Sure, This Can Only Be Explained By Evolution

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    The operation of this incredible machine, at over 70 wing movements a second, make the evolutionary theory seem silly.......... are we really suppose to believe this extremely efficent design was just an accident?

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8vjYTXgIJw&feature=channel]YouTube - Time Warp: Hummingbird[/ame]
     
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    It's not an "accident," but rather tiny genetic mutations that accumulate over generations to produce new traits, and processes that make these variations more common or rare [i.e. natural selection].

    It's just science. :)
     
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    I'm a designer, you'll need to do better than "it's science". "Science" has been proven wrong continually since the first "scientists" barfed up their ideas about whatever they studied. Why would this bird need to "evolve" to just drink from particular flowers that needed the abilities it's capable of, why not just feed from flowers that were easier to access. Why would this bird evolve this far and yet a shark hasn't changed much since it's original design. We are suppose to buy that this incredible bird started as a spark in the primordial ooze.
     
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    Hummingbirds and flowers are funny because they co-evolve- variations in the flowers caused variations in the birds and vice-versa, mutualism resulting from the bird's need for food and the plant's need for pollination. As for "this bird evolve this far" vis-a-vis the shark, that's kind of a silly claim. By what criteria is one more evolved than the other? Sharks emerged on the earth 420 million years ago and were very different, eventually evolving into the sharks we know today, most of which have been around for 100 million years. The notion that sharks "are the same as their original design" is a popular misconception.

    Anyway, what's your take? "Somebody *hint hint* had to design it, a superpowerful being!" Well, that's great. I don't care. Maybe some higher power did design everything. But whatever that higher power "designed", we call it evolution.
     
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    Someday, if you have time pick up a copy of "Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors." Carl Sagan.. I thought it a very thought provoking book.



    Sagan and Druyan argue that territoriality, xenophobia, ethnocentrism, occasional outbreeding and a preference for small, semi-isolated groups are elements in a survival strategy common to many species, including Homo sapiens. They assert that society's problems increasingly demand global solutions and require a dramatic, strategic shift which the authors believe humankind is capable of achieving. The authors discuss the evolution of Earth's atmosphere and life forms, the genetic code, and the advantages of sexual reproduction. The final third of the book deals chimpanzees, baboons and apes, with the authors finding the social lives of these primates "hauntingly familiar" to the lives of humans with their dominance hierarchy, combat, suppression of females and chimps' remarkable ability to communicate through symbols.



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadows_of_Forgotten_Ancestors_(book)
     
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    Haha, that's crazy willow, I was about to quote our post and quote the wiki on it, but then you put it in your post. Got me confused for a second.

    Anyway, it looks like a really interesting read. I'll try to find it. Thanks for the suggestion. :)
     
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    Your ignorance is astounding, The moment you said 'accident', any hint of credibility was lost


    You are proof that a designer need not be intelligent. I hereby forward the Retarded Designer Hypothesis

    You're a fucking idiot. 'Science' has never been 'proven wrong'

    Who said anything about a 'need'
    Who said the flowers were like that to begin with?

    These bird seems to find these flowers plenty easy to access- oh, not to mention that only ignorant fools like you try to read 'motivation' or desire into genetic drift and mutation.

    1- There is no why'
    2-'this far'? You have no idea what you're talking about.

    1-Do tell what the shark's 'original design' was and prove it
    2-You're presupposing design- because you're an idiot

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    Who said a bird was electricity. try going to school or reading a science book inste4ad of getting your information regarding sciece from the bible and tract Society
     
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    you sound like the idiot! Isn't there room for discussion?
     
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    Actually, I'm the smart one correcting the IDiot

    intelligent discussion, sure. the retarded talking points in the OP, no.
     
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    well, since he started the discussion and you don't think there's room for discussion just name calling I'd say you still win the "idiot" prize!
     

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