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uhhhhh, fyi the Taser was to replace the baton if i am not mistaken, 456 people in north america have died from the taser since it was inacted as a replacement for the baton, the club....
it was never meant to be used in the place of a gun...cops are to use their gun when protocol requres and shoot to kill when protocol requires...
the taser replaced something that never killed any suspects....unless a real exception.
Uu you aremistaken.
How many police officers do you interact with? How much of their training are you familiar with? How much of the force continuum do you know about?
You are talking out of your ass here.
no i am not, it is YOU that has it wrong and any googling on the subject from any reputable source will show you such....and i have 3 immediate or close family members that are cops....to answer your question.
) he is opposed to their use by general duty members.Teen Dies After Officers Use Taser to Subdue Him - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com
The department says officers had been summoned to the facility to investigate a fight involving three people late Friday night.
Police say officers separated the trio but "one of the subjects became combative and a Taser was deployed to control him."
The man was having trouble breathing, and police called paramedics. He was pronounced dead at a hospital about an hour later.
Eventually there will be too much blood on the hands of Tasers for their continued use.
A taser is not a 'tool' it is a torture device.You can't punch a suspect.The two things we need to know are
Probability of death from taser use
Frequency of taser use
As a sample let us go with 1 death per Billion shocks.
Low enough that police can routinely use Tasers without fear of censure.
Rate of use then soars to 20 million cases a day, with multiple shocks routinely used so the number of shocks per day is actually 100 million. That's one death per 10 days, or 36 to 37 per year.
Not too bad. Replace 1 death per Billion with 1 per Million and then, in the sample above, we would get annual numbers (36500) comparable to Auto crash fatality rates (~40000)
If the taser replaces gunfire to the extent of reducing police shooting fatalities by 2000 a year then a 1 per billion rate might make taser use defensible, but a 1 per million would make it heinous.
My suspicion is that IF the rate is closer to 1 per million then that number would be kept suppressed to avoid just such an analysis.
Why should they be able to torture one, under any circumstances?
Its an outright lie to say police NEED torture devices, as has been shown countless times they are often used when police get 'back talk' they don't like, or someone doesn't move fast enough to suit them.
I have yet to see a video of someone attacking a police officer and the only way to stop them is to juice.
I see plenty of them where a police officer says if you don't do exactly what he says he will torture you, and they follow through.
So i ask, why is it a major deal to NOT torture a terrorist but an accepted practise to allow police to routinly torture suspects for things like traffic stops?
You can't punch a suspect, that statement, with respect is meaningless. Police can punch someone for sure, if they're using reasonable force. If they're not using reasonable force then they can't punch someone, suspect or not.
Police should not be permitted to torture people.
Police need the proper tools to do their job. The argument is how some of those tools should be deployed.
Sometimes a Taser is warranted, sometimes a fist or a boot is warranted, sometimes a baton is warranted and sometimes killing someone is warranted.
Police should not be torturing anyone.
Bullshit.I wonder what they're gonna do with their Model 19s. I carry one, or one like it, daily.
Anyway, here in Nashville the officers had them. Then they had incidents, all involving people with enough drugs in their system to drug an elephant, then they took them away. Now they've issued them again. Officers I've talked to all say they'd rather have the taser than shoot the person, which is usually the choice.
A taser is not a 'tool' it is a torture device.You can't punch a suspect.
Why should they be able to torture one, under any circumstances?
Its an outright lie to say police NEED torture devices, as has been shown countless times they are often used when police get 'back talk' they don't like, or someone doesn't move fast enough to suit them.
I have yet to see a video of someone attacking a police officer and the only way to stop them is to juice.
I see plenty of them where a police officer says if you don't do exactly what he says he will torture you, and they follow through.
So i ask, why is it a major deal to NOT torture a terrorist but an accepted practise to allow police to routinly torture suspects for things like traffic stops?
You can't punch a suspect, that statement, with respect is meaningless. Police can punch someone for sure, if they're using reasonable force. If they're not using reasonable force then they can't punch someone, suspect or not.
Police should not be permitted to torture people.
Police need the proper tools to do their job. The argument is how some of those tools should be deployed.
Sometimes a Taser is warranted, sometimes a fist or a boot is warranted, sometimes a baton is warranted and sometimes killing someone is warranted.
Police should not be torturing anyone.
It inflicts pain on people to compell them to do what they order. THAT is the definition of a torture device.
It is NEVER 'warrented' and there are literally dozens of film proof that it is misused.
There is ZERO JUSTIFACTION for giving the police the ability to torture people that have not even been arrested.
Bullshit.I wonder what they're gonna do with their Model 19s. I carry one, or one like it, daily.
Anyway, here in Nashville the officers had them. Then they had incidents, all involving people with enough drugs in their system to drug an elephant, then they took them away. Now they've issued them again. Officers I've talked to all say they'd rather have the taser than shoot the person, which is usually the choice.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmByfTKKUV4]YouTube - Police Overreact with a Taser Gun[/ame]
Surrounded, face down by 6 cops, and they TASERED HIM!!
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Dik-mgCDcg]YouTube - Dash Cam: Mom tasered in front of her kids in New York[/ame]
Tell us how this asshole is justified is torturing this woman for a TRAFFIC STOP!
Anyone that is pro-taser is pro-torture.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fizo-sOSE6o&NR=1]YouTube - Police Brutality: 14 yr old girl Tasered in the Head NM[/ame]
This asshole tasered a FOURTEEN YEAR OLD GIRL who had not committed ANY crime.
Go ahead, make yourselves look even more foolish defending this torture and misconduct.
Lessons to be Learned:
1. Don't argue with the police, just follow instructions.
2. Don't attempt to flee from the police.
3. Don't assault the police.
4. Follow the above rules at all times, but especially when they have a taser or firearm in your face.
Pretty simple lessons...amazing how many people never learn them. Also, realize that if you take away the tasers, police will be pulling their pistols instead. A taser is far less damaging than a 9mm.
I think some cops are cruel assholes. Cruel assholes are going to be part of any large population.Lessons to be Learned:
1. Don't argue with the police, just follow instructions.
2. Don't attempt to flee from the police.
3. Don't assault the police.
4. Follow the above rules at all times, but especially when they have a taser or firearm in your face.
Pretty simple lessons...amazing how many people never learn them. Also, realize that if you take away the tasers, police will be pulling their pistols instead. A taser is far less damaging than a 9mm.
Bro...I USUALLY think like that.
But did you watch those vids??
That was cops being cruel assholes.
No asshole, i am anti-torture, and anti-gestapo, allowing the stasi to use torture devices is nazi-like.A taser is not a 'tool' it is a torture device.You can't punch a suspect, that statement, with respect is meaningless. Police can punch someone for sure, if they're using reasonable force. If they're not using reasonable force then they can't punch someone, suspect or not.
Police should not be permitted to torture people.
Police need the proper tools to do their job. The argument is how some of those tools should be deployed.
Sometimes a Taser is warranted, sometimes a fist or a boot is warranted, sometimes a baton is warranted and sometimes killing someone is warranted.
Police should not be torturing anyone.
It inflicts pain on people to compell them to do what they order. THAT is the definition of a torture device.
It is NEVER 'warrented' and there are literally dozens of film proof that it is misused.
There is ZERO JUSTIFACTION for giving the police the ability to torture people that have not even been arrested.
Geez are you fucking stupid.
Handcuffs also compel people to do things. Handcuff also hurt. I guess handcuffs ought to be labeled a torture device and banned as well.
Some people could do with a few hundred volts to the scrotum.
That's no excuse for what they did and I hope they were severely disciplined.
I would bet good money that had they not had tazers they would have been cruel in other ways.
You give someone a leagal right to torture people they are going to use it.Holy shit!
I try to defend the police. They have an amazingly difficult and dangerous job, but way to many of these guys become sadistic assholes.
That man wasn't resiting anyone.
Faced down, surrounded by 6 cops...TAZED?!?!
Every one of those cops should be fired yesterday.
What is astounding is you get assholes who claim that speeding should allow a cop to torture someone.
So allowing them to torture uppidity people and women is the solution?What is astounding is you get assholes who claim that speeding should allow a cop to torture someone.
Simply put, cops are at high risk to die during traffic stops.
Why?
Because felons often have the worst driving. If you commit major crimes, reckless driving is nothing. The worst speeders tend to have rap-sheets, tend to be on drugs, and often have no qualms with assaulting officers.
For this reason, most departments do not allow lone officers to give tickets without backup. Even then, it is common practice to pull a weapon if the driver is suspected of being intoxicated or high.
Just using Google news...
Aberdeen police arrest suspect in armed robberies - South Sound - The Olympian - Olympia, Washington
S.C. man shot by police after traffic stop dies - South Carolina & Regional - Wire - TheSunNews.com
Cop shoots, kills man after struggle at traffic stop
Alleged Carjacker Shot, Killed By Police In New Hyde Park - WPIX
EURweb.com - BOUNTY KILLER BUSTED FOR POT: Jamaican rapper charged with possession after traffic stop in New Kingston.
Police Release More Details in Cop Shooting - Broward Palm Beach News - The Juice
News - South Africa: Slain cop's last words to wife: I love you
The Morning News: News : Police Kill Man In Chase, Shoot-out
Eyewitness News: Third cop gunned down in Gauteng
Man shoots, kills himself while police try to stop his car - JSOnline
In all these cases, either the police killed the driver, or the driver killed the police, during a routine traffic-stop. I'd say police officers have good reason to be jumpy during traffic stops...
"Is this driver going to try to kill me?"
Who else but...So, I have wondered what sort of personality would be attracted to being a LEO.
