Tea party favorite loses runoff in Alabama

[NYcarbineer]

The tea party agenda is the same old conservative crackpot Republican agenda that the loons surrounding Ronald Reagan thought would work:

Cut taxes, increase military spending, reduce the rest of the size of government (because they don't want to reduce the size of the government they like, they want to reduce the size of YOUR government)

and then wave a magic wand and poof!!! the budget is balanced.

It was VOODOO ECONOMICS then, and it's VOODOO ECONOMICS now.

Sweeping generalizations aside, YOUR plan of taxing the fuck out of the middle and upper class (everybody who PAYS taxes) for massive entitlement programs is not working... We tried to tell you wealth redistribution is a bad idea...

This country self-identifies as conservative 2-1 over liberal... Once they start electing conservatives who govern as conservatives things may change...

When conservatives put defense on the table, no strings attached, I'll be glad to put EVERYTHING else on the table.

 

[VaYank5150]

The tea party agenda is the same old conservative crackpot Republican agenda that the loons surrounding Ronald Reagan thought would work:

Cut taxes, increase military spending, reduce the rest of the size of government (because they don't want to reduce the size of the government they like, they want to reduce the size of YOUR government)

and then wave a magic wand and poof!!! the budget is balanced.

It was VOODOO ECONOMICS then, and it's VOODOO ECONOMICS now.

Sweeping generalizations aside, YOUR plan of taxing the fuck out of the middle and upper class (everybody who PAYS taxes) for massive entitlement programs is not working... We tried to tell you wealth redistribution is a bad idea...

This country self-identifies as conservative 2-1 over liberal... Once they start electing conservatives who govern as conservatives things may change...

When conservatives put defense on the table, no strings attached, I'll be glad to put EVERYTHING else on the table.

Good luck with that one. Caribou Barbie already said defense budgets were to be off limits. I can't wait to see how that plays out in the fall....

 

[Jarhead]

.....thousands of miles of coastline. Impossible task. Are you military or retired military? IMPOSSIBLE TASK. Heck, we cant even control 1000 miles of border!

So, you see? You have ideas, but no valid plan to acheive them. Yet you ridicule a group of people who have ideas but have no valid plan to acheive them..

My father was in the AF for 26 years. IF we stopped being the world's polilce and actually concentrated our forces of defending our own people, this is NOT an impossible task. If you know anything about the military, you would already know this.

I may be on in years, but I have not forgotten all I have learned.
No sir. Worlds police or not, our Navy and Our Air Force are by no means large enough to defend the enitre coast line of America. Our flat top fleets can cover a good part, yes, but with technolgy today, not everything. Furthermore, it is foolish military tactic to wait at your homeland to defend. You want to have the front as far away as possible.

I believe your father would be disapppointed that you would consider it sound military strategy to have the front on your own shore line....or to INVITE the front to be on your own shores.

FYI....on 9-11, by the time we scrambled our f-18's, the attack was over.[/QUOTE]

On 9/11.....F-16s were scambled....[/QUOTE]

Yes. Falcons.

My head was in the flat tops which I had just mentioned in the pararaph before thus why I said the Hornets.

I was sitting here thinking of how may F-18's it would take to watch thousands of miles of coastline.

 

[DiamondDave]

The tea party agenda is the same old conservative crackpot Republican agenda that the loons surrounding Ronald Reagan thought would work:

Cut taxes, increase military spending, reduce the rest of the size of government (because they don't want to reduce the size of the government they like, they want to reduce the size of YOUR government)

and then wave a magic wand and poof!!! the budget is balanced.

It was VOODOO ECONOMICS then, and it's VOODOO ECONOMICS now.

How about equalize the tax rate... cut or eliminate a lot of government programs that are not laid out in the enumerated powers... take military spending seriously because it is in the constitution, and ensure we remain the absolute top world military without question... then put taxation to a level (across the board for every citizen) where it pays for everything spent and also making payments to cut the existing debt...

I love how you as a winger say 'your government'... as if government is there to give you what you want...

What you advocate was a nanny state with unequal treatment and government forced wealth redistribution then, just as it is now

 

[VaYank5150]

My father was in the AF for 26 years. IF we stopped being the world's polilce and actually concentrated our forces of defending our own people, this is NOT an impossible task. If you know anything about the military, you would already know this.

I may be on in years, but I have not forgotten all I have learned.
No sir. Worlds police or not, our Navy and Our Air Force are by no means large enough to defend the enitre coast line of America. Our flat top fleets can cover a good part, yes, but with technolgy today, not everything. Furthermore, it is foolish military tactic to wait at your homeland to defend. You want to have the front as far away as possible.

I believe your father would be disapppointed that you would consider it sound military strategy to have the front on your own shore line....or to INVITE the front to be on your own shores.

FYI....on 9-11, by the time we scrambled our f-18's, the attack was over.

On 9/11.....F-16s were scambled....[/QUOTE]

Yes. Falcons.

My head was in the flat tops which I had just mentioned in the pararaph before thus why I said the Hornets.

I was sitting here thinking of how may F-18's it would take to watch thousands of miles of coastline.[/QUOTE]

But that's just it....we don't need to fly CAP anymore. We have satellites for that. We have mobile missile platforms. I agree 100% that we were caught sleeping when the planes hit on 9/11....but, do you REALLY think ANYONE in our military was trained for such a mission?

 

[drsmith1072]

I saw it for 8 years.
Leave Iraq without a plan....Leave A-stan without a plan
Fight terrorism without violence
Close GITMO without a plan
Heck...even our esteeemed POTUS insisted on closing GITMO without a plan.

But you expect a group of voters to have a plan?

Did you happen to see

Enter iraq without a plan....Leave A-stan to fester without a real plan to invade iraq without a plan
Fight terrisim by invading a country in the hopes that terroritsts will follow us there instead of dealing with them where they were and finishing the job in A-stan.
Open gitmo violating people's inalienable human rights with no plan on what to do with them.

The sad thing is that many tea partiers claims that they are "force" to be reckoned with and yet when push comes to shove some of their most ardent supporters on this board seem to admit that they are not organized, have no co-herent message, and despite all of their wide ranging criticism of obama and the left they have no solutions.

So which is it? Are they organized and a force to be reckoned with or are they merely a jumble of different groups that get together to bitch and whine about anything and everything while having nothing valid to offer? You can't have it both ways.

The tea partyers are a group with a vision. No plan, but a vision. Very much like the war porotesters of the 60's. They had a vision, but no plan. They wanted peace, but had no plan to acheive it for South Vietnam. They wanted peace, but no plan to stop the spread of communism nto a country that did not want it.

I certainly did not hold their vision without a plan against them and I certainly do not hold it against the tea partyers to have a vision without a plan.

I hold Bush responsible for asking copngress for approval to go into Iraq without a sound plan and I hold congress responsible for approving the move.

I hold Obama responsible for his executive order and CAMPAIGN PROMISE to close GITMO without a plan and I hold him repsonsible for his CAMPAIGN PROMISE to leave Iraq in 6 months without a plan.

Being an american citizen and preaching your vision without a plan is what America is all about.

Being an elected official and making promises and sometimes acting without a plan is inexcusable.

As fopr being a force to be reckoned with? They most certainly are. It is THEIR vision that has many politicians trying to come up with a plan to campaign with.

Very much like it was the vision of the left who prompted Obama to camapaign with the mantras of change.

I just hope that our next President has a valid plan and not just a promise to meet the vision of the electorate.

So are you trying to compare the tea partiers to what the right has referrred to as a bunch of long haired hippies among other things as if that is a positive light to be put in based on right wing history? that was a joke btw. The war protesters wanted to end the war and had a pretty clear message where as the tea party seems to be a jumbled bunch of different groups some with different astroturf enhanced agendas with no clear vison or message that a large portion of them haven't contradicted at some point or another as they rush to be critical of obama and the left.

My point was to merely point out how you saw no plans on the left but didn't seem to notice the lack of planning when the right was the side without the clear plan. Although you do concende that bush was wrong on iraq I just wish that more of the right did back when he chose to push the issue. The left, afraid of being protrayed as un-American or unpatriotic for not supporting the invasion lost their back bone but should have stood up at the time, for their cowardice and lack of integrity I find them to blame to. Too many movements with not enough questions under W from either side.

Furthermore, it seems to me that obama had a plan for moving the prisoners to US prisons and send them to court until the right threw a fit and used scare tactics and fear to turn people against it. He had a plan so to claim that he didn't was wrong.

To me a FORCE should have a unifying singular resounding message and IMO the tea party doesn't have that and that is why politicians who are trying to cater to them are having such a hard time coming up with a campaign for them.

I mean they have taxes as a kind of core issue that is surrounded by so much else but it's kind of hard to rail against taxes when bush's taxcuts are still enacted and not doing what they are supposed to do even as the right and tea party demand more tax cuts on top of the bush tax cuts.

 

[drsmith1072]

The tea party agenda is the same old conservative crackpot Republican agenda that the loons surrounding Ronald Reagan thought would work:

Cut taxes, increase military spending, reduce the rest of the size of government (because they don't want to reduce the size of the government they like, they want to reduce the size of YOUR government)

and then wave a magic wand and poof!!! the budget is balanced.

It was VOODOO ECONOMICS then, and it's VOODOO ECONOMICS now.

Sweeping generalizations aside, YOUR plan of taxing the fuck out of the middle and upper class (everybody who PAYS taxes) for massive entitlement programs is not working... We tried to tell you wealth redistribution is a bad idea...

This country self-identifies as conservative 2-1 over liberal... Once they start electing conservatives who govern as conservatives things may change...

What are you talking about?? Whose plan is taxing the middle and upper class right now?? After all bush's tax cuts are still enacted and have not been terminated. So I have to ask, what are you talking about??

Oh and according to the very polls that claim that 2-1 a decent portion of those "conservatives" consider themselves in line with the demcorats or at least they did the last time right wingers tried to bring up that poll that said only 21% consider themselves liberal. So do you have a source for you numbers so we can check it and see how many of those who deem themselves conservative vote demcoratic in elections??

 

[Dr.House]

The tea party agenda is the same old conservative crackpot Republican agenda that the loons surrounding Ronald Reagan thought would work:

Cut taxes, increase military spending, reduce the rest of the size of government (because they don't want to reduce the size of the government they like, they want to reduce the size of YOUR government)

and then wave a magic wand and poof!!! the budget is balanced.

It was VOODOO ECONOMICS then, and it's VOODOO ECONOMICS now.

Sweeping generalizations aside, YOUR plan of taxing the fuck out of the middle and upper class (everybody who PAYS taxes) for massive entitlement programs is not working... We tried to tell you wealth redistribution is a bad idea...

This country self-identifies as conservative 2-1 over liberal... Once they start electing conservatives who govern as conservatives things may change...

What are you talking about?? Whose plan is taxing the middle and upper class right now?? After all bush's tax cuts are still enacted and have not been terminated. So I have to ask, what are you talking about??

Are you saying there is no plan to discontinue those tax cuts?

You were awake when they passed Healthcare reform that we can't afford, weren't you?

Please... go back to sleep you foolish, foolish person...

 

[Dr.House]

Oh and according to the very polls that claim that 2-1 a decent portion of those "conservatives" consider themselves in line with the demcorats or at least they did the last time right wingers tried to bring up that poll that said only 21% consider themselves liberal. So do you have a source for you numbers so we can check it and see how many of those who deem themselves conservative vote demcoratic in elections??

Gallup poll....

Gallup: Twice As Many Conservatives AsLiberals - Real Clear Politics – TIME.com

 

[Jarhead]

Did you happen to see

Enter iraq without a plan....Leave A-stan to fester without a real plan to invade iraq without a plan
Fight terrisim by invading a country in the hopes that terroritsts will follow us there instead of dealing with them where they were and finishing the job in A-stan.
Open gitmo violating people's inalienable human rights with no plan on what to do with them.

The sad thing is that many tea partiers claims that they are "force" to be reckoned with and yet when push comes to shove some of their most ardent supporters on this board seem to admit that they are not organized, have no co-herent message, and despite all of their wide ranging criticism of obama and the left they have no solutions.

So which is it? Are they organized and a force to be reckoned with or are they merely a jumble of different groups that get together to bitch and whine about anything and everything while having nothing valid to offer? You can't have it both ways.

The tea partyers are a group with a vision. No plan, but a vision. Very much like the war porotesters of the 60's. They had a vision, but no plan. They wanted peace, but had no plan to acheive it for South Vietnam. They wanted peace, but no plan to stop the spread of communism nto a country that did not want it.

I certainly did not hold their vision without a plan against them and I certainly do not hold it against the tea partyers to have a vision without a plan.

I hold Bush responsible for asking copngress for approval to go into Iraq without a sound plan and I hold congress responsible for approving the move.

I hold Obama responsible for his executive order and CAMPAIGN PROMISE to close GITMO without a plan and I hold him repsonsible for his CAMPAIGN PROMISE to leave Iraq in 6 months without a plan.

Being an american citizen and preaching your vision without a plan is what America is all about.

Being an elected official and making promises and sometimes acting without a plan is inexcusable.

As fopr being a force to be reckoned with? They most certainly are. It is THEIR vision that has many politicians trying to come up with a plan to campaign with.

Very much like it was the vision of the left who prompted Obama to camapaign with the mantras of change.

I just hope that our next President has a valid plan and not just a promise to meet the vision of the electorate.

So are you trying to compare the tea partiers to what the right has referrred to as a bunch of long haired hippies among other things as if that is a positive light to be put in based on right wing history? that was a joke btw. The war protesters wanted to end the war and had a pretty clear message where as the tea party seems to be a jumbled bunch of different groups some with different astroturf enhanced agendas with no clear vison or message that a large portion of them haven't contradicted at some point or another as they rush to be critical of obama and the left.

My point was to merely point out how you saw no plans on the left but didn't seem to notice the lack of planning when the right was the side without the clear plan. Although you do concende that bush was wrong on iraq I just wish that more of the right did back when he chose to push the issue. The left, afraid of being protrayed as un-American or unpatriotic for not supporting the invasion lost their back bone but should have stood up at the time, for their cowardice and lack of integrity I find them to blame to. Too many movements with not enough questions under W from either side.

Furthermore, it seems to me that obama had a plan for moving the prisoners to US prisons and send them to court until the right threw a fit and used scare tactics and fear to turn people against it. He had a plan so to claim that he didn't was wrong.

To me a FORCE should have a unifying singular resounding message and IMO the tea party doesn't have that and that is why politicians who are trying to cater to them are having such a hard time coming up with a campaign for them.

I mean they have taxes as a kind of core issue that is surrounded by so much else but it's kind of hard to rail against taxes when bush's taxcuts are still enacted and not doing what they are supposed to do even as the right and tea party demand more tax cuts on top of the bush tax cuts.

Did not ignore. I am working and had no time to respond.

The "long haired hippies" had a vision not a plan...just like the "teabaggers. You see the tea bagger vision as jumbled; I see it as pretty clear. Lower taxes, smaller government control over our lives. A plan? No. Likely not possible to acheive it. But a vision and one they are allowed to have.

To blame the right for the scare tactics as it pertains to GITMO is not fair. Many do not like the idea of trying them in US civil courts. And besides, if Obama did not anticipate the resistance to his plan, then his plan was not a viable one.

Let me explain something to you. I am not a Government fan be it GOP or DEM. I think they are all in it for their party and not in it for the good of the people. I am a conservative with true conservative values. I believe I have no right to tell you how to live and you have no right to tell me how to live. I am against abortion and I am against you being told you can not abort if you choose. I am not interested in marrying another man, but I am not against you haveing the right to marry another man. I LOVE girl on girl porn....but I digress.

I do not appreciate Obama's ideology. But I live with it as he is my President. I do not appreciate his approach. He seems to play with words to give a message that allows him to later say "he never said that" when the message fails. He is constantly ridiculing the "other side" when, to be frank, I dont give a crap about the other side.

I voted for Bush tghe first time around. He did not get my vote the second time around. I did not see him as the leader I believed we needed and I do not see Obama as the leader we need as well.

But all that bveing said...I admire Cindy Sheehan as she sacrificed her reputation for her convictions. I admired the long haired hippy freaks. I admire the tea party.

Our politicians should spend more time learning from them than the time they spend admonishing them.

 

[Mini 14]

MONTGOMERY, Alabama — A mainstream Republican rolled past a conservative tea party activist in the primary runoff for a southeast Alabama congressional seat that Republicans hope to reclaim.

Montgomery City Councilwoman Martha Roby was drawing 60 percent in the unofficial count in the 2nd Congressional District Republican runoff Tuesday against Rick Barber, a former Marine who operates a Montgomery pool hall that hosts tea party meetings.

And the fall continues for the Tea Baggers....where's Caribou Barbie when you need her? Oh yeah, still catching up on what her daughter is doing in US magazine....

LOL....all you know about the race is that the Tea Party guy lost, isn't it?

 

[Dr.House]

MONTGOMERY, Alabama — A mainstream Republican rolled past a conservative tea party activist in the primary runoff for a southeast Alabama congressional seat that Republicans hope to reclaim.

Montgomery City Councilwoman Martha Roby was drawing 60 percent in the unofficial count in the 2nd Congressional District Republican runoff Tuesday against Rick Barber, a former Marine who operates a Montgomery pool hall that hosts tea party meetings.

And the fall continues for the Tea Baggers....where's Caribou Barbie when you need her? Oh yeah, still catching up on what her daughter is doing in US magazine....

LOL....all you know about the race is that the Tea Party guy lost, isn't it?

That's what the talking points said (probably at HuffyPuffy)... He's just being a good little democrat shill - give him a break....

 

[drsmith1072]

Sweeping generalizations aside, YOUR plan of taxing the fuck out of the middle and upper class (everybody who PAYS taxes) for massive entitlement programs is not working... We tried to tell you wealth redistribution is a bad idea...

This country self-identifies as conservative 2-1 over liberal... Once they start electing conservatives who govern as conservatives things may change...

What are you talking about?? Whose plan is taxing the middle and upper class right now?? After all bush's tax cuts are still enacted and have not been terminated. So I have to ask, what are you talking about??

Are you saying there is no plan to discontinue those tax cuts?

You were awake when they passed Healthcare reform that we can't afford, weren't you?

Please... go back to sleep you foolish, foolish person...

Saying it doesn't make it so no matter how much you wish it to be the case. So "Whose plan is taxing the middle and upper class right now?"

Answer the question IF you can or do you actually beleive that you avoidance and personal attacks serve as a valid response??

Furthermore, according to what I have heard and seen about W's taxcuts is that only the UPPER will have theirs expire while others will be extended so again "What are you talking about?"

Do you have anything REAL to offer??

 

[jillian]

MONTGOMERY, Alabama — A mainstream Republican rolled past a conservative tea party activist in the primary runoff for a southeast Alabama congressional seat that Republicans hope to reclaim.

Montgomery City Councilwoman Martha Roby was drawing 60 percent in the unofficial count in the 2nd Congressional District Republican runoff Tuesday against Rick Barber, a former Marine who operates a Montgomery pool hall that hosts tea party meetings.

And the fall continues for the Tea Baggers....where's Caribou Barbie when you need her? Oh yeah, still catching up on what her daughter is doing in US magazine....

and yet they keep trying to pretend that the tea partiers somehow represent 'the will of the people'?

*shrug*

 

[EriktheRed]

Yesterday's talking point....

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/124811-tea-party-candidate-routed-in-alabama.html

You are as dumb as the OP of the other thread if you think this one race is a referendum on the entire Tea Party movement...

This isn't the only race where the tea party is performing below expectations. Or don't you see that yet?

In one race that there is a true "Tea Party Canidate" the lady is running surprisingly well. I didn't think with some of her rhetoric she could beat the sad excuse of a senator that is Harry Reid but here is some polling data from NV. The top results are from republican voters, the ones further down are what you should look at from "all likely voters"

June 2010 Political Polls - U.S. Senate - ReviewJournal.com

This is from last month and she's already been saying even more stupid wingnut shit this month. I'd be interested to see her numbers for July.

 

[Dr.House]

MONTGOMERY, Alabama — A mainstream Republican rolled past a conservative tea party activist in the primary runoff for a southeast Alabama congressional seat that Republicans hope to reclaim.

Montgomery City Councilwoman Martha Roby was drawing 60 percent in the unofficial count in the 2nd Congressional District Republican runoff Tuesday against Rick Barber, a former Marine who operates a Montgomery pool hall that hosts tea party meetings.

And the fall continues for the Tea Baggers....where's Caribou Barbie when you need her? Oh yeah, still catching up on what her daughter is doing in US magazine....

and yet they keep trying to pretend that the tea partiers somehow represent 'the will of the people'?

*shrug*

Don't take the stupid pill that VaPudYank and others are taking... I know the temptation is there, but don't swallow it...

This race is NOT a referendum on the Tea Party movement...

The Barry experiment is failing...

 

[jillian]

Don't take the stupid pill that VaPudYank and others are taking... I know the temptation is there, but don't swallow it...

This race is NOT a referendum on the Tea Party movement...

The Barry experiment is failing...

i don't think it's a referendum specifically...

but i know what happened in NY-21

and PA-12

the tea parties are marginal...

i hope they stay that way.

 

[Dr.House]

What are you talking about?? Whose plan is taxing the middle and upper class right now?? After all bush's tax cuts are still enacted and have not been terminated. So I have to ask, what are you talking about??

Are you saying there is no plan to discontinue those tax cuts?

You were awake when they passed Healthcare reform that we can't afford, weren't you?

Please... go back to sleep you foolish, foolish person...

Saying it doesn't make it so no matter how much you wish it to be the case. So "Whose plan is taxing the middle and upper class right now?"

Answer the question IF you can or do you actually beleive that you avoidance and personal attacks serve as a valid response??

Furthermore, according to what I have heard and seen about W's taxcuts is that only the UPPER will have theirs expire while others will be extended so again "What are you talking about?"

Do you have anything REAL to offer??

"attacks"....

how-the-expiring-bush-tax-cuts-affect-you: Personal Finance News from Yahoo! Finance

Go educate yourself, you dumb fuck...

 

[drsmith1072]

Oh and according to the very polls that claim that 2-1 a decent portion of those "conservatives" consider themselves in line with the demcorats or at least they did the last time right wingers tried to bring up that poll that said only 21% consider themselves liberal. So do you have a source for you numbers so we can check it and see how many of those who deem themselves conservative vote demcoratic in elections??

Gallup poll....

Gallup: Twice As Many Conservatives AsLiberals - Real Clear Politics – TIME.com

If you go to the source of your excerpt it describes how some democrats consider themselves conservative and how some republicans consider themselves liberal so until they go back to providing info on which party they side with then this poll is meaningless.

In 2010, Conservatives Still Outnumber Moderates, Liberals

The last time I remember a poll like this conservatives tried to make a huge deal out of it but the problem was

Thus far in 2009, Gallup has found an average of 36% of Americans considering themselves Democratic, 28% Republican, and 37% independent. When independents are pressed to say which party they lean toward, 51% of Americans identify as Democrats, 39% as Republicans, and only 9% as pure independents.
"Conservatives" Are Single-Largest Ideological Group

I am kind of wondering why gallup stopped asking that question??

 

[Dr.House]

Don't take the stupid pill that VaPudYank and others are taking... I know the temptation is there, but don't swallow it...

This race is NOT a referendum on the Tea Party movement...

The Barry experiment is failing...

i don't think it's a referendum specifically...

but i know what happened in NY-21

and PA-12

the tea parties are marginal...

i hope they stay that way.

NY-21 and PA-12 were unique situations...

Gotta run, but look them up on non-leftist sites and you'll see why...

You can ignore and marginalize the Tea Party all you want... Less gubmint, lower taxes, and stop deficit spending resonate with most americans...