I fail to see how what I said was race baiting when you brought up the entire idea that we should stop letting non-white immigrants into the country.I do not appreciate name calling and do not stoop to it. I say what I believe and no doubt some will think that I am wrong. That does not, however,change my viewpoint or make me question what I believe.Your position is obvious. YOu support an open border, and your implied reason was the tradition of immigration as written on the statue of liberty.
But, instead of replying seriously and honestly to my response, you get evasive and use a strawman.
No she did not use a strawman, you did.
This whole thread is based on a strawman. Whites have never done all the work here in this country. that's a lie.
She made a vague and unclear comment. If my read on her position was incorrect, I am open to a clarification.
Nothing I said, justified her bullshit about "whites only". That was her being a race baiting ass.
AND there is nothing in the op that claims that whites did ALL the work.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND, that when you lie like that, that you are telling everyone that you know you cannot defend your positions honestly? That you know, on some level, that you are in the wrong?
Remember also that "what you heard may not be what I said."
I support open borders that allow men, women and children from war torn countries to come and find freedom to survive. People like my friend who came here because they were going to kill him in his country for trying to help the poor. People who are terrorized by their own greedy, authoritarian leaders.
The United States has always been a place where folks come for religious freedom, freedom of the press, freedom of speech and freedom of thought. We who were born here love those freedoms. Many of those who want to come here are deprived of those freedoms where they live.
So, yes I believe in open borders and open hearts, not just because of tradition, but because of love for humankind.
When you race bait with shit like "white only" you are in effect calling me a very vile name.
Don't pretend otherwise, because I won't.
The US is not responsible for the world's problems nor solving them. We have as high a percentage of foreign born and second generation immigrants as we have ever had.
We need to STOP immigration or we will not be assimilating them, they will be assimilating US.
We will NOT being helping the world if we destroy the Exceptional Culture that has done so much good in the world.
Nothing I said, justifies you claiming that I want a whites only America. Thus, your response to my policy position was to FUCKING LIE ABOUT IT, and dishonestly twist it into a racial issue.
Anyway, in response to your sentence "We need to stop immigration or we will not be assimilating them, they will be assimilating us." I need to share this with you and anyone else who needs to see it.
In his Study of History, Volume 1, Arnold Toynbee has shown how race feeling has become a principality and power and a dominion, as a consequence of Western civilization over the face of the earth since the fifteenth century.
He points out that in all the countries of this expansion where White people from Western Europe have settled “cheek by jowl” with representatives of other races, there are three elements in the situation which between them go far toward accounting for the strength and virulence of Western race feeling in our time.
First, the white people have established an ascendancy over the people of other races with whom they have come to share their new homes.
Secondly, these white masters have almost everywhere abused their power in some way and in some degree.
Thirdly, they are haunted by a perpetual fear that someday the positions may be reversed; that by weight of superior numbers or by more successful adaptation to the local climate or by ability to survive in a lower level of subsistence or by readiness to do harder physical or intellectual work, the Man of Color may eventually bring the white man’s ascendancy to an end and perhaps even establish an ascendancy of his own over the white man.
Actually here in America, for many generations, we have had a national consensus among white people that we would do all that we could to end any lingering "ascendancy" of whites by uplifting and discriminating in favor of blacks in that belief that this would lead to some form of racial harmony and happiness.
It is only recently, and still not reflected in policy, that a minority of whites such as myself, have noted that our attempts to discriminate in favor of blacks, have A resulted in massive anti-white discrimination and increasing racial strife, especially in the for of an expectation of Privilege and Pay Back on the part of Blacks and Browns.
Thus, your theory, holds no water, at least in relation to the US.
Thanks for playing though.