What the hell is the difference between outright not even having a primary, and having primaries where everyone knows the outcome long before the primaries? Seriously
2012 Democratic Party presidential primaries - Wikipedia
Did anyone think anyone other than Obama even had a chance at winning anything in 2012?
What a silly thread.
Or that anyone but Clinton in 2016 did. I recall watching one of the primaries -- I think it was Hawaii -- where Clinton had X number of delegates, before "voting" even started. Because "superdelegates".
I put "voting" in quotes because it's a bread and circus sham made to look like "participation".
That's the sham both parties have perpetrated on the American people. Okay it's their parties, they can run who they want, we don't have a right to vote in a primary, that's just a fact. But the sham comes in the form of the two parties have absolutely colluded to make it as hard as possible for anyone who isn't in on of their parties to win any election. Meaning A Hillary Clinton or a Donald Trump is going to be President even if the vast majority of Americans find them both to be morally repugnant.
AMEN to that. Duopoly is monopoly. I think of it as a puppet show with half the puppets in blue and the other half in red, and the drones are supposed to believe they're different things even though if they took the time to look UP they'd see both in the hands of the same puppeteer.
And the Duopoly's main machine to keep itself entrenched is the WTA Electrical College.
Gonna have to disagree there, the EC could be entirely done away with and nothing would change.
As we've seen with Trump, the President can easily be nullified by a handful of morons in Congress, that is where we need to see reform.
I'm not debating about Trump per se, I'm just saying a handful of Congress jack offs have been able to stop most of his agenda, even when it's things the American people clearly want, and even when it's things those jack offs themselves clearly supported in the past.
Those jack offs have convinced themselves that they know what's best for the rest of us, and they have created a system that keeps us fighting while they remain in power.
In a just society, people would look around and say "you've been in DC 20 fucking years and you can't really even name one thing you've done that has actually fixed anything you have labeled as a problem that entire time and thus you're out of here" regardless of party.
Here's why the EC is crucial to the Duopoly --- and note I said the WTA EC.
Ross Perot got close to 20% of the vote in '92, which translated to zero % of the vote.
"Nobody" took as much as 50% of the vote in my state in '16, yet Rump got 100% of the vote.
"WTA" stands for "winner take all", a perversion so heinous that James Madison, who championed the EC itself, advocated a new Amendment to ban WTA. Even though his own state would have suffered. He could see where it was going, even then.
WTA effectively makes any challenge to the Duopoly, impossible. Hordes of voters, no doubt the vast majority, wanted neither the Democrat nor the Republican in '16 but simply voted for one to block the other. Matter of fact that's true of most POTUS elections going back as far as memory serves. Without WTA that would never happen, because those non-Duopoly votes would actually count. There would even be a chance that at least one of the Duopoly would NOT finish first or second. That hasn't happened since 1912 and even then it only happened because the third party was a popular ex-POTUS (and it also let Wilson slip into office with less than 42% of the popular vote).
That's why the goal of any third party that seriously expects to finish, whether it's a Perot or a George Wallace or a John Anderson, is not to actually win the EC, but only to siphon off enough votes from "both" sides that neither of them pulls a majority of EC, which then throws the election to the House of Reps, where anything can happen. In other words they have to undermine the election itself. It's the only chance they have.
It also makes the vast majority of votes irrelevant, since everybody in a red state or a blue state is getting their vote tossed immediately in the trash can. They can vote with their state, against their state, for a third party or stay home and bake cookies, and all four produce the same result, with the exception that in the last case you at least get some cookies.
It's a major reason our voter turnout is abysmally low compared to the rest of the world, because for most people, what's the point.
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