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Why are you so intentionally stupid? I have a set cubic foot price. I bend that policy on occasion to help out struggling home owners who otherwise couldn't afford nice upgrades. Other businesses call it a sale. I don't offer sales.
Stop being stupid
Really?
And then, there is this:
"Then there are customers like my current one who I've made a fortune off of because he has more money than self control. We just installed a fucking hand hammered copper tub in his master suite."
Wanna tell me again about that cubic foot price?
In some cases maybe but for the most part this is a bullshit excuse for not being competitive. Being able to read the market is far more important than being fixated on an arbitrary dollar value.
I am often told I'm not the lowest bid but I'm hired anyhow on reputation. So the "low baller" loses out more often than not in my experience.
It's wanting to sustain the $80 / hr or whatever that plumbers in the region are charging, and not have some asshole fuck up the value perception by charging only $20 / hr.
Noodle on that; maybe you'll grow a funtioning brain cell.
Like I said. You don't know what you're talking about.
You called me a low baller so lets dig into your claim.
The average plumber around here gets about 125 an hour.
For a new shower valve installation my charge starts at 150 and it takes on average 30 minutes.
Roman tub valves I get 250 and it takes about an hour or just over.
Vessel installation I get 60 bucks and it takes 20 minites.
Sink faucets I get 125 and the time is also short.
Tub installation I charge half the price of the tub depending on the model.
Extra shower heads or body valves 80 bucks and it takes about 15 minutes
Custom shower pans a flat rate between 300 and 500 depending on size
Heated floor 10 sq ft to run water or electrical lines.
You don't know me or my business. You don't know the market value in my region for the services I offer. So when I say I've offered deep discounts and you call me a low baller you just look foolish.
Just tuck your tail and slither out fool
As I said. The value of labor is very mysterious.
It's wanting to sustain the $80 / hr or whatever that plumbers in the region are charging, and not have some asshole fuck up the value perception by charging only $20 / hr.
Noodle on that; maybe you'll grow a funtioning brain cell.
Like I said. You don't know what you're talking about.
You called me a low baller so lets dig into your claim.
The average plumber around here gets about 125 an hour.
For a new shower valve installation my charge starts at 150 and it takes on average 30 minutes.
Roman tub valves I get 250 and it takes about an hour or just over.
Vessel installation I get 60 bucks and it takes 20 minites.
Sink faucets I get 125 and the time is also short.
Tub installation I charge half the price of the tub depending on the model.
Extra shower heads or body valves 80 bucks and it takes about 15 minutes
Custom shower pans a flat rate between 300 and 500 depending on size
Heated floor 10 sq ft to run water or electrical lines.
You don't know me or my business. You don't know the market value in my region for the services I offer. So when I say I've offered deep discounts and you call me a low baller you just look foolish.
Just tuck your tail and slither out fool
How much of your charge do your employees get?
Like I said. You don't know what you're talking about.
You called me a low baller so lets dig into your claim.
The average plumber around here gets about 125 an hour.
For a new shower valve installation my charge starts at 150 and it takes on average 30 minutes.
Roman tub valves I get 250 and it takes about an hour or just over.
Vessel installation I get 60 bucks and it takes 20 minites.
Sink faucets I get 125 and the time is also short.
Tub installation I charge half the price of the tub depending on the model.
Extra shower heads or body valves 80 bucks and it takes about 15 minutes
Custom shower pans a flat rate between 300 and 500 depending on size
Heated floor 10 sq ft to run water or electrical lines.
You don't know me or my business. You don't know the market value in my region for the services I offer. So when I say I've offered deep discounts and you call me a low baller you just look foolish.
Just tuck your tail and slither out fool
How much of your charge do your employees get?
18 hr and 22hr for my two remaing guys. The others were between 12 and 15 before things required their lay offs.
How much of your charge do your employees get?
18 hr and 22hr for my two remaing guys. The others were between 12 and 15 before things required their lay offs.
So...you charge $150 for a shower valve installation and you pay your workers, at best, half of $22 for a half hour job? 11 bucks? At the low end, it's $7.50. And you keep the rest.
Out of this comes expenses and materials. The rest is yours, right?
Yet, by your own admission plumbers average around $125 per hour, or $62.50 per half hour.
Yep...I was right. If I were a union organizer, I'd have your shop union within a month. You're fucking your employees badly. You know...the employees you claim to care so much about. AND, you're lowballing every other plumbing contractor around and pocketing the difference.
You're the poster child for what's wrong with unrestrained capitalism.
What is it with you idiots and your ASSumptions?How much of your charge do your employees get?
18 hr and 22hr for my two remaing guys. The others were between 12 and 15 before things required their lay offs.
So...you charge $150 for a shower valve installation and you pay your workers, at best, half of $22 for a half hour job? 11 bucks? At the low end, it's $7.50. And you keep the rest.
Out of this comes expenses and materials. The rest is yours, right?
Yet, by your own admission plumbers average around $125 per hour, or $62.50 per half hour.
Yep...I was right. If I were a union organizer, I'd have your shop union within a month. You're fucking your employees badly. You know...the employees you claim to care so much about. AND, you're lowballing every other plumbing contractor around and pocketing the difference.
You're the poster child for what's wrong with unrestrained capitalism.
18 hr and 22hr for my two remaing guys. The others were between 12 and 15 before things required their lay offs.
So...you charge $150 for a shower valve installation and you pay your workers, at best, half of $22 for a half hour job? 11 bucks? At the low end, it's $7.50. And you keep the rest.
Out of this comes expenses and materials. The rest is yours, right?
Yet, by your own admission plumbers average around $125 per hour, or $62.50 per half hour.
Yep...I was right. If I were a union organizer, I'd have your shop union within a month. You're fucking your employees badly. You know...the employees you claim to care so much about. AND, you're lowballing every other plumbing contractor around and pocketing the difference.
You're the poster child for what's wrong with unrestrained capitalism.
Yeah and you can bet every time he's paid in cash the government never knows a damn thing about that piece of work. I know a guy who runs a little country garage and he actually gives a discount for cash. A guy like me who worked over forty years drawing a regular paycheck has all taxes withheld before he draws a cent and the big boys have a hundred ways they can keep from paying what they owe. The ones who run a high level, visible operation pay accountants and tax specialists to be sure they don't pay much income tax i.e. Romney's 14%.
I know a guy who has built over 1200 metal buildings(Kirby Steel) since the mid 70's. He lives in a small mansion near the third hole of one of the best golf courses in the SE United States and once he told me that if he ever had to pay more than 20% off his net in any kind of taxes he would fire his tax accountant and hire another one. He plays $10 and $20 slot machines at the casinos and when he gets drunk he plays high stakes poker.
A working stiff gets fucked coming and going.
I have lowered our labor rates substantially in order to keep help on and maintain a constant work flow. I have also asked my help to take less pay on certain jobs where deeper discounts were given in order to secure future work.
That as opposed to the liberal mentaliry that I "deserve" my wage thus insuring if work is slow I will have none at all.
This entire country is going through a severe crunch and to simply expect the wealthy to bare the burden is obsurd. My help is not whining. They are thankful that they are able to stay off the ue line and know that when things turn around they can once again prosper. Your calls for shared sacrifice are a joke when the only ones sharing are the job creators.
Did you lower your own pay by the same percentage?
My profit margin has shrunk quite a bit yes. In order to maintain the same profits I would have to lay off most of my help.
I just negged you both for being little whiney bitches. Put your big boy pants on and find a real issue to moan about.
I just negged you both for being little whiney bitches. Put your big boy pants on and find a real issue to moan about.
Neg this you self indulging son-of-a-bitch. I was raised during a time when ordinary people had nothing. Before unions finally won(with bloodshed) the right to maintain collective bargaining companies sapped the life's blood out of everyone. It's exactly where the wealthy and their bitches in the house of representatives are trying to take this country back to. Everything from their desire to return women to submissive roles to teaching a fairy tale in public schools. SCREW the Right wing assholes and the Republican party. I wouldn't give them enough warm piss to take a pill.
I just negged you both for being little whiney bitches. Put your big boy pants on and find a real issue to moan about.
Neg this you self indulging son-of-a-bitch. I was raised during a time when ordinary people had nothing. Before unions finally won(with bloodshed) the right to maintain collective bargaining companies sapped the life's blood out of everyone. It's exactly where the wealthy and their bitches in the house of representatives are trying to take this country back to. Everything from their desire to return women to submissive roles to teaching a fairy tale in public schools. SCREW the Right wing assholes and the Republican party. I wouldn't give them enough warm piss to take a pill. [/QUOTE said:boo hoo [/quote said:By god down here in this "Red" state, TN...........of course all the thumpers voted for Rumulus so once again I lost my vote but after sane people went to the polls in other states I felt redeemed:
So...you charge $150 for a shower valve installation and you pay your workers, at best, half of $22 for a half hour job? 11 bucks? At the low end, it's $7.50. And you keep the rest.
Out of this comes expenses and materials. The rest is yours, right?
Yet, by your own admission plumbers average around $125 per hour, or $62.50 per half hour.
Yep...I was right. If I were a union organizer, I'd have your shop union within a month. You're fucking your employees badly. You know...the employees you claim to care so much about. AND, you're lowballing every other plumbing contractor around and pocketing the difference.
You're the poster child for what's wrong with unrestrained capitalism.
Yeah and you can bet every time he's paid in cash the government never knows a damn thing about that piece of work. I know a guy who runs a little country garage and he actually gives a discount for cash. A guy like me who worked over forty years drawing a regular paycheck has all taxes withheld before he draws a cent and the big boys have a hundred ways they can keep from paying what they owe. The ones who run a high level, visible operation pay accountants and tax specialists to be sure they don't pay much income tax i.e. Romney's 14%.
I know a guy who has built over 1200 metal buildings(Kirby Steel) since the mid 70's. He lives in a small mansion near the third hole of one of the best golf courses in the SE United States and once he told me that if he ever had to pay more than 20% off his net in any kind of taxes he would fire his tax accountant and hire another one. He plays $10 and $20 slot machines at the casinos and when he gets drunk he plays high stakes poker.
A working stiff gets fucked coming and going.
Oh for fucks sake. Could you possibly cry any more?
You guys are pathetic.
Yeah and you can bet every time he's paid in cash the government never knows a damn thing about that piece of work. I know a guy who runs a little country garage and he actually gives a discount for cash. A guy like me who worked over forty years drawing a regular paycheck has all taxes withheld before he draws a cent and the big boys have a hundred ways they can keep from paying what they owe. The ones who run a high level, visible operation pay accountants and tax specialists to be sure they don't pay much income tax i.e. Romney's 14%.
I know a guy who has built over 1200 metal buildings(Kirby Steel) since the mid 70's. He lives in a small mansion near the third hole of one of the best golf courses in the SE United States and once he told me that if he ever had to pay more than 20% off his net in any kind of taxes he would fire his tax accountant and hire another one. He plays $10 and $20 slot machines at the casinos and when he gets drunk he plays high stakes poker.
A working stiff gets fucked coming and going.
Oh for fucks sake. Could you possibly cry any more?
You guys are pathetic.
Lessee if I got this right:
YOU started a thread about "whining about making less money," in which YOU positioned yourself as the greatest boss in the world who really, really cares about his employees.
Then YOU criticized those workers for wanting to be paid what they're owed, as if being paid what you're owed is a bad thing.
Then, WE took you to task over it and you got mad. What did you expect from this thread? That everyone would line up, pat you on the back and tell you what a good boy you've been? Well...you haven't been!
So, now...you neg US for whining?
Boy, that's rich!
If you can't stand the heat, don't come in the kitchen.
