Stock Market DIVE A Mirage

[Mac1958]

I was with both Lehman and Bear Stearns back in 2007 and lost $165K....somebody got that money...it didn't vanish.

The shorts got it.

They were looking at the numbers while the market was ignoring them.
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[kyzr]

I looked a half hour ago and the drop was around 1.5% of market value. It's not as if large, continuous drops or gains aren't noteworthy if there's a fundamental problem like derivatives. I was with both Lehman and Bear Stearns back in 2007 and lost $165K....somebody got that money...it didn't vanish. Funny thing was I didn't believe a word of what my broker was telling me....either to get in or get out....a new woman had me mesmerized and I literally got caught with my pants down.

Use On Demand to watch the movie "Too Big To Fail".
Its a great movie and explains what happened at the start of the "Great Recession".
In all probability "short sellers" got some of your money. That's why I'm in favor of adding a new "transaction tax" on stock transactions to protect long investors and punish short sellers.

 

[caddo kid]

The Wall Street insiders create these "panic" sessions to fleece the rubes. If there was any wealth created or lost in the stock market it would matter, but that's not the case. A sells B 100 shares of stock and B either plays long or short. A has his money back plus maybe a profit or a loss. B is holding a gamble. Nothing was created...wealth only changes hands in the Big Casino. And besides, this is Trump's economy to play with and like every other day, week, year, smart investors average gains of about 10% over the long haul....it's a sideshow.

That's what I want to see: Trump bring back the $1000 bill with his face on it.

I think a roll of toilet paper with his face printed on each piece would be more entertaining

 

[WillPower]

Use On Demand to watch the movie "Too Big To Fail".
Its a great movie and explains what happened to at the start of the "Great Recession".
In all probability "short sellers" got some of your money. That's why I'm in favor of adding a new "transaction tax" on stock transactions to protect long investors and punish short sellers.

Bottom line is commercial banks became investment banks and tricked AIG into guaranteeing their junk loans. Maxine Waters and Barney Frank kept Bush from looking at the Fanny/Freddie books by calling him a "racist"....the whole caper now seems impossible but it happened alright.

 

[occupied]

Everything Trump touches rots. He is the anti-Midas, destroyer of wealth. If there is any way for him to cause a recession he will find it.

A "recession"....like the 8 years we suffered under Barry the Fairy? Let's see.....5M new jobs, lowest unemployment in over 50 years, Wall being built, new AMCA, NATO now paying their bills...600,000 new manufacturing jobs....some "recession".

Only a total fucking idiot would credit 10 years of recovery on a guy that's only been in office for 2 years. The only thing you suffered under Obama was the thought of a black man in the white house.

 

[bodecea]

Those SHOCKED at this premeditated drop might wonder what the leftist tech tyrants did to facilitate it. Hillary's billionaires often act in concert trying to diminish Trump's rocket ship economy. Somebody take a look at how Tom Steyer's portfolio changed in the past 24 hours.....like I said, nothing to see here folks....it's all for show, not for dough.

I'm sure that those Americans who lost today appreciate the "premeditated" aspect of the drop.

 

[kyzr]

Its a little more complex than that. Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix, and Google, as well as Boeing have been in the news lately. The "trade war" with China has the markets spooked. Everything should get back to normal if Trump and Xi can work out a win-win deal.
The markets are pushing for the Fed to lower rates?!
The stock market is not for the nervous nellies...

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for rates to be lowered when the economy is running along as good as it is claimed to be by Trump.
And besides that, Trump himself is the one that has been whining for months that interest rates are too high.
Anyone with any sense knows that Trump is a con man when he boasts to the entire planet that the economy is, "the best ever" and in the next months worth of Tweets he is saying rates are too high.
UNFUCKING believable; at best ...............

Still difficult to believe such a fucking con artist got into The Oval Office ............ very dangerous ..........

1. Agree rates should not be lowered, the talking heads on TV keep whining for the Fed to lower rates.
2. The Fed should keep unwinding its balance sheet to get dry powder for the next crisis
3. Trump is allowed to brag on the economy, he's managing it better than any prior president, especially taking on China and insisting on fair trade deals all over.
4. Don't think he's a con artist, just a spoiled rich kid who had too much smoke blown up his ass his entire life. Now he thinks he's a financial genius. I'm hoping some of that Wharton classwork sunk in and he keeps the economy growing steadily without a massive bubble/bust ending.

 

[WillPower]

I'm sure that those Americans who lost today appreciate the "premeditated" aspect of the drop.

Can't "lose" if ya don't sell.....there, I've schooled your sorry ass twice in one thread.....

 

[kyzr]

Use On Demand to watch the movie "Too Big To Fail".
Its a great movie and explains what happened to at the start of the "Great Recession".
In all probability "short sellers" got some of your money. That's why I'm in favor of adding a new "transaction tax" on stock transactions to protect long investors and punish short sellers.

Bottom line is commercial banks became investment banks and tricked AIG into guaranteeing their junk loans. Maxine Waters and Barney Frank kept Bush from looking at the Fanny/Freddie books by calling him a "racist"....the whole caper now seems impossible but it happened alright.

Would any democrats keep Trump from looking at any of the books he wanted to see?
Bush/Cheney was dumb/dumber.

 

[Stormy Daniels]

The Wall Street insiders create these "panic" sessions to fleece the rubes.

Why are rubbish conspiracy theories allowed in this section when there's a section dedicated to conspiracy theories.

 

[WillPower]

The Wall Street insiders create these "panic" sessions to fleece the rubes.

Why are rubbish conspiracy theories allowed in this section when there's a section dedicated to conspiracy theories.

Nothing funnier than an old whore doing stand-up....talk about a play on words.

 

[Siete]

Stock Market DIVE A Mirage


Obama's market still making people rich huh.

Thanks Obama

 

[Flopper]

Its a little more complex than that. Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix, and Google, as well as Boeing have been in the news lately. The "trade war" with China has the markets spooked. Everything should get back to normal if Trump and Xi can work out a win-win deal.
The markets are pushing for the Fed to lower rates?!
The stock market is not for the nervous nellies...

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for rates to be lowered when the economy is running along as good as it is claimed to be by Trump.
And besides that, Trump himself is the one that has been whining for months that interest rates are too high.
Anyone with any sense knows that Trump is a con man when he boasts to the entire planet that the economy is, "the best ever" and in the next months worth of Tweets he is saying rates are too high.
UNFUCKING believable; at best ...............

Still difficult to believe such a fucking con artist got into The Oval Office ............ very dangerous ..........

1. Agree rates should not be lowered, the talking heads on TV keep whining for the Fed to lower rates.
2. The Fed should keep unwinding its balance sheet to get dry powder for the next crisis
3. Trump is allowed to brag on the economy, he's managing it better than any prior president, especially taking on China and insisting on fair trade deals all over.
4. Don't think he's a con artist, just a spoiled rich kid who had too much smoke blown up his ass his entire life. Now he thinks he's a financial genius. I'm hoping some of that Wharton classwork sunk in and he keeps the economy growing steadily without a massive bubble/bust ending.

If Trump can avoid it he is not going into the 2020 election cycle with a down market, slipping retail sales, and rising interest rates. He probably will not be able to dictate interest rates but he can certainly end his China trade war. I expect an announcement from Trump of a huge break thru in trade negotiation, whether real or imaginary. The only question is when. Ideally, it should come in the primaries. However, if the market continues to nose dive and retail sales start slipping, it will come a lot sooner because this aging bull market is looking very tired.

 

[Flopper]

I'm sure that those Americans who lost today appreciate the "premeditated" aspect of the drop.

Can't "lose" if ya don't sell.....there, I've schooled your sorry ass twice in one thread.....

I've noticed that people that say that kind of stuff are first to sell on a rally.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Its a little more complex than that. Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix, and Google, as well as Boeing have been in the news lately. The "trade war" with China has the markets spooked. Everything should get back to normal if Trump and Xi can work out a win-win deal.
The markets are pushing for the Fed to lower rates?!
The stock market is not for the nervous nellies...

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for rates to be lowered when the economy is running along as good as it is claimed to be by Trump.
And besides that, Trump himself is the one that has been whining for months that interest rates are too high.
Anyone with any sense knows that Trump is a con man when he boasts to the entire planet that the economy is, "the best ever" and in the next months worth of Tweets he is saying rates are too high.
UNFUCKING believable; at best ...............

Still difficult to believe such a fucking con artist got into The Oval Office ............ very dangerous ..........

1. Agree rates should not be lowered, the talking heads on TV keep whining for the Fed to lower rates.
2. The Fed should keep unwinding its balance sheet to get dry powder for the next crisis
3. Trump is allowed to brag on the economy, he's managing it better than any prior president, especially taking on China and insisting on fair trade deals all over.
4. Don't think he's a con artist, just a spoiled rich kid who had too much smoke blown up his ass his entire life. Now he thinks he's a financial genius. I'm hoping some of that Wharton classwork sunk in and he keeps the economy growing steadily without a massive bubble/bust ending.

If Trump can avoid it he is not going into the 2020 election cycle with a down market, slipping retail sales, and rising interest rates. He probably will not be able to dictate interest rates but he can certainly end his China trade war. I expect an announcement from Trump of a huge break thru in trade negotiation, whether real or imaginary. The only question is when. Ideally, it should come in the primaries. However, if the market continues to nose dive and retail sales start slipping, it will come a lot sooner because this aging bull market is looking very tired.

We have a game of chicken here. On our side, we have the healthy guy with a sward and shield. On the other side, a sickly guy with a fork and a chair.

The US economy is as strong as China's is weak. We have the upper hand here, and can survive much longer than China. This effort may cost Americans, but we will go back to buying our own products instead of theirs, and that's good for the already great economy that we have.

 

[Flopper]

The Wall Street insiders create these "panic" sessions to fleece the rubes. If there was any wealth created or lost in the stock market it would matter, but that's not the case. A sells B 100 shares of stock and B either plays long or short. A has his money back plus maybe a profit or a loss. B is holding a gamble. Nothing was created...wealth only changes hands in the Big Casino. And besides, this is Trump's economy to play with and like every other day, week, year, smart investors average gains of about 10% over the long haul....it's a sideshow.

On a daily basis, trading stocks is gambling, maybe with a slight edge in your favor if you really know what you're doing. The reason for the stock market is to provide liquidity for stockholders. Without liquidity, few stockholders would own stock thus limiting investment capital.

The little guy is LONG GONE from the stock market..now it's mostly institutional investors and inside-traders who will eventually end up in Rikers Island.

We use to know where the little guy was in the market by watching the odd lots, however that doesn't mean much any more with so many small investors in retirement plans, mutual funds, ETFs, company reinvestment plans and other vehicles.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Those SHOCKED at this premeditated drop might wonder what the leftist tech tyrants did to facilitate it. Hillary's billionaires often act in concert trying to diminish Trump's rocket ship economy. Somebody take a look at how Tom Steyer's portfolio changed in the past 24 hours.....like I said, nothing to see here folks....it's all for show, not for dough.

I'm sure that those Americans who lost today appreciate the "premeditated" aspect of the drop.

The people that will appreciate it are those who were waiting to dump their money into the market like the company that handles my IRA. This is a temporary market reaction. People who buy today (or soon) will be able to take advantage of the lower prices and benefit when the market recovers which will be very soon.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

We have a game of chicken here. On our side, we have the healthy guy with a sward and shield. On the other side, a sickly guy with a fork and a chair.

The US economy is as strong as China's is weak. We have the upper hand here, and can survive much longer than China. This effort may cost Americans, but we will go back to buying our own products instead of theirs, and that's good for the already great economy that we have.

If our economy is as strong as you claim, why was Trump begging for lower rates and another round of QE last week?

 

[edward37]

Its a little more complex than that. Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix, and Google, as well as Boeing have been in the news lately. The "trade war" with China has the markets spooked. Everything should get back to normal if Trump and Xi can work out a win-win deal.
The markets are pushing for the Fed to lower rates?!
The stock market is not for the nervous nellies...

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for rates to be lowered when the economy is running along as good as it is claimed to be by Trump.
And besides that, Trump himself is the one that has been whining for months that interest rates are too high.
Anyone with any sense knows that Trump is a con man when he boasts to the entire planet that the economy is, "the best ever" and in the next months worth of Tweets he is saying rates are too high.
UNFUCKING believable; at best ...............

Still difficult to believe such a fucking con artist got into The Oval Office ............ very dangerous ..........

1. Agree rates should not be lowered, the talking heads on TV keep whining for the Fed to lower rates.
2. The Fed should keep unwinding its balance sheet to get dry powder for the next crisis
3. Trump is allowed to brag on the economy, he's managing it better than any prior president, especially taking on China and insisting on fair trade deals all over.
4. Don't think he's a con artist, just a spoiled rich kid who had too much smoke blown up his ass his entire life. Now he thinks he's a financial genius. I'm hoping some of that Wharton classwork sunk in and he keeps the economy growing steadily without a massive bubble/bust ending.

If Trump can avoid it he is not going into the 2020 election cycle with a down market, slipping retail sales, and rising interest rates. He probably will not be able to dictate interest rates but he can certainly end his China trade war. I expect an announcement from Trump of a huge break thru in trade negotiation, whether real or imaginary. The only question is when. Ideally, it should come in the primaries. However, if the market continues to nose dive and retail sales start slipping, it will come a lot sooner because this aging bull market is looking very tired.

We have a game of chicken here. On our side, we have the healthy guy with a sward and shield. On the other side, a sickly guy with a fork and a chair.

The US economy is as strong as China's is weak. We have the upper hand here, and can survive much longer than China. This effort may cost Americans, but we will go back to buying our own products instead of theirs, and that's good for the already great economy that we have.

dow off 1000 this past week farmers getting killed 401k's ira's getting murdered all hail the pos trump

 

[Flopper]

Its a little more complex than that. Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix, and Google, as well as Boeing have been in the news lately. The "trade war" with China has the markets spooked. Everything should get back to normal if Trump and Xi can work out a win-win deal.
The markets are pushing for the Fed to lower rates?!
The stock market is not for the nervous nellies...

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for rates to be lowered when the economy is running along as good as it is claimed to be by Trump.
And besides that, Trump himself is the one that has been whining for months that interest rates are too high.
Anyone with any sense knows that Trump is a con man when he boasts to the entire planet that the economy is, "the best ever" and in the next months worth of Tweets he is saying rates are too high.
UNFUCKING believable; at best ...............

Still difficult to believe such a fucking con artist got into The Oval Office ............ very dangerous ..........

1. Agree rates should not be lowered, the talking heads on TV keep whining for the Fed to lower rates.
2. The Fed should keep unwinding its balance sheet to get dry powder for the next crisis
3. Trump is allowed to brag on the economy, he's managing it better than any prior president, especially taking on China and insisting on fair trade deals all over.
4. Don't think he's a con artist, just a spoiled rich kid who had too much smoke blown up his ass his entire life. Now he thinks he's a financial genius. I'm hoping some of that Wharton classwork sunk in and he keeps the economy growing steadily without a massive bubble/bust ending.

If Trump can avoid it he is not going into the 2020 election cycle with a down market, slipping retail sales, and rising interest rates. He probably will not be able to dictate interest rates but he can certainly end his China trade war. I expect an announcement from Trump of a huge break thru in trade negotiation, whether real or imaginary. The only question is when. Ideally, it should come in the primaries. However, if the market continues to nose dive and retail sales start slipping, it will come a lot sooner because this aging bull market is looking very tired.

We have a game of chicken here. On our side, we have the healthy guy with a sward and shield. On the other side, a sickly guy with a fork and a chair.

The US economy is as strong as China's is weak. We have the upper hand here, and can survive much longer than China. This effort may cost Americans, but we will go back to buying our own products instead of theirs, and that's good for the already great economy that we have.

In a serious economic battle, the U.S. wins. There is no question about it. But this isn't just an economic fight, it's also political, and there’s a strong case that President Trump would be less able to sustain a protracted conflict than the Chinese, especially with the 2020 elections coming. Chinese President Xi Jinping runs a communist country that has granted him the ability to rule for life. He controls the media in his country and is also sitting on top of about $3 trillion in surplus cash.

All of this means Xi can react quickly to Trump. He can even aid Chinese companies that get hurt in the coming months and subsidize prices so Chinese consumers don't face massive sticker shock at the store. The Chinese used similar tactics during the global financial crisis of 2008 and 2009, spending heavily from their surplus reserves to stimulate their economy and insulate their people from pain and it worked quite well.

The chance of Trump sticking to these huge tariffs past the end of summer are about zero. Do you really think Trump is going be the Grinch that Stole Christmas? He's already under pressure from lot of republicans in congress as well as Wall Street.

The one thing that worry's me, is China's military. They have a huge voice in the Party but China's economic success has largely silenced them. However with China taking economic hits from the US, China's retaliation may not be just economic. The military has been pushing to increase China's influence to the South. As the US prepares for a military engagement with Iran, which has been a long term partner of China what better time for the Chinese military to make a move to the South and open up trade with Iran ignoring Trump's sanctions.