Swallowed by Satan: Ex-Gay Porn Star on being saved from Porn, Homosexuality, and the Occult

[emilynghiem]

"Swallowed by Satan: Ex-Gay Porn Star on being saved from Porn, Homosexuality, and the Occult"

This is ridiculous, ignorant, subjective, and irrelevant.

There is no 'Satan,' and one needn't be 'saved' from homosexuality.

And being gay has nothing to do with pornography and the occult any more than being heterosexual does.

Dear C_Clayton_Jones
Yes and no. For those in the secular realm, Satan is just symbolic representation of
"mass fear and ignorance" which causes DIVISION where the spirit of fear, separation and division
is even cited as the cause of racism. See quote by Dr. King on FEAR as the root of human ills:

King Jr. Martin Luther quote-Men often hate each other because they fear each other; they fear each...

King Jr. Martin Luther : Men often hate each other because they fear each other; they fear each other because they don't know each other; they don't know each other because they can not communicate; they can not communicate because they are separated.

This MEANING of Satan as Fear is REAL, just like the MEANING of God as love or God as truth or wisdom is REAL, but doesn't have to be personified as an entity.

However C_Clayton_Jones
for those operating on a spiritual level to heal and free people of sick demonic and satanic obsessions,
Satan and the Hierarchy of Demons is REAL.

SEE Dr. Scott Peck's Books on "Glimpses of the Devil" and "People of the Lie"
As a secular scientist and licensed psychiatrist, Peck also believed wholly as you do
that these delusions of Satan and Demons were part of mental illness and brain chemisty "hallucinations."

That is, until he decided to conduct his own observations on two schizophrenic patients
with the intent of proving his NONBELIEF was right. He was convinced the scientific method
would BACK his claim that these were purely delusional hallucinations in the minds of patients.

Instead he proved himself wrong.

He came face to face with demonic and satanic "personalities" who KNEW things outside
the knowledge of his patients, things personal to him that he was warned these demons would
single out and attack him to try to block him from healing the patients, as a defense mechanism.

Even though he could not prove this with science, it was proven to him personally
that Satan and Demons were DISTINCT entities apart from the mind of the patients who had no control.

He wrote books explaining this process and what he experienced
that convinced him these Demons and Satan were REAL.

Not just symbolic, but real entities operating on a spiritual plane beyond human will and choice.
It was not something made up, because he and his other team members all witnessed the
same phenomena of these personalities/entities acting on their own accord outside the control of
the patients who were victims held hostage until these entities were removed from invading their minds
and taking over their wills.

C_Clayton_Jones
I don't expect you to believe in this without proof.

If you are SO SURE that Peck and other Doctors are WRONG who "changed their minds" after
observing the process and power of exorcism therapy to turn schizo patients back into normal human
beings with restored control of their minds, will and ability to reason they had lost to these invading entities,
then I challenge

YOU

to repeat the same studies that Dr. Peck, Dr. Goldfedder, Dr. MacNutt and other therapists researched
before coming to the conclusion that these spiritual entities were REAL and overtaking the minds of patients until they were properly treated and freed from these spiritual forces.

I can name 3 doctors who changed their minds after observing actual cases of healing sick patients.
Dr. Phillip Goldfedder is a neurosurgeon who changed his practice to go into spiritual healing
after he OBSERVED that it worked more effectively than surgery or other means of treating mental illness
Dr. Francis MacNutt has been providing free spiritual healing, deliverance and exorcism and teaching these methods for over 40 years with NO complaints of fraud or false practice, has written books, and has conducted a medical study published on Rheumatoid Arthritis that showed positive results attributed to the healing methods of his team (using forgiveness therapy and praying for generation healing).
Dr. Scott Peck conducted his observations on two schizophrenic patients in the mid 1980s, and published his accounts in the 1990s. He died of pancreatic cancer which I personally believe is connected to his exposure to the Satanic energy, since he was not fully trained or protected before going into the process.
This negative energy is the equivalent of "radioactive" energy that is behind cancer; where healing people of it has cured cancer. My friend Olivia Reiner in Houston focuses on the same method of healing prayer,
but mainly to help people and families affected by cancer. The experienced healers such as she and Dr. MacNutt know to pray for the people doing the healing because the negative energy can attack anyone.

It is not just "symbolic" but has a REAL effect in the REAL world, as science and medicine can document.

Before you condemn something as false, C_Clayton_Jones
you might want to research this yourself, as other doctors who
did CHANGED THEIR MINDS and used this knowledge to expand their practices to heal more people.

You and others who keep CENSORING this information from being accepted publicly
are basically DEPRIVING others of knowledge and access to FREE HELP that can literally save lives.

People are DYING every day who could be SAVED by these methods
that ignorant people like YOU are teaching others is false, and are denying lifesaving help to others
out of your SELFISH need to reject something you haven't studied.

Do you really want to be on the wrong side of truth, and indirectly responsible for people dying
who could have been saved by FREE HELP???

Fantastic.

You are back to writing entire books for postings.

The world may now continue orbiting the sun.

Dear Statistikhengst
Dr. MacNutt and Dr. Peck are the ones who have already written books on this.
SEE freespiritualhealing

Stat, if you knew, as I do, that these methods can save lives from cancer, schizophrenia,
diabetes, drug and alcohol addiction and abuse, sexual and criminal illnesses like pedophilia,
wouldn't you be eager to get this formally researched so more people could be saved?

If you knew, as I do, that it could change the mental health, medical, prison and health care system
and save billions of dollars in resources that could save millions of lives,
would you stay QUIET?

Wouldn't you want everyone to know this?

 

[emilynghiem]

"the ex-gay movement is growing in number by the day"

By the "number" not numbers. Slow period for convertions?

Dear Taz
It can take years of deep internal work for people to change over time.
I would not count on any kind of instant or sudden change.
That does happen, but normally the most serious deep rooted changes aren't going to happen overnight.

 

[emilynghiem]

"Saved" from homosexuality?

Evil words ^

Inane actually.

Has anyone ever been "saved from heterosexuality"?

Have they been "saved from living a lie pretending to be a heterosexual"?

As soon as you reverse the premise it exposes the absurdity.

YES many people who do come out as gay or transsexual report
being liberated from living a lie.

Thank you, Derideo_Te
You make a great point. It does go both ways.

 

[Pedro de San Patricio]

Ex-Gay Porn Star Says Christians Are Hurting Gays By Not Telling Them The Truth - The Eternal Planner w/ Rob Rennie

Joseph Sciambra: How Our Lord Jesus Christ Saved Me From Homosexuality, Pornography, and the Occult

In the interview, when asked the response he has gotten from going public with his transformation, Joe Sciambra confirms that yes, he does get hateful attacks, blaming him for being
"crazy" or "traitor."

But he says the positive responses balance out for the bad.
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Ex-Gay Porn Star Says Christians Are Hurting Gays By Not Telling Them The Truth
Posted on Dec 2, 2013 in Testimonies by Rob Rennie0 Comments

Ex-gay porn star, Joe Sciambra, author the book, ‘Swallowed By Satan: How Our Lord Jesus Christ Saved Me From Pornography, Homosexuality, And The Occult’ went from gay porn star to Christian bookstore owner. His story is as incredible as the title of his book sounds. His a great example of how the ex-gay movement is growing in number by the day.

I mean, at least he's out of porn now.

 

[emilynghiem]

Ex-Gay Porn Star Says Christians Are Hurting Gays By Not Telling Them The Truth - The Eternal Planner w/ Rob Rennie

Joseph Sciambra: How Our Lord Jesus Christ Saved Me From Homosexuality, Pornography, and the Occult

In the interview, when asked the response he has gotten from going public with his transformation, Joe Sciambra confirms that yes, he does get hateful attacks, blaming him for being
"crazy" or "traitor."

But he says the positive responses balance out for the bad.
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Ex-Gay Porn Star Says Christians Are Hurting Gays By Not Telling Them The Truth
Posted on Dec 2, 2013 in Testimonies by Rob Rennie0 Comments

Ex-gay porn star, Joe Sciambra, author the book, ‘Swallowed By Satan: How Our Lord Jesus Christ Saved Me From Pornography, Homosexuality, And The Occult’ went from gay porn star to Christian bookstore owner. His story is as incredible as the title of his book sounds. His a great example of how the ex-gay movement is growing in number by the day.

I do not believe him. The name of his bookstore St. Joseph's bookstore was a dead giveaway. He's promoting Catholicism. His testimony does not bear witness with my spirit. His answers do not make sense. I find no evidence of a true salvation experience. He is lifting up this term "vocation" a great deal. He's attempting to make Catholicism look as if it has the power to deliver people from homosexuality. It does not. Catholicism has no power to deliver, to heal or to bring salvation to anyone. I would not recommend listening to this man. For anyone seeking deliverance - it does not come from a church or a religion - it comes from Jesus Christ - read the King James Version Bible and ask the LORD to help you find a Bible believing / preaching Church. I can assure the LORD will never lead you to a Roman Catholic / New Age teaching church. EVER.

Hi Jeremiah From the testimonies of people with experience delivering people from abuse and addiction,
the effective healers I know of all credit the authority of Christ Jesus alone, and do not credit any person or group.

The support of the Catholic church may have helped this man,
but for others, the help may have come from Pentecostal or independent ministerial volunteers.

I don't agree with the Catholic church trying to monopolize the authority on exorcisms.
In fact, I find their methods dangerous of inserting priests or exorcists "in the role of Jesus"
when all the reputable healing ministries I know of WARN AGAINST doing that.

The proper and effective way of conducting these healing prayers, whether deliverance or full exorcism,
involves the team submitting and invoking the authority of Christ Jesus but not trying to direct, dictate or
control the process which is understood as up to God's will, not the command of any person.

 

[Pedro de San Patricio]

Ex-Gay Porn Star Says Christians Are Hurting Gays By Not Telling Them The Truth - The Eternal Planner w/ Rob Rennie

Joseph Sciambra: How Our Lord Jesus Christ Saved Me From Homosexuality, Pornography, and the Occult

In the interview, when asked the response he has gotten from going public with his transformation, Joe Sciambra confirms that yes, he does get hateful attacks, blaming him for being
"crazy" or "traitor."

But he says the positive responses balance out for the bad.
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Ex-Gay Porn Star Says Christians Are Hurting Gays By Not Telling Them The Truth
Posted on Dec 2, 2013 in Testimonies by Rob Rennie0 Comments

Ex-gay porn star, Joe Sciambra, author the book, ‘Swallowed By Satan: How Our Lord Jesus Christ Saved Me From Pornography, Homosexuality, And The Occult’ went from gay porn star to Christian bookstore owner. His story is as incredible as the title of his book sounds. His a great example of how the ex-gay movement is growing in number by the day.

I do not believe him. The name of his bookstore St. Joseph's bookstore was a dead giveaway. He's promoting Catholicism. His testimony does not bear witness with my spirit. His answers do not make sense. I find no evidence of a true salvation experience. He is lifting up this term "vocation" a great deal. He's attempting to make Catholicism look as if it has the power to deliver people from homosexuality. It does not. Catholicism has no power to deliver, to heal or to bring salvation to anyone. I would not recommend listening to this man. For anyone seeking deliverance - it does not come from a church or a religion - it comes from Jesus Christ - read the King James Version Bible and ask the LORD to help you find a Bible believing / preaching Church. I can assure the LORD will never lead you to a Roman Catholic / New Age teaching church. EVER.

Hi Jeremiah From the testimonies of people with experience delivering people from abuse and addiction,
the effective healers I know of all credit the authority of Christ Jesus alone, and do not credit any person or group.

The support of the Catholic church may have helped this man,
but for others, the help may have come from Pentecostal or independent ministerial volunteers.

I don't agree with the Catholic church trying to monopolize the authority on exorcisms.
In fact, I find their methods dangerous of inserting priests or exorcists "in the role of Jesus"
when all the reputable healing ministries I know of WARN AGAINST doing that.

The proper and effective way of conducting these healing prayers, whether deliverance or full exorcism,
involves the team submitting and invoking the authority of Christ Jesus but not trying to direct, dictate or
control the process which is understood as up to God's will, not the command of any person.

Are you Catholic?

 

[turzovka]

"Swallowed by Satan: Ex-Gay Porn Star on being saved from Porn, Homosexuality, and the Occult"

This is ridiculous, ignorant, subjective, and irrelevant.

There is no 'Satan,' and one needn't be 'saved' from homosexuality.

And being gay has nothing to do with pornography and the occult any more than being heterosexual does.

I never was sure why I bothered making posts and reading posts on boards like these? It has to be for entertainment purposes only. Nobody changes.

Here is one piece of futility for me, a borderline joke even. Agnostics and atheists rely on science and medical experts to back up many of their claims or positions. However, whenever a scientist or a medical expert disagree with prevailing beliefs or attitudes and testify to the “supernatural” and testify that there is no natural explanation for what they observed and the evidence before them --- it is then their opinions or words are dismissed or ignored, or are accused of lying.

So much for the credibility of those who use science to defend their positions but ignore science when it refutes their position. You cannot break through with those of that ilk. All they need do is align themselves with the majority and somehow that brings a realm of comfort or safety to their preferred state. Of course, it’s a lie.

Yes, people, we surely do have proof the devil is real! I guess I cannot blame you for not wanting to really know.

Then you move into the world of homosexuality. Here we have a “don’t you dare criticize” policy as part of our government, our media, our schools, our culture, our courts. Besides, “there is not a thing wrong with it” and “they were born that way.” Sure thing America. The same America that does not even know God exists, much less even care if He does.

A very cogent position could be offered as to why they are pretty much dead wrong on all of their positions, but it takes time and effort. It has been proffered in these pages many times before and it has been resolutely dismissed. To think culture and environment does not influence sexual experimentation, gratifications, and acquired tendencies is as absurd as can be. To think God does not care how we act and with who we act and what we do with our own bodies is someone who simply does not care about God or possible consequences their apathy may bring. Yes, people, adultery is a tremendously horrible thing, so no one is saying acting gay or being gay is thee sin. Abortion may trump them all. But I have no zeal to go on here. I just marvel at how brave or certain everyone is in that mode “I’m Ok, you’re Ok.”

If that were true, then what is the point of all of our trials and sorrows here on earth? God is no sadist. He has divine purpose for having mankind go through his trials.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Agnostics and atheists rely on science and medical experts to back up many of their claims or positions. However, whenever a scientist or a medical expert disagree with prevailing beliefs or attitudes and testify to the “supernatural” and testify that there is no natural explanation for what they observed and the evidence before them --- it is then their opinions or words are dismissed or ignored, or are accused of lying.

Nonsense!

Atheists and agnostics have no problem whatsoever with acknowledging gaps in our scientific knowledge base.

However when it comes to the "supernatural" there is no scientific evidence to support it.

None whatsoever!

Now if you can provide peer reviewed reproducible scientific evidence for the existence of the "supernatural" then you might have something.

Until then all you have is bupkiss!

 

[Compost]

If a white woman can be black if she feeeels black and a man who undergoes surgery to feminize his features while keeping his penis feeeeels like a girl, we are all expected to support their brave decision and celebrate their victory from the shackles of what they were!

Why then, is this porn star's story roundly poo pooed? Could it be that God (or satan) just can't compete with the credibility of FEELINGS?

 

[Moonglow]

Eh, he's not the first...I am glad he is happy with his direction in life, since we only have one short time on this planet, happiness is a goal of many...

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

An ex-gay porn star? I'll bet he knows a lot about swallowing.

Quick, Joe! get down on your knees and pray!

Porn star? Was in the Fun With Animals of Chattanooga County film/video series?

 

[Pedro de San Patricio]

If a white woman can be black if she feeeels black and a man who undergoes surgery to feminize his features while keeping his penis feeeeels like a girl, we are all expected to support their brave decision and celebrate their victory from the shackles of what they were!

Why then, is this porn star's story roundly poo pooed? Could it be that God (or satan) just can't compete with the credibility of FEELINGS?

I don't think it's part of an actual social platform. I think it's just a knee jerk response to a gay man choosing not to be how they think a gay man should be.

 

[Pedro de San Patricio]

If a white woman can be black if she feeeels black and a man who undergoes surgery to feminize his features while keeping his penis feeeeels like a girl, we are all expected to support their brave decision and celebrate their victory from the shackles of what they were!

Why then, is this porn star's story roundly poo pooed? Could it be that God (or satan) just can't compete with the credibility of FEELINGS?

I don't think it's part of an actual social platform. I think it's just a knee jerk response to a gay man choosing not to be how they think a gay man should be.

Uh huh. Who is "they"?

The people in this thread doing the poo pooing?

 

[Compost]

If a white woman can be black if she feeeels black and a man who undergoes surgery to feminize his features while keeping his penis feeeeels like a girl, we are all expected to support their brave decision and celebrate their victory from the shackles of what they were!

Why then, is this porn star's story roundly poo pooed? Could it be that God (or satan) just can't compete with the credibility of FEELINGS?

I don't think it's part of an actual social platform. I think it's just a knee jerk response to a gay man choosing not to be how they think a gay man should be.

Uh huh. Who is "they"?

The people in this thread doing the poo pooing?

Well. It looks like you and I agree. Now, do you suppose we could convince those who have knee jerk responses to consider that maybe they ought to think with something other than their knees?!

 

[emilynghiem]

Agnostics and atheists rely on science and medical experts to back up many of their claims or positions. However, whenever a scientist or a medical expert disagree with prevailing beliefs or attitudes and testify to the “supernatural” and testify that there is no natural explanation for what they observed and the evidence before them --- it is then their opinions or words are dismissed or ignored, or are accused of lying.

Nonsense!

Atheists and agnostics have no problem whatsoever with acknowledging gaps in our scientific knowledge base.

However when it comes to the "supernatural" there is no scientific evidence to support it.

None whatsoever!

Now if you can provide peer reviewed reproducible scientific evidence for the existence of the "supernatural" then you might have something.

Until then all you have is bupkiss!

Dear Derideo_Te
1. Perhaps this is true for the people like you who seek to be more objective, open and fair.
Not everyone is like you!

There are as many "religiously fundamentalistic" theists as atheists
more intent on sticking to and defending their beliefs, in whatever means are convenient for THEM,
rather than trying to work things out logistically. Not everyone shares the same faith in that process.

I've met plenty of nonbelievers quick to assume X Y Z with a strong "anti" bias.
This is just human to do that.
Most people I know are human, regardless if we are theist or nontheist.

2. And as for "proving or disproving" anything "supernatural" existing,
what about life itself? What we are used to calling natural, we cannot explain where it came from.
isn't Life itself something that transcends these "labels" of what is natural or supernatural.
What about the power of love, touch, forgiveness and kindness to HEAL.
How does that process WORK. couldn't that be both scientific/natural
and "supernatural" as in where does the love and positive life energy
come from that moves the mind/body to heal?

What if we could describe the same healing process in both
natural and supernatural terms. Does it make it any more true or false depending which language we use?

 

[Derideo_Te]

Agnostics and atheists rely on science and medical experts to back up many of their claims or positions. However, whenever a scientist or a medical expert disagree with prevailing beliefs or attitudes and testify to the “supernatural” and testify that there is no natural explanation for what they observed and the evidence before them --- it is then their opinions or words are dismissed or ignored, or are accused of lying.

Nonsense!

Atheists and agnostics have no problem whatsoever with acknowledging gaps in our scientific knowledge base.

However when it comes to the "supernatural" there is no scientific evidence to support it.

None whatsoever!

Now if you can provide peer reviewed reproducible scientific evidence for the existence of the "supernatural" then you might have something.

Until then all you have is bupkiss!

Dear Derideo_Te
1. Perhaps this is true for the people like you who seek to be more objective, open and fair.
Not everyone is like you!

There are as many "religiously fundamentalistic" theists as atheists
more intent on sticking to and defending their beliefs, in whatever means are convenient for THEM,
rather than trying to work things out logistically. Not everyone shares the same faith in that process.

I've met plenty of nonbelievers quick to assume X Y Z with a strong "anti" bias.
This is just human to do that.
Most people I know are human, regardless if we are theist or nontheist.

2. And as for "proving or disproving" anything "supernatural" existing,
what about life itself? What we are used to calling natural, we cannot explain where it came from.
isn't Life itself something that transcends these "labels" of what is natural or supernatural.
What about the power of love, touch, forgiveness and kindness to HEAL.
How does that process WORK. couldn't that be both scientific/natural
and "supernatural" as in where does the love and positive life energy
come from that moves the mind/body to heal?

What if we could describe the same healing process in both
natural and supernatural terms. Does it make it any more true or false depending which language we use?

You are ascribing a lack of scientific knowledge to be "evidence" of the "supernatural".

That is the exact same mistake people living in the stone age made only they had the valid excuse on not having the benefit of our current level of scientific knowledge.

What is your excuse today?

A logical and rational approach is to accept that there are still gaps in our knowledge that will continue to be filled.

An illogical and irrational approach is to pretend that these gaps are "evidence" of your mythical "creator" because you want to have a warm and fuzzy feeling.

Your choice.