Sweden did not have a lockdown. Experts predicted that it would have 40,000 COVID-19 deaths by May 1. The actual number was 2,769.

[HappyJoy]

It's getting harder and harder for the shutdown Nazis to justify continuing this farce:

Sweden did not have a lockdown. Experts predicted that it would have 40,000 COVID-19 deaths by May 1. The actual number was 2,769.​

Sweden did not have a lockdown.​

​

Experts predicted that it would have 40,000 COVID-19 deaths by May 1.​

​

The actual number was 2,769.​

​

The Telegraph just reported:​

​

How Sweden suppressed infection rates without a lockdown​

​

Denmark locked down hard and early, shutting schools, borders, cafés, restaurants and shops. Sweden has taken a light-touch approach, shutting none of these things, and instead relying on the public’s “common sense behaviour”.​

​

If the R number is 1, it means that each person infected goes on to infect an average of one other person during the course of their illness. So long as a country keeps R below one, the number of infections will steadily decrease until the pandemic comes to an end.​

​

The Public Health Institute of Sweden estimated that Sweden’s R number has fallen from 1.4 at the start of April to 0.85 at the end of April.​

​

Denmark’s SSI infectious diseases agency, meanwhile, estimated that Denmark’s had fallen from about 1 at the start of April to about 0.9 at the end of April.​

​

Sweden’s numbers are a standing rebuke to the Imperial College study that has done so much to influence UK policy. Researchers at the university predicted that Sweden’s approach would leave it with an R of above 3, leading to 40,000 coronavirus deaths by May 1. Sweden’s current death tally is just 2,769.​

​

Uno Wennergren, a mathematician and pandemic modeller at Linköping University, suspects Sweden’s low number in part comes from growing levels of immunity in Stockholm, where the outbreak has so far been concentrated, and in part from social distancing.​

​

“It looks like its a combination of herd immunity effect and lower infectability. Both seem to be acting simultaneously,” he said.​

​

Sweden’s state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell now estimates that as many as a quarter of people in Stockholm might already be immune. The capital might have herd immunity within weeks, he argues.​

​

A model could not figure out what happens in one month with very pristine data.

But believe me, the models used for global warming are for certain correct!

Of course one having absolutely nothing to do with the other.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

It's getting harder and harder for the shutdown Nazis to justify continuing this farce:

Sweden did not have a lockdown. Experts predicted that it would have 40,000 COVID-19 deaths by May 1. The actual number was 2,769.​

Sweden did not have a lockdown.​

​

Experts predicted that it would have 40,000 COVID-19 deaths by May 1.​

​

The actual number was 2,769.​

​

The Telegraph just reported:​

​

How Sweden suppressed infection rates without a lockdown​

​

Denmark locked down hard and early, shutting schools, borders, cafés, restaurants and shops. Sweden has taken a light-touch approach, shutting none of these things, and instead relying on the public’s “common sense behaviour”.​

​

If the R number is 1, it means that each person infected goes on to infect an average of one other person during the course of their illness. So long as a country keeps R below one, the number of infections will steadily decrease until the pandemic comes to an end.​

​

The Public Health Institute of Sweden estimated that Sweden’s R number has fallen from 1.4 at the start of April to 0.85 at the end of April.​

​

Denmark’s SSI infectious diseases agency, meanwhile, estimated that Denmark’s had fallen from about 1 at the start of April to about 0.9 at the end of April.​

​

Sweden’s numbers are a standing rebuke to the Imperial College study that has done so much to influence UK policy. Researchers at the university predicted that Sweden’s approach would leave it with an R of above 3, leading to 40,000 coronavirus deaths by May 1. Sweden’s current death tally is just 2,769.​

​

Uno Wennergren, a mathematician and pandemic modeller at Linköping University, suspects Sweden’s low number in part comes from growing levels of immunity in Stockholm, where the outbreak has so far been concentrated, and in part from social distancing.​

​

“It looks like its a combination of herd immunity effect and lower infectability. Both seem to be acting simultaneously,” he said.​

​

Sweden’s state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell now estimates that as many as a quarter of people in Stockholm might already be immune. The capital might have herd immunity within weeks, he argues.​

​

You're not citing the most important figure. DEATHS per million. Sweden having TWENTY PERCENT MORE FATALITIES PER MILLION than the United States is a good thing?

You do realize that 280 deaths per million is .28% of the population. That is just about 1/4 of a percent and these are countries in the top 10 in the world. The overwhelming majority of countries are lower than this. The world-wide deaths from COVID is 0.03%(255,000 out of 8,000,000,000).

And what is your point.

Sweden openly admits they made some big mistakes early on. 1 in 3 deaths are from nursing homes.

But they are are on the downward....

View attachment 332689

Sweden And Denmark Took Very Different Approaches To Fighting The Coronavirus. The Data Shows Many More People Are Dying In Sweden.

Sweden has seen a 34.5% increase in excess deaths this month compared to a 6.5% rise in Denmark.

www.buzzfeed.com

Questions?

Not really.

If you think it makes a point, you are full of shit.

Belgium and Holland took different approaches too. As did the U.K. And on an age adjusted basis, they are doing much worse than Sweden.

Couple that with the fact that Sweden admits they let it get into nursing homes early (and it spiked their deaths hard thus inflating the numbers if you are looking for a true comparison.

Early on 10% of the cases were classified as serious when the average was 4%.

They have, at worse, leveled out, but seems are dropping like other countries in terms of cases and deaths.

Questions ?

 

[HappyJoy]

It's getting harder and harder for the shutdown Nazis to justify continuing this farce:

Sweden did not have a lockdown. Experts predicted that it would have 40,000 COVID-19 deaths by May 1. The actual number was 2,769.​

Sweden did not have a lockdown.​

​

Experts predicted that it would have 40,000 COVID-19 deaths by May 1.​

​

The actual number was 2,769.​

​

The Telegraph just reported:​

​

How Sweden suppressed infection rates without a lockdown​

​

Denmark locked down hard and early, shutting schools, borders, cafés, restaurants and shops. Sweden has taken a light-touch approach, shutting none of these things, and instead relying on the public’s “common sense behaviour”.​

​

If the R number is 1, it means that each person infected goes on to infect an average of one other person during the course of their illness. So long as a country keeps R below one, the number of infections will steadily decrease until the pandemic comes to an end.​

​

The Public Health Institute of Sweden estimated that Sweden’s R number has fallen from 1.4 at the start of April to 0.85 at the end of April.​

​

Denmark’s SSI infectious diseases agency, meanwhile, estimated that Denmark’s had fallen from about 1 at the start of April to about 0.9 at the end of April.​

​

Sweden’s numbers are a standing rebuke to the Imperial College study that has done so much to influence UK policy. Researchers at the university predicted that Sweden’s approach would leave it with an R of above 3, leading to 40,000 coronavirus deaths by May 1. Sweden’s current death tally is just 2,769.​

​

Uno Wennergren, a mathematician and pandemic modeller at Linköping University, suspects Sweden’s low number in part comes from growing levels of immunity in Stockholm, where the outbreak has so far been concentrated, and in part from social distancing.​

​

“It looks like its a combination of herd immunity effect and lower infectability. Both seem to be acting simultaneously,” he said.​

​

Sweden’s state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell now estimates that as many as a quarter of people in Stockholm might already be immune. The capital might have herd immunity within weeks, he argues.​

​

You're not citing the most important figure. DEATHS per million. Sweden having TWENTY PERCENT MORE FATALITIES PER MILLION than the United States is a good thing?

You do realize that 280 deaths per million is .28% of the population. That is just about 1/4 of a percent and these are countries in the top 10 in the world. The overwhelming majority of countries are lower than this. The world-wide deaths from COVID is 0.03%(255,000 out of 8,000,000,000).

And what is your point.

Sweden openly admits they made some big mistakes early on. 1 in 3 deaths are from nursing homes.

But they are are on the downward....

View attachment 332689

Sweden And Denmark Took Very Different Approaches To Fighting The Coronavirus. The Data Shows Many More People Are Dying In Sweden.

Sweden has seen a 34.5% increase in excess deaths this month compared to a 6.5% rise in Denmark.

www.buzzfeed.com

Questions?

Not really.

If you think it makes a point, you are full of shit.

Belgium and Holland took different approaches too. As did the U.K. And on an age adjusted basis, they are doing much worse than Sweden.

Again, why are you ignoring data that is geographically relevant to Sweden and comparing them to hot spots in Western Europe? If Sweden kept the same policy and bordered France they would have been fucked. Instead they are cushioned by countries that all have a lower impact from COVID. You're either an idiot or lying to yourself.

Couple that with the fact that Sweden admits they let it get into nursing homes early (and it spiked their deaths hard thus inflating the numbers if you are looking for a true comparison.

You think Sweden is the only country in that boat? Nursing homes have been hit across the globe.

Early on 10% of the cases were classified as serious when the average was 4%.

The average for whom? Link please.

They have, at worse, leveled out, but seems are dropping like other countries in terms of cases and deaths.

Questions ?

Cases, the last couple of days have been lower, it's not quite a trend yet. Deaths, almost a trend but still not yet.

They also suck at testing so not sure I'd count on their data catching the full extendtof their problem.

 

[Norman]

It's getting harder and harder for the shutdown Nazis to justify continuing this farce:

Sweden did not have a lockdown. Experts predicted that it would have 40,000 COVID-19 deaths by May 1. The actual number was 2,769.​

Sweden did not have a lockdown.​

​

Experts predicted that it would have 40,000 COVID-19 deaths by May 1.​

​

The actual number was 2,769.​

​

The Telegraph just reported:​

​

How Sweden suppressed infection rates without a lockdown​

​

Denmark locked down hard and early, shutting schools, borders, cafés, restaurants and shops. Sweden has taken a light-touch approach, shutting none of these things, and instead relying on the public’s “common sense behaviour”.​

​

If the R number is 1, it means that each person infected goes on to infect an average of one other person during the course of their illness. So long as a country keeps R below one, the number of infections will steadily decrease until the pandemic comes to an end.​

​

The Public Health Institute of Sweden estimated that Sweden’s R number has fallen from 1.4 at the start of April to 0.85 at the end of April.​

​

Denmark’s SSI infectious diseases agency, meanwhile, estimated that Denmark’s had fallen from about 1 at the start of April to about 0.9 at the end of April.​

​

Sweden’s numbers are a standing rebuke to the Imperial College study that has done so much to influence UK policy. Researchers at the university predicted that Sweden’s approach would leave it with an R of above 3, leading to 40,000 coronavirus deaths by May 1. Sweden’s current death tally is just 2,769.​

​

Uno Wennergren, a mathematician and pandemic modeller at Linköping University, suspects Sweden’s low number in part comes from growing levels of immunity in Stockholm, where the outbreak has so far been concentrated, and in part from social distancing.​

​

“It looks like its a combination of herd immunity effect and lower infectability. Both seem to be acting simultaneously,” he said.​

​

Sweden’s state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell now estimates that as many as a quarter of people in Stockholm might already be immune. The capital might have herd immunity within weeks, he argues.​

​

A model could not figure out what happens in one month with very pristine data.

But believe me, the models used for global warming are for certain correct!

Of course one having absolutely nothing to do with the other.

Computer models have a lot to do with computer models.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Why are you comparing Chicago to Sweden?

When did I compare Chicago to Sweden?

How's that working out?

View attachment 332353

Good job Sweden, you're number 1 (Well, not if the U.S. can help it as we'll catch up on deaths per capita soon and already did awhile ago in number of cases per capita)

I believe one guy from the WHO praised Sweden as a model moving forward in the next phase where we will have to open our economies and trust our citizens to know when to social distance. Not based on Sweden's statistical past performance in the bloated number of cases and deaths per capita compared to it's neighbors.

You didn't answer my question. How will your chart look when Norway and Denmark start opening up for business again?

 

[bripat9643]

It's getting harder and harder for the shutdown Nazis to justify continuing this farce:

Sweden did not have a lockdown. Experts predicted that it would have 40,000 COVID-19 deaths by May 1. The actual number was 2,769.​

Sweden did not have a lockdown.​

​

Experts predicted that it would have 40,000 COVID-19 deaths by May 1.​

​

The actual number was 2,769.​

​

The Telegraph just reported:​

​

How Sweden suppressed infection rates without a lockdown​

​

Denmark locked down hard and early, shutting schools, borders, cafés, restaurants and shops. Sweden has taken a light-touch approach, shutting none of these things, and instead relying on the public’s “common sense behaviour”.​

​

If the R number is 1, it means that each person infected goes on to infect an average of one other person during the course of their illness. So long as a country keeps R below one, the number of infections will steadily decrease until the pandemic comes to an end.​

​

The Public Health Institute of Sweden estimated that Sweden’s R number has fallen from 1.4 at the start of April to 0.85 at the end of April.​

​

Denmark’s SSI infectious diseases agency, meanwhile, estimated that Denmark’s had fallen from about 1 at the start of April to about 0.9 at the end of April.​

​

Sweden’s numbers are a standing rebuke to the Imperial College study that has done so much to influence UK policy. Researchers at the university predicted that Sweden’s approach would leave it with an R of above 3, leading to 40,000 coronavirus deaths by May 1. Sweden’s current death tally is just 2,769.​

​

Uno Wennergren, a mathematician and pandemic modeller at Linköping University, suspects Sweden’s low number in part comes from growing levels of immunity in Stockholm, where the outbreak has so far been concentrated, and in part from social distancing.​

​

“It looks like its a combination of herd immunity effect and lower infectability. Both seem to be acting simultaneously,” he said.​

​

Sweden’s state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell now estimates that as many as a quarter of people in Stockholm might already be immune. The capital might have herd immunity within weeks, he argues.​

​

You're not citing the most important figure. DEATHS per million. Sweden having TWENTY PERCENT MORE FATALITIES PER MILLION than the United States is a good thing?

You do realize that 280 deaths per million is .28% of the population. That is just about 1/4 of a percent and these are countries in the top 10 in the world. The overwhelming majority of countries are lower than this. The world-wide deaths from COVID is 0.03%(255,000 out of 8,000,000,000).

And what is your point.

Sweden openly admits they made some big mistakes early on. 1 in 3 deaths are from nursing homes.

But they are are on the downward....

View attachment 332689

Sweden And Denmark Took Very Different Approaches To Fighting The Coronavirus. The Data Shows Many More People Are Dying In Sweden.

Sweden has seen a 34.5% increase in excess deaths this month compared to a 6.5% rise in Denmark.

www.buzzfeed.com

Questions?

Not really.

If you think it makes a point, you are full of shit.

Belgium and Holland took different approaches too. As did the U.K. And on an age adjusted basis, they are doing much worse than Sweden.

Again, why are you ignoring data that is geographically relevant to Sweden and comparing them to hot spots in Western Europe? If Sweden kept the same policy and bordered France they would have been fucked. Instead they are cushioned by countries that all have a lower impact from COVID. You're either an idiot or lying to yourself.

Couple that with the fact that Sweden admits they let it get into nursing homes early (and it spiked their deaths hard thus inflating the numbers if you are looking for a true comparison.

You think Sweden is the only country in that boat? Nursing homes have been hit across the globe.

Early on 10% of the cases were classified as serious when the average was 4%.

The average for whom? Link please.

They have, at worse, leveled out, but seems are dropping like other countries in terms of cases and deaths.

Questions ?

Cases, the last couple of days have been lower, it's not quite a trend yet. Deaths, almost a trend but still not yet.

They also suck at testing so not sure I'd count on their data catching the full extendtof their problem.

I love the way you turds start spewing excuses when inconvenient facts destroy your narrative.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

It's getting harder and harder for the shutdown Nazis to justify continuing this farce:

Sweden did not have a lockdown. Experts predicted that it would have 40,000 COVID-19 deaths by May 1. The actual number was 2,769.​

Sweden did not have a lockdown.​

​

Experts predicted that it would have 40,000 COVID-19 deaths by May 1.​

​

The actual number was 2,769.​

​

The Telegraph just reported:​

​

How Sweden suppressed infection rates without a lockdown​

​

Denmark locked down hard and early, shutting schools, borders, cafés, restaurants and shops. Sweden has taken a light-touch approach, shutting none of these things, and instead relying on the public’s “common sense behaviour”.​

​

If the R number is 1, it means that each person infected goes on to infect an average of one other person during the course of their illness. So long as a country keeps R below one, the number of infections will steadily decrease until the pandemic comes to an end.​

​

The Public Health Institute of Sweden estimated that Sweden’s R number has fallen from 1.4 at the start of April to 0.85 at the end of April.​

​

Denmark’s SSI infectious diseases agency, meanwhile, estimated that Denmark’s had fallen from about 1 at the start of April to about 0.9 at the end of April.​

​

Sweden’s numbers are a standing rebuke to the Imperial College study that has done so much to influence UK policy. Researchers at the university predicted that Sweden’s approach would leave it with an R of above 3, leading to 40,000 coronavirus deaths by May 1. Sweden’s current death tally is just 2,769.​

​

Uno Wennergren, a mathematician and pandemic modeller at Linköping University, suspects Sweden’s low number in part comes from growing levels of immunity in Stockholm, where the outbreak has so far been concentrated, and in part from social distancing.​

​

“It looks like its a combination of herd immunity effect and lower infectability. Both seem to be acting simultaneously,” he said.​

​

Sweden’s state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell now estimates that as many as a quarter of people in Stockholm might already be immune. The capital might have herd immunity within weeks, he argues.​

​

You're not citing the most important figure. DEATHS per million. Sweden having TWENTY PERCENT MORE FATALITIES PER MILLION than the United States is a good thing?

You do realize that 280 deaths per million is .28% of the population. That is just about 1/4 of a percent and these are countries in the top 10 in the world. The overwhelming majority of countries are lower than this. The world-wide deaths from COVID is 0.03%(255,000 out of 8,000,000,000).

And what is your point.

Sweden openly admits they made some big mistakes early on. 1 in 3 deaths are from nursing homes.

But they are are on the downward....

View attachment 332689

Sweden And Denmark Took Very Different Approaches To Fighting The Coronavirus. The Data Shows Many More People Are Dying In Sweden.

Sweden has seen a 34.5% increase in excess deaths this month compared to a 6.5% rise in Denmark.

www.buzzfeed.com

Questions?

Not really.

If you think it makes a point, you are full of shit.

Belgium and Holland took different approaches too. As did the U.K. And on an age adjusted basis, they are doing much worse than Sweden.

Again, why are you ignoring data that is geographically relevant to Sweden and comparing them to hot spots in Western Europe? If Sweden kept the same policy and bordered France they would have been fucked. Instead they are cushioned by countries that all have a lower impact from COVID. You're either an idiot or lying to yourself.

Couple that with the fact that Sweden admits they let it get into nursing homes early (and it spiked their deaths hard thus inflating the numbers if you are looking for a true comparison.

You think Sweden is the only country in that boat? Nursing homes have been hit across the globe.

Early on 10% of the cases were classified as serious when the average was 4%.

The average for whom? Link please.

They have, at worse, leveled out, but seems are dropping like other countries in terms of cases and deaths.

Questions ?

Cases, the last couple of days have been lower, it's not quite a trend yet. Deaths, almost a trend but still not yet.

They also suck at testing so not sure I'd count on their data catching the full extendtof their problem.

Step back and take a breath.

Early on Norway and Denmark both were on pace with Sweden in terms of cases (on a population adjusted basis). They spiked hard because of the nursing home fuck ups.

You are making the same bullshit case that others have tried to make. If Geography plays such a role how come New York/New Jersey have not infected the entire eastern half of the country.

I'll check to see if World O Meters keeps data on the serious stuff. Otherwise it is just an unsubstanciated claim on my part. But I do recall seeing it. It was directly related to the nursing homes.

You can argue the trend if you'd like and I can't disagree. Maybe wishful thinking on my part.

But it sure as shit isn't the disaster it was predicted to be.

 

[HappyJoy]

Why are you comparing Chicago to Sweden?

When did I compare Chicago to Sweden?

How's that working out?

View attachment 332353

Good job Sweden, you're number 1 (Well, not if the U.S. can help it as we'll catch up on deaths per capita soon and already did awhile ago in number of cases per capita)

I believe one guy from the WHO praised Sweden as a model moving forward in the next phase where we will have to open our economies and trust our citizens to know when to social distance. Not based on Sweden's statistical past performance in the bloated number of cases and deaths per capita compared to it's neighbors.

You didn't answer my question. How will your chart look when Norway and Denmark start opening up for business again?

Meant to take that out about Chicago.

You tell me, how will they look? They'll most likely/hopefully have a good chance considering how they have both successfully not just flattened the curve but put it on a downward arch. That plus more testing is when you should consider opening up economies. You don't open up the beaches in the middle of a hurricane.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

It's getting harder and harder for the shutdown Nazis to justify continuing this farce:

Sweden did not have a lockdown. Experts predicted that it would have 40,000 COVID-19 deaths by May 1. The actual number was 2,769.​

Sweden did not have a lockdown.​

​

Experts predicted that it would have 40,000 COVID-19 deaths by May 1.​

​

The actual number was 2,769.​

​

The Telegraph just reported:​

​

How Sweden suppressed infection rates without a lockdown​

​

Denmark locked down hard and early, shutting schools, borders, cafés, restaurants and shops. Sweden has taken a light-touch approach, shutting none of these things, and instead relying on the public’s “common sense behaviour”.​

​

If the R number is 1, it means that each person infected goes on to infect an average of one other person during the course of their illness. So long as a country keeps R below one, the number of infections will steadily decrease until the pandemic comes to an end.​

​

The Public Health Institute of Sweden estimated that Sweden’s R number has fallen from 1.4 at the start of April to 0.85 at the end of April.​

​

Denmark’s SSI infectious diseases agency, meanwhile, estimated that Denmark’s had fallen from about 1 at the start of April to about 0.9 at the end of April.​

​

Sweden’s numbers are a standing rebuke to the Imperial College study that has done so much to influence UK policy. Researchers at the university predicted that Sweden’s approach would leave it with an R of above 3, leading to 40,000 coronavirus deaths by May 1. Sweden’s current death tally is just 2,769.​

​

Uno Wennergren, a mathematician and pandemic modeller at Linköping University, suspects Sweden’s low number in part comes from growing levels of immunity in Stockholm, where the outbreak has so far been concentrated, and in part from social distancing.​

​

“It looks like its a combination of herd immunity effect and lower infectability. Both seem to be acting simultaneously,” he said.​

​

Sweden’s state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell now estimates that as many as a quarter of people in Stockholm might already be immune. The capital might have herd immunity within weeks, he argues.​

​

You're not citing the most important figure. DEATHS per million. Sweden having TWENTY PERCENT MORE FATALITIES PER MILLION than the United States is a good thing?

You do realize that 280 deaths per million is .28% of the population. That is just about 1/4 of a percent and these are countries in the top 10 in the world. The overwhelming majority of countries are lower than this. The world-wide deaths from COVID is 0.03%(255,000 out of 8,000,000,000).

And what is your point.

Sweden openly admits they made some big mistakes early on. 1 in 3 deaths are from nursing homes.

But they are are on the downward....

View attachment 332689

Sweden And Denmark Took Very Different Approaches To Fighting The Coronavirus. The Data Shows Many More People Are Dying In Sweden.

Sweden has seen a 34.5% increase in excess deaths this month compared to a 6.5% rise in Denmark.

www.buzzfeed.com

Questions?

Not really.

If you think it makes a point, you are full of shit.

Belgium and Holland took different approaches too. As did the U.K. And on an age adjusted basis, they are doing much worse than Sweden.

Again, why are you ignoring data that is geographically relevant to Sweden and comparing them to hot spots in Western Europe? If Sweden kept the same policy and bordered France they would have been fucked. Instead they are cushioned by countries that all have a lower impact from COVID. You're either an idiot or lying to yourself.

Couple that with the fact that Sweden admits they let it get into nursing homes early (and it spiked their deaths hard thus inflating the numbers if you are looking for a true comparison.

You think Sweden is the only country in that boat? Nursing homes have been hit across the globe.

Early on 10% of the cases were classified as serious when the average was 4%.

The average for whom? Link please.

They have, at worse, leveled out, but seems are dropping like other countries in terms of cases and deaths.

Questions ?

Cases, the last couple of days have been lower, it's not quite a trend yet. Deaths, almost a trend but still not yet.

They also suck at testing so not sure I'd count on their data catching the full extendtof their problem.

I love the way you turds start spewing excuses when inconvenient facts destroy your narrative.

There is so much data we don't have.

So the story is always a guess.

Look at the U.S.

Take the NorthEast out and we look great.

Where I live, nobody gives a shit about this bug.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Most Swedes are happy with the plan.

11 people in Sweden told us what it's like living in one of the few countries with no compulsory coronavirus lockdown

Sweden refused to implement a lockdown and left schools and restaurants open, relying on people to follow social-distancing guidelines.

www.businessinsider.com

That's the bottom line.

We have morons on this board who actually think we lockdown the way they think a lockdown should be.

Far from it.

 

[HappyJoy]

It's getting harder and harder for the shutdown Nazis to justify continuing this farce:

Sweden did not have a lockdown. Experts predicted that it would have 40,000 COVID-19 deaths by May 1. The actual number was 2,769.​

Sweden did not have a lockdown.​

​

Experts predicted that it would have 40,000 COVID-19 deaths by May 1.​

​

The actual number was 2,769.​

​

The Telegraph just reported:​

​

How Sweden suppressed infection rates without a lockdown​

​

Denmark locked down hard and early, shutting schools, borders, cafés, restaurants and shops. Sweden has taken a light-touch approach, shutting none of these things, and instead relying on the public’s “common sense behaviour”.​

​

If the R number is 1, it means that each person infected goes on to infect an average of one other person during the course of their illness. So long as a country keeps R below one, the number of infections will steadily decrease until the pandemic comes to an end.​

​

The Public Health Institute of Sweden estimated that Sweden’s R number has fallen from 1.4 at the start of April to 0.85 at the end of April.​

​

Denmark’s SSI infectious diseases agency, meanwhile, estimated that Denmark’s had fallen from about 1 at the start of April to about 0.9 at the end of April.​

​

Sweden’s numbers are a standing rebuke to the Imperial College study that has done so much to influence UK policy. Researchers at the university predicted that Sweden’s approach would leave it with an R of above 3, leading to 40,000 coronavirus deaths by May 1. Sweden’s current death tally is just 2,769.​

​

Uno Wennergren, a mathematician and pandemic modeller at Linköping University, suspects Sweden’s low number in part comes from growing levels of immunity in Stockholm, where the outbreak has so far been concentrated, and in part from social distancing.​

​

“It looks like its a combination of herd immunity effect and lower infectability. Both seem to be acting simultaneously,” he said.​

​

Sweden’s state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell now estimates that as many as a quarter of people in Stockholm might already be immune. The capital might have herd immunity within weeks, he argues.​

​

You're not citing the most important figure. DEATHS per million. Sweden having TWENTY PERCENT MORE FATALITIES PER MILLION than the United States is a good thing?

You do realize that 280 deaths per million is .28% of the population. That is just about 1/4 of a percent and these are countries in the top 10 in the world. The overwhelming majority of countries are lower than this. The world-wide deaths from COVID is 0.03%(255,000 out of 8,000,000,000).

And what is your point.

Sweden openly admits they made some big mistakes early on. 1 in 3 deaths are from nursing homes.

But they are are on the downward....

View attachment 332689

Sweden And Denmark Took Very Different Approaches To Fighting The Coronavirus. The Data Shows Many More People Are Dying In Sweden.

Sweden has seen a 34.5% increase in excess deaths this month compared to a 6.5% rise in Denmark.

www.buzzfeed.com

Questions?

Not really.

If you think it makes a point, you are full of shit.

Belgium and Holland took different approaches too. As did the U.K. And on an age adjusted basis, they are doing much worse than Sweden.

Again, why are you ignoring data that is geographically relevant to Sweden and comparing them to hot spots in Western Europe? If Sweden kept the same policy and bordered France they would have been fucked. Instead they are cushioned by countries that all have a lower impact from COVID. You're either an idiot or lying to yourself.

Couple that with the fact that Sweden admits they let it get into nursing homes early (and it spiked their deaths hard thus inflating the numbers if you are looking for a true comparison.

You think Sweden is the only country in that boat? Nursing homes have been hit across the globe.

Early on 10% of the cases were classified as serious when the average was 4%.

The average for whom? Link please.

They have, at worse, leveled out, but seems are dropping like other countries in terms of cases and deaths.

Questions ?

Cases, the last couple of days have been lower, it's not quite a trend yet. Deaths, almost a trend but still not yet.

They also suck at testing so not sure I'd count on their data catching the full extendtof their problem.

I love the way you turds start spewing excuses when inconvenient facts destroy your narrative.

There is so much data we don't have.

So the story is always a guess.

No. The story with more data really could only get worse. We're not going to find that more data brings us less cases and death, only more.

Look at the U.S.

Take the NorthEast out and we look great.

Where I live, nobody gives a shit about this bug.

Not really because then you'd also have to take out large portions of our population. We're still not through this either and lesser populated areas may not make the news they are starting to be a significant percentage of cases and deaths.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

You didn't answer my question. How will your chart look when Norway and Denmark start opening up for business again?

You tell me, how will they look? They'll most likely/hopefully have a good chance considering how they have both successfully not just flattened the curve but put it on a downward arch. That plus more testing is when you should consider opening up economies. You don't open up the beaches in the middle of a hurricane.

They are on a downward arch because they have had most of their society shut down. What do you think will happen as that ends being that there is no vaccine or cure? Logically, it will start to go back up, won't it? Any vaccine that they might come up with is one to two years away by most estimates and assuming that neither Norway nor Denmark will stay closed for that long, because that would be disastrous in so many ways, do you think it's possible that one to two years from now their curves will look much like Sweden? What I'm getting at is maybe Sweden just got the inevitable out of the way up front while the rest of us are simply dragging it out over a longer period of time while introducing far more economic pain. Our response is like treating cancer with chemotherapy. It may ultimately put the cancer in remission, but it also ravages your body in the process.

 

[HappyJoy]

Most Swedes are happy with the plan.

11 people in Sweden told us what it's like living in one of the few countries with no compulsory coronavirus lockdown

Sweden refused to implement a lockdown and left schools and restaurants open, relying on people to follow social-distancing guidelines.

www.businessinsider.com

That's the bottom line.

We have morons on this board who actually think we lockdown the way they think a lockdown should be.

Far from it.

Oh, if polls matter then most Americans don't like they way Trump is handling this and aren't fans of opening up the economy too soon.

Also, on a per capita basis were catching up to Sweden. Don't worry about Norway or Denmark, we left them in the dust a long time ago.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

It's getting harder and harder for the shutdown Nazis to justify continuing this farce:

Sweden did not have a lockdown. Experts predicted that it would have 40,000 COVID-19 deaths by May 1. The actual number was 2,769.​

Sweden did not have a lockdown.​

​

Experts predicted that it would have 40,000 COVID-19 deaths by May 1.​

​

The actual number was 2,769.​

​

The Telegraph just reported:​

​

How Sweden suppressed infection rates without a lockdown​

​

Denmark locked down hard and early, shutting schools, borders, cafés, restaurants and shops. Sweden has taken a light-touch approach, shutting none of these things, and instead relying on the public’s “common sense behaviour”.​

​

If the R number is 1, it means that each person infected goes on to infect an average of one other person during the course of their illness. So long as a country keeps R below one, the number of infections will steadily decrease until the pandemic comes to an end.​

​

The Public Health Institute of Sweden estimated that Sweden’s R number has fallen from 1.4 at the start of April to 0.85 at the end of April.​

​

Denmark’s SSI infectious diseases agency, meanwhile, estimated that Denmark’s had fallen from about 1 at the start of April to about 0.9 at the end of April.​

​

Sweden’s numbers are a standing rebuke to the Imperial College study that has done so much to influence UK policy. Researchers at the university predicted that Sweden’s approach would leave it with an R of above 3, leading to 40,000 coronavirus deaths by May 1. Sweden’s current death tally is just 2,769.​

​

Uno Wennergren, a mathematician and pandemic modeller at Linköping University, suspects Sweden’s low number in part comes from growing levels of immunity in Stockholm, where the outbreak has so far been concentrated, and in part from social distancing.​

​

“It looks like its a combination of herd immunity effect and lower infectability. Both seem to be acting simultaneously,” he said.​

​

Sweden’s state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell now estimates that as many as a quarter of people in Stockholm might already be immune. The capital might have herd immunity within weeks, he argues.​

​

You're not citing the most important figure. DEATHS per million. Sweden having TWENTY PERCENT MORE FATALITIES PER MILLION than the United States is a good thing?

You do realize that 280 deaths per million is .28% of the population. That is just about 1/4 of a percent and these are countries in the top 10 in the world. The overwhelming majority of countries are lower than this. The world-wide deaths from COVID is 0.03%(255,000 out of 8,000,000,000).

And what is your point.

Sweden openly admits they made some big mistakes early on. 1 in 3 deaths are from nursing homes.

But they are are on the downward....

View attachment 332689

Sweden And Denmark Took Very Different Approaches To Fighting The Coronavirus. The Data Shows Many More People Are Dying In Sweden.

Sweden has seen a 34.5% increase in excess deaths this month compared to a 6.5% rise in Denmark.

www.buzzfeed.com

Questions?

Not really.

If you think it makes a point, you are full of shit.

Belgium and Holland took different approaches too. As did the U.K. And on an age adjusted basis, they are doing much worse than Sweden.

Again, why are you ignoring data that is geographically relevant to Sweden and comparing them to hot spots in Western Europe? If Sweden kept the same policy and bordered France they would have been fucked. Instead they are cushioned by countries that all have a lower impact from COVID. You're either an idiot or lying to yourself.

Couple that with the fact that Sweden admits they let it get into nursing homes early (and it spiked their deaths hard thus inflating the numbers if you are looking for a true comparison.

You think Sweden is the only country in that boat? Nursing homes have been hit across the globe.

Early on 10% of the cases were classified as serious when the average was 4%.

The average for whom? Link please.

They have, at worse, leveled out, but seems are dropping like other countries in terms of cases and deaths.

Questions ?

Cases, the last couple of days have been lower, it's not quite a trend yet. Deaths, almost a trend but still not yet.

They also suck at testing so not sure I'd count on their data catching the full extendtof their problem.

I love the way you turds start spewing excuses when inconvenient facts destroy your narrative.

There is so much data we don't have.

So the story is always a guess.

No. The story with more data really could only get worse. We're not going to find that more data brings us less cases and death, only more.

Look at the U.S.

Take the NorthEast out and we look great.

Where I live, nobody gives a shit about this bug.

Not really because then you'd also have to take out large portions of our population. We're still not through this either and lesser populated areas may not make the news they are starting to be a significant percentage of cases and deaths.

Hardly.

62% of our deaths in the Northeast which is about 23% of the population.

I don't get your last statement. We had the whole South Dakota "hot spot" bullshit. Their deaths have climbed (to a whopping 23) which hardly seems to tell a story.

Additionally, you have no way of knowing what has actually gone on.

I posted a story about Washington County Utah (nail salons were classified as essential....as apparently were gold courses). No real issues.

You'd give up about

 

[bripat9643]

It's getting harder and harder for the shutdown Nazis to justify continuing this farce:

Sweden did not have a lockdown. Experts predicted that it would have 40,000 COVID-19 deaths by May 1. The actual number was 2,769.​

Sweden did not have a lockdown.​

​

Experts predicted that it would have 40,000 COVID-19 deaths by May 1.​

​

The actual number was 2,769.​

​

The Telegraph just reported:​

​

How Sweden suppressed infection rates without a lockdown​

​

Denmark locked down hard and early, shutting schools, borders, cafés, restaurants and shops. Sweden has taken a light-touch approach, shutting none of these things, and instead relying on the public’s “common sense behaviour”.​

​

If the R number is 1, it means that each person infected goes on to infect an average of one other person during the course of their illness. So long as a country keeps R below one, the number of infections will steadily decrease until the pandemic comes to an end.​

​

The Public Health Institute of Sweden estimated that Sweden’s R number has fallen from 1.4 at the start of April to 0.85 at the end of April.​

​

Denmark’s SSI infectious diseases agency, meanwhile, estimated that Denmark’s had fallen from about 1 at the start of April to about 0.9 at the end of April.​

​

Sweden’s numbers are a standing rebuke to the Imperial College study that has done so much to influence UK policy. Researchers at the university predicted that Sweden’s approach would leave it with an R of above 3, leading to 40,000 coronavirus deaths by May 1. Sweden’s current death tally is just 2,769.​

​

Uno Wennergren, a mathematician and pandemic modeller at Linköping University, suspects Sweden’s low number in part comes from growing levels of immunity in Stockholm, where the outbreak has so far been concentrated, and in part from social distancing.​

​

“It looks like its a combination of herd immunity effect and lower infectability. Both seem to be acting simultaneously,” he said.​

​

Sweden’s state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell now estimates that as many as a quarter of people in Stockholm might already be immune. The capital might have herd immunity within weeks, he argues.​

​

You're not citing the most important figure. DEATHS per million. Sweden having TWENTY PERCENT MORE FATALITIES PER MILLION than the United States is a good thing?

You do realize that 280 deaths per million is .28% of the population. That is just about 1/4 of a percent and these are countries in the top 10 in the world. The overwhelming majority of countries are lower than this. The world-wide deaths from COVID is 0.03%(255,000 out of 8,000,000,000).

And what is your point.

Sweden openly admits they made some big mistakes early on. 1 in 3 deaths are from nursing homes.

But they are are on the downward....

View attachment 332689

Sweden And Denmark Took Very Different Approaches To Fighting The Coronavirus. The Data Shows Many More People Are Dying In Sweden.

Sweden has seen a 34.5% increase in excess deaths this month compared to a 6.5% rise in Denmark.

www.buzzfeed.com

Questions?

Not really.

If you think it makes a point, you are full of shit.

Belgium and Holland took different approaches too. As did the U.K. And on an age adjusted basis, they are doing much worse than Sweden.

Again, why are you ignoring data that is geographically relevant to Sweden and comparing them to hot spots in Western Europe? If Sweden kept the same policy and bordered France they would have been fucked. Instead they are cushioned by countries that all have a lower impact from COVID. You're either an idiot or lying to yourself.

Couple that with the fact that Sweden admits they let it get into nursing homes early (and it spiked their deaths hard thus inflating the numbers if you are looking for a true comparison.

You think Sweden is the only country in that boat? Nursing homes have been hit across the globe.

Early on 10% of the cases were classified as serious when the average was 4%.

The average for whom? Link please.

They have, at worse, leveled out, but seems are dropping like other countries in terms of cases and deaths.

Questions ?

Cases, the last couple of days have been lower, it's not quite a trend yet. Deaths, almost a trend but still not yet.

They also suck at testing so not sure I'd count on their data catching the full extendtof their problem.

I love the way you turds start spewing excuses when inconvenient facts destroy your narrative.

There is so much data we don't have.

So the story is always a guess.

No. The story with more data really could only get worse. We're not going to find that more data brings us less cases and death, only more.

Look at the U.S.

Take the NorthEast out and we look great.

Where I live, nobody gives a shit about this bug.

Not really because then you'd also have to take out large portions of our population. We're still not through this either and lesser populated areas may not make the news they are starting to be a significant percentage of cases and deaths.

The death rate in New York and New Jersey is far higher than the rest of the country, moron. Taking them out would increase the death rate only if they had a lower death rate.

I love the way you are so transparent about hoping for more deaths in rural areas.

 

[HappyJoy]

You didn't answer my question. How will your chart look when Norway and Denmark start opening up for business again?

You tell me, how will they look? They'll most likely/hopefully have a good chance considering how they have both successfully not just flattened the curve but put it on a downward arch. That plus more testing is when you should consider opening up economies. You don't open up the beaches in the middle of a hurricane.

They are on a downward arch because they have had most of their society shut down. What do you think will happen as that ends being that there is no vaccine or cure? Logically, it will start to go back up, won't it?

Depends on how they open up, how they handle social distancing and how few cases they have. What impact can contact tracing have as an example. What they have been able to do is keep lower their infections much more successfully, kill off fewer of their citizens and their economies didn't really hurt more than Sweden. Imagine that.

Any vaccine that they might come up with is one to two years away by most estimates and assuming that neither Norway nor Denmark will stay closed for that long, because that would be disastrous in so many ways, do you think it's possible that one to two years from now their curves will look much like Sweden?

I don't imagine that Norway or Denmark's trajectory will ever look like Sweden because Sweden will still be in the same boat but they have a head start on that shitty little record of theirs. Their social experiment got them nothing except a headstart on more deaths.

What I'm getting at is maybe Sweden just got the inevitable out of the way up front while the rest of us are simply dragging it out over a longer period of time while introducing far more economic pain. Our response is like treating cancer with chemotherapy. It may ultimately put the cancer in remission, but it also ravages your body in the process.

What did they get out of the way? If there is no vaccine then there is most likely no immunity either and their economy is still hurting as bad as it's neighbors. What exactly did they gain?

Your chemo analogy is weird btw. People can and often do survive Chemo therapy where as if they didn't seek that treatment they most likely would die.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Most Swedes are happy with the plan.

11 people in Sweden told us what it's like living in one of the few countries with no compulsory coronavirus lockdown

Sweden refused to implement a lockdown and left schools and restaurants open, relying on people to follow social-distancing guidelines.

www.businessinsider.com

That's the bottom line.

We have morons on this board who actually think we lockdown the way they think a lockdown should be.

Far from it.

Oh, if polls matter then most Americans don't like they way Trump is handling this and aren't fans of opening up the economy too soon.

Also, on a per capita basis were catching up to Sweden. Don't worry about Norway or Denmark, we left them in the dust a long time ago.

As I said earlier.....62% of deaths in the northeast. Utah sure isn't adding to the "catch up".

Add Illinois and Michigan in there and seven states have 70% of the deaths. In fact (from memory) I did a quick spreadsheet and 1/2 of the states were about 3% of the deaths.

So, stats don't tell the whole story.

 

[HappyJoy]

It's getting harder and harder for the shutdown Nazis to justify continuing this farce:

Sweden did not have a lockdown. Experts predicted that it would have 40,000 COVID-19 deaths by May 1. The actual number was 2,769.​

Sweden did not have a lockdown.​

​

Experts predicted that it would have 40,000 COVID-19 deaths by May 1.​

​

The actual number was 2,769.​

​

The Telegraph just reported:​

​

How Sweden suppressed infection rates without a lockdown​

​

Denmark locked down hard and early, shutting schools, borders, cafés, restaurants and shops. Sweden has taken a light-touch approach, shutting none of these things, and instead relying on the public’s “common sense behaviour”.​

​

If the R number is 1, it means that each person infected goes on to infect an average of one other person during the course of their illness. So long as a country keeps R below one, the number of infections will steadily decrease until the pandemic comes to an end.​

​

The Public Health Institute of Sweden estimated that Sweden’s R number has fallen from 1.4 at the start of April to 0.85 at the end of April.​

​

Denmark’s SSI infectious diseases agency, meanwhile, estimated that Denmark’s had fallen from about 1 at the start of April to about 0.9 at the end of April.​

​

Sweden’s numbers are a standing rebuke to the Imperial College study that has done so much to influence UK policy. Researchers at the university predicted that Sweden’s approach would leave it with an R of above 3, leading to 40,000 coronavirus deaths by May 1. Sweden’s current death tally is just 2,769.​

​

Uno Wennergren, a mathematician and pandemic modeller at Linköping University, suspects Sweden’s low number in part comes from growing levels of immunity in Stockholm, where the outbreak has so far been concentrated, and in part from social distancing.​

​

“It looks like its a combination of herd immunity effect and lower infectability. Both seem to be acting simultaneously,” he said.​

​

Sweden’s state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell now estimates that as many as a quarter of people in Stockholm might already be immune. The capital might have herd immunity within weeks, he argues.​

​

You're not citing the most important figure. DEATHS per million. Sweden having TWENTY PERCENT MORE FATALITIES PER MILLION than the United States is a good thing?

You do realize that 280 deaths per million is .28% of the population. That is just about 1/4 of a percent and these are countries in the top 10 in the world. The overwhelming majority of countries are lower than this. The world-wide deaths from COVID is 0.03%(255,000 out of 8,000,000,000).

And what is your point.

Sweden openly admits they made some big mistakes early on. 1 in 3 deaths are from nursing homes.

But they are are on the downward....

View attachment 332689

Sweden And Denmark Took Very Different Approaches To Fighting The Coronavirus. The Data Shows Many More People Are Dying In Sweden.

Sweden has seen a 34.5% increase in excess deaths this month compared to a 6.5% rise in Denmark.

www.buzzfeed.com

Questions?

Not really.

If you think it makes a point, you are full of shit.

Belgium and Holland took different approaches too. As did the U.K. And on an age adjusted basis, they are doing much worse than Sweden.

Again, why are you ignoring data that is geographically relevant to Sweden and comparing them to hot spots in Western Europe? If Sweden kept the same policy and bordered France they would have been fucked. Instead they are cushioned by countries that all have a lower impact from COVID. You're either an idiot or lying to yourself.

Couple that with the fact that Sweden admits they let it get into nursing homes early (and it spiked their deaths hard thus inflating the numbers if you are looking for a true comparison.

You think Sweden is the only country in that boat? Nursing homes have been hit across the globe.

Early on 10% of the cases were classified as serious when the average was 4%.

The average for whom? Link please.

They have, at worse, leveled out, but seems are dropping like other countries in terms of cases and deaths.

Questions ?

Cases, the last couple of days have been lower, it's not quite a trend yet. Deaths, almost a trend but still not yet.

They also suck at testing so not sure I'd count on their data catching the full extendtof their problem.

I love the way you turds start spewing excuses when inconvenient facts destroy your narrative.

There is so much data we don't have.

So the story is always a guess.

No. The story with more data really could only get worse. We're not going to find that more data brings us less cases and death, only more.

Look at the U.S.

Take the NorthEast out and we look great.

Where I live, nobody gives a shit about this bug.

Not really because then you'd also have to take out large portions of our population. We're still not through this either and lesser populated areas may not make the news they are starting to be a significant percentage of cases and deaths.

Hardly.

62% of our deaths in the Northeast which is about 23% of the population.

I don't get your last statement. We had the whole South Dakota "hot spot" bullshit. Their deaths have climbed (to a whopping 23) which hardly seems to tell a story.

Additionally, you have no way of knowing what has actually gone on.

I posted a story about Washington County Utah (nail salons were classified as essential....as apparently were gold courses). No real issues.

You'd give up about

Why do you just focus on things like South Dakota? You've got Florida opening up as they have not flattened their curve. Same in Georgia. Both of which are in much worse shape than California. Actually California is doing better than most of the country.

Where do think the U.S. would be if we never had stay at home and social distancing measures? You think we'd be at just 73k deaths? As is we're going to end up well over 100k and if the country opens up we will absolutely be worse off than Sweden or maybe even Italy.

 

[Siete]

the Swiss dont have NYC- LA - or HOUSTON surrounded with highly populated suburbs -

stat that kiddies

 

[Sun Devil 92]

It's getting harder and harder for the shutdown Nazis to justify continuing this farce:

Sweden did not have a lockdown. Experts predicted that it would have 40,000 COVID-19 deaths by May 1. The actual number was 2,769.​

Sweden did not have a lockdown.​

​

Experts predicted that it would have 40,000 COVID-19 deaths by May 1.​

​

The actual number was 2,769.​

​

The Telegraph just reported:​

​

How Sweden suppressed infection rates without a lockdown​

​

Denmark locked down hard and early, shutting schools, borders, cafés, restaurants and shops. Sweden has taken a light-touch approach, shutting none of these things, and instead relying on the public’s “common sense behaviour”.​

​

If the R number is 1, it means that each person infected goes on to infect an average of one other person during the course of their illness. So long as a country keeps R below one, the number of infections will steadily decrease until the pandemic comes to an end.​

​

The Public Health Institute of Sweden estimated that Sweden’s R number has fallen from 1.4 at the start of April to 0.85 at the end of April.​

​

Denmark’s SSI infectious diseases agency, meanwhile, estimated that Denmark’s had fallen from about 1 at the start of April to about 0.9 at the end of April.​

​

Sweden’s numbers are a standing rebuke to the Imperial College study that has done so much to influence UK policy. Researchers at the university predicted that Sweden’s approach would leave it with an R of above 3, leading to 40,000 coronavirus deaths by May 1. Sweden’s current death tally is just 2,769.​

​

Uno Wennergren, a mathematician and pandemic modeller at Linköping University, suspects Sweden’s low number in part comes from growing levels of immunity in Stockholm, where the outbreak has so far been concentrated, and in part from social distancing.​

​

“It looks like its a combination of herd immunity effect and lower infectability. Both seem to be acting simultaneously,” he said.​

​

Sweden’s state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell now estimates that as many as a quarter of people in Stockholm might already be immune. The capital might have herd immunity within weeks, he argues.​

​

You're not citing the most important figure. DEATHS per million. Sweden having TWENTY PERCENT MORE FATALITIES PER MILLION than the United States is a good thing?

You do realize that 280 deaths per million is .28% of the population. That is just about 1/4 of a percent and these are countries in the top 10 in the world. The overwhelming majority of countries are lower than this. The world-wide deaths from COVID is 0.03%(255,000 out of 8,000,000,000).

And what is your point.

Sweden openly admits they made some big mistakes early on. 1 in 3 deaths are from nursing homes.

But they are are on the downward....

View attachment 332689

Sweden And Denmark Took Very Different Approaches To Fighting The Coronavirus. The Data Shows Many More People Are Dying In Sweden.

Sweden has seen a 34.5% increase in excess deaths this month compared to a 6.5% rise in Denmark.

www.buzzfeed.com

Questions?

Not really.

If you think it makes a point, you are full of shit.

Belgium and Holland took different approaches too. As did the U.K. And on an age adjusted basis, they are doing much worse than Sweden.

Again, why are you ignoring data that is geographically relevant to Sweden and comparing them to hot spots in Western Europe? If Sweden kept the same policy and bordered France they would have been fucked. Instead they are cushioned by countries that all have a lower impact from COVID. You're either an idiot or lying to yourself.

Couple that with the fact that Sweden admits they let it get into nursing homes early (and it spiked their deaths hard thus inflating the numbers if you are looking for a true comparison.

You think Sweden is the only country in that boat? Nursing homes have been hit across the globe.

Early on 10% of the cases were classified as serious when the average was 4%.

The average for whom? Link please.

They have, at worse, leveled out, but seems are dropping like other countries in terms of cases and deaths.

Questions ?

Cases, the last couple of days have been lower, it's not quite a trend yet. Deaths, almost a trend but still not yet.

They also suck at testing so not sure I'd count on their data catching the full extendtof their problem.

I love the way you turds start spewing excuses when inconvenient facts destroy your narrative.

There is so much data we don't have.

So the story is always a guess.

No. The story with more data really could only get worse. We're not going to find that more data brings us less cases and death, only more.

Look at the U.S.

Take the NorthEast out and we look great.

Where I live, nobody gives a shit about this bug.

Not really because then you'd also have to take out large portions of our population. We're still not through this either and lesser populated areas may not make the news they are starting to be a significant percentage of cases and deaths.

Hardly.

62% of our deaths in the Northeast which is about 23% of the population.

I don't get your last statement. We had the whole South Dakota "hot spot" bullshit. Their deaths have climbed (to a whopping 23) which hardly seems to tell a story.

Additionally, you have no way of knowing what has actually gone on.

I posted a story about Washington County Utah (nail salons were classified as essential....as apparently were gold courses). No real issues.

You'd give up about

Why do you just focus on things like South Dakota? You've got Florida opening up as they have not flattened their curve. Same in Georgia. Both of which are in much worse shape than California. Actually California is doing better than most of the country.

Where do think the U.S. would be if we never had stay at home and social distancing measures? You think we'd be at just 73k deaths? As is we're going to end up well over 100k and if the country opens up we will absolutely be worse off than Sweden or maybe even Italy.

Because some moron brought it up as a hot spot.

And I have not just focused on it. I have been watching the midwest and mountain west with great interest.

I have also been in a large metro area where behaviour was very very lose (with no real issues).

Florida was closed and the curve was not flattened. Wonder why ?

Same for Georgia.

Of course we know New York and New Jersey never figured it out and are still dying.

Where do I think we'd be ?

In many places....no different. Because they were not observing social distancing. I saw it and have heard hundreds of reports of the same......it's not a spotting thing.

We are going to end up at 100 K because of the Northeast. As I've alread shown.

What part of that don't you get ?