Swiss Region Bans Burqas

[aris2chat]

I don't like the government being able to tell us what we can and cannot wear for one thing. A government enforced dress code? No thank you.

not dress code, just don't hide your face code

That doesn't matter to me. I don't want the government able to dictate to us American citizens in such a way.

So you think people who want to walk the streets naked should be free to do so?

No, that is a health matter.

covering the face is a security and safety matter

 

[ChrisL]

I don't like the government being able to tell us what we can and cannot wear for one thing. A government enforced dress code? No thank you.

not dress code, just don't hide your face code

That doesn't matter to me. I don't want the government able to dictate to us American citizens in such a way.

for security there are already code about covering face

They can cover their body but thee has to be a way to see the face

In certain circumstances only. There is no reason why anyone needs to see another person's face while they are going about their daily routine activities, like shopping, bringing your children to school, etc.

 

[ChrisL]

I don't like the government being able to tell us what we can and cannot wear for one thing. A government enforced dress code? No thank you.

not dress code, just don't hide your face code

That doesn't matter to me. I don't want the government able to dictate to us American citizens in such a way.

So you think people who want to walk the streets naked should be free to do so?

No, that is a health matter.

covering the face is a security and safety matter

Only in certain situations which we have already covered.

 

[Tilly]

I don't like the government being able to tell us what we can and cannot wear for one thing. A government enforced dress code? No thank you.

not dress code, just don't hide your face code

That doesn't matter to me. I don't want the government able to dictate to us American citizens in such a way.

So you think people who want to walk the streets naked should be free to do so?

No, that is a health matter.

In what way?
And are you aware that vit D deficiency is a very serious health problem associated with covering every cm of your skin? It leads to osteoporosis, heart disease, hormonal Imbalances and mental health problems.

 

[ChrisL]

If I feel that it is a sin to allow other men to look at my face and want to cover my face, then that is MY choice. Not for the government to make for me. That is NOT cool at all.

 

[Tilly]

I don't like the government being able to tell us what we can and cannot wear for one thing. A government enforced dress code? No thank you.

not dress code, just don't hide your face code

That doesn't matter to me. I don't want the government able to dictate to us American citizens in such a way.

But they already do.

 

[ChrisL]

I don't like the government being able to tell us what we can and cannot wear for one thing. A government enforced dress code? No thank you.

not dress code, just don't hide your face code

That doesn't matter to me. I don't want the government able to dictate to us American citizens in such a way.

So you think people who want to walk the streets naked should be free to do so?

No, that is a health matter.

In what way?
And are you aware that vit D deficiency is a very serious health problem associated with covering every cm of your skin? It leads to osteoporosis, heart disease, hormonal Imbalances and mental health problems.

So? That still does not mean that we ever want out government dictating such things to us. That is a TERRIBLE idea. Terrible.

 

[ChrisL]

I don't like the government being able to tell us what we can and cannot wear for one thing. A government enforced dress code? No thank you.

not dress code, just don't hide your face code

That doesn't matter to me. I don't want the government able to dictate to us American citizens in such a way.

But they already do.

ONLY in certain situations. In America, women can wear a burka if they choose.

 

[frigidweirdo]

West Virginia seems to have covered all the extenuating circumstances Frigidwierdo was concerned about in their banning of face masks:
WEST VIRGINIA 61-6-22.
Wearing masks, hoods or face coverings.
(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, no person, whether in a motor vehicle or otherwise, while wearing any mask, hood or device whereby any portion of the face is so covered as to conceal the identity of the wearer, may:
(1) Come into or appear upon any walk, alley, street, road, highway or other thoroughfare dedicated to public use;
(2) Come into or appear in any trading area, concourse, waiting room, lobby or foyer open to, used by or frequented by the general public;
(3) Come into or appear upon or within any of the grounds or buildings owned, leased, maintained or operated by the state or any political subdivision thereof;
(4) Ask, request, or demand entrance or admission to the premises, enclosure, dwelling or place of business of any other person within this state; or
(5) Attend or participate in any meeting upon private property of another unless written permission for such meeting has first been obtained from the owner or occupant thereof.
(b) The provisions of this section do not apply to any person:
(1) Under sixteen years of age;
(2) Wearing a traditional holiday costume;
(3) Engaged in a trade or employment where a mask, hood or device is worn for the purpose of ensuring the physical safety of the wearer;
(4) Using a mask, hood or device in theatrical productions, including use in mardi gras celebrations or similar masquerade balls;
(5) Wearing a mask, hood or device prescribed for civil defense drills, exercises or emergencies; or
(6) Wearing a mask, hood or device for the sole purpose of protection from the elements or while participating in a winter sport.
(c) Any person who violates any provision of this section is guilty of a misdemeanor, and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than five hundred dollars or imprisoned in the county jail not more than one year, or both fined and imprisoned
CND: State Codes Related To Wearing Masks

Which is fine. However this Swiss Canton DIDN'T DO THIS.

Correct. The Swiss know it isn't 6 year old children celebrating Halloween who might blow them up. Good for the Swiss

So why don't they know it's not Burka wearing women either?

In fact, how many bombs have gone off in Switzerland? Er........ none?

Why should they have to wait when they can see what's happened in various places around the world, when they don't have to and when they are absolutely not impinging on religious freedom or rights? They don't, and they've decided not to.

So, if a country sees a threat from a group of people, it's okay to then limit their freedoms?

So the US goes around invading countries at will, other countries should restrict the rights of Americans because the US is a threat? Right, I'll go and write to some foreign governments explaining your position.

 

[ChrisL]

You people need to understand that we citizens have rights and OUR government is not to dictate such things to us.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I don't like the government being able to tell us what we can and cannot wear for one thing. A government enforced dress code? No thank you.

not dress code, just don't hide your face code

So, back to Halloween, no hiding of faces?

 

[Alex.]

West Virginia seems to have covered all the extenuating circumstances Frigidwierdo was concerned about in their banning of face masks:
WEST VIRGINIA 61-6-22.
Wearing masks, hoods or face coverings.
(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, no person, whether in a motor vehicle or otherwise, while wearing any mask, hood or device whereby any portion of the face is so covered as to conceal the identity of the wearer, may:
(1) Come into or appear upon any walk, alley, street, road, highway or other thoroughfare dedicated to public use;
(2) Come into or appear in any trading area, concourse, waiting room, lobby or foyer open to, used by or frequented by the general public;
(3) Come into or appear upon or within any of the grounds or buildings owned, leased, maintained or operated by the state or any political subdivision thereof;
(4) Ask, request, or demand entrance or admission to the premises, enclosure, dwelling or place of business of any other person within this state; or
(5) Attend or participate in any meeting upon private property of another unless written permission for such meeting has first been obtained from the owner or occupant thereof.
(b) The provisions of this section do not apply to any person:
(1) Under sixteen years of age;
(2) Wearing a traditional holiday costume;
(3) Engaged in a trade or employment where a mask, hood or device is worn for the purpose of ensuring the physical safety of the wearer;
(4) Using a mask, hood or device in theatrical productions, including use in mardi gras celebrations or similar masquerade balls;
(5) Wearing a mask, hood or device prescribed for civil defense drills, exercises or emergencies; or
(6) Wearing a mask, hood or device for the sole purpose of protection from the elements or while participating in a winter sport.
(c) Any person who violates any provision of this section is guilty of a misdemeanor, and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than five hundred dollars or imprisoned in the county jail not more than one year, or both fined and imprisoned
CND: State Codes Related To Wearing Masks

Which is fine. However this Swiss Canton DIDN'T DO THIS.

Correct. The Swiss know it isn't 6 year old children celebrating Halloween who might blow them up. Good for the Swiss

So why don't they know it's not Burka wearing women either?

In fact, how many bombs have gone off in Switzerland? Er........ none?

Why should they have to wait when they can see what's happened in various places around the world, when they don't have to and when they are absolutely not impinging on religious freedom or rights? They don't, and they've decided not to.

So, if a country sees a threat from a group of people, it's okay to then limit their freedoms?

So the US goes around invading countries at will, other countries should restrict the rights of Americans because the US is a threat? Right, I'll go and write to some foreign governments explaining your position.

If those "freedoms" possibly pose a threat from terrorism then yes limit. Would you allow a Sryian refugees enrollment into a flight school the moment they come to the US?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Islamic women are true women who know their role in life and accept it. ......

STFU raghead

 

[ChrisL]

We can pretty much wear whatever we want, and that is how I like it. Besides, we don't have a problem with burka wearing in our country. Like I said, it is a rare occurrence that you see anyone wearing such clothing in this country.

 

[aris2chat]

We don't want people walking into banks with knit face masks or nylons. We don't want people walking around the streets with gas masks. We ask people with hoodies to push them off the head when they enter stores, attend classes and speak to authorities.
Why should we allow a leather face mask or a sheet or material covering the whole body when we have security issues and the safety of other citizens could be at issue. Women can dress modestly but for ID purposes faces need to be seen. Even in areas where cameras use bio-metrics, they need to see the face and body.
Muslims can dress modestly but they don't have the right to hide not just face but body type and even the way they walk when it could endanger others.
Islam does not require a burka only modesty at prayers. Most muslim women even in muslim countries don't wear a burka or cover their face. Trying to make stupid excuses by citing religious freedom is disingenuous. The country also has a right to feel safe and in todays treat level that means scanners, metal detectors, cameras, ID cards, bio-metrics and random searching of bags in some place.
Sorry, public safety trumps mistaken belief that a sheet is an islamic requirement. They are able to practice their faith but that only asks for modesty. Even the veil was an exception and occasionally used by the wives of the prophet. It was not a requirement for all women.
Police and others need to see that dangerous people are not trying to escape justice or perpetrate an attack by hiding under a burka. Sorry no hiding faces, and if asked to submit to searches and identification checks.

You ask those with hoodies to do things. But IS IT AGAINST THE LAW to wear a hoodie in class?

So the country has the right to feel safe? So we cause problems with Muslims and then have to feel safe by taking freedoms away. Religious freedom? Who cares whether you think it's religious freedom or just freedom.

If you want to make laws, don't make laws that say "Burkas can't be worn here and there", make laws that ACTUALLY DEAL WITH WHAT YOU CLAIM TO BE DEALING WITH.

If this is a safety issue, then make a law which specifically defines the safety issue.

Like: You can't enter an inside public place, shops, restaurants, banks, any manner of buildings, with our face covered.

Then women can walk the streets with a Burka but can't enter the shops. Nor can people with motorcycle helmets.

If you make a law banning ONLY Burkas, it's an anti-Muslim law, plain and simple.

there is no protection to hide your identity when security is as issue. Burka Shmuka, no face covering and religion is not required to cover face. It is not anti-muslim, the use of the burka is not muslim, modest dress is.

Whether it's religious is neither here nor there.

Firstly, different parts of religions see things differently. Some parts of Islam see the Burka as a part of their religion.

A Christian doesn't have to wear a cross. Yet they CAN wear a cross if they choose so, and if they decide it is part of their religion.

Secondly, what security risk is there of a woman walking around the streets in a burka?

covering the face is not religious/islam. it is a cultural thing specific to a few countries.

This is not a freedom on religion. It is about security and safety. Muslims countries have in some cases not just banned burka but the hijab as well. Apart from Oman, Sudan and Some part of Afghanistan there is not excuse of the covering of the face.

 

[Tilly]

not dress code, just don't hide your face code

That doesn't matter to me. I don't want the government able to dictate to us American citizens in such a way.

So you think people who want to walk the streets naked should be free to do so?

No, that is a health matter.

In what way?
And are you aware that vit D deficiency is a very serious health problem associated with covering every cm of your skin? It leads to osteoporosis, heart disease, hormonal Imbalances and mental health problems.

So? That still does not mean that we ever want out government dictating such things to us. That is a TERRIBLE idea. Terrible.

Excuse me, but it was you who mentioned health. You said people are prevented from walking around naked because it's 'a health matter'. I don't understand what you mean by that so I asked you why, and informed you of the very real and serious health matter of developing vit D deficiency from covering your entire body. So, to what health problems are you referring?

 

[ChrisL]

That doesn't matter to me. I don't want the government able to dictate to us American citizens in such a way.

So you think people who want to walk the streets naked should be free to do so?

No, that is a health matter.

In what way?
And are you aware that vit D deficiency is a very serious health problem associated with covering every cm of your skin? It leads to osteoporosis, heart disease, hormonal Imbalances and mental health problems.

So? That still does not mean that we ever want out government dictating such things to us. That is a TERRIBLE idea. Terrible.

Excuse me, but it was you who mentioned health. You said people are prevented from walking around naked because it's 'a health matter'. I don't understand what you mean by that so I asked you why, and informed you of the very real and serious health matter of developing vit D deficiency from covering your entire body. So, to what health problems are you referring?

A public health matter.

 

[Tilly]

I don't like the government being able to tell us what we can and cannot wear for one thing. A government enforced dress code? No thank you.

not dress code, just don't hide your face code

That doesn't matter to me. I don't want the government able to dictate to us American citizens in such a way.

But they already do.

ONLY in certain situations. In America, women can wear a burka if they choose.

I don't think you've read the earlier posts that point out that there are laws on the books in certain states where covering your face is already illegal. So, what you say does not apply to all of America at all, regardless of your insistence and emotional response to the issue. Please read the earlier posts and you will see.

 

[ChrisL]

That doesn't matter to me. I don't want the government able to dictate to us American citizens in such a way.

So you think people who want to walk the streets naked should be free to do so?

No, that is a health matter.

In what way?
And are you aware that vit D deficiency is a very serious health problem associated with covering every cm of your skin? It leads to osteoporosis, heart disease, hormonal Imbalances and mental health problems.

So? That still does not mean that we ever want out government dictating such things to us. That is a TERRIBLE idea. Terrible.

Excuse me, but it was you who mentioned health. You said people are prevented from walking around naked because it's 'a health matter'. I don't understand what you mean by that so I asked you why, and informed you of the very real and serious health matter of developing vit D deficiency from covering your entire body. So, to what health problems are you referring?

Think about it. Think about why you would not want to sit in a chair where a naked person just sat.

 

[ChrisL]

I don't like the government being able to tell us what we can and cannot wear for one thing. A government enforced dress code? No thank you.

not dress code, just don't hide your face code

That doesn't matter to me. I don't want the government able to dictate to us American citizens in such a way.

But they already do.

ONLY in certain situations. In America, women can wear a burka if they choose.

I don't think you've read the earlier posts that point out that there are laws on the books in certain states where covering your face is already illegal. So, what you say does not apply to all of America at all, regardless of your insistence and emotional response to the issue. Please read the earlier posts and you will see.

It is not "illegal." It is only illegal under certain circumstances, right? The burka is not banned in any states in the United States, right?