Strom Thurmond...Jesse Helms...Where Was the Reverence Then??

[paperview]

whatever, hon. here's a newsflash- i don't give a flying fuck what you think.

keep it under your hat, mmkay?

Keep what under my hat?

The love child or the flying fuck?

Need a pretty big hat for both.

both

Maybe I could borrow one of yours...

 

[paperview]

Del,

Don't you just love the baby lib's these days. All they do is say "Got a link" I wonder what they would have done before they had the internet.

That's cute.

Even after the internet, lots of cons still believe every wild-eyed accusation and charge.

If it fits their wingnut framework of preconceived beliefs.

Damn those of us who ask for available proof and verification.

Damn us.

Damn us all to hell.

.

 

[Dr.House]

I'm sure the libs are giddy with anticipation for the Wellstone-like funeral coming up...

Wonder if it will be even worse than that one...

 

[del]

Del,

Don't you just love the baby lib's these days. All they do is say "Got a link" I wonder what they would have done before they had the internet.

i do the same thing, so i can't really fault them.
i knew when i put it up that i'd get that reaction.
there was no time before the internet.

 

[del]

Del,

Don't you just love the baby lib's these days. All they do is say "Got a link" I wonder what they would have done before they had the internet.

That's cute.

Even after the internet, lots of cons still believe every wild-eyed accusation and charge.

If it fits their wingnut framework of preconceived beliefs.

Damn those of us who ask for available proof and verification.

Damn us.

Damn us all to hell.

.

*shrug*

okee-dokee

 

[del]

Keep what under my hat?

The love child or the flying fuck?

Need a pretty big hat for both.

both

Maybe I could borrow one of yours...

the fuck will escape unless you clip its wings, and the baby will suffocate.

what kind of an animal are you?

 

[del]

IM not-in-the-least HO, neither Thurmond nor Helms really deserved to have had their wrinkled up old butts parked in the Senate for anywhere near as long as they were.

Thurmond was a segregationationist-turned-neocon, and the only thing I can recall Helms doing of any relative value is whistling Dixie when he was in an elevator with Maxine "Pickle Puss" Waters.

While Three Martini Ted used his name to evade service in Korea, Thurmond was a Normandy vet and bona-fide ass kicker:

After the outbreak of World War II, Judge Thurmond resigned from the bench to serve in the U.S. Army, rising to Lieutenant Colonel. In the Battle of Normandy (June 6 – August 25, 1944), he landed in a glider attached to the 82nd Airborne Division. For his military service, he received 18 decorations, medals and awards, including the Legion of Merit with Oak Leaf Cluster, Bronze Star with Valor device, Purple Heart, World War II Victory Medal, European-African-Middle Eastern Campaign Medal, Belgium's Order of the Crown and France's Croix de Guerre. During 1954–55 he was president of the Reserve Officers Association. He later retired from the U.S. Army Reserves with the rank of Major General.

Strom Thurmond - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Aside from the aforementioned encounter, Helms was the longest serving elected Senator in NC, and every bit the kind of hardassed party man that the hack from Hyannis was.

Where were the leftists in media and elsewhere when those old "loins" kicked the bucket??

To repeat....Fuck Ted Kennedy.

No hypocracy here?

24 hours 18 minutes, that's how long the longest filibuster in Senate history lasted. Why? Strom, the guy with the black daughter, was protesting civil rights?

Thurgood Marshall as the first black justice of the Supreme Court in 1967 was basiclly verbally assaulted by Strom.

Then you bring up his military record.

I know a man who enlisted in the Marines, then the Navy Medical Corp where he was validictorian, served on the team that performed surgery on President Johnson AND recieved three White House Commendations. His name was Wright and his life was made miserable by people like Strom. Ironic?

only in america could two men from such disparate backgrounds grow up to be successful racists.

brings a tear to my eye.

 

[paperview]

both

Maybe I could borrow one of yours...

the fuck will escape unless you clip its wings, and the baby will suffocate.

what kind of an animal are you?

That's what the condom is for, goofbucket.

 

[DiamondDave]

No... KENNEDY did not HELP.. Kennedy tried to have government gain in size and power to be used for supposed "help"

that's a philosophical difference, DD. most people think that things like education, health care and civil rights are pretty important.

so whether you *think* he helped or not, he advanced his worldview... probably more than either of his brothers did.

and thats why the unbelievable hatred from the rightwingnuts ... who can't even be respectful when someone dies.

No it is not a philosophical difference.... are you helping someone else when nothing comes from you and it comes forcibly from some other entity??? Kennedy really COULD have helped others by giving of himself or his own actions... this he did not do

 

[paperview]

No... KENNEDY did not HELP.. Kennedy tried to have government gain in size and power to be used for supposed "help"

that's a philosophical difference, DD. most people think that things like education, health care and civil rights are pretty important.

so whether you *think* he helped or not, he advanced his worldview... probably more than either of his brothers did.

and thats why the unbelievable hatred from the rightwingnuts ... who can't even be respectful when someone dies.

No it is not a philosophical difference.... are you helping someone else when nothing comes from you and it comes forcibly from some other entity??? Kennedy really COULD have helped others by giving of himself or his own actions... this he did not do

All I can say is: You don't know much about Kennedy.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

You can find good and and bad in everyone. Even me.. I know that's hard to believe, but it's true. Ted Kennedy, was the epitome of what a liberal is, he wanted those that worked to pay for those that didn't, in other words, he was generous with other people's money. Those on the right are no more venomous towards Kennedy as the left was to Tony Snow or Ronald Reagan.

those threads were posted YESTERDAY and your observation is three shades of fucking retarded. Dig up Snow, Reagan and Buckely's threads and you won't find the fucking scrum pile-on from the left that you see here. FACT.

Are you saying no one on the left has said vile things about Snow or Reagan? And I'm not talking about the USMB left wing idiots exclusively but the left wing idiots as a whole.

 

[rdean]

Del,

Don't you just love the baby lib's these days. All they do is say "Got a link" I wonder what they would have done before they had the internet.

Democrats have always had to talk to each other. To discuss. To agree or agree to diagree.

It's simple for Republicans. They are nearly all of a similiar age, religion and color. They are like "Patty and Cathy".

THEY LOOK ALIKE
THEY WALK ALIKE
AT TIMES THEY EVEN TALK ALIKE
YOU COULD LOSE YOUR MIND...

 

[Oddball]

No hypocracy here?

24 hours 18 minutes, that's how long the longest filibuster in Senate history lasted. Why? Strom, the guy with the black daughter, was protesting civil rights?

Thurgood Marshall as the first black justice of the Supreme Court in 1967 was basiclly verbally assaulted by Strom.

Then you bring up his military record.

I know a man who enlisted in the Marines, then the Navy Medical Corp where he was validictorian, served on the team that performed surgery on President Johnson AND recieved three White House Commendations. His name was Wright and his life was made miserable by people like Strom. Ironic?

In no way am I pimping for Thurmond here....It's more than obvious he did some pretty fucked up shit in his domestic and political life. Both Kennedy and Thiurmond were sleazeballs, yet only one of them has been feted as a borderline saint, while the other's death was pretty much greeted with "good riddance".....I'm the one being consistent here, in saying good riddance to both.

Speaking of verbal assaults of SCOTUS nominees and justices, have you forgotten Tanqueray Ted's verbal lambasting of Robert Bork and Clarence Thomas so soon?

The military record was made in comparison with Kennedy and nobody else. In one of the other threads, I compared his dubious record -where he used his family name to avoid Korean service- and Senator Hubert Humphrey, who tried repeatedly to join up to fight WWII and was rejected every time.

 

[rdean]

No hypocracy here?

24 hours 18 minutes, that's how long the longest filibuster in Senate history lasted. Why? Strom, the guy with the black daughter, was protesting civil rights?

Thurgood Marshall as the first black justice of the Supreme Court in 1967 was basiclly verbally assaulted by Strom.

Then you bring up his military record.

I know a man who enlisted in the Marines, then the Navy Medical Corp where he was validictorian, served on the team that performed surgery on President Johnson AND recieved three White House Commendations. His name was Wright and his life was made miserable by people like Strom. Ironic?

In no way am I pimping for Thurmond here....It's more than obvious he did some pretty fucked up shit in his domestic and political life. Both Kennedy and Thiurmond were sleazeballs, yet only one of them has been feted as a borderline saint, while the other's death was pretty much greeted with "good riddance".....I'm the one being consistent here, in saying good riddance to both.

Speaking of verbal assaults of SCOTUS nominees and justices, have you forgotten Tanqueray Ted's verbal lambasting of Robert Bork and Clarence Thomas so soon?

The military record was made in comparison with Kennedy and nobody else. In one of the other threads, I compared his dubious record -where he used his family name to avoid Korean service- and Senator Hubert Humphrey, who tried repeatedly to join up to fight WWII and was rejected every time.

Clarence Thomas? How long was that guy a judge before he became a Supreme Court Judge? Two weeks. Never? Sotomayor had 17 years of court cases to review. Did Thomas have even one?

Robert Bork. You would think that he would be the Republicans biggest nightmare. A Supreme Court Judge that believed no American had a Constitutional right to Privacy. And the Right DEFENDS this stance? It has always boggled my mind. The hypocrisy of a party that says "Keep government out of my life" wants to make someone a Supreme Count Judge that believes no American has a "constitutional rigth to privacy"?

 

[Oddball]

Open mouth, insert foot: Clarence Thomas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Both Bork and Thomas were very qualified, your irrelevant opinion on their politics nonwithstanding, and both were mercilessly and extremely hyperbolically vilified by the Lounge Lizard.

That is and was the only point here.

 

[rdean]

Open mouth, insert foot: Clarence Thomas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Both Bork and Thomas were very qualified, your irrelevant opinion on their politics nonwithstanding, and both were mercilessly and extremely hyperbolically vilified by the Lounge Lizard.

That is and was the only point here.

Wow, thank you for pointing out Thomas vast experience as a judge. 19 months. It's great that they had so much information to go on. Famous court cases like, uh, well, wait, was he a judge long enough to even rule on a case? Who knows? Oh well.

Bork's politics? That he believed no US citizen, UNDER THE CONSTITUTION" had any right to privacy???????????????????? And you don't see that as "relevant"??????????? As a Supreme Court Judge??????? Seriously????????????

You got me, I'm stumped.

 

[Oddball]

And his career involvement in law since 1974 vis completely irrelevant?

That aside, is there any constituional requirement whatsoever for anyone to be a judge prior to being a SCOTUS justice?

Moreover, this is all irrelevant to the fact that Kennedy excoriated the man for no reason other than for his politics.

 

[Sidestreamer]

IM not-in-the-least HO, neither Thurmond nor Helms really deserved to have had their wrinkled up old butts parked in the Senate for anywhere near as long as they were.

Thurmond was a segregationationist-turned-neocon, and the only thing I can recall Helms doing of any relative value is whistling Dixie when he was in an elevator with Maxine "Pickle Puss" Waters.

While Three Martini Ted used his name to evade service in Korea, Thurmond was a Normandy vet and bona-fide ass kicker:

After the outbreak of World War II, Judge Thurmond resigned from the bench to serve in the U.S. Army, rising to Lieutenant Colonel. In the Battle of Normandy (June 6 – August 25, 1944), he landed in a glider attached to the 82nd Airborne Division. For his military service, he received 18 decorations, medals and awards, including the Legion of Merit with Oak Leaf Cluster, Bronze Star with Valor device, Purple Heart, World War II Victory Medal, European-African-Middle Eastern Campaign Medal, Belgium's Order of the Crown and France's Croix de Guerre. During 1954–55 he was president of the Reserve Officers Association. He later retired from the U.S. Army Reserves with the rank of Major General.

Strom Thurmond - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Aside from the aforementioned encounter, Helms was the longest serving elected Senator in NC, and every bit the kind of hardassed party man that the hack from Hyannis was.

Where were the leftists in media and elsewhere when those old "loins" kicked the bucket??

To repeat....Fuck Ted Kennedy.

Well aside from being an old fart I think Kennedy passed, what, how many pieces of legislation? More than Thurmond, and he got a long a lot better than the guy who was known as "Senator No."

So many righties and psuedolibertarians like yourself will try to trivialize everything Kennedy has done in the Senate but agree with him or not he got a lot more shit done than the average president, let alone senator.

 

[DiveCon]

IM not-in-the-least HO, neither Thurmond nor Helms really deserved to have had their wrinkled up old butts parked in the Senate for anywhere near as long as they were.

Thurmond was a segregationationist-turned-neocon, and the only thing I can recall Helms doing of any relative value is whistling Dixie when he was in an elevator with Maxine "Pickle Puss" Waters.

While Three Martini Ted used his name to evade service in Korea, Thurmond was a Normandy vet and bona-fide ass kicker:

After the outbreak of World War II, Judge Thurmond resigned from the bench to serve in the U.S. Army, rising to Lieutenant Colonel. In the Battle of Normandy (June 6 – August 25, 1944), he landed in a glider attached to the 82nd Airborne Division. For his military service, he received 18 decorations, medals and awards, including the Legion of Merit with Oak Leaf Cluster, Bronze Star with Valor device, Purple Heart, World War II Victory Medal, European-African-Middle Eastern Campaign Medal, Belgium's Order of the Crown and France's Croix de Guerre. During 1954–55 he was president of the Reserve Officers Association. He later retired from the U.S. Army Reserves with the rank of Major General.

Strom Thurmond - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Aside from the aforementioned encounter, Helms was the longest serving elected Senator in NC, and every bit the kind of hardassed party man that the hack from Hyannis was.

Where were the leftists in media and elsewhere when those old "loins" kicked the bucket??

To repeat....Fuck Ted Kennedy.

Well aside from being an old fart I think Kennedy passed, what, how many pieces of legislation? More than Thurmond, and he got a long a lot better than the guy who was known as "Senator No."

So many righties and psuedolibertarians like yourself will try to trivialize everything Kennedy has done in the Senate but agree with him or not he got a lot more shit done than the average president, let alone senator.

uh, and in how many of those years was teddy in the majority party vs how many was Thurmond?

LOL
not even close

 

[Sweet Willy]

Now, to get the thread back on track, where was all the reverence from the left for Hems and Thurmond?

July 1, 2003

Strom Thurmond was the only man whom I knew who in a literal sense lived in three distinct and separate periods of American history, and lived what would have been considered a full life in each of those periods, particularly in his beloved South.

Born into an era of essentially unchallenged and unexamined mores of the South, reaching his full maturity in a era of fully challenged and critically examined bankrupt mores of his beloved South, and living out his final three decades in a South that had formally rejected its past on race -- in each of these stages, my observation -- and I was only with him the last three decades -- Strom represented exactly where he came from.

There's an old hymn that includes these lyrics: "Once to every man and nation comes the moment to decide/ In the strife of truth with falsehood, for the good or evil side/ Then it is the brave man chooses while the coward stands aside"...

I went to the Senate emboldened, angered and outraged at age 29 about the treatment of African-Americans in this country, what everything that for a period in his life Strom had represented...

Strom knew America was changing, and that there was a lot he didn't understand about that change. Much of that change challenged many of his long-held views. But he also saw his beloved South Carolina and the people of South Carolina changing as well, and he knew the time had come to change himself.

But I believe the change came to him easily. I believe he welcomed it, because I watched others of his era fight that change and never ultimately change.

It would be humbling to think that I was among those who had some influence on his decision, but I know better. The place in which I work is a majestic place. If you're there long enough, it has an impact on you. You cannot if you respect those with whom you serve fail to understand how deeply they feel about things differently than you. And over time, I believe it has an affect on you.

This is a man, who in 1947, the New York Times ran a lead editorial saying, "Strom Thurmond, Hope of the South," and talked about how he had set up reading programs, get better books for separate, but equal schools. This is a man who was opposed to the poll tax. This is am an who I watched vote for the extension of the Voting Rights Act. This is a man who I watched vote for the Martin Luther King Holiday.

And it's fairly easy to say today that that was pure political expediency, but I choose to believe otherwise. I choose to believe that Strom Thurmond was doing what few do once they pass the age of 50: He was continuing to grow, continuing to change.

His offices were next door to mine in the Russell Building, or more appropriately mine were next to his. And over the years, I remember seeing a lot change, including the number of African- Americans on his staff and African-Americans who sought his help.

For the man who will see, time heals, time changes and time leads him to truth. But only a special man like Strom would have the courage to accept it, the grace to acknowledge it and the humility in the face of lasting enmity and mistrust to pursue it until the end.

There's a personal lesson that comes from a page in American political history that is yet unwritten, but nevertheless, it resonates in my heart. I mentioned it on the floor of the Senate the other day. It's a lesson of redemption that I think applies today, and I think Strom, as he listens, will appreciate it.

When I first arrived in the Senate, in 1972, I met with John Stennis, another old Southern senator, who became my friend. We sat at the other end of this gigantic, grand mahogany table he used as his desk that had been the desk of Richard Russell's. It was a table upon which the Southern Manifesto was signed, I am told. The year was 1972.

Senator Stennis patted the leather chair next to him when I walked in to pay my respects as a new young senator, which was the order of the day. And he said, Sit down, sit down, sit down here, son. And those who serve with him know he always talked like this.

And he looked at me and he said, Son, what made you run for the Senate? And like a darn fool I told him the exact truth before I could of it, I said, Civil rights, sir. And as soon as I did I could feel the beads of perspiration pop out of my head and get that funny feeling. And he looked at me and said, Good, good, good. And that was the end of the conversation. (LAUGHTER)

Well, 18 years later, after us having shared a hospital suite for three months at Walter Reed and after him having tried to help me in another pursuit I had, we'd become friends.

I saw him sitting behind that same table 18 years later, only this time in a wheelchair. His leg had been amputated because of cancer. And I was going to look at offices, because in my seniority his office was available as he was leaving.

I went in and sat down and he looked at me as if it were yesterday and he said, Sit down, Joe, sit down, and tapped that chair. And he said something that startled me. He said, Remember the first time you came to see me, Joe? And I shook my head, I didn't remember. And he leaned forward and he recited the story.

I said to him, I was a pretty smart young fellow, wasn't I, Mr. Chairman? He said, Joe, I wanted to tell you something then that I'm going to tell you now. You are going to take my office, aren't you? And I said, Yes, sir, Mr. Chairman.

And he ran his hand back and forth across that mahogany table in a loving way, and he said, You see this table, Joe? This is the God's truth. He said, You see this table?

And I said, Yes, sir, Mr. Chairman. He said, This table was the flagship of the Confederacy from 1954 to 1968. He said, We sat here, most of us from the Deep South, the old Confederacy, and we planned the demise of the civil rights movement.

Then he looked at me and said, And now it's time, it's time that this table go from the possession of a man against civil rights to a man who is for civil rights.

And I was stunned. And he said, One more thing, Joe, he said. The civil rights movement did more to free the white man than the black man.

And I looked at him, I didn't know what he meant, and he said in only John Stennis fashion, he said, It freed my soul, it freed my soul.

Strom Thurmond's soul is free today. His soul is free. The Bible says, Learn to do well, seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow, come now and let us reason together, though your sins may be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow.

Strom, today there are no longer any issues to debate, there's only peace, a patch of common ground and the many memories that you've left behind.

- Joe Biden, delivering eulogy for Strom Thurmond.