Zone1 Statue of Black Educator Replaces Confederate General in U.S. Capitol

[flacaltenn]

When I was in grade school my best friend's mom gave me a book on Mary McLeod Bethune. Even though it was a success story in many aspects it was too heavy for my heart and soon to be forgotten.

Image my surprise more than a decade later to find myself viewing with my own eyes the house where she lived up the street from Bethune-Cookman College in Daytona Beach, Florida where I ended up for college. I had apparently forgotten that the school she founded initially for girls was located in Daytona.

I wanted to post this in current events because is truly an historical event but some members here cannot be civil when left to their own devices so at least it stands a chance here in Zone 1 of the Race and Racism forum.
Statue of Black Educator Replaces Confederate General in U.S. Capitol

I grew up in Daytona Beach. Maybe you saw me playing guitar at the boardwalk with some friends. LOL, I looked like an Apache in those days.

It's a great story. And a good school. I had a chance to moonlight as a recruiter for a couple of Silcon Valley companies and looked into recruiting there to get a free trip home after recruiting at U of Fla. But in those days, there was no electronics or electrical engineering curriculum.

 

[flacaltenn]

The confederacy is not American history.

Must not be a student of history. You ignore history at your own peril.

"Those who cannot remember the past are bound to repeat it".
George Santayana

Same reason you cannot erase Hitler and Nazis from WW2.

ALTHOUGH -- The Taliban does an EXCELLENT JOB of removing history they do not like.



Dont be like the Taliban.

 

[flacaltenn]

They always forget that part of the confederacy. They had slavery written in the confederate constitution. Slavery was not going to end in 10 years. The Corwin Amendment passed the United States congress itself and that would have been a constitutional amendment protecting slavery.

How can you "forget that part of the Confederacy" if "the Confederacy is not history" --=-

 

[flacaltenn]

A statue of someone I've never heard of in the US Capitol sounds stupid to me, considering how many great Floridians are out there.

What's wrong with a statue of Tim Tebow or Rush Limbaugh?

How about President Trump?

As much as this Gator loves Tebow -- it just doesn't belong in D.C. LOTS of people on statues in Washington DC that people never heard of. That's a reason to GO THERE.

Too much marble is too radioactive anyways. Should be used in public places sparingly.

 

[IM2]

When are you and your fellow never-slaves going to march on Gettysburg and demand that the several hundred Confederate memorials and monuments located there be removed?

That's an honest question. You would think, at the very least, you and your ilk would be targeting the Virginia Monument:

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That'd be General Robert E. Lee on the horse, by the way.

Why not go after those?

Because, if you're not willing to do that, you're just whining...

How sbout you never confederates born 100 years after the war ended recognize the defeat and takeee down the statues of traitors?

 

[IM2]

How can you "forget that part of the Confederacy" if "the Confederacy is not history" --=-

I said the confederacy was not part of American history. It has its own history that ended when Lee surrendered. It should not be considered American history, it should not be celebrated, there should be no monuments built or honors given, and it should be pointed out that slavery was written in their constitution.

 

[flacaltenn]

I said the confederacy was not part of American history. It has its own history that ended when Lee surrendered. It should not be considered American history, it should not be celebrated, there should be no monuments built or honors given, and it should be pointed out that slavery was written in their constitution.

That's exactly WHY the Taliban was blowing up all the past history THEY found abhorrent. Like statues of Buddha or Christian Icons.

Funny all those Confederates became Americans in about a week. Why dont' you convince Bezos to build a resort at Gettyburg Battlefield so that no one can celebrate the war...

 

[BlueGin]

Why does George Floyd deserve a statue?

He doesn’t

 

[IM2]

so the rebels that fought the british during the revolutionary war should never be recognized as part of american history

And you really think this is a serious question.

 

[IM2]

That's exactly WHY the Taliban was blowing up all the past history THEY found abhorrent. Like statues of Buddha or Christian Icons.

Funny all those Confederates became Americans in about a week. Why dont' you convince Bezos to build a resort at Gettyburg Battlefield so that no one can celebrate the war...

The taliban has nothing to do with this. So why don't you follow your own rules and stop derailing a thread that's honoring a true American patriot, Mary McLeod Bethune.

And what does George Floyd have to do with this? Why is that post even still here? Seems like things like that get bypassed all the time. This thread isn't about what people claim about George Floyd. Its not about somebodys opinion of the poor downtrodden jew. Those comments should have been deleted.

Check the record. This lady is one of the greatest Americans to walk between the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans. She deserves this honor and this thread pointing her out does not deserve the idiocy that always invades threads created by blacks in this forum

 

[AZrailwhale]

I said the confederacy was not part of American history. It has its own history that ended when Lee surrendered. It should not be considered American history, it should not be celebrated, there should be no monuments built or honors given, and it should be pointed out that slavery was written in their constitution.

So I guess that you don’t think the Tories were Americans either since they fought for King and Country rather than the Continental Congress?
By trying to erase the Confederacy, you are opening the door to another secession a few decades down the road.

 

[IM2]

I'm pretty sure it was in every American History book I've ever read.

And so is WW2, but Nazi Germany was a separate country just like the confederacy.

 

[IM2]

So I guess that you don’t think the Tories were Americans either since they fought for King and Country rather than the Continental Congress?
By trying to erase the Confederacy, you are opening the door to another secession a few decades down the road.

Look, I get tired of whites like you and your threats. The confederacy formed its own country, had it's own constitution and it's own President. It was not America.

And what irony in your comments because you want to erase and deny the history of white abuses against people of color but claim that if we erase a symbol of the confederacy, that there will be another secession. And if there is, how are they going to defeat the U.S milit

 

[Polishprince]

How sbout you never confederates born 100 years after the war ended recognize the defeat and takeee down the statues of traitors?

Your heroes, Bill and Hillary, had a statue to rebel General Longstreet erected right here in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

Right on federal land, on Confederate Avenue in Gettysburg, and I don't remember you libs bitching and whining about the Fucking Clintons.

Monument to General James Longstreet at Gettysburg

Monument to Confederate Lieutenant General James Longstreet at Gettysburg, with photos, text from the monument and map location.

gettysburg.stonesentinels.com

 

[Lisa558]

And so is WW2, but Nazi Germany was a separate country just like the confederacy.

Nazi Germany WAS Germany. It wasn’t a separate country. And it’s part of Germany’s ugly history.

 

[Polishprince]

Nazi Germany WAS Germany. It wasn’t a separate country. And it’s part of Germany’s ugly history.

After the National Socialists were disposed of, Germany didn't really improve with the introduction of communism, Fuhrer Eric Honneker and the Stasi. Although they did pioneer the use of hormones and cheating in ladies' sports and laid the groundwork for swimmers like "Lia" Thomas.

 

[flacaltenn]

How sbout you never confederates born 100 years after the war ended recognize the defeat and takeee down the statues of traitors?

Probably would have been MORE important to purge EVERYTHING British after the Revolution. Because the British did not live here anymore. If you wanted Reconstruction to happen LESS aggressively than it DID -- you probably shouldn't mock the defeated.

Besides, most of those statues were put up in 30s thru 50s by GOOD OLE Southern DEMOCRATS. We should PURGE the name of THAT party for sure.

 

[IM2]

Must not be a student of history. You ignore history at your own peril.

"Those who cannot remember the past are bound to repeat it".
George Santayana

Same reason you cannot erase Hitler and Nazis from WW2.

ALTHOUGH -- The Taliban does an EXCELLENT JOB of removing history they do not like.



Dont be like the Taliban.

The taliban has nothing to do with this. Apparently you don't study history, because the confederate symbols started goong up lon after the war ended and it is part of the lost cause agenda that is steeped in ultimate white authority.

Where are the statues of Nat Turner? He was part of southern history.

Don't be like the taliban flacaltenn.

You are so full of excuses to justify things.

 

[flacaltenn]

The taliban has nothing to do with this. Apparently you don't study history, because the confederate symbols started goong up lon after the war ended and it is part of the lost cause agenda that is steeped in ultimate white authority.

Where are the statues of Nat Turner? He was part of southern history.

Don't be like the taliban flacaltenn.

You are so full of excuses to justify things.

How the US Got So Many Confederate Monuments | HISTORY

These commemorations tell a national story.

www.history.com

“Eventually they started to build [Confederate] monuments,” he says. “The vast majority of them were built between the 1890s and 1950s, which matches up exactly with the era of Jim Crow segregation.” According to the Southern Poverty Law Center’s research, the biggest spike was between 1900 and the 1920s.

In contrast to the earlier memorials that mourned dead soldiers, these monuments tended to glorify leaders of the Confederacy like General Robert E. Lee, former President of the Confederacy Jefferson Davis and General “Thomas Stonewall” Jackson.

Where are the statues of Nat Turner? He was part of southern history.

I KNOW his name is on THIS new one. MLK Sr foundation picked 10 names to go on this Emancipation statue in the former Confed Capitol.

Emancipation and Freedom Monument unveiled on Brown's Island in Richmond

The two twelve-foot bronze statues depict a man, woman, and child newly freed from slavery.

www.wtvr.com

BTW -- you refuted NOTHING that I previously posted. Especially the point about these Confed memorials being planned/blessed paid for by GOOD OLE Democrats.

Let's Taliban that name bro..

 

[Polishprince]

The taliban has nothing to do with this. Apparently you don't study history, because the confederate symbols started goong up lon after the war ended and it is part of the lost cause agenda that is steeped in ultimate white authority.

Where are the statues of Nat Turner? He was part of southern history.

Don't be like the taliban flacaltenn.

You are so full of excuses to justify things.

Mr. Turner's goal was to "kill all white people" , and that's a goal that a majority of Americans just don't support.