiev.

 

[Phoenall]

So what was it after or during the 1948 war? Wasn't that land seized by Jordan and Egypt?

Don't leave out Zionists. They also took land that wasn't theirs as well.

Read the LoN Mandate for Palestine and see who the land was promised to.

Then difine Zionist in your own words ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

It's land seized in the '67 war. Why is that so hard to understand? You cannot hold onto land seized in a war. This has been illegal since the end of WWII.

So what was it after or during the 1948 war? Wasn't that land seized by Jordan and Egypt?

Good question as neither of them were at war with Palestine.

So how did that happen?

 

[P F Tinmore]

So what was it after or during the 1948 war? Wasn't that land seized by Jordan and Egypt?

Don't leave out Zionists. They also took land that wasn't theirs as well.

Read the LoN Mandate for Palestine and see who the land was promised to.

Then difine Zionist in your own words ?

Quote the passages that give the land to anyone.

 

[Phoenall]

It's land seized in the '67 war. Why is that so hard to understand? You cannot hold onto land seized in a war. This has been illegal since the end of WWII.

So what was it after or during the 1948 war? Wasn't that land seized by Jordan and Egypt?

Good question as neither of them were at war with Palestine.

So how did that happen?

Very simple they being part of the arab league were at war with Palestine ( area better known as the Mandate for Palestine ), the Palestine ( area better known as the Mandate for Palestine ) that was to be THE NATIONAL HOME OF THE JEWS. And promptly invaded said Palestine ( area better known as the Mandate for Palestine ) and occupied the land contrary to the UN charter and res 181.

So you once again apply islamonazi logic that just does not work in reality. The arab league invaded land that was not theirs in an attempt at stealing said land contrary to international law, making them the invaders of Jewish land.

 

[Phoenall]

So what was it after or during the 1948 war? Wasn't that land seized by Jordan and Egypt?

Don't leave out Zionists. They also took land that wasn't theirs as well.

Read the LoN Mandate for Palestine and see who the land was promised to.

Then difine Zionist in your own words ?

Quote the passages that give the land to anyone.

How many more times do you want the Mandate for Palestine to be posted on here, are you just ignoring them or are you hoping the islamonazi cyber terrorists have removed the sites.

The Avalon Project The Palestine Mandate


ART. 2.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

ART. 4.
An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

ART. 6.
The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

ART. 7.
The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

 

[P F Tinmore]

So what was it after or during the 1948 war? Wasn't that land seized by Jordan and Egypt?

Don't leave out Zionists. They also took land that wasn't theirs as well.

Read the LoN Mandate for Palestine and see who the land was promised to.

Then difine Zionist in your own words ?

Quote the passages that give the land to anyone.

How many more times do you want the Mandate for Palestine to be posted on here, are you just ignoring them or are you hoping the islamonazi cyber terrorists have removed the sites.

The Avalon Project The Palestine Mandate


ART. 2.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

ART. 4.
An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

ART. 6.
The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

ART. 7.
The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

You are interpreting out of context.

The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced,...

There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.​

The Jews were to be Palestinian citizens and live in Palestine with the rest of the Palestinians.

Where does it say that the Jews were "given" the land?

 

[Phoenall]

So what was it after or during the 1948 war? Wasn't that land seized by Jordan and Egypt?

Don't leave out Zionists. They also took land that wasn't theirs as well.

Read the LoN Mandate for Palestine and see who the land was promised to.

Then difine Zionist in your own words ?

Quote the passages that give the land to anyone.

How many more times do you want the Mandate for Palestine to be posted on here, are you just ignoring them or are you hoping the islamonazi cyber terrorists have removed the sites.

The Avalon Project The Palestine Mandate


ART. 2.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

ART. 4.
An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

ART. 6.
The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

ART. 7.
The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

You are interpreting out of context.

The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced,...

There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.​

The Jews were to be Palestinian citizens and live in Palestine with the rest of the Palestinians.

Where does it say that the Jews were "given" the land?

NOPE I post what the Mandate stipulates, and that is the 22% of Palestine left is to be used as the RESURECTED HOMELAND FOR THE JEWS.

It was not the Jews that started the violence to take the land from the designated owners was it.


ART. 2.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble.

Says the land was for the Jews.

ART. 4.
An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine

Says the land was for the Jews


ART. 6.
The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.


Says the land was for the Jews


Now were in the Mandate for Palestine does it say that the land was to be given to the arab muslims ? In fact where does it mention the arab muslims at all in the Mandate for Palestine ?