Stoning in Germany

[PaintMyHouse]

Who could not see this coming? Two men, with a history of prior assaults stoned a Trans woman in Germany.

The Jerusalem Post

Jerusalem Post???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

root of stoning in islam=
jewish tribe was in islam land..
jewish tribe asked mohammad a question.if jewish woman cheated .what we can do?
and mohammad said= Anything that is written in the torah
.then jewish tribe stoning ............
many moslem believed mohammad just respect jewish rule and religious and islam dont believed stoning

Which modern days Jews are stoning gays?

DONT BE DUMB

jewish= 18 million
moslem=1300 million
controlling 18 million in two country (most jewish live in israel and usa) is very easy
+jews cant stoning gays.because israel regime rule dont let them
this people love stoning:
dont forget burning moslem children by jewish

 

[deltex1]

Who could not see this coming? Two men, with a history of prior assaults stoned a Trans woman in Germany.

The Jerusalem Post

Jerusalem Post???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

root of stoning in islam=
jewish tribe was in islam land..
jewish tribe asked mohammad a question.if jewish woman cheated .what we can do?
and mohammad said= Anything that is written in the torah
.then jewish tribe stoning ............
many moslem believed mohammad just respect jewish rule and religious and islam dont believed stoning

Which modern days Jews are stoning gays?

DONT BE DUMB

jewish= 18 million
moslem=1300 million
controlling 18 million in two country (most jewish live in israel and usa) is very easy
+jews cant stoning gays.because israel regime rule dont let them
this people love stoning:
dont forget burning moslem children by jewish

That could be a tough one for Dani...if we stay with modern...current....up to date activity.

 

[deltex1]

Who could not see this coming? Two men, with a history of prior assaults stoned a Trans woman in Germany.

The Jerusalem Post

Jerusalem Post???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

root of stoning in islam=
jewish tribe was in islam land..
jewish tribe asked mohammad a question.if jewish woman cheated .what we can do?
and mohammad said= Anything that is written in the torah
.then jewish tribe stoning ............
many moslem believed mohammad just respect jewish rule and religious and islam dont believed stoning

Which modern days Jews are stoning gays?

DONT BE DUMB

jewish= 18 million
moslem=1300 million
controlling 18 million in two country (most jewish live in israel and usa) is very easy
+jews cant stoning gays.because israel regime rule dont let them
this people love stoning:
dont forget burning moslem children by jewish

Who could not see this coming? Two men, with a history of prior assaults stoned a Trans woman in Germany.

The Jerusalem Post

Jerusalem Post???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

root of stoning in islam=
jewish tribe was in islam land..
jewish tribe asked mohammad a question.if jewish woman cheated .what we can do?
and mohammad said= Anything that is written in the torah
.then jewish tribe stoning ............
many moslem believed mohammad just respect jewish rule and religious and islam dont believed stoning

Which modern days Jews are stoning gays?

DONT BE DUMB

jewish= 18 million
moslem=1300 million
controlling 18 million in two country (most jewish live in israel and usa) is very easy
+jews cant stoning gays.because israel regime rule dont let them
this people love stoning:
dont forget burning moslem children by jewish

but most terrorist are?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Jerusalem Post???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

root of stoning in islam=
jewish tribe was in islam land..
jewish tribe asked mohammad a question.if jewish woman cheated .what we can do?
and mohammad said= Anything that is written in the torah
.then jewish tribe stoning ............
many moslem believed mohammad just respect jewish rule and religious and islam dont believed stoning

Which modern days Jews are stoning gays?

DONT BE DUMB

jewish= 18 million
moslem=1300 million
controlling 18 million in two country (most jewish live in israel and usa) is very easy
+jews cant stoning gays.because israel regime rule dont let them
this people love stoning:
dont forget burning moslem children by jewish

Jerusalem Post???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

root of stoning in islam=
jewish tribe was in islam land..
jewish tribe asked mohammad a question.if jewish woman cheated .what we can do?
and mohammad said= Anything that is written in the torah
.then jewish tribe stoning ............
many moslem believed mohammad just respect jewish rule and religious and islam dont believed stoning

Which modern days Jews are stoning gays?

DONT BE DUMB

jewish= 18 million
moslem=1300 million
controlling 18 million in two country (most jewish live in israel and usa) is very easy
+jews cant stoning gays.because israel regime rule dont let them
this people love stoning:
dont forget burning moslem children by jewish

but most terrorist are?

So? Stop fucking with their world. They aren't blowing your shit up, usually, now are they?

 

[Coyote]

The irony of this thread is that I serously doubt the OP or many of those expressing horror at this give a damn about transexuals or homosexual rights if it wasn't for the Muslim aspect

Exactly right. They'd be more than happy to stone the faggots, if they could get away with it.

The point you and Coyote are missing here is that Christian religion considers it morally wrong and a sin. Whilst most Sharia inspired govt consider it a CRIME.. That's a big difference.

And ACTING on that belief that it is a crime and STONING someone is a far cry from carrying a protest sign or demanding that your kid's school back down from allowing trannies to CHOOSE a bathroom..

It's a crime in majority Christian nations in Africa - it's considered a CRIME. If it weren't for international financial pressure (not church pressure) - Uganda would have imposed the death penalty. The only reason it's a crime is RELIGION.

Let's talk about acting on that belief:

South America (pretty much 100% Christian)
Marking Transgender Day of Remembrance Around the Globe | Human Rights Campaign
Several transgender women have been killed in Argentina in the past few months, including transgender activist Diana Sacayán. It’s been reported that transgender people have been murdered in El Salvador and most recently, a transgender man in Japan was brutally murdered.
Transgender Europe’s Trans Murder Monitoring (TMM) project reported that at least 1,700 transgender and gender-expansive people were killed in the last seven years. Brazil and Mexico have the highest number of reported murders of transgender and gender-expansive people.

770 LGBT killings and major assaults in the Americas
Through its Registry of Violence (only available in Spanish), IACHR found that at least 594 LGBTI persons were murdered and 176 more were victims of serious injury in 25 OAS of the Member States during this period. Almost half of the 594 murders were trans women.

In at least 75 countries homosexuality is illegal - we *know* it is in most Muslim majority countries, and the penalties are often harsher. 10 (out of 50) Muslim majority nations have the death penalty (though how often it's actually enforced is unknown). Yet the Christian religion can hardly be absolved of blame and that is what happens over and over. What comes to mind is the saying about getting your own house in order first.

Here is a list of all countries with anti-homosexual laws: http://76crimes.com/76-countries-where-homosexuality-is-illegal/ - 34 of which are in Africa, both Islamic and Christian majority states.

Perhaps what's most telling about the role of religion, is the role of certain American churches in promoting anti-homosexual legislation criminalizing sodomy in African countries.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/world/africa/04uganda.html

One month after the conference, a previously unknown Ugandan politician, who boasts of having evangelical friends in the American government, introduced the Anti-Homosexuality Bill of 2009, which threatens to hang homosexuals, and, as a result, has put Uganda on a collision course with Western nations.

Donor countries, including the United States, are demanding that Uganda’s government drop the proposed law, saying it violates human rights, though Uganda’s minister of ethics and integrity (who previously tried to ban miniskirts) recently said, “Homosexuals can forget about human rights.”
The Ugandan government, facing the prospect of losing millions in foreign aid, is now indicating that it will back down, slightly, and change the death penalty provision to life in prison for some homosexuals. But the battle is far from over.

Instead, Uganda seems to have become a far-flung front line in the American culture wars, with American groups on both sides, the Christian right and gay activists, pouring in support and money as they get involved in the broader debate over homosexuality in Africa.
​

And, it's not just Uganda US Religious Right Presses Anti-gay Laws in Africa

Religion is domesticated in the West, but it finds fertile ground in developing countries like Africa where the line between religion and state is week or, in the case of some Muslim-majority nations, non-existent.

But the other interesting thing is this: the OP event itself. People pick up stones and throw it at a trans person. It becomes a "stoning" - an entire new meaning even though the act of throwing rocks at other people for no other reason than that they are different is not uncommon. In the end - why is throwing rocks at a trans person somehow worse than stomping them with jackboots?

 

[Jarlaxle]

Religion at work, and play.

THe trans woman stated that this is the first time in thirty years in Germany, a majority Christian nation, that she felt unsafe.

Your attempt to hide from the truth is intellectually dishonest and reeks of moral cowardice.

These reactionaries are asswipes, like all reactionaries. Evil peas in an evil pods, religion at work.

How about if you get a different house to paint?

How about if you go fuck yourself? I'm allowed to say that, this is Zone 3.

Get rid of religion and these backwards asswipes, like most here, no longer get to kill people in the name of their god.

It's just wearisome to constantly hear the same tired retorhic from you, Paint. Can't you hum a different tune?

No. He's a little slow now...he has huffed way too much paint, after all.

 

[skye]

Who could not see this coming? Two men, with a history of prior assaults stoned a Trans woman in Germany.






They stone and rape ....that's what they do.

In their "travel brochures"( in a manner of speaking) inviting them to these European countries , it says all those "activities" is a given, a tourist attraction so to speak, rape to your hearts content!

And the police/ authorities in those countries help them...they hide their crimes from the native population.....like what happened in Cologne for New Year.

so

that's how it is.... welcome to Eurabia.

 

[bodecea]

Who could not see this coming? Two men, with a history of prior assaults stoned a Trans woman in Germany.

The Jerusalem Post

A trans what? Man, woman, he/she, it? Take your pick. Maybe this wouldn't be happening if it weren't being shoved down our throats. No wonder it's an issue: 3% of a special interest group are FORCING the rest of us normals to accommodate their weirdness. Go figure.

^ blames stoning on victim.

 

[flacaltenn]

The irony of this thread is that I serously doubt the OP or many of those expressing horror at this give a damn about transexuals or homosexual rights if it wasn't for the Muslim aspect

Exactly right. They'd be more than happy to stone the faggots, if they could get away with it.

The point you and Coyote are missing here is that Christian religion considers it morally wrong and a sin. Whilst most Sharia inspired govt consider it a CRIME.. That's a big difference.

And ACTING on that belief that it is a crime and STONING someone is a far cry from carrying a protest sign or demanding that your kid's school back down from allowing trannies to CHOOSE a bathroom..

It's a crime in majority Christian nations in Africa - it's considered a CRIME. If it weren't for international financial pressure (not church pressure) - Uganda would have imposed the death penalty. The only reason it's a crime is RELIGION.

Let's talk about acting on that belief:

South America (pretty much 100% Christian)
Marking Transgender Day of Remembrance Around the Globe | Human Rights Campaign
Several transgender women have been killed in Argentina in the past few months, including transgender activist Diana Sacayán. It’s been reported that transgender people have been murdered in El Salvador and most recently, a transgender man in Japan was brutally murdered.
Transgender Europe’s Trans Murder Monitoring (TMM) project reported that at least 1,700 transgender and gender-expansive people were killed in the last seven years. Brazil and Mexico have the highest number of reported murders of transgender and gender-expansive people.

770 LGBT killings and major assaults in the Americas
Through its Registry of Violence (only available in Spanish), IACHR found that at least 594 LGBTI persons were murdered and 176 more were victims of serious injury in 25 OAS of the Member States during this period. Almost half of the 594 murders were trans women.

In at least 75 countries homosexuality is illegal - we *know* it is in most Muslim majority countries, and the penalties are often harsher. 10 (out of 50) Muslim majority nations have the death penalty (though how often it's actually enforced is unknown). Yet the Christian religion can hardly be absolved of blame and that is what happens over and over. What comes to mind is the saying about getting your own house in order first.

Here is a list of all countries with anti-homosexual laws: http://76crimes.com/76-countries-where-homosexuality-is-illegal/ - 34 of which are in Africa, both Islamic and Christian majority states.

Perhaps what's most telling about the role of religion, is the role of certain American churches in promoting anti-homosexual legislation criminalizing sodomy in African countries.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/world/africa/04uganda.html

One month after the conference, a previously unknown Ugandan politician, who boasts of having evangelical friends in the American government, introduced the Anti-Homosexuality Bill of 2009, which threatens to hang homosexuals, and, as a result, has put Uganda on a collision course with Western nations.

Donor countries, including the United States, are demanding that Uganda’s government drop the proposed law, saying it violates human rights, though Uganda’s minister of ethics and integrity (who previously tried to ban miniskirts) recently said, “Homosexuals can forget about human rights.”
The Ugandan government, facing the prospect of losing millions in foreign aid, is now indicating that it will back down, slightly, and change the death penalty provision to life in prison for some homosexuals. But the battle is far from over.

Instead, Uganda seems to have become a far-flung front line in the American culture wars, with American groups on both sides, the Christian right and gay activists, pouring in support and money as they get involved in the broader debate over homosexuality in Africa.
​

And, it's not just Uganda US Religious Right Presses Anti-gay Laws in Africa

Religion is domesticated in the West, but it finds fertile ground in developing countries like Africa where the line between religion and state is week or, in the case of some Muslim-majority nations, non-existent.

But the other interesting thing is this: the OP event itself. People pick up stones and throw it at a trans person. It becomes a "stoning" - an entire new meaning even though the act of throwing rocks at other people for no other reason than that they are different is not uncommon. In the end - why is throwing rocks at a trans person somehow worse than stomping them with jackboots?

Just because they are majority christian or muslim states doesn't mean that is the CAUSE of the persecution. ANY state is gonna have a "majority religion". And it does not necessarily correlate with the reasons why there are persecutions and murders. In Africa -- MOST places are tyrant dominated hell holes. Same in the MidEast.

There are just as many majority Christian nations that are HAVENS for homosexuals. Not so many "majority muslim nations".... Try it --- make a list of the best countries for Gays to live in.. And find out if they are "majority Christian" and more IMPORTANTLY democratic and well-educated.

I concede Thailand to you.. Probably not majority Christian, but a great Tranny vacation spot. Don't ask how I know..

That's why you CONTROL any statistical experiment for ALL the valuables. Not launch off on just ONE..

 

[Coyote]

The irony of this thread is that I serously doubt the OP or many of those expressing horror at this give a damn about transexuals or homosexual rights if it wasn't for the Muslim aspect

Exactly right. They'd be more than happy to stone the faggots, if they could get away with it.

The point you and Coyote are missing here is that Christian religion considers it morally wrong and a sin. Whilst most Sharia inspired govt consider it a CRIME.. That's a big difference.

And ACTING on that belief that it is a crime and STONING someone is a far cry from carrying a protest sign or demanding that your kid's school back down from allowing trannies to CHOOSE a bathroom..

It's a crime in majority Christian nations in Africa - it's considered a CRIME. If it weren't for international financial pressure (not church pressure) - Uganda would have imposed the death penalty. The only reason it's a crime is RELIGION.

Let's talk about acting on that belief:

South America (pretty much 100% Christian)
Marking Transgender Day of Remembrance Around the Globe | Human Rights Campaign
Several transgender women have been killed in Argentina in the past few months, including transgender activist Diana Sacayán. It’s been reported that transgender people have been murdered in El Salvador and most recently, a transgender man in Japan was brutally murdered.
Transgender Europe’s Trans Murder Monitoring (TMM) project reported that at least 1,700 transgender and gender-expansive people were killed in the last seven years. Brazil and Mexico have the highest number of reported murders of transgender and gender-expansive people.

770 LGBT killings and major assaults in the Americas
Through its Registry of Violence (only available in Spanish), IACHR found that at least 594 LGBTI persons were murdered and 176 more were victims of serious injury in 25 OAS of the Member States during this period. Almost half of the 594 murders were trans women.

In at least 75 countries homosexuality is illegal - we *know* it is in most Muslim majority countries, and the penalties are often harsher. 10 (out of 50) Muslim majority nations have the death penalty (though how often it's actually enforced is unknown). Yet the Christian religion can hardly be absolved of blame and that is what happens over and over. What comes to mind is the saying about getting your own house in order first.

Here is a list of all countries with anti-homosexual laws: http://76crimes.com/76-countries-where-homosexuality-is-illegal/ - 34 of which are in Africa, both Islamic and Christian majority states.

Perhaps what's most telling about the role of religion, is the role of certain American churches in promoting anti-homosexual legislation criminalizing sodomy in African countries.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/world/africa/04uganda.html

One month after the conference, a previously unknown Ugandan politician, who boasts of having evangelical friends in the American government, introduced the Anti-Homosexuality Bill of 2009, which threatens to hang homosexuals, and, as a result, has put Uganda on a collision course with Western nations.

Donor countries, including the United States, are demanding that Uganda’s government drop the proposed law, saying it violates human rights, though Uganda’s minister of ethics and integrity (who previously tried to ban miniskirts) recently said, “Homosexuals can forget about human rights.”
The Ugandan government, facing the prospect of losing millions in foreign aid, is now indicating that it will back down, slightly, and change the death penalty provision to life in prison for some homosexuals. But the battle is far from over.

Instead, Uganda seems to have become a far-flung front line in the American culture wars, with American groups on both sides, the Christian right and gay activists, pouring in support and money as they get involved in the broader debate over homosexuality in Africa.
​

And, it's not just Uganda US Religious Right Presses Anti-gay Laws in Africa

Religion is domesticated in the West, but it finds fertile ground in developing countries like Africa where the line between religion and state is week or, in the case of some Muslim-majority nations, non-existent.

But the other interesting thing is this: the OP event itself. People pick up stones and throw it at a trans person. It becomes a "stoning" - an entire new meaning even though the act of throwing rocks at other people for no other reason than that they are different is not uncommon. In the end - why is throwing rocks at a trans person somehow worse than stomping them with jackboots?

Just because they are majority christian or muslim states doesn't mean that is the CAUSE of the persecution. ANY state is gonna have a "majority religion". And it does not necessarily correlate with the reasons why there are persecutions and murders. In Africa -- MOST places are tyrant dominated hell holes. Same in the MidEast.

Granted - however, in many third world countries religious faith is strong and often very conservative in practice (towards women, towards gays). Religion also plays a role in government. I used Uganda as an example because it illustrates how certain American Churches influenced some very specific anti-gay legislation - legislation that is clearly influenced by religious beliefs.

There are just as many majority Christian nations that are HAVENS for homosexuals. Not so many "majority muslim nations".... Try it --- make a list of the best countries for Gays to live in.. And find out if they are "majority Christian" and more IMPORTANTLY democratic and well-educated.

True - but WHERE are those countries? They are countries which self-identify as Christian majority but in culture are largely secular (and, as you say democratic and educated with a clear division of religion and state).

Here is an interesting poll - what are the world's most and least religious countries?

The most religious regions are Africa and MENA (Middle East/North Africa) with 86% and 82% identify themselves as religious (Christian and Muslim) and Thailand (94% - Buddhist). Russia is 70% and recently inacted new restrictive laws on homosexuality. UK is only 30%, US 56%.

As far as least religious regions - Western Europe, Oceana and China. Sweden was the least religious country, with 78% saying they were either not religious or athiest and, surprisingly Israel wiht 65% saying they were not religious.

So...what are the best countries for gays?

Spain, Netherlands, Canada, Belgium, Norway, Luxemberg, Ureguay, Sweden, Ireland, UK, Denmark.

With the exception of Ureguay - those countries are also among the least religious.

I concede Thailand to you.. Probably not majority Christian, but a great Tranny vacation spot. Don't ask how I know..

That's why you CONTROL any statistical experiment for ALL the valuables. Not launch off on just ONE..

Thailand is ....different!

 

[flacaltenn]

The irony of this thread is that I serously doubt the OP or many of those expressing horror at this give a damn about transexuals or homosexual rights if it wasn't for the Muslim aspect

Exactly right. They'd be more than happy to stone the faggots, if they could get away with it.

The point you and Coyote are missing here is that Christian religion considers it morally wrong and a sin. Whilst most Sharia inspired govt consider it a CRIME.. That's a big difference.

And ACTING on that belief that it is a crime and STONING someone is a far cry from carrying a protest sign or demanding that your kid's school back down from allowing trannies to CHOOSE a bathroom..

It's a crime in majority Christian nations in Africa - it's considered a CRIME. If it weren't for international financial pressure (not church pressure) - Uganda would have imposed the death penalty. The only reason it's a crime is RELIGION.

Let's talk about acting on that belief:

South America (pretty much 100% Christian)
Marking Transgender Day of Remembrance Around the Globe | Human Rights Campaign
Several transgender women have been killed in Argentina in the past few months, including transgender activist Diana Sacayán. It’s been reported that transgender people have been murdered in El Salvador and most recently, a transgender man in Japan was brutally murdered.
Transgender Europe’s Trans Murder Monitoring (TMM) project reported that at least 1,700 transgender and gender-expansive people were killed in the last seven years. Brazil and Mexico have the highest number of reported murders of transgender and gender-expansive people.

770 LGBT killings and major assaults in the Americas
Through its Registry of Violence (only available in Spanish), IACHR found that at least 594 LGBTI persons were murdered and 176 more were victims of serious injury in 25 OAS of the Member States during this period. Almost half of the 594 murders were trans women.

In at least 75 countries homosexuality is illegal - we *know* it is in most Muslim majority countries, and the penalties are often harsher. 10 (out of 50) Muslim majority nations have the death penalty (though how often it's actually enforced is unknown). Yet the Christian religion can hardly be absolved of blame and that is what happens over and over. What comes to mind is the saying about getting your own house in order first.

Here is a list of all countries with anti-homosexual laws: http://76crimes.com/76-countries-where-homosexuality-is-illegal/ - 34 of which are in Africa, both Islamic and Christian majority states.

Perhaps what's most telling about the role of religion, is the role of certain American churches in promoting anti-homosexual legislation criminalizing sodomy in African countries.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/world/africa/04uganda.html

One month after the conference, a previously unknown Ugandan politician, who boasts of having evangelical friends in the American government, introduced the Anti-Homosexuality Bill of 2009, which threatens to hang homosexuals, and, as a result, has put Uganda on a collision course with Western nations.

Donor countries, including the United States, are demanding that Uganda’s government drop the proposed law, saying it violates human rights, though Uganda’s minister of ethics and integrity (who previously tried to ban miniskirts) recently said, “Homosexuals can forget about human rights.”
The Ugandan government, facing the prospect of losing millions in foreign aid, is now indicating that it will back down, slightly, and change the death penalty provision to life in prison for some homosexuals. But the battle is far from over.

Instead, Uganda seems to have become a far-flung front line in the American culture wars, with American groups on both sides, the Christian right and gay activists, pouring in support and money as they get involved in the broader debate over homosexuality in Africa.
​

And, it's not just Uganda US Religious Right Presses Anti-gay Laws in Africa

Religion is domesticated in the West, but it finds fertile ground in developing countries like Africa where the line between religion and state is week or, in the case of some Muslim-majority nations, non-existent.

But the other interesting thing is this: the OP event itself. People pick up stones and throw it at a trans person. It becomes a "stoning" - an entire new meaning even though the act of throwing rocks at other people for no other reason than that they are different is not uncommon. In the end - why is throwing rocks at a trans person somehow worse than stomping them with jackboots?

Just because they are majority christian or muslim states doesn't mean that is the CAUSE of the persecution. ANY state is gonna have a "majority religion". And it does not necessarily correlate with the reasons why there are persecutions and murders. In Africa -- MOST places are tyrant dominated hell holes. Same in the MidEast.

Granted - however, in many third world countries religious faith is strong and often very conservative in practice (towards women, towards gays). Religion also plays a role in government. I used Uganda as an example because it illustrates how certain American Churches influenced some very specific anti-gay legislation - legislation that is clearly influenced by religious beliefs.

There are just as many majority Christian nations that are HAVENS for homosexuals. Not so many "majority muslim nations".... Try it --- make a list of the best countries for Gays to live in.. And find out if they are "majority Christian" and more IMPORTANTLY democratic and well-educated.

True - but WHERE are those countries? They are countries which self-identify as Christian majority but in culture are largely secular (and, as you say democratic and educated with a clear division of religion and state).

Here is an interesting poll - what are the world's most and least religious countries?

The most religious regions are Africa and MENA (Middle East/North Africa) with 86% and 82% identify themselves as religious (Christian and Muslim) and Thailand (94% - Buddhist). Russia is 70% and recently inacted new restrictive laws on homosexuality. UK is only 30%, US 56%.

As far as least religious regions - Western Europe, Oceana and China. Sweden was the least religious country, with 78% saying they were either not religious or athiest and, surprisingly Israel wiht 65% saying they were not religious.

So...what are the best countries for gays?

Spain, Netherlands, Canada, Belgium, Norway, Luxemberg, Ureguay, Sweden, Ireland, UK, Denmark.

With the exception of Ureguay - those countries are also among the least religious.

I concede Thailand to you.. Probably not majority Christian, but a great Tranny vacation spot. Don't ask how I know..

That's why you CONTROL any statistical experiment for ALL the valuables. Not launch off on just ONE..

Thailand is ....different!

Sorry but your map of "least religious" is a bit screwed up and doesn't really support your theory anyway.

For instance Spain is VERY religious.. Religion in Spain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Catholic Christianity is by far the largest religion in Spain. According to a study by the Spanish Centre for Sociological Research in 2015 about 68% of Spaniards self-identify as Catholic Christians, 3.8% as followers of other faiths (including Islam, Protestant Christianity and Buddhism etc.), and about 25% identify as atheists or non-believers.[1]Most Spaniards do not participate regularly in religious worship. This same study shows that of the Spaniards who identify themselves as religious, 61% barely ever goes to mass, 14% go to mass few times a year, 10% few times per month and 14% every Sunday or multiple times per week. Although a majority of Spaniards are Catholics, most, especially those of the young generation, ignore the Church's conservative moral doctrines on issues such as pre-marital sex, sexual orientation or contraception.

So THERE -- the missing metric is the TOLERANCE folks have. It's the difference between how they accept religious views and how they VOTE -- for the most part. You can be HIGHLY religious and believe that homosexuality is wrong,, but be extremely tolerant and socially liberal. And vote for SECULAR governance. Or you can be Catholic and not like the authoritarian edicts of the Church.

Brazil is another case on your map.. Perhaps the most sexually liberated nation in the Americas -- but scores low on your "atheist" map...

And the map has too much "grey area" in Africa to support your theory that missionary are screwing up opportunities for homosexual bliss there. In MOST of those hell holes, they probably ATE gays before the missionaries showed up..

This has more to do with the tolerance factor and education and views of the SCOPE and ROLE of govt, than simply how folks religiously identify..

 

[Coyote]

Exactly right. They'd be more than happy to stone the faggots, if they could get away with it.

The point you and Coyote are missing here is that Christian religion considers it morally wrong and a sin. Whilst most Sharia inspired govt consider it a CRIME.. That's a big difference.

And ACTING on that belief that it is a crime and STONING someone is a far cry from carrying a protest sign or demanding that your kid's school back down from allowing trannies to CHOOSE a bathroom..

It's a crime in majority Christian nations in Africa - it's considered a CRIME. If it weren't for international financial pressure (not church pressure) - Uganda would have imposed the death penalty. The only reason it's a crime is RELIGION.

Let's talk about acting on that belief:

South America (pretty much 100% Christian)
Marking Transgender Day of Remembrance Around the Globe | Human Rights Campaign
Several transgender women have been killed in Argentina in the past few months, including transgender activist Diana Sacayán. It’s been reported that transgender people have been murdered in El Salvador and most recently, a transgender man in Japan was brutally murdered.
Transgender Europe’s Trans Murder Monitoring (TMM) project reported that at least 1,700 transgender and gender-expansive people were killed in the last seven years. Brazil and Mexico have the highest number of reported murders of transgender and gender-expansive people.

770 LGBT killings and major assaults in the Americas
Through its Registry of Violence (only available in Spanish), IACHR found that at least 594 LGBTI persons were murdered and 176 more were victims of serious injury in 25 OAS of the Member States during this period. Almost half of the 594 murders were trans women.

In at least 75 countries homosexuality is illegal - we *know* it is in most Muslim majority countries, and the penalties are often harsher. 10 (out of 50) Muslim majority nations have the death penalty (though how often it's actually enforced is unknown). Yet the Christian religion can hardly be absolved of blame and that is what happens over and over. What comes to mind is the saying about getting your own house in order first.

Here is a list of all countries with anti-homosexual laws: http://76crimes.com/76-countries-where-homosexuality-is-illegal/ - 34 of which are in Africa, both Islamic and Christian majority states.

Perhaps what's most telling about the role of religion, is the role of certain American churches in promoting anti-homosexual legislation criminalizing sodomy in African countries.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/world/africa/04uganda.html

One month after the conference, a previously unknown Ugandan politician, who boasts of having evangelical friends in the American government, introduced the Anti-Homosexuality Bill of 2009, which threatens to hang homosexuals, and, as a result, has put Uganda on a collision course with Western nations.

Donor countries, including the United States, are demanding that Uganda’s government drop the proposed law, saying it violates human rights, though Uganda’s minister of ethics and integrity (who previously tried to ban miniskirts) recently said, “Homosexuals can forget about human rights.”
The Ugandan government, facing the prospect of losing millions in foreign aid, is now indicating that it will back down, slightly, and change the death penalty provision to life in prison for some homosexuals. But the battle is far from over.

Instead, Uganda seems to have become a far-flung front line in the American culture wars, with American groups on both sides, the Christian right and gay activists, pouring in support and money as they get involved in the broader debate over homosexuality in Africa.
​

And, it's not just Uganda US Religious Right Presses Anti-gay Laws in Africa

Religion is domesticated in the West, but it finds fertile ground in developing countries like Africa where the line between religion and state is week or, in the case of some Muslim-majority nations, non-existent.

But the other interesting thing is this: the OP event itself. People pick up stones and throw it at a trans person. It becomes a "stoning" - an entire new meaning even though the act of throwing rocks at other people for no other reason than that they are different is not uncommon. In the end - why is throwing rocks at a trans person somehow worse than stomping them with jackboots?

Just because they are majority christian or muslim states doesn't mean that is the CAUSE of the persecution. ANY state is gonna have a "majority religion". And it does not necessarily correlate with the reasons why there are persecutions and murders. In Africa -- MOST places are tyrant dominated hell holes. Same in the MidEast.

Granted - however, in many third world countries religious faith is strong and often very conservative in practice (towards women, towards gays). Religion also plays a role in government. I used Uganda as an example because it illustrates how certain American Churches influenced some very specific anti-gay legislation - legislation that is clearly influenced by religious beliefs.

There are just as many majority Christian nations that are HAVENS for homosexuals. Not so many "majority muslim nations".... Try it --- make a list of the best countries for Gays to live in.. And find out if they are "majority Christian" and more IMPORTANTLY democratic and well-educated.

True - but WHERE are those countries? They are countries which self-identify as Christian majority but in culture are largely secular (and, as you say democratic and educated with a clear division of religion and state).

Here is an interesting poll - what are the world's most and least religious countries?

The most religious regions are Africa and MENA (Middle East/North Africa) with 86% and 82% identify themselves as religious (Christian and Muslim) and Thailand (94% - Buddhist). Russia is 70% and recently inacted new restrictive laws on homosexuality. UK is only 30%, US 56%.

As far as least religious regions - Western Europe, Oceana and China. Sweden was the least religious country, with 78% saying they were either not religious or athiest and, surprisingly Israel wiht 65% saying they were not religious.

So...what are the best countries for gays?

Spain, Netherlands, Canada, Belgium, Norway, Luxemberg, Ureguay, Sweden, Ireland, UK, Denmark.

With the exception of Ureguay - those countries are also among the least religious.

I concede Thailand to you.. Probably not majority Christian, but a great Tranny vacation spot. Don't ask how I know..

That's why you CONTROL any statistical experiment for ALL the valuables. Not launch off on just ONE..

Thailand is ....different!

Sorry but your map of "least religious" is a bit screwed up and doesn't really support your theory anyway.

For instance Spain is VERY religious.. Religion in Spain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Catholic Christianity is by far the largest religion in Spain. According to a study by the Spanish Centre for Sociological Research in 2015 about 68% of Spaniards self-identify as Catholic Christians, 3.8% as followers of other faiths (including Islam, Protestant Christianity and Buddhism etc.), and about 25% identify as atheists or non-believers.[1]Most Spaniards do not participate regularly in religious worship. This same study shows that of the Spaniards who identify themselves as religious, 61% barely ever goes to mass, 14% go to mass few times a year, 10% few times per month and 14% every Sunday or multiple times per week. Although a majority of Spaniards are Catholics, most, especially those of the young generation, ignore the Church's conservative moral doctrines on issues such as pre-marital sex, sexual orientation or contraception.

Is Spain "very religious"? Look at what your source says:

Most Spaniards do not participate regularly in religious worship. This same study shows that of the Spaniards who identify themselves as religious, 61% barely ever goes to mass, 14% go to mass few times a year, 10% few times per month and 14% every Sunday or multiple times per week. Although a majority of Spaniards are Catholics, most, especially those of the young generation, ignore the Church's conservative moral doctrines on issues such as pre-marital sex, sexual orientation or contraception.[2][3][4][5] The total number of parish priests has shrunk from 24,300 in 1975 to 19,307 in 2005. The number of nuns also dropped by 6.9% to 54,160 between 2000 and 2005.[6]​

Identifying oneself as a member of a faith is not a guaranter of religiosity. Many people are nominal Christians (or Jews for that matter) - culturally Christian or Jewish, but non-observant. THERE is your tolerance.

So THERE -- the missing metric is the TOLERANCE folks have. It's the difference between how they accept religious views and how they VOTE -- for the most part. You can be HIGHLY religious and believe that homosexuality is wrong,, but be extremely tolerant and socially liberal. And vote for SECULAR governance. Or you can be Catholic and not like the authoritarian edicts of the Church.

Or...you can be nominally religious and not very devout and that seems to be the key in tolerance because none of the Abrahamic faiths like gays.

Brazil is another case on your map.. Perhaps the most sexually liberated nation in the Americas -- but scores low on your "atheist" map...

And the map has too much "grey area" in Africa to support your theory that missionary are screwing up opportunities for homosexual bliss there. In MOST of those hell holes, they probably ATE gays before the missionaries showed up..

This has more to do with the tolerance factor and education and views of the SCOPE and ROLE of govt, than simply how folks religiously identify..

I disagree. Brazil is an anomoly, but Africa is both very devout (Christian and Muslim) and very antagonistic towards gays and it is well documented that certain American churches have been working at influencing anti-gay legislation in those countries. Religion isn't the only factor, culture and education play a role in expanding liberal values and tolerance but you can't discount the role of religion.

According to this article, religiosity world wide is sliding but Africa remains the most devout: http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/08/08/231160.html. It's difficult to discount the role religion plays in attitudes towards homosexuality.

 

[flacaltenn]

The point you and Coyote are missing here is that Christian religion considers it morally wrong and a sin. Whilst most Sharia inspired govt consider it a CRIME.. That's a big difference.

And ACTING on that belief that it is a crime and STONING someone is a far cry from carrying a protest sign or demanding that your kid's school back down from allowing trannies to CHOOSE a bathroom..

It's a crime in majority Christian nations in Africa - it's considered a CRIME. If it weren't for international financial pressure (not church pressure) - Uganda would have imposed the death penalty. The only reason it's a crime is RELIGION.

Let's talk about acting on that belief:

South America (pretty much 100% Christian)
Marking Transgender Day of Remembrance Around the Globe | Human Rights Campaign
Several transgender women have been killed in Argentina in the past few months, including transgender activist Diana Sacayán. It’s been reported that transgender people have been murdered in El Salvador and most recently, a transgender man in Japan was brutally murdered.
Transgender Europe’s Trans Murder Monitoring (TMM) project reported that at least 1,700 transgender and gender-expansive people were killed in the last seven years. Brazil and Mexico have the highest number of reported murders of transgender and gender-expansive people.

770 LGBT killings and major assaults in the Americas
Through its Registry of Violence (only available in Spanish), IACHR found that at least 594 LGBTI persons were murdered and 176 more were victims of serious injury in 25 OAS of the Member States during this period. Almost half of the 594 murders were trans women.

In at least 75 countries homosexuality is illegal - we *know* it is in most Muslim majority countries, and the penalties are often harsher. 10 (out of 50) Muslim majority nations have the death penalty (though how often it's actually enforced is unknown). Yet the Christian religion can hardly be absolved of blame and that is what happens over and over. What comes to mind is the saying about getting your own house in order first.

Here is a list of all countries with anti-homosexual laws: http://76crimes.com/76-countries-where-homosexuality-is-illegal/ - 34 of which are in Africa, both Islamic and Christian majority states.

Perhaps what's most telling about the role of religion, is the role of certain American churches in promoting anti-homosexual legislation criminalizing sodomy in African countries.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/world/africa/04uganda.html

One month after the conference, a previously unknown Ugandan politician, who boasts of having evangelical friends in the American government, introduced the Anti-Homosexuality Bill of 2009, which threatens to hang homosexuals, and, as a result, has put Uganda on a collision course with Western nations.

Donor countries, including the United States, are demanding that Uganda’s government drop the proposed law, saying it violates human rights, though Uganda’s minister of ethics and integrity (who previously tried to ban miniskirts) recently said, “Homosexuals can forget about human rights.”
The Ugandan government, facing the prospect of losing millions in foreign aid, is now indicating that it will back down, slightly, and change the death penalty provision to life in prison for some homosexuals. But the battle is far from over.

Instead, Uganda seems to have become a far-flung front line in the American culture wars, with American groups on both sides, the Christian right and gay activists, pouring in support and money as they get involved in the broader debate over homosexuality in Africa.
​

And, it's not just Uganda US Religious Right Presses Anti-gay Laws in Africa

Religion is domesticated in the West, but it finds fertile ground in developing countries like Africa where the line between religion and state is week or, in the case of some Muslim-majority nations, non-existent.

But the other interesting thing is this: the OP event itself. People pick up stones and throw it at a trans person. It becomes a "stoning" - an entire new meaning even though the act of throwing rocks at other people for no other reason than that they are different is not uncommon. In the end - why is throwing rocks at a trans person somehow worse than stomping them with jackboots?

Just because they are majority christian or muslim states doesn't mean that is the CAUSE of the persecution. ANY state is gonna have a "majority religion". And it does not necessarily correlate with the reasons why there are persecutions and murders. In Africa -- MOST places are tyrant dominated hell holes. Same in the MidEast.

Granted - however, in many third world countries religious faith is strong and often very conservative in practice (towards women, towards gays). Religion also plays a role in government. I used Uganda as an example because it illustrates how certain American Churches influenced some very specific anti-gay legislation - legislation that is clearly influenced by religious beliefs.

There are just as many majority Christian nations that are HAVENS for homosexuals. Not so many "majority muslim nations".... Try it --- make a list of the best countries for Gays to live in.. And find out if they are "majority Christian" and more IMPORTANTLY democratic and well-educated.

True - but WHERE are those countries? They are countries which self-identify as Christian majority but in culture are largely secular (and, as you say democratic and educated with a clear division of religion and state).

Here is an interesting poll - what are the world's most and least religious countries?

The most religious regions are Africa and MENA (Middle East/North Africa) with 86% and 82% identify themselves as religious (Christian and Muslim) and Thailand (94% - Buddhist). Russia is 70% and recently inacted new restrictive laws on homosexuality. UK is only 30%, US 56%.

As far as least religious regions - Western Europe, Oceana and China. Sweden was the least religious country, with 78% saying they were either not religious or athiest and, surprisingly Israel wiht 65% saying they were not religious.

So...what are the best countries for gays?

Spain, Netherlands, Canada, Belgium, Norway, Luxemberg, Ureguay, Sweden, Ireland, UK, Denmark.

With the exception of Ureguay - those countries are also among the least religious.

I concede Thailand to you.. Probably not majority Christian, but a great Tranny vacation spot. Don't ask how I know..

That's why you CONTROL any statistical experiment for ALL the valuables. Not launch off on just ONE..

Thailand is ....different!

Sorry but your map of "least religious" is a bit screwed up and doesn't really support your theory anyway.

For instance Spain is VERY religious.. Religion in Spain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Catholic Christianity is by far the largest religion in Spain. According to a study by the Spanish Centre for Sociological Research in 2015 about 68% of Spaniards self-identify as Catholic Christians, 3.8% as followers of other faiths (including Islam, Protestant Christianity and Buddhism etc.), and about 25% identify as atheists or non-believers.[1]Most Spaniards do not participate regularly in religious worship. This same study shows that of the Spaniards who identify themselves as religious, 61% barely ever goes to mass, 14% go to mass few times a year, 10% few times per month and 14% every Sunday or multiple times per week. Although a majority of Spaniards are Catholics, most, especially those of the young generation, ignore the Church's conservative moral doctrines on issues such as pre-marital sex, sexual orientation or contraception.

Is Spain "very religious"? Look at what your source says:

Most Spaniards do not participate regularly in religious worship. This same study shows that of the Spaniards who identify themselves as religious, 61% barely ever goes to mass, 14% go to mass few times a year, 10% few times per month and 14% every Sunday or multiple times per week. Although a majority of Spaniards are Catholics, most, especially those of the young generation, ignore the Church's conservative moral doctrines on issues such as pre-marital sex, sexual orientation or contraception.[2][3][4][5] The total number of parish priests has shrunk from 24,300 in 1975 to 19,307 in 2005. The number of nuns also dropped by 6.9% to 54,160 between 2000 and 2005.[6]​

Identifying oneself as a member of a faith is not a guaranter of religiosity. Many people are nominal Christians (or Jews for that matter) - culturally Christian or Jewish, but non-observant. THERE is your tolerance.

So THERE -- the missing metric is the TOLERANCE folks have. It's the difference between how they accept religious views and how they VOTE -- for the most part. You can be HIGHLY religious and believe that homosexuality is wrong,, but be extremely tolerant and socially liberal. And vote for SECULAR governance. Or you can be Catholic and not like the authoritarian edicts of the Church.

Or...you can be nominally religious and not very devout and that seems to be the key in tolerance because none of the Abrahamic faiths like gays.

Brazil is another case on your map.. Perhaps the most sexually liberated nation in the Americas -- but scores low on your "atheist" map...

And the map has too much "grey area" in Africa to support your theory that missionary are screwing up opportunities for homosexual bliss there. In MOST of those hell holes, they probably ATE gays before the missionaries showed up..

This has more to do with the tolerance factor and education and views of the SCOPE and ROLE of govt, than simply how folks religiously identify..

I disagree. Brazil is an anomoly, but Africa is both very devout (Christian and Muslim) and very antagonistic towards gays and it is well documented that certain American churches have been working at influencing anti-gay legislation in those countries. Religion isn't the only factor, culture and education play a role in expanding liberal values and tolerance but you can't discount the role of religion.

According to this article, religiosity world wide is sliding but Africa remains the most devout: http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/08/08/231160.html. It's difficult to discount the role religion plays in attitudes towards homosexuality.

I'm living in the Buckle of the Bible Belt and not many at all hate gays. They hate their politics. And their activists. And the imposition of silly rules in their schools.. But there's a whole lot of tolerance here.. They just don't want to call it marraige. Call it something else and you'd have no issues. Except for the activists.

As far as Africa goes -- I don't see churches being much more than the best entertainment and safety net in a place that doesn't have water or power. Don't know HOW you would measure religiousity there. There's no other show in town.. And it doesn't stop the raping, slaving, and killing that goes on there.. There's really no evidence that "morals" are tighter in those places.

And Brazil is not the anomaly. Many Central and South Amer. countries are very religious and VERY socially liberal about sex.

Now -- I know it's a quite a different story in Muslim dominated countries.. But again -- I think that is because there's less tolerance because religion is never divorced from every day life or politics. That's where they get these concepts that you are free to stone the sinners. Regardless of what country you might find yourself..

I know when I'm in a Muslim country I show respect to their culture and traditions. Seems like there's an "adjustment" required for all these refugees who have never really been introduced to the concept of keeping your religious view a private matter. Maybe we need a training film or something.. Like do not taunt the women at the pool or do not stone gays or do not form gangs and molest women on the streets on NY Eve.

Not making fun. It's a HUGE culture shock for refugees. But it's NOT a shock to all those Saudi/Kuwaiti sheiks that own mansions in NYC and Beverly Hills.. They are here because they CAN take risks with their "souls" and indulge in other cultures without losing their religious identities. And they LOVE themselves some social/sexual freedoms a couple months a year.

 

[Coyote]

It's a crime in majority Christian nations in Africa - it's considered a CRIME. If it weren't for international financial pressure (not church pressure) - Uganda would have imposed the death penalty. The only reason it's a crime is RELIGION.

Let's talk about acting on that belief:

South America (pretty much 100% Christian)
Marking Transgender Day of Remembrance Around the Globe | Human Rights Campaign
Several transgender women have been killed in Argentina in the past few months, including transgender activist Diana Sacayán. It’s been reported that transgender people have been murdered in El Salvador and most recently, a transgender man in Japan was brutally murdered.
Transgender Europe’s Trans Murder Monitoring (TMM) project reported that at least 1,700 transgender and gender-expansive people were killed in the last seven years. Brazil and Mexico have the highest number of reported murders of transgender and gender-expansive people.

770 LGBT killings and major assaults in the Americas
Through its Registry of Violence (only available in Spanish), IACHR found that at least 594 LGBTI persons were murdered and 176 more were victims of serious injury in 25 OAS of the Member States during this period. Almost half of the 594 murders were trans women.

In at least 75 countries homosexuality is illegal - we *know* it is in most Muslim majority countries, and the penalties are often harsher. 10 (out of 50) Muslim majority nations have the death penalty (though how often it's actually enforced is unknown). Yet the Christian religion can hardly be absolved of blame and that is what happens over and over. What comes to mind is the saying about getting your own house in order first.

Here is a list of all countries with anti-homosexual laws: http://76crimes.com/76-countries-where-homosexuality-is-illegal/ - 34 of which are in Africa, both Islamic and Christian majority states.

Perhaps what's most telling about the role of religion, is the role of certain American churches in promoting anti-homosexual legislation criminalizing sodomy in African countries.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/world/africa/04uganda.html

One month after the conference, a previously unknown Ugandan politician, who boasts of having evangelical friends in the American government, introduced the Anti-Homosexuality Bill of 2009, which threatens to hang homosexuals, and, as a result, has put Uganda on a collision course with Western nations.

Donor countries, including the United States, are demanding that Uganda’s government drop the proposed law, saying it violates human rights, though Uganda’s minister of ethics and integrity (who previously tried to ban miniskirts) recently said, “Homosexuals can forget about human rights.”
The Ugandan government, facing the prospect of losing millions in foreign aid, is now indicating that it will back down, slightly, and change the death penalty provision to life in prison for some homosexuals. But the battle is far from over.

Instead, Uganda seems to have become a far-flung front line in the American culture wars, with American groups on both sides, the Christian right and gay activists, pouring in support and money as they get involved in the broader debate over homosexuality in Africa.
​

And, it's not just Uganda US Religious Right Presses Anti-gay Laws in Africa

Religion is domesticated in the West, but it finds fertile ground in developing countries like Africa where the line between religion and state is week or, in the case of some Muslim-majority nations, non-existent.

But the other interesting thing is this: the OP event itself. People pick up stones and throw it at a trans person. It becomes a "stoning" - an entire new meaning even though the act of throwing rocks at other people for no other reason than that they are different is not uncommon. In the end - why is throwing rocks at a trans person somehow worse than stomping them with jackboots?

Just because they are majority christian or muslim states doesn't mean that is the CAUSE of the persecution. ANY state is gonna have a "majority religion". And it does not necessarily correlate with the reasons why there are persecutions and murders. In Africa -- MOST places are tyrant dominated hell holes. Same in the MidEast.

Granted - however, in many third world countries religious faith is strong and often very conservative in practice (towards women, towards gays). Religion also plays a role in government. I used Uganda as an example because it illustrates how certain American Churches influenced some very specific anti-gay legislation - legislation that is clearly influenced by religious beliefs.

There are just as many majority Christian nations that are HAVENS for homosexuals. Not so many "majority muslim nations".... Try it --- make a list of the best countries for Gays to live in.. And find out if they are "majority Christian" and more IMPORTANTLY democratic and well-educated.

True - but WHERE are those countries? They are countries which self-identify as Christian majority but in culture are largely secular (and, as you say democratic and educated with a clear division of religion and state).

Here is an interesting poll - what are the world's most and least religious countries?

The most religious regions are Africa and MENA (Middle East/North Africa) with 86% and 82% identify themselves as religious (Christian and Muslim) and Thailand (94% - Buddhist). Russia is 70% and recently inacted new restrictive laws on homosexuality. UK is only 30%, US 56%.

As far as least religious regions - Western Europe, Oceana and China. Sweden was the least religious country, with 78% saying they were either not religious or athiest and, surprisingly Israel wiht 65% saying they were not religious.

So...what are the best countries for gays?

Spain, Netherlands, Canada, Belgium, Norway, Luxemberg, Ureguay, Sweden, Ireland, UK, Denmark.

With the exception of Ureguay - those countries are also among the least religious.

I concede Thailand to you.. Probably not majority Christian, but a great Tranny vacation spot. Don't ask how I know..

That's why you CONTROL any statistical experiment for ALL the valuables. Not launch off on just ONE..

Thailand is ....different!

Sorry but your map of "least religious" is a bit screwed up and doesn't really support your theory anyway.

For instance Spain is VERY religious.. Religion in Spain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Catholic Christianity is by far the largest religion in Spain. According to a study by the Spanish Centre for Sociological Research in 2015 about 68% of Spaniards self-identify as Catholic Christians, 3.8% as followers of other faiths (including Islam, Protestant Christianity and Buddhism etc.), and about 25% identify as atheists or non-believers.[1]Most Spaniards do not participate regularly in religious worship. This same study shows that of the Spaniards who identify themselves as religious, 61% barely ever goes to mass, 14% go to mass few times a year, 10% few times per month and 14% every Sunday or multiple times per week. Although a majority of Spaniards are Catholics, most, especially those of the young generation, ignore the Church's conservative moral doctrines on issues such as pre-marital sex, sexual orientation or contraception.

Is Spain "very religious"? Look at what your source says:

Most Spaniards do not participate regularly in religious worship. This same study shows that of the Spaniards who identify themselves as religious, 61% barely ever goes to mass, 14% go to mass few times a year, 10% few times per month and 14% every Sunday or multiple times per week. Although a majority of Spaniards are Catholics, most, especially those of the young generation, ignore the Church's conservative moral doctrines on issues such as pre-marital sex, sexual orientation or contraception.[2][3][4][5] The total number of parish priests has shrunk from 24,300 in 1975 to 19,307 in 2005. The number of nuns also dropped by 6.9% to 54,160 between 2000 and 2005.[6]​

Identifying oneself as a member of a faith is not a guaranter of religiosity. Many people are nominal Christians (or Jews for that matter) - culturally Christian or Jewish, but non-observant. THERE is your tolerance.

So THERE -- the missing metric is the TOLERANCE folks have. It's the difference between how they accept religious views and how they VOTE -- for the most part. You can be HIGHLY religious and believe that homosexuality is wrong,, but be extremely tolerant and socially liberal. And vote for SECULAR governance. Or you can be Catholic and not like the authoritarian edicts of the Church.

Or...you can be nominally religious and not very devout and that seems to be the key in tolerance because none of the Abrahamic faiths like gays.

Brazil is another case on your map.. Perhaps the most sexually liberated nation in the Americas -- but scores low on your "atheist" map...

And the map has too much "grey area" in Africa to support your theory that missionary are screwing up opportunities for homosexual bliss there. In MOST of those hell holes, they probably ATE gays before the missionaries showed up..

This has more to do with the tolerance factor and education and views of the SCOPE and ROLE of govt, than simply how folks religiously identify..

I disagree. Brazil is an anomoly, but Africa is both very devout (Christian and Muslim) and very antagonistic towards gays and it is well documented that certain American churches have been working at influencing anti-gay legislation in those countries. Religion isn't the only factor, culture and education play a role in expanding liberal values and tolerance but you can't discount the role of religion.

According to this article, religiosity world wide is sliding but Africa remains the most devout: http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/08/08/231160.html. It's difficult to discount the role religion plays in attitudes towards homosexuality.

I'm living in the Buckle of the Bible Belt and not many at all hate gays. They hate their politics. And their activists. And the imposition of silly rules in their schools.. But there's a whole lot of tolerance here.. They just don't want to call it marraige. Call it something else and you'd have no issues. Except for the activists.

As far as Africa goes -- I don't see churches being much more than the best entertainment and safety net in a place that doesn't have water or power. Don't know HOW you would measure religiousity there. There's no other show in town.. And it doesn't stop the raping, slaving, and killing that goes on there.. There's really no evidence that "morals" are tighter in those places.

And Brazil is not the anomaly. Many Central and South Amer. countries are very religious and VERY socially liberal about sex.

Now -- I know it's a quite a different story in Muslim dominated countries.. But again -- I think that is because there's less tolerance because religion is never divorced from every day life or politics. That's where they get these concepts that you are free to stone the sinners. Regardless of what country you might find yourself..

I know when I'm in a Muslim country I show respect to their culture and traditions. Seems like there's an "adjustment" required for all these refugees who have never really been introduced to the concept of keeping your religious view a private matter. Maybe we need a training film or something.. Like do not taunt the women at the pool or do not stone gays or do not form gangs and molest women on the streets on NY Eve.

Not making fun. It's a HUGE culture shock for refugees. But it's NOT a shock to all those Saudi/Kuwaiti sheiks that own mansions in NYC and Beverly Hills.. They are here because they CAN take risks with their "souls" and indulge in other cultures without losing their religious identities. And they LOVE themselves some social/sexual freedoms a couple months a year.

I agree with much of that but: I think that is because there's less tolerance because religion is never divorced from every day life or politics.

That's what I'm saying. In countries that are strongly religious - like many African countries, there is much more involvement of religion in every day life and politics. Education and prosperity both bring about a greater liberalization of those attitudes.