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[toastman]

And so many retired Naval personnel who served during that time say that it was a mistake and that the U.S. should have informed Israel that an intelligence ship was in the area. Meanwhile, if Herr George had just a dollar for everyone who dug up the Liberty over the years, he would be a wealthy many by now enjoying what Los Angeles has to offer people with some bucks in their pockets. He would be eating at Arnie Morton's tonight, enjoying a good steak.

I served in the US Navy-----sad sad sad to say-----there are many many deaths---even
in peace time due to preventable and seemingly really IDIOTIC accidents That is
peace time-----in war time ----multiply that by tens for deaths due to friendly fire. It
is not clear to me why "the liberty" thing is not a case of friendly fire for all sane people---
as for the captain and his crew-------people who are the VICTIMS of accidents and friendly
fire------are virtually always VERY ANGRY

I am really impressed with islamo Nazi sophistry-----they can manage to blame
DA JOOOOS for that which they do------because DA JOOOOOS failed to
STOP THEM FROM DOING IT (duh----ya kafir----why did you let me slit
your throat ----allahuakbaaarrrr)

Every surviving member of Liberty's crew says the attack was deliberate.
They were there.
You weren't.
If the Jews hadn't been responsible for the deliberate attack, KOSHER shills like you would have nothing to WHINE about:

"Following their torpedo attack, the torpedo boats moved up and down the length of the ship (both the port and starboard sides), continuing their attack, raking the ship with cannon and machine gun fire.[21]

"In Malta, crewmen were later assigned the task of counting all of the holes in the ship that were the size of a man's hand or larger.

"They found a total of 861 such holes, in addition to 'thousands' of .50 caliber machine gun holes.

"Survivors report that the torpedo boat crews swept the decks of USS Liberty with continuous machine gun fire, targeting communications equipment and any crewmembers who ventured above decks.[22]

"Damage control firefighters, who had already risked their lives merely by appearing on deck, had to abandon their efforts because their fire hoses had been shredded by machine gun fire.[23]

"Survivors also report that the torpedo boat crews fired on the inflated life boats launched by the crew after the captain gave the order 'prepare to abandon ship.'[24]

"This order had to be rescinded because the crew was unable to stand on the main deck without being fired upon and the life rafts were destroyed as they were launched."

USS Liberty Memorial: Summary of Events

Your website claims that Israel knew before the attack that it was a U.S ship.
That's a load of crap.

 

[aris2chat]

U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry, June 18, 1967
" Available evidence combines to indicate the attack on the Liberty on 8 June was in fact a case of mistaken identity."

CIA Report, June 13, 1967
The attack was a mistake. In 1978, in a response to an inquiry, Director of Central Intelligence Stansfield Turner wrote: "It remains our best judgment that the Israeli attack on the U.S.S. Liberty was not made in malice toward the United States and was a mistake."

Joint Chiefs of Staff, Russ Report, June 9-20, 1967 General Russ did not make any findings about the actual attack. The report compiled all message traffic and contains no evidence that the attack was not a mistake.

Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, Clifford Report, July 18, 1967
"The information thus far available does not reflect that the Israeli high command made a premeditated attack on a ship known to be American…. "

National Security Agency, 1981
"Liberty was mistaken for an Egyptian ship as a result of miscalculation and egregious errors."

Israeli Report
Ram Ron Commission of Inquiry, June 16, 1967
"[T]he attack on the ship by the Israeli Defense Forces was made neither maliciously nor in gross negligence, but as a result of a bona fide mistake."

 

[georgephillip]

U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry, June 18, 1967
" Available evidence combines to indicate the attack on the Liberty on 8 June was in fact a case of mistaken identity."

CIA Report, June 13, 1967
The attack was a mistake. In 1978, in a response to an inquiry, Director of Central Intelligence Stansfield Turner wrote: "It remains our best judgment that the Israeli attack on the U.S.S. Liberty was not made in malice toward the United States and was a mistake."

Joint Chiefs of Staff, Russ Report, June 9-20, 1967 General Russ did not make any findings about the actual attack. The report compiled all message traffic and contains no evidence that the attack was not a mistake.

Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, Clifford Report, July 18, 1967
"The information thus far available does not reflect that the Israeli high command made a premeditated attack on a ship known to be American…. "

National Security Agency, 1981
"Liberty was mistaken for an Egyptian ship as a result of miscalculation and egregious errors."

Israeli Report
Ram Ron Commission of Inquiry, June 16, 1967
"[T]he attack on the ship by the Israeli Defense Forces was made neither maliciously nor in gross negligence, but as a result of a bona fide mistake."

There have been no official investigations by the entire US Congress into the attack on Liberty.

"Q:
Haven't there been numerous US investigations into the attack?

A:
No there haven't. No US governmental entity has ever undertaken an investigation into the culpability for the attack. There have been investigations into the seamanship of the crew (US Navy Court of Inquiry), the message handling procedures of the US military (The JCS Russ Report), and other attempts to report publicly reported facts. No agency or other institution has ever conducted a fact finding investigation into the question of why the Israelis launched the attack and their prior knowledge that USS Liberty was a US Navy ship.

Q:
What about Congressional investigations?

A:
There have been no Congressional investigations.

"One of the more prominent Israeli propagandists, AJ Cristol, created this allegation in the mold of the "Big Lie" technique of the 1930's ("if you tell a big enough lie often enough, people will come to believe it").

"The Librarian of Congress, when asked about this allegation of purported Congressional investigations, formally replied:After checking numerous resources, including the CIS (Congressional Information Service) Indexes to Congressional Hearings (both published and unpublished), and the Public Documents Masterfile, I could find no evidence that the Congress ever held hearings or launched an investigation into the June 8, 1967 incident with the USS Liberty."

"This allegation is a lie, plain and simple. The chief proponent of this lie, A.J. Cristol, has repeatedly been asked to produce evidence of the truth of his allegation. He has refused to do so.

Q:
But I've seen many references to 'official US investigations,' are you saying that these are false?

A:
That is exactly what we are saying. They are false. There have been no "official US investigations." There have been no unofficial US investigations. There have been no US investigations at all into the conduct of the Israeli forces when the attacked USS Liberty. The Israelis have never been asked to produce evidence, nor have they been interviewed about the attack."

F.A.Q. - Numerous investigations

 

[georgephillip]

I served in the US Navy-----sad sad sad to say-----there are many many deaths---even
in peace time due to preventable and seemingly really IDIOTIC accidents That is
peace time-----in war time ----multiply that by tens for deaths due to friendly fire. It
is not clear to me why "the liberty" thing is not a case of friendly fire for all sane people---
as for the captain and his crew-------people who are the VICTIMS of accidents and friendly
fire------are virtually always VERY ANGRY

I am really impressed with islamo Nazi sophistry-----they can manage to blame
DA JOOOOS for that which they do------because DA JOOOOOS failed to
STOP THEM FROM DOING IT (duh----ya kafir----why did you let me slit
your throat ----allahuakbaaarrrr)

Every surviving member of Liberty's crew says the attack was deliberate.
They were there.
You weren't.
If the Jews hadn't been responsible for the deliberate attack, KOSHER shills like you would have nothing to WHINE about:

"Following their torpedo attack, the torpedo boats moved up and down the length of the ship (both the port and starboard sides), continuing their attack, raking the ship with cannon and machine gun fire.[21]

"In Malta, crewmen were later assigned the task of counting all of the holes in the ship that were the size of a man's hand or larger.

"They found a total of 861 such holes, in addition to 'thousands' of .50 caliber machine gun holes.

"Survivors report that the torpedo boat crews swept the decks of USS Liberty with continuous machine gun fire, targeting communications equipment and any crewmembers who ventured above decks.[22]

"Damage control firefighters, who had already risked their lives merely by appearing on deck, had to abandon their efforts because their fire hoses had been shredded by machine gun fire.[23]

"Survivors also report that the torpedo boat crews fired on the inflated life boats launched by the crew after the captain gave the order 'prepare to abandon ship.'[24]

"This order had to be rescinded because the crew was unable to stand on the main deck without being fired upon and the life rafts were destroyed as they were launched."

USS Liberty Memorial: Summary of Events

Your website claims that Israel knew before the attack that it was a U.S ship.
That's a load of crap.

USS Liberty: Contact Page

 

[aris2chat]

>>The last investigation was spurred by White House Chief of Staff John Sununu, who, after meeting with Liberty veterans, referred them to Representative Nick Mavroules, chairman of the Subcommittee on Investigations of the House Armed Services Committee. After a one year investigation the matter was closed, the investigators evidently finding nothing to support conspiracy claims or any Israeli intentions to attack a US ship. <<(The Liberty Incident: The 1967 Attack on the U.S. Navy Spy Ship , by Judge A. Jay Cristol, Potomac)

 

[georgephillip]

>>The last investigation was spurred by White House Chief of Staff John Sununu, who, after meeting with Liberty veterans, referred them to Representative Nick Mavroules, chairman of the Subcommittee on Investigations of the House Armed Services Committee. After a one year investigation the matter was closed, the investigators evidently finding nothing to support conspiracy claims or any Israeli intentions to attack a US ship. <<(The Liberty Incident: The 1967 Attack on the U.S. Navy Spy Ship , by Judge A. Jay Cristol, Potomac)

Find an eyewitness to Israel's deliberate attack on Liberty to back your claims.

"Twenty-six years have passed since that clear day on June 8, 1967 when Israel attacked the USS Liberty with aircraft and torpedo boats, killing 34 young men and wounding 171.

"The attack in international waters followed over nine hours of close surveillance.

"Israeli pilots circled the ship at low level 13 times on eight different occasions before attacking.

"Radio operators in Spain, Lebanon, Germany and aboard the ship itself all heard the pilots reporting to their headquarters that this was an American ship.

"They attacked anyway.

"And when the ship failed to sink, the Israeli government concocted an elaborate story to cover the crime.

There is no question that this attack on a U.S. Navy ship was deliberate.

"This was a coordinated effort involving air, sea, headquarters and commando forces attacking over a long period.

"It was not the 'few rounds of misdirected fire' that Israel would have the world believe.

"Worse, the Israeli excuse is a gross and detailed fabrication that disagrees entirely with the eyewitness recollections of survivors.

"Key American leaders call the attack deliberate. More important, eyewitness participants from the Israeli side have told survivors that they knew they were attacking an American ship."

Washington Report on Middle East Affairs - The Assault on the USS Liberty Still Covered Up After 26 Years

 

[aris2chat]

When the boats reached an approximate range of 2,000 yards, the center boat of the formation was signaling to us. Also, at this range, it appeared that they were flying an Israeli flag. This was later verified. It was not possible to read the signals from the center torpedo boat because of the intermittent blocking of view by smoke and flames. At this time I yelled to machine gun 51 to tell him to hold fire. I realized that there was a possibility of the aircraft having been Israeli and the attack had been conducted in error. (Sworn testimony of Cdr. William L. McGonagle, June 14, 1967)

 

[Sunni Man]

Israel's plan was to sink the USS Liberty with all crew members killed and then blame it on the Egyptians in an attempt to draw America into the Israeli/Egyptian conflict.

But to the chagrin of the zionists the USS Liberty refused to sink in a short amount of time as planned.

Finally the Israeli's had no choice but to call off the attack and start a PR coverup and apology campaign. ..

 

[georgephillip]

When the boats reached an approximate range of 2,000 yards, the center boat of the formation was signaling to us. Also, at this range, it appeared that they were flying an Israeli flag. This was later verified. It was not possible to read the signals from the center torpedo boat because of the intermittent blocking of view by smoke and flames. At this time I yelled to machine gun 51 to tell him to hold fire. I realized that there was a possibility of the aircraft having been Israeli and the attack had been conducted in error. (Sworn testimony of Cdr. William L. McGonagle, June 14, 1967)

"After more than two hours of unremitting assault, the Israelis finally halted their attack.

"One of the torpedo boats approached the Liberty.

"This same torpedo boat crew had been circling the ship, machine-gunning anyone who stuck his head above decks, as well as the lifeboats the crew had put over the side.

"What had changed?

"The Israeli government knew that US aircraft carriers had just launched aircraft to come to Liberty's aid and the attack was quickly called off.

"The Israeli government called the US Embassy and said that they had made a 'mistake.'

"A torpedo boat officer asked in English over a bullhorn: 'Do you need any help?'

"The wounded commander of the Liberty, Captain William McGonagle, instructed the quartermaster to respond emphatically: 'Fuck you.'"

USS Liberty Memorial: Quotes Main Page

 

[aris2chat]

When the boats reached an approximate range of 2,000 yards, the center boat of the formation was signaling to us. Also, at this range, it appeared that they were flying an Israeli flag. This was later verified. It was not possible to read the signals from the center torpedo boat because of the intermittent blocking of view by smoke and flames. At this time I yelled to machine gun 51 to tell him to hold fire. I realized that there was a possibility of the aircraft having been Israeli and the attack had been conducted in error. (Sworn testimony of Cdr. William L. McGonagle, June 14, 1967)

"After more than two hours of unremitting assault, the Israelis finally halted their attack.

"One of the torpedo boats approached the Liberty.

"This same torpedo boat crew had been circling the ship, machine-gunning anyone who stuck his head above decks, as well as the lifeboats the crew had put over the side.

"What had changed?

"The Israeli government knew that US aircraft carriers had just launched aircraft to come to Liberty's aid and the attack was quickly called off.

"The Israeli government called the US Embassy and said that they had made a 'mistake.'

"A torpedo boat officer asked in English over a bullhorn: 'Do you need any help?'

"The wounded commander of the Liberty, Captain William McGonagle, instructed the quartermaster to respond emphatically: 'Fuck you.'"

USS Liberty Memorial: Quotes Main Page

>>When they were about 500 yards off, the torpedo boat turned astern and came up on the stern on the starboard side and flashed, “do you need help.” ... The Captain ... said “no, thank you.” We sent this back to the boat ... and saw on the last part of that message ... “Do you want us to standby?” I passed this word to the Captain. He said, “no, thank you.” We sent this to the patrol boat. They came up along the port side, I say roughly 100 yards off, flashed “good luck” ... and disappeared. That was the last we saw of them. <<Under oath, by Chief Communications Technician Harold J. Thompson:

 

[georgephillip]

When the boats reached an approximate range of 2,000 yards, the center boat of the formation was signaling to us. Also, at this range, it appeared that they were flying an Israeli flag. This was later verified. It was not possible to read the signals from the center torpedo boat because of the intermittent blocking of view by smoke and flames. At this time I yelled to machine gun 51 to tell him to hold fire. I realized that there was a possibility of the aircraft having been Israeli and the attack had been conducted in error. (Sworn testimony of Cdr. William L. McGonagle, June 14, 1967)

"After more than two hours of unremitting assault, the Israelis finally halted their attack.

"One of the torpedo boats approached the Liberty.

"This same torpedo boat crew had been circling the ship, machine-gunning anyone who stuck his head above decks, as well as the lifeboats the crew had put over the side.

"What had changed?

"The Israeli government knew that US aircraft carriers had just launched aircraft to come to Liberty's aid and the attack was quickly called off.

"The Israeli government called the US Embassy and said that they had made a 'mistake.'

"A torpedo boat officer asked in English over a bullhorn: 'Do you need any help?'

"The wounded commander of the Liberty, Captain William McGonagle, instructed the quartermaster to respond emphatically: 'Fuck you.'"

USS Liberty Memorial: Quotes Main Page

>>When they were about 500 yards off, the torpedo boat turned astern and came up on the stern on the starboard side and flashed, “do you need help.” ... The Captain ... said “no, thank you.” We sent this back to the boat ... and saw on the last part of that message ... “Do you want us to standby?” I passed this word to the Captain. He said, “no, thank you.” We sent this to the patrol boat. They came up along the port side, I say roughly 100 yards off, flashed “good luck” ... and disappeared. That was the last we saw of them. <<Under oath, by Chief Communications Technician Harold J. Thompson:

Where's your link?

"Fifteen years after the attack, an Israeli pilot approached Liberty survivors and then held extensive interviews with former Congressman Paul N. (Pete) McCloskey about his role.

"According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag and continue his attack.

"He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested.

"Later, a dual-citizen Israeli major told survivors that he was in an Israeli war room where he heard that pilot's radio report.

"The attacking pilots and everyone in the Israeli war room knew that they were attacking an American ship, the major said.

"He recanted the statement only after he received threatening phone calls from Israel."

Washington Report on Middle East Affairs - The Assault on the USS Liberty Still Covered Up After 26 Years

 

[Sally]

"After more than two hours of unremitting assault, the Israelis finally halted their attack.

"One of the torpedo boats approached the Liberty.

"This same torpedo boat crew had been circling the ship, machine-gunning anyone who stuck his head above decks, as well as the lifeboats the crew had put over the side.

"What had changed?

"The Israeli government knew that US aircraft carriers had just launched aircraft to come to Liberty's aid and the attack was quickly called off.

"The Israeli government called the US Embassy and said that they had made a 'mistake.'

"A torpedo boat officer asked in English over a bullhorn: 'Do you need any help?'

"The wounded commander of the Liberty, Captain William McGonagle, instructed the quartermaster to respond emphatically: 'Fuck you.'"

USS Liberty Memorial: Quotes Main Page

>>When they were about 500 yards off, the torpedo boat turned astern and came up on the stern on the starboard side and flashed, “do you need help.” ... The Captain ... said “no, thank you.” We sent this back to the boat ... and saw on the last part of that message ... “Do you want us to standby?” I passed this word to the Captain. He said, “no, thank you.” We sent this to the patrol boat. They came up along the port side, I say roughly 100 yards off, flashed “good luck” ... and disappeared. That was the last we saw of them. <<Under oath, by Chief Communications Technician Harold J. Thompson:

Where's your link?

"Fifteen years after the attack, an Israeli pilot approached Liberty survivors and then held extensive interviews with former Congressman Paul N. (Pete) McCloskey about his role.

"According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag and continue his attack.

"He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested.

"Later, a dual-citizen Israeli major told survivors that he was in an Israeli war room where he heard that pilot's radio report.

"The attacking pilots and everyone in the Israeli war room knew that they were attacking an American ship, the major said.

"He recanted the statement only after he received threatening phone calls from Israel."

Washington Report on Middle East Affairs - The Assault on the USS Liberty Still Covered Up After 26 Years

When Herr George is old and is in an assisted living home, he will gather all the others living there and tell them all about the Liberty, as if that was the most important thing in his life. One thing for sure, those in need don't have to pay for assisted living. The taxpayers take care of that. Meanwhile, the citizens of the world are not obsessing over the Liberty incident. They are more interested in what is happening in the world right now; and evidently, since Herr George is posting on a Middle East forum and is still obsessing over the Liberty because his favorite scapegoats are involved, he could care less about what is happening right now in the Middle East.

 

[eagle1462010]

A bunch of Islamic Radical Fanatics are killing and looting throughout the middle east.

The Middle East is in Flames.

And we talk about a single incident for diversion that happened nearly 50 years ago.

Priorities aren't in order.

 

[aris2chat]

"After more than two hours of unremitting assault, the Israelis finally halted their attack.

"One of the torpedo boats approached the Liberty.

"This same torpedo boat crew had been circling the ship, machine-gunning anyone who stuck his head above decks, as well as the lifeboats the crew had put over the side.

"What had changed?

"The Israeli government knew that US aircraft carriers had just launched aircraft to come to Liberty's aid and the attack was quickly called off.

"The Israeli government called the US Embassy and said that they had made a 'mistake.'

"A torpedo boat officer asked in English over a bullhorn: 'Do you need any help?'

"The wounded commander of the Liberty, Captain William McGonagle, instructed the quartermaster to respond emphatically: 'Fuck you.'"

USS Liberty Memorial: Quotes Main Page

>>When they were about 500 yards off, the torpedo boat turned astern and came up on the stern on the starboard side and flashed, “do you need help.” ... The Captain ... said “no, thank you.” We sent this back to the boat ... and saw on the last part of that message ... “Do you want us to standby?” I passed this word to the Captain. He said, “no, thank you.” We sent this to the patrol boat. They came up along the port side, I say roughly 100 yards off, flashed “good luck” ... and disappeared. That was the last we saw of them. <<Under oath, by Chief Communications Technician Harold J. Thompson:

Where's your link?

"Fifteen years after the attack, an Israeli pilot approached Liberty survivors and then held extensive interviews with former Congressman Paul N. (Pete) McCloskey about his role.

"According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag and continue his attack.

"He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested.

"Later, a dual-citizen Israeli major told survivors that he was in an Israeli war room where he heard that pilot's radio report.

"The attacking pilots and everyone in the Israeli war room knew that they were attacking an American ship, the major said.

"He recanted the statement only after he received threatening phone calls from Israel."

Washington Report on Middle East Affairs - The Assault on the USS Liberty Still Covered Up After 26 Years

http://www.usslibertyinquiry.com/evidence/usreports/ncoi.pdf

 

[georgephillip]

A bunch of Islamic Radical Fanatics are killing and looting throughout the middle east.

The Middle East is in Flames.

And we talk about a single incident for diversion that happened nearly 50 years ago.

Priorities aren't in order.

"Iraqi government forces have reportedly been forced to pull back from the northern city of Tikrit after an offensive to reclaim the city from Sunni Muslim militants was blunted by fierce fighting.

"The BBC, citing eyewitnesses, reported Sunday that the Iraqi army had fallen back to the town of Dijla, approximately 15 miles to the south. The witnesses said that the government forces' drive to retake Tikrit had been hampered in part my the large number of improvised explosive devices laid on the approach to the city.

"The witnesses said that security forces continued to shell the city, though what damage those shells may have done is unclear.

"Iraqi officials had claimed that troops had pushed into the heart of the city in what was the biggest attempt yet by the Baghdad government to reverse a series of defeats suffered earlier this month at the hands of the Al Qaeda-inspired Islamic State in Iraq and The Levant (ISIS).

"The militants have surged across Sunni-majority areas of the north and west, menacing the capital and bringing the government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki to the brink of collapse in the process."

Iraqi forces reportedly pull back from Tikrit amid fierce fighting with ISIS militants | Fox News

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

I believe the picture you posted is Hamas.....not Hezbollah.

You really need to buy a score card in order to identify the different players. ..

.

Wrong - the picture is definitely Hezbollah, not Hamas.

That's a Palestinian flag hanging off the building in the background.......Hamas is in Palestine/Gaza.

Hezbollah is in Lebanon. ..

Shows how much you know.

Hezbollah digs in for more conflict with IsraelThough stretched by its war alongside Assad, targeted by extremist Sunnis, and losing popularity, Nasrallah’s group deepens its hold near the Israeli borderBY AVI ISSACHAROFF January 17, 2014, 12:34 pm

Hezbollah fighters take an oath to continue the path of resistance against Israel during a parade. (photo credit: AP/Hussein Malla)

Hezbollah digs in for more conflict with Israel | The Times of Israel

 

[georgephillip]

"Israeli security forces have obtained explicit evidence of attempts by members of global jihadist groups in Lebanon to attack both Hezbollah and Israeli targets, and even to try to create new tensions between the two.

"For example, extremist Sunni militants, in a group that calls itself Ziad al-Jarrah, received arms from al-Qaeda members in Syria that were intended for use against Hezbollah.

"Some of the rockets were indeed fired at Dahiyah, the Hezbollah stronghold, but in August the rest were fired at Nahariya, in northern Israel.

"For now, at least, the bulk of the global jihadist groups’ activities are focused on Hezbollah.

"But it is not impossible that in the future, members of these groups will escalate their fighting against Israel, in order to further raise tensions between Israel and Hezbollah, and even drag the two sides into a military conflict neither side wants.

Hezbollah digs in for more conflict with Israel | The Times of Israel